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San Antonio is well rested. The "Big Fundamental" has a chance to go out on top like David Robinson did. San Antonio has been an amazing team over the last 10 years. Classy guy; should be fun to watch.
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(06-03-2013 10:14 PM)chyamor Wrote:  Mayweather reportedly bet $5.9 million on Game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals. Mayweather dropped the money on the Heat beating the Pacers Monday night at the AmericanAirlines Arena, according to the Twitter feed for pregame.com.

Not only is Mayweather convinced the Heat can win, he thinks they can win big! The Heat is an early seven-point favorites over the Indiana Pacers in Game 7 and Mayweather didn’t take the points, meaning if the Heat wins by six or fewer points, he loses.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/06/03/may...n-on-heat/

Needless to say, Floyd's going to collect a little bit of money tonight!

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How bout the HEAT... Bosh still sucked shooting wise but he was crashing the boards at least.
Cant wait for the Heat to beat the Spurs... I am expecting a tough series tho.

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(06-03-2013 10:37 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  How bout the HEAT... Bosh still sucked shooting wise but he was crashing the boards at least.
Cant wait for the Heat to beat the Spurs... I am expecting a tough series tho.

That's the key. There's always another way you can contribute. That's what I appreciated most about Lance Stephenson in this series - even in a game when he only scored two points, he grabbed 12 rebounds. That's 12 possessions for his team. He rebounded will in pretty much all the games he played in the playoffs. Bosh could have tried to do that in all the games when his offense wasn't clicking. He could have challenged Hibbert just so he could occupy him and make it easier for his teammates. With some players, their whole game falls apart if their offense isn't working. Bosh let himself get into a funk, and it was only the desperation of a Game 7 that snapped him out of it.

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(06-03-2013 09:29 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  
(06-03-2013 09:05 PM)CThunder86 Wrote:  I'm chalking this series up to home court advantage. Miami is not that much better than Indy.

If Wade and Bosh played with this same intensity the entire series Miami wins this easily in 6. Bosh is actually fighting for rebounds which he should have been doing the entire series, Wade is attacking the rim and getting rebounds which he should have been doing entire series too.

As I said previously, if the Miami Cavaliers showed up, Pacers had a legitimate shot, the Pacers are not better than the actual Miami Heat.

As Timoteo said, Wade and LeBron weren't even attacking Hibbert and they have this game and look at what's happening now.

Man...you said it for me. IF Miami played like this all series. When are the excuses going to stop for them? Wade cant keep that kind of effort game after game. Wade looked so bad in games 1-6. I mean...straight up putrid. You saw what happened in game 6 if Lebron has a human like game. They get blown out. Now they face a Spurs team.

I can't wait to see Wade guard Ginobli or Parker. Spurs in 6.

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^^ Wade has actually been decent defensively despite being completely garbage offensively. I think he will do well defensively against SA.

If he actually plays like he cares the Heat are very tough to beat. Miami playing like that wasn't an excuse. That was a fact. Wade and Bosh disappeared. Some of it had to do with Indiana's tough defense, some of it their injuries and a lot of it to do with their attitude and effort. Miami only showed up for two games in this series, 3 and 7.

Here are my picks: If Wade and Bosh disappear again, Spurs in 5. If the real Miami Heat show up, Heat in 7. Playoffs are all about matchups and SA is a really good team defensively but nowhere near the level of Indiana. Duncan will bother Miami but he isn't a pure post player anymore. He mixes it up and should be easier to guard for Bosh. Physically the Spurs are not that imposing and Miami will find it easier to deal with them.

SA also plays a similar style to Miami where they run and spread the floor with 3 point shooters. They start with two conventional bigs but also play a lot of smallball. Spo and Pop will be engaging in a chess match more than Spo and Vogel.

Steve Kerr said it best on a podcast with Bill Simmons recently. In 1993 the Bulls survived a very physical Knicks team in the Conference Finals and once they got out the Phoenix matchup was much easier and everybody was just relieved. I expect the same for Miami.
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Grangers spot in the rotation is no longer there, and he struggles mightily against the Heat as well. Wouldn't be surprised if he's traded tbh as he fell off badly last year. The East will definitely be much tougher for the Heat next season with an improved Pacers squad and Chicago at full health.

As far as next series Ginobili is finished and the Spurs aren't nearly as good rebounding offensively as Indiana is(they're actually 2nd worst in the league). The Pacers are also superior to the Spurs on D, so this is the series for Bosh and DWade to to get off more than they did last series. Couple this with the fact that the best part of Miami's defense is their pick and roll defense and its looking like the Heat in 6 for the Finals. I just don't see the Spurs being a tougher matchup than the Pacers for the Heat.
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How you guys think the spurs got a chance when they lost to the heat with the heat sitting 3 starters... I'll leave it at that with the Michael Jordan I mean Lebron James show starting soon.

Don't get me wrong Timmy is the best power forward in history, but he is nothing compared to indiana's inside game today.
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Tim Duncan statistically is just as good of a rebounder and a rim protector as Hibbert. Inside post presence? Timmy did a good job holding his own vs the most physical team this season. It was either Gasol or Randolph guarding him. So lets not get into a debate on who has the better inside game before we look at their respective opponents.
The matchups are not better for the Heat. No one will be able to guard Parker. We saw what he did to CP3 and Conley. The thought of Bosh guarding Duncan is laughable. Again...Gasol and Randolph couldn't do it, so what makes anyone think the Heat big men can. I'll give you the downgrades at the SM/PF positions.

My biggest point is Parker. Augustine (sry if I butchered his name) was the worst pg in the playoffs other than Chalmers. He couldn't get anyone any easy buckets. No one on the team could. Different story with Parker. More easy buckets vs The Heat.

As far as Wade...dude cares and is playing hard. It's his knee that is killing him. I'm not saying that he doesn't care it's just that he can't do it. Between Wade and Ginobli, who had a better conference finals? Wash.

Shit...would anyone here take D West over Kawhi L? I'm talking gun to your head.

I'll take SA help over Miami.

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(06-04-2013 12:52 AM)CThunder86 Wrote:  Tim Duncan statistically is just as good of a rebounder and a rim protector as Hibbert. Inside post presence? Timmy did a good job holding his own vs the most physical team this season. It was either Gasol or Randolph guarding him. So lets not get into a debate on who has the better inside game before we look at their respective opponents.

Tim Duncan is an excellent defender. No one is denying that but he is not the physical presence Hibbert is. That’s not hard to see. Randolph has never been a good defender and TD did hold his own against Gasol but Duncan wasn’t overpowering them in the post (it was more mid-range game and some post plays). A lot of Duncan’s game is now shooting mid-range jumpers. There isn’t a debate about who has the better inside game. Duncan has the advantage in the inside game along with Splitter but they are not as big as Indiana.

Tim Duncan and Bosh are about the same height. Bosh was giving up about 3-4 inches and 40lbs + to Hibbert.

(06-04-2013 12:52 AM)CThunder86 Wrote:  The matchups are not better for the Heat. No one will be able to guard Parker. We saw what he did to CP3 and Conley. The thought of Bosh guarding Duncan is laughable. Again...Gasol and Randolph couldn't do it, so what makes anyone think the Heat big men can. I'll give you the downgrades at the SM/PF positions.

The matchups are definitely better for Miami this series. The Spurs are not bigger at every position than Miami like Indiana was. Parker will be a challenge but Norris Cole is one of the quickest defenders in his position. Also, expect LeBron to switch onto Parker in the 4th and I will give advantage to LeBron in that. If you notice, Miami is also one of the best teams at doubling the P&R ball handler and I don’t think Parker will be able play like it is open season.
Bosh is actually a decent defender when he is not overmatched like he was against Hibbert. He did fine against Noah. Duncan is not a pure post player at this stage of his career. He cannot play 40 minutes in the post like Hibbert did. He spends time there but if he just camps there like Hibbert did it will kill the San Antonio offense.

The reason that I say that the matchups are better for Miami is because San Antonio actually plays a pretty similar style to the Heat. They start with two conventional bigs but also play a lot of “smallball”. One of their best lineups is Parker, Ginobili, Green, Leonard and Duncan/Splitter. They spread the floor with Leonard and Green and rely on Parker and Ginobili to create for others with their dribble penetration. If San Antonio just parks Duncan in the post those guards then cannot drive and dish and this kills their entire offensive scheme. For this very reason, Miami will be relieved to play the Spurs after playing the Pacers. They are going up against a team that does similar things.

(06-04-2013 12:52 AM)CThunder86 Wrote:  My biggest point is Parker. Augustine (sry if I butchered his name) was the worst pg in the playoffs other than Chalmers. He couldn't get anyone any easy buckets. No one on the team could. Different story with Parker. More easy buckets vs The Heat.

As I mentioned above, expect to see LeBron/Wade on Parker and also a lot of P&R blitzing. He will be a challenge for Miami but he is a challenge for any team really. You have to bother him with length and speed like Sefolosha did last year and shut him down. LeBron is perfect for that.

(06-04-2013 12:52 AM)CThunder86 Wrote:  As far as Wade...dude cares and is playing hard. It's his knee that is killing him. I'm not saying that he doesn't care it's just that he can't do it. Between Wade and Ginobli, who had a better conference finals? Wash.

Wade was not playing hard. He was playing with no energy and passion. Even David West said that he looked like he was playing with effort tonight. I get that he’s injured and its definitely worse than last year’s playoffs but he was not doing the small things that he was doing today as Timoteo mentioned in one of his posts.

(06-04-2013 12:52 AM)CThunder86 Wrote:  Shit...would anyone here take D West over Kawhi L? I'm talking gun to your head.

Two completely different players. West is a traditional 4 and Leonard is an athletic wing who plays as a stretch 4 when the Spurs go small. I don’t think Leonard is going to bother Miami as much as West did. West took Battier out of the series and he is a key bench component for Miami.

(06-04-2013 12:52 AM)CThunder86 Wrote:  I'll take SA help over Miami.
Spoelstra (sp) will not out coach Crater face.

I don’t blame you for that. The Spurs have a very good shot at winning especially if Wade and Bosh disappear again. I don’t think they will especially now that they are in the Finals and Wade and Bosh are not players who have histories of disappearing in the playoffs. They will play with more energy and do the small things.

I will also give you that Pop has the advantage in this series but as long a Spo doesn’t get thoroughly outcoached like he did against Rick Carlisle, Miami will be fine.

All in all this is a complete different series and I think Miami are slight favourites if they play like the regular season Miami Heat.

As a basketball fan these finals will be very entertaining. Two teams that play at a fast pace, are offensive juggernauts, plenty of stars, and very interesting storylines.
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Of course DUncan isn't overpowering the Grizzlies. Vice versa with Hibbert if they played him. I'm just saying that Duncan will dominate Bosh just as he has done to Pau Gasol/D Howard and M Gasol/Randolph combo.
As a team we've seen the Spurs beat three different styles of basketball on the way to the finals. We know it takes a dominate big man AND a dominate PG to beat the Heat. Seems like they have the pieces to do so.

Is this a 2-3-2 format??

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It's going to be a hell of a final. The 2 best teams in the league going at each other. Who could have asked for more? Being a long time Spur fan, I am confident in the boys getting the job done in 6 with Tony MVP!
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(06-04-2013 09:17 AM)CThunder86 Wrote:  Of course DUncan isn't overpowering the Grizzlies. Vice versa with Hibbert if they played him. I'm just saying that Duncan will dominate Bosh just as he has done to Pau Gasol/D Howard and M Gasol/Randolph combo.
As a team we've seen the Spurs beat three different styles of basketball on the way to the finals. We know it takes a dominate big man AND a dominate PG to beat the Heat. Seems like they have the pieces to do so.

Is this a 2-3-2 format??

Yes. The Finals use the 2-3-2. The teams with the home court advantage hate this format because it puts more pressure on you to win the first two games. If you split, you not only lose the advantage, but are at a disadvantage because you have to play 3 straight games, instead of just 2 like the other rounds, on the road.

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@Athlone: It's funny how times change. The first meme you posted would have never existed before last year's finals.
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Very good read from Zach Lowe (best NBA writer right now IMO) previewing the finals, the match-ups and other things to look for in the Heat-Spurs series.

NBA Finals Preview: The Big Questions About Small Ball



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(06-05-2013 07:17 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  Very good read from Zach Lowe (best NBA writer right now IMO)

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(06-05-2013 07:17 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  Very good read from Zach Lowe (best NBA writer right now IMO) previewing the finals, the match-ups and other things to look for in the Heat-Spurs series.

NBA Finals Preview: The Big Questions About Small Ball



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What do you guys think about Coach of the Year George Karl getting bounced from his job in Denver?

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(06-06-2013 11:56 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  What do you guys think about Coach of the Year George Karl getting bounced from his job in Denver?

All but one season in Denver, his teams got bounced out in the first round. The GM left for Toronto. They're in the midst of some changes, so it isn't all that shocking. He gets teams to a certain point, and can't get them beyond. What's odd is his teams are playing their best ball coming into the playoffs (on ESPN they posted a stat showing the team's record in the last 40 regular season games, and it's usually 30-something wins in the last 40), yet they keep getting bounced early. He's gotten Milwaukee to a conference final (against the Sixers in '01), and got the Sonics to a Final. He also coached a Sonics team that was the first 1 seed to lose to an 8 seed (to the Nuggets oddly enough in '94). He definitely gets teams to improve greatly, but his playoff results just aren't consistent enough. It's probably time for a new voice on the bench in Denver. Karl can also wear on players after a certain point.

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George is a good/great Coach. He get's a lot out of his talent but never seems to get over the hump. I'm sure he will have another job soon.
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(06-06-2013 01:02 PM)Clyde Wrote:  George is a good/great Coach. He get's a lot out of his talent but never seems to get over the hump. I'm sure he will have another job soon.

Oh he will. With job openings in Memphis, Brooklyn, and the L.A. Clippers. I'm sure he would be a good fit in Memphis.

It also seems like Coach had issues with management.

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This will be one of the most competitive and best finals series in awhile.. The spurs are better than the Pacers, and the Heat/Pacers went 7..
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This will be a long, interesting NBA Finals.

I predict the Spurs will win in 6 games(I won't be surprised if it goes 7). The Spurs have a great bench, great shooting, a better coach, and a very good frontline.

The Heat once again have to deal with a team with size and great rebounding. Although, the Spurs frontline isn't as physical as the Pacers frontiline, they will still pose a big problem for the Heat on the boards. The Spurs are also the first team the Heat have faced this postseason that has a great point guard that is able to penetrate and make open shots off the dribble. I don't think Mario Chalmers and Norris Cole will be able to deal with a now healthy Tony Parker over a 7 game series.

I'm also not convinced that D-Wade will be able to consistently play like he did in Gm7 vs the Pacers. He'll be able to give the Heat short spurts of great play, he may even crack 20-pts a couple times; but that won't be enough against the Spurs. As for Bosh, I think he'll play much better in this series since he's more of a finesse(soft) big man.

The Spurs simply have more advantages in their favor, and they don't make the same stupid mistakes the Pacers do(Gm1, LeBron wide open layup at the buzzer; Gm7, 9 turnovers in a quarter!). Plus, they are highly motivated to send Tim Duncan out on top with a 5th ring if he's seriously considered retiring soon.

With that said, I have a feeling the Heat will win Game 1 because they are coming off the momentum of a Game 7 win. BTW, I'm still shocked the Spurs swept the Grizz...who saw that coming?
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