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(06-07-2013 09:43 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  I don't know if you guys saw the poll that was taken about who would win the finals. Every single state but Florida voted San Antonio. I have this funny sports page on my facebook. The status just updated to.. "America has a 1-0 lead in the NBA finals over the Heat." I lol'd.

Lol this happens every series. After Chicago beat Miami in game 1 something like 60-65% of people were picking the Bulls on those Sportsnation ESPN polls.

I have a question for some of the older members who got to see other great teams play during the 80s and 90s. I often wonder if the 90s Bulls or the 1998-2004 Lakers would be as polarizing as this Heat team if they were playing in today's era of social media. I agree the not 2, not 3, not 4..... stupidity (along with The Decision) didn't help but there is said to be said something about social media and the 24/7 news cycle where everything is overreacted to. If this Heat team ends up wining another 2 or 3 titles (a big if), will they be revered like the Jordan Bulls and Shaq-Kobe Lakers 10-15 years from now?

In the past the stupid stuff that players did was not discussed immediately in media and not to the extent it is today in social media. For example, social media would blow up today if Magic announced he had HIV, Jordan punching Steve Kerr in the face, or Kobe's rape charges etc. They would definitely get a lot more 'hate', no?
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Game 1 = HOLY SHIT!!!

The Spurs really have a good chance!

Game 2 = I can't fucking wait!

I'm at my freinds house on the beach and we got ribs on the grill!

2.5 hours til tip off!!!

Enjoy
06-09-2013 04:13 PM
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(06-09-2013 04:13 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Game 1 = HOLY SHIT!!!

The Spurs really have a good chance!

Game 2 = I can't fucking wait!

I'm at my freinds house on the beach and we got ribs on the grill!

2.5 hours til tip off!!!

Enjoy

I got slow roasted Salmon, a big glass of red wine, and some mixed veggies and black beans.

THIS HEAT NEED TO REPRESENT!!!!!

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Long Sunday at work. Got off just in time for the game, can't wait!
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I'm just going to wait for the Spurs to close out the 4th.


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Spurs are choking with a lot of unforced turnovers, especially Manu.
06-09-2013 08:55 PM
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What a turnaround.
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Woah. That was a freakin tornado.
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Right from the start, Pop called it by saying his team didn't have a sense of urgency. They played like they were content with a split, which may be a HUGE mistake. Parker was off and the Manu was dribbling off his own leg out of bounds. They will probably shoot much better at home and play with more control. Miami deserved to win this one.
06-09-2013 09:20 PM
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And you notice that LeBron didn't play this game any differently than he played game 1. This game the Heat subs played better. LeBron passed, and they made the shots. Even I thought he needed to come out and be more aggressive offensively, but he didn't do that. He still counted on his teammates to step up. Tonight they did. I didn't think they'd be able to blow out the Spurs, but they just weren't clicking tonight. It really is difficult to maintain the same intensity from game to game.

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More proof why Bron is the most versatile weapon on the game. Hell of a move by Spoels to have him be more of a screener on the pick and roll situations and put the defense in flux. The spurs definitely don't want to switch on that so it's leaves good room for the shooters. I'm still thinking Heat in 6. Miamis got so many shooters that someone is bound to be on on any given night and they are a solid road team. Gino has got to step up for the Spurs.

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(06-09-2013 10:12 PM)iWin Wrote:  More proof why Bron is the most versatile weapon on the game. Hell of a move by Spoels to have him be more of a screener on the pick and roll situations and put the defense in flux. The spurs definitely don't want to switch on that so it's leaves good room for the shooters. I'm still thinking Heat in 6. Miamis got so many shooters that someone is bound to be on on any given night and they are a solid road team. Gino has got to step up for the Spurs.

The pick where LeBron blew up Tony Parker was 100% legal. He was firmly planted, and had his elbows in. LeBron is so solid, that Parker bounced off him. He ran into it blind because one of his mates didn't call out the screen. That was probably the only glaring bad call the refs made tonight.

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(06-09-2013 10:21 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  
(06-09-2013 10:12 PM)iWin Wrote:  More proof why Bron is the most versatile weapon on the game. Hell of a move by Spoels to have him be more of a screener on the pick and roll situations and put the defense in flux. The spurs definitely don't want to switch on that so it's leaves good room for the shooters. I'm still thinking Heat in 6. Miamis got so many shooters that someone is bound to be on on any given night and they are a solid road team. Gino has got to step up for the Spurs.

The pick where LeBron blew up Tony Parker was 100% legal. He was firmly planted, and had his elbows in. LeBron is so solid, that Parker bounced off him. He ran into it blind because one of his mates didn't call out the screen. That was probably the only glaring bad call the refs made tonight.

Yeah,the games have flowed pretty well so far *knock on wood*.
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LeBlock James!
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The Spurs getting one on the road is huge. Next three games are on home turf for them and they play damn well at home. It's hard to go 2-0 in the finals.
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When the heat fire on all cylinders like they started to in the second half I think they are damn near impossible to beat.

Bosh is playing mildly better but considering he is being paid as much as Lebron and D wade he should be playing a whole lot better.

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Did the Heat win it or did the Spurs lose it..?

I feel like the Spurs gave the game away with too many turnovers. Also, Duncan was not as agressive in the post. Like Pop and others have said, they didn't have the same "sense of urgency".

Ginobili was too excited and could barely control his own body. I blame him the most. He is an X factor.

Lebron was not that agressive but I think he knows what he is doing. He is aware of the score and the situation. He let Wade and Bosh make some plays, he passed out to his shooters. People say he needs to be more agressive but I think he will be more agressive when he needs to be.

I also watched a few old Micheal Jordan games last night. His will to win, fundamentals, and fighting spirit was clearly superior to Lebrons and Kobes. Mike was on a completely higher level of competitivesness. These guys WANT it, Micheal NEEDED it! Micheal had to have it. It was almost like he was obsessed with winning.

I'm studying the triangle offense right now. That shit is pretty futuristic. It was an evolutionary step for the game. The 80's were about power and skill. Phil Jackson and Tex Winter designed the triangle to outsmart and outthink people. More of a combination of power, skill, and brains.

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Tons of interesting insight from Phil.

We watch the Finals live, then we watch the press conferesnce, then we watch old tape Bulls.

We also watch some games from the 80s, those guys played harder then the guys nowadays. The 88-90 Pistons played harder and tougher then any team I have ever seen.
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Funny this is, if Miami wins the next game, especially if convincingly ... the TV ratings will take a major plunge.
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These are turning out to be a weird Finals in terms of scoring stats after the first two games. The top 4 scorers after the first two games are: James (17.5), Parker (17.0), Duncan/Green (14.5), and Wade/Chalmers (13.5).

Could these be the first ever Finals where no player averages 20 points a game? I wouldn't be surprised if the teams keep on playing the same way. This could give a whole new meaning to playing a team game and getting everybody involved.
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(06-10-2013 02:38 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  We also watch some games from the 80s, those guys played harder then the guys nowadays. The 88-90 Pistons played harder and tougher then any team I have ever seen.

Remember, the league was more physical. Magic hit Isiah with a flying forearm to the head in the NBA Finals, and there was no such thing as a flagrant foul. You dusted yourself off and took your two free throws. Teams were harder and tougher because that kind of play was allowed, and in the playoffs there was an understanding that there would be no easy layups. Fighting would get you ejected, but you didn't get suspended. Stern wanted to eliminate thug ball, so he put in rules to eliminated the physical play. Teams/players are a reflection of the new way the game is played. I don't think players or teams aren't playing as hard - the game is just different.

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@Timoteo That's a perspective I hadn't considered and I think it may be a good ancillary explanation of why the game of today is the way it is. Often times when people lament that stars are too friendly or don't hate each other it is blamed on the AAU circuit culture and the fact that guys are growing up together and becoming good friends while playing summer ball.

What was once lauded as physical play is tantamount to thuggery today in the media, while doing things like helping up your opponent is praised today, but would be frowned upon back in the day. For example, when Marc Gasol helped up Tony Parker he got praised for it last series for being a good sport. Rewind to the 50s and 60s, Red Auerbach was instructing his bigs to put guards on their ass if they dared to venture into the paint. Guys like Charles Oakley made entire careers from being goons, but no way that would fly today. With those free for all rules back in the day it would be really tough for a guy like Tony Parket to lead the league in points in the paint.
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(06-10-2013 09:12 PM)iWin Wrote:  @Timoteo That's a perspective I hadn't considered and I think it may be a good ancillary explanation of why the game of today is the way it is. Often times when people lament that stars are too friendly or don't hate each other it is blamed on the AAU circuit culture and the fact that guys are growing up together and becoming good friends while playing summer ball.

What was once lauded as physical play is tantamount to thuggery today in the media, while doing things like helping up your opponent is praised today, but would be frowned upon back in the day. For example, when Marc Gasol helped up Tony Parker he got praised for it last series for being a good sport. Rewind to the 50s and 60s, Red Auerbach was instructing his bigs to put guards on their ass if they dared to venture into the paint. Guys like Charles Oakley made entire careers from being goons, but no way that would fly today. With those free for all rules back in the day it would be really tough for a guy like Tony Parket to lead the league in points in the paint.

The fraternization thing has spread through all professional sports. Kevin Garnett is pretty much the only player I can think of that's hard and fast against socializing and being buddy-buddy with players that aren't on his team. Part of it is the rules change against physical play, and another part of it is that players move from team to team more now also. Players recruit other guys to play with them. In a different era, players rarely became free agents, so teams stayed together longer and formed tighter bonds. You really grew to hate your rivals. Rosters didn't change, so you were facing the same dudes year after year. The rosters of the Celtics, didn't change, so the Pistons had to see them year after year and had to figure out a way to beat them. The Pistons stayed the same, so the Bulls had to keep facing the same guys until they got by them. Now, NBA players party together in the off-season, and also are neighbors in some cases. The Isleworth gated community in Orlando is home to athletes in golf, MLB, NBA and NFL players. The AAU thing is part of it, as well as players coming into the league younger overall. There was a time when rivalries started in college, and spread to the NBA (Magic/Bird was probably the last of those). Now, at most, top players are in college a year at most.

I remember the 1977 NBA Final between Philly and Portland. Darryl Dawkins of the Sixers and Maurice Lucas squared off in a full fledged fist fight. It was also in '77 that Kermit Washington (renowned enforcer) of the Lakers destroyed Rudy Tomjanovich's face with a punch during a fight between the Lakers and Rockets. Lucas was also a known enforcer, and Dawkins wasn't afraid to mix it up. Dawkins' brothers came out of the stands and tried to get in on it too. It was the wild west back then - players were allowed to wear gold chains on the court. Xavier McDaniel was also a known tough guy. He and Charles Oakley squared off in a great fight at Madison Square Garden that spilled into front row under the basket. Teams often had an enforcer on the bench, and his only job was to give fouls. The last straw for Stern was PJ Brown (Heat) and Charlie Ward (Knicks) scuffling in the '97 playoffs - that was the first time players got suspended for leaving the bench I think, and it cost the Knicks the series. We ALL remember the Alonzo Mourning/Larry Johnson scrap in the '98 playoffs that ended with Jeff Van Gundy dangling from Mourning's leg when he was trying to break up the fight. Stern worked hard to get that out of the game.

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Couldn't post earlier on game 2, but wow, what the hell happened between the end of the 3rd and beginning of the 4th quarter in that game? Holly shit! 30-5 run! The Spurs doing everything wrong, missing every shot, even the easy lay ups while the Heat are on fire, hitting everything! I know that Pop likes to allow his team to play, but there were a few times I screamed time out during that horrible run! All in all, despite getting a split in Miami is a great result, in light of the match till the last 3 minutes of the 3rd quarter where the Spurs were leading by 1, I thought SA could have won game 2 as well.

Now 3 games at home. One game at a time, each a game 7 where no blackout will be allowed nor tolerated if not, it'll be over.

That block that Lebron did on Splitter dunking in the 4th quarter was absolutely mind blowing! Well done Miami for the win!

It's going to be a super exciting series and I can't wait for those remaining 3 games in SA! I'm optimistic about the Spurs' chances!
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Nice analysis Timoteo! I agree that the game was much more physical and harder in the past than it is now. Do you guys see a parallel between how basketball is being pussified as a reflection of the overall society specially in North America? Where being macho, a manly man has been slowly frowned upon to almost being made illegal with the laws of the game being made to make things "nicer and cleaner and less offensive". Exactly the same as the society has been going with all this PC crap that has been plaguing the social world. Very sad indeed!
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