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(06-21-2014 03:24 AM)kosko Wrote:  Miami is aggressively going after Lowry. As a Raps fan that worries me but in confident Ujiri has the right words to keep Kyle here.

I'm hoping his Alpha-pride keeps him up north, but at the same time I always worry about players who have had career years on the verge of becoming a FA. I think he is easily capable of being a top-5 PG so long as he sticks around. Raptors have a solid core and a pretty stacked starting five.

There are only 5 1/2 days left until the draft. Anyone have their eye on a particular player for their team? I think the Raptors need another solid wing who can come off the bench and fit the 3-and-D trend that teams seem to be salivating over in this new day of analytics.

That said, at 20 I think Toronto's best bet is a back-up PG who could also step up if Lowry leaves. Napier and Ennis might be available at that point, and although Ennis is home grown I'd rather have Napier and his experience.

At 37 there is a glut of semi-solid wing players and someone like DeAndre Daniels might be worth a look, especially if Napier is the pick. 59 is a crap shoot but Isaiah Austin would be my pick if he is available. He would have to pretty quickly start busting his ass to sniff playing time, which would probably be good for him since he was pretty much guaranteed minutes regardless of his effort.

As for the top of the draft I feel bad for Embiid, lost out on millions just a few days before he would have been picked 1 and got a guaranteed $4.2 million. Looks like Wiggins is the pick now, and the Sixers are desperately trying to jump to 1 and grab him. Parker is not a bad consolation prize for the Bucks, but it will be tough going for them with the Greek Freak pencilled in at the PF for the future. Embiid probably still goes to the Cavs, just this time at 3. I'd pick Smart over Exum every day, as the latter's previous competition level is severely lacking.

It'll be interesting to see who goes first between Randle and Gordon, but I think Randle can help a team faster, while Gordon has some Blake Griffin freakishness in him, but holy his shot mechanics are awful. Vonleh on the other hand is probably going to be better than both of them, but if you need a PF and you're in the top 8 you have to be happy regardless.

9-14 is a shooter's haven with Stauskas, McDermott, Harris(not nearly as good as the other 3) and Hood in the mix, and also the best athlete outside of Wiggins in LaVine. Saric seems like an intense player, and getting in with the Bobcats would be good for him, but I've heard if he doesn't get selected by Boston or LA he won't be coming over for this upcoming season. This would worry me if I was a small market GM.

TL;DR version: Should be a good draft.
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I'm a Sixers fan, was looking all set for us to nab Wiggins with Embiid a near lock to go to the Cavs and the Bucks favouring Jabari. I started to get my hopes up...and bam this stress fracture bullshit hits.

I still think the Hinkster can find a way to deliver big like he last year with the Holiday trade. This draft is going to be crazy.

Just curious do we have any Cavs or Bucks fans about? What's the talk from your end?
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Lakers would get Klay Thompson in rumored Kevin Love trade

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The Los Angeles Lakers are in discussions with the Golden State Warriors to attain Klay Thompson for the No. 7 pick in the 2014 NBA Draft, according to Mike Bresnahan of the LA Times. That deal would be a part of a larger, three-way trade with the Minnesota Timberwolves that sends Kevin Love to Golden State.
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What do you guys think about David Stockton? I would like to see him get drafted. People are saying he's too small, but he's same size as his dad, and his dad is a hall of famer now. John Stockton was one of my favorite player and it would be cool to see his son play in the NBA.
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(06-22-2014 07:49 AM)JayMillz Wrote:  Gotta Luv Heat Fans




mmmm cari champion. wb.

but some of those players are hard to recognize. the eddie jones pic is dark, so it's hard to see his face. Tim hardaway and pj brown they should recognize tho.
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Little late, but so happy the Spurs pulled it off, I hit big on that finals series price, really made up for an otherwise shitty year of NBA betting.

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(06-22-2014 12:40 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:  
(06-22-2014 07:49 AM)JayMillz Wrote:  Gotta Luv Heat Fans




mmmm cari champion. wb.

but some of those players are hard to recognize. the eddie jones pic is dark, so it's hard to see his face. Tim hardaway and pj brown they should recognize tho.

Their names are in the cards tho ... -_-

Eddie Jones was meant to throw people off as Bron since it's #6 and still people still could barley get that. Hardaway is on the Heat amount Rushmore with Zo and Wade. Anybody whom was alive in the 90's and watched ball would know whom he is.

Miami is 95% fake fans.
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Florida fans in general are fake. Not saying real fans arent there but saying they dont support their teams. And Beckham is thinking of bringing a MLS team to MIA. Does he really think Miami can support a team? The Heat didnt sellout games during their 06 playoff run.

To Florida players, is it the ownership, fanbase is poor, or the people are just indifferent to sports?

I know the Rays have a shitty stadium location, the Marlins owner is suppose to be a dumbass, and the Jags are just the Jags. The only real city is Orlando. I know alot of diehard Magic fans.

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Belize King, I think Central Florida have more genuine fans. I've interacted with people here and seen much loyalty. I even know cats here that support Orlando (even though Orlando bites right now).

Miami is a fake city in more than just sports and anyone who denies that is playing themselves.

99 percent of them are bandwagoners. Remember that it is a largely immigrant city and no representation of America in any means. From this, I didn't really get any sense of loyalty etc.

This is why Lil Wayne was able to say 'Fcuk Miami' when he got thrown out and not incur negative repercussions. If he tried that in New York, Detroit or Philly, he may have got taken out in a prostrate fashion.
He was able to say this because Miami doesn't have enough loyalty to hold it down for the '305'.

When I stayed down there, I went out and got a chance to gauge the pulse of the city. Miami didn't even support their homegrown artist Pitbull who is a Cuban American..which represents the bulk of the population there.

If they can't support someone who is from their own parent country, what will they do with other structures?

Miami only rides your dyck when you are on top but they don't support you on the way up. That's why Miami doesn't even remember key cats like Tim Hardaway (who is HOF candidate, si?) or Rony Seikaly, who is the first Lebanese cat to play in the NBA.

I've heard from others who reside in Miami that you can't really even start a business there and expect to profit off of the locals due to the lack of loyalty.

So this failure of locals to even know the obvious players strikes me as no surprise. Of course, those who have only visited Miami for South Beach and brief excursions with beautiful Latina lizards will NOT know this and get taken in by the surf, sun and tits.

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Come on Moma, Pitbull sucks and is a sellout. Nobody support him in Florida. Plies and Rick Ross sucks too.
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(06-23-2014 07:51 AM)JoyStick Wrote:  Come on Moma, Pitbull sucks and is a sellout. Nobody support him in Florida. Plies and Rick Ross sucks too.

Most artists suck. But it's about hometown support..you ride with your guys whether high or low.

Master P and his crew sucked but New Orleans rode with those cats hard. You don't get that type of support with Miami.

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(06-23-2014 06:46 AM)Moma Wrote:  Belize King, I think Central Florida have more genuine fans. I've interacted with people here and seen much loyalty. I even know cats here that support Orlando (even though Orlando bites right now).

Miami is a fake city in more than just sports and anyone who denies that is playing themselves.

99 percent of them are bandwagoners. Remember that it is a largely immigrant city and no representation of America in any means. From this, I didn't really get any sense of loyalty etc.

This is why Lil Wayne was able to say 'Fcuk Miami' when he got thrown out and not incur negative repercussions. If he tried that in New York, Detroit or Philly, he may have got taken out in a prostrate fashion.
He was able to say this because Miami doesn't have enough loyalty to hold it down for the '305'.

When I stayed down there, I went out and got a chance to gauge the pulse of the city. Miami didn't even support their homegrown artist Pitbull who is a Cuban American..which represents the bulk of the population there.

If they can't support someone who is from their own parent country, what will they do with other structures?

Miami only rides your dyck when you are on top but they don't support you on the way up. That's why Miami doesn't even remember key cats like Tim Hardaway (who is HOF candidate, si?) or Rony Seikaly, who is the first Lebanese cat to play in the NBA.

I've heard from others who reside in Miami that you can't really even start a business there and expect to profit off of the locals due to the lack of loyalty.

So this failure of locals to even know the obvious players strikes me as no surprise. Of course, those who have only visited Miami for South Beach and brief excursions with beautiful Latina lizards will NOT know this and get taken in by the surf, sun and tits.



I disagree with you. So Immigrants are not "representative" of America? Did you know that the majority of the people in Miami are actually Americans of Cuban descent right? That's right Americans. So because they are of Cuban descent they are somehow not representative of America to you?


Also the whole Pitbull thing is irrelevant. I know many Cuban Americans who love Pitbull and at the same time I know many who hate him, but the same can be said of any artist. For instance Kanye West is from Chicago, which is where I'm from and to be honest with you I think he sucks and I know many people in Chicago who also hate him and who love him, that's just how it goes.

Miami is just not a basketball city just like how Los Angeles is not a Football city.

IMO is not that Miami fans are "bandwagonners" its just that they don't want to go and pay their hard earned money on a team that sucks and loses all the time, they are actually smarter than the rest. That is why Pat Riley got Lebron James and Chris Bosh to go to Miami so they can fill the stadium up. Miami's fans lack of "loyalty" is what got them King James. I think its way much better than here in Chicago where people ride and die with their teams and fill stadiums no matter if they lose or win. Why do anything for the franchise since Chicago fans are still going to go to the stadiums even if they have losing seasons. (Hopefully the Bulls get Carmelo) but even if they don't, Bulls fans will still continue to fill the United Center regardless. Same with the Cubs.


In regards to what Lil Wayne said, Who really cares. Maybe the people in Miami could care less about what some lame rapper says about their city. Their lives are much more meaningful then to get all butthurt over what Lil Wayne says. Do people really get butthurt if a rapper says their city sucks??? Really? That's laughable.

I love the people of Miami because they can give two shits of what people think of them. If the Miami Heat are good then they will go to the stadium, if they start to lose then they won't go, what's wrong with that?
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Cities who dont support their team when they are on top or on the bottom shouod have a team in the first place. There are some teams that are on hard times so it is understandable in regards to their attendance (Kings, Celtics, Orlando) but as long as the support is there. If Miami didnt have James, they wouodnt hit 10k in fans. Atlanta is another shitty fanbase. The Hawks have made the playoffs there last 3-5 seasons and rarely sellout their playoff games. The team sucks but still.

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(06-23-2014 09:29 AM)MidWest Wrote:  I disagree with you. So Immigrants are not "representative" of America? Did you know that the majority of the people in Miami are actually Americans of Cuban descent right? That's right Americans. So because they are of Cuban descent they are somehow not representative of America to you?


Also the whole Pitbull thing is irrelevant. I know many Cuban Americans who love Pitbull and at the same time I know many who hate him, but the same can be said of any artist. For instance Kanye West is from Chicago, which is where I'm from and to be honest with you I think he sucks and I know many people in Chicago who also hate him and who love him, that's just how it goes.

Miami is just not a basketball city just like how Los Angeles is not a Football city.

IMO is not that Miami fans are "bandwagonners" its just that they don't want to go and pay their hard earned money on a team that sucks and loses all the time, they are actually smarter than the rest. That is why Pat Riley got Lebron James and Chris Bosh to go to Miami so they can fill the stadium up. Miami's fans lack of "loyalty" is what got them King James. I think its way much better than here in Chicago where people ride and die with their teams and fill stadiums no matter if they lose or win. Why do anything for the franchise since Chicago fans are still going to go to the stadiums even if they have losing seasons. (Hopefully the Bulls get Carmelo) but even if they don't, Bulls fans will still continue to fill the United Center regardless. Same with the Cubs.


In regards to what Lil Wayne said, Who really cares. Maybe the people in Miami could care less about what some lame rapper says about their city. Their lives are much more meaningful then to get all butthurt over what Lil Wayne says. Do people really get butthurt if a rapper says their city sucks??? Really? That's laughable.

I love the people of Miami because they can give two shits of what people think of them. If the Miami Heat are good then they will go to the stadium, if they start to lose then they won't go, what's wrong with that?

Bro, I lived in Miami and I have family there so I speak from a ground level..are you talking from an outsider perspective? Miami cats are fake and disloyal..this is a FACT.

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Atlanta has been rated the worst pro sports town in America. They give zero fucks about any of their teams consistently. The Falcons even at the heights of Ryan AND Vick still didn't sell out each and every game. All the transient cities in the south are similar. Phoenix is another, except for the SUNS whom due to thief long history and being the only game in town have a loyal and smart fanbase. Sac town is another as is Oakland (moving to SF will kill the Warriors vibes. They will turn into a money team like BK Nets with fake ass fans).
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(06-23-2014 09:37 AM)Belize King Wrote:  If Miami didnt have James, they wouodnt hit 10k in fans. Atlanta is another shitty fanbase.

Don't have a dog in this fight as I don't really care about this argument but that's not true at all. Miami was consistently in the top half of the league in attendance in the post-Shaq era including the 15-67 season. Now with James and Bosh they are obviously in the top 5 but throughout the 2000s (before and after Shaq) they have been top 15.
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One problem I've found about Florida (mainland FL, not just MIA), is that most of the people are first generation Floridians. People come to FL in order to escape whatever shit town they were in before, whether its the midwest, they hated the cold, or they got bored of the south. There are few families that stay here for generation and generation. It's not that kind of place.
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Remind me again, why do we care so much about how loyal/dedicated or not a city's denizens are in rooting for laundry?




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(06-23-2014 07:13 PM)kosko Wrote:  Atlanta has been rated the worst pro sports town in America. They give zero fucks about any of their teams consistently. The Falcons even at the heights of Ryan AND Vick still didn't sell out each and every game. All the transient cities in the south are similar. Phoenix is another, except for the SUNS whom due to thief long history and being the only game in town have a loyal and smart fanbase. Sac town is another as is Oakland (moving to SF will kill the Warriors vibes. They will turn into a money team like BK Nets with fake ass fans).

Cool city, but ATL does suck with regards to professional sports. UGA is really the "big pro" sports team there. Many of the people there are transplants from the Deep South apathetic about pro sports or other metropolitan areas across the US already tied down to teams in their hometowns.

Big cities in the "Deep South" (Not Texas bc it belongs in it's own territory) such as Charlotte, New Orleans, Atlanta, etc have much stronger NCAA fanbases opposed to pro sports. The big Texas cities however such as San Antonio, Houston, and DFW are a bit more balanced in that they love their collegiate teams & pro sports just as much too.

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I am quite late with this one (book was published in 2010 I think), but for every NBA fan I really highly reccomend "The Book of Basketball" by Bill Simmons (The ESPN "Sports Guy").

One of the most interesting stories (from RVF perspective at least) is when Simmons with his friends was sitting close to Michaael Jordan and Charles Oakley playing cards with their friends during ASG 2006 in Houston. It had to be funny to see Jordan and his Alphaness dominating environment there in the exactly same way like he did on the court. But then his wife Juanita arrived and:

Quote:Everyone makes room for her. She sits down right next to him. Poor MJ looks like somebody who took a no-hitter into ninth, then gave up a triple off the field wall. The trash-talking stops. He slumps in his seat like a little kid. The cigar goes out. No more hangin' with the boys. Time to be a husband again. Watching the whole thing unfold, I lean over to Sully and say "Look at that, he's just like us".
And he is. Just your average guy getting derailed by his wife. For once in my life, I don't want to be like Mike

And this made me thinking about Bill Simmons game (from Dwight Howard presentation in Pyramid section):

Quote:Big guys are like women - they need affection, they need to be stroked every so often and if you ignore them, they start resenting you
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why do we give a shit who has better fans?

in my opinion fandom is supreme beta-tude, along with supreme stupidity. We should watch a sport for its actual, merit-based criteria ie. how the players and teams play. Why root ie. pay for an organization ie. corporation just because they happen to be where you live? That seems like the least well thought out attitude to have. I mean, should Atlantans by coca cola all the time just because it is a hometown corporation?

The attitude sports watchers should have is "what have you done for me lately." That rewards merit, performance, and improvement. The opposite behavior begets you the knicks.
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Seriously no one has posted that James opted out of his contract?

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