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All these shitty two year deals with player options. I know the teams love the flexibility it gives them with the cap but this is all crappy from a strategy stand point in building your team. I assumed Pierce would be a Clipper right now, it made sense, but I guess not. Wizards overachieved last year, it will be a first round bounce for them next year guaranteed.
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Always wondered what happened to this dude? http://player.theplatform.com/p/9KPFDC/w...?form=html
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The articles on melo resigning to the Knicks how he says he's a knick at heart shows that he is full of BS. He never won in Denver nor will he in New York. Granted he is one of the top players in the league, I would not want him.
Players who don't test free agency and who take salary cuts to help improve their teams (Duncan, Nowitzki) have credentials to be able to say they are true to their teams.

I would rather place my money on a team led by Duncan or anyone like him than someone fake and phoney like melo. I don't knock him for taking the max salary, but I do knock him for saying that. Phil Jackson IMHO wrong move.
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The two year deals are because of the upcoming TV deal where player salaries are expected to increase along with the league revenue.
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Tom Thibadeu is disappointed Melo chose the money. According to many the Bulls are motivated even more that Melo chose New York as in to say "ok, watch us win the east without you" sort of speak.

Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau disappointed Bulls didn't land Melo

Quote:LAS VEGAS -- It's the middle of July and Tom Thibodeau is already in midseason form.

The Chicago Bulls coach spent a few minutes with the media before his team's opener in the Las Vegas Summer League, and it was like talking to him before a regular-season game in Milwaukee in March.

The basketball lifer was obviously disappointed by the fact that Carmelo Anthony decided to stay with the New York Knicks -- Thibodeau and the Bulls invested a lot of time and effort into their recruiting pitch to Anthony -- but he didn't show his frustration. He didn't even mention Anthony by name.


"At this time of the year, [executive VP of basketball operations] John [Paxson] and [general manager] Gar [Forman] have talked to a number of players," Thibodeau said. "You make your presentation, we think we have a lot to offer. We feel we have some good options, and we're looking forward to the challenge of next year."

That's as deep as Thibodeau will go. Anybody who has followed the Bulls over the past four seasons knows to read the tea leaves with the veteran coach, though. His refrain will always remain the same: Whether Anthony landed in Chicago or not, Thibodeau was always going to be of the belief that the Bulls have more than enough to win. It's a mantra that has defined his coaching career and his tenure with the Bulls.

But there's no doubt Thibodeau will motivate his players next season by reminding them that, in the end, Anthony spurned Chicago. Anthony turned his back on Thibodeau and what was widely believed to be the best situation to win a title right away. Even if Thibodeau understands how much Anthony fought with the decision and how much money he would have left on the table, Thibodeau will use Anthony's choice as yet another motivational ploy in firing up his team. He thrives on the "us against the world" mentality and will remember that in the future when the Bulls face the Knicks.

On top of Thibodeau's frustration with the Anthony news, Thibodeau also made a point to stand behind his players, as he always does. When asked how he thought his current players did in the recruiting process, Thibodeau offered praise.

"They did a great job," he said. "And that's the way it is today in the NBA. The players, they all know each other. They're all going to be talking to each other. And then everyone has to do what's best for themselves. This time of the year, some players change teams, and some players don't. We're looking forward to it."

Thibodeau tried to focus on the challenge of the new season instead of the fact that several members of the organization were upset that star Derrick Rose did not seem as engaged in luring Anthony to town as he could have been. That is one of the main reasons Thibodeau's players still respect him so much. If he wants to talk to a player privately, he will, but he rarely airs anything out in the media, especially with Rose. Like so many of his characteristics, that was on full display again Saturday.

As was the fact that the 56-year-old doesn't care much for the hype machine that comes with free agency. He'd rather just get his players together and start playing.

"This is what the NBA has become," Thibodeau said of this summer's free-agency hoopla. "There's the buildup once the playoffs are over, then there's the buildup for the draft, then the next phase is free agency. I think it's exciting for everyone. Everyone looks at all the possibilities. Everyone is trying to improve their team, so it makes it interesting. But the important thing is that you also have to look at the guys that you do have."

Thibodeau did that again Saturday night in the desert. He wasn't happy about the fact he wouldn't get to coach Anthony, but, as usual, that didn't mean he had lost confidence in the Bulls' ability to win this season.


Bet your ass that Noah has New York marked down on his calendar this upcoming season.
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(07-13-2014 02:21 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  Paul Pierce...to the Wizards.

Not making that up.

ha ha but yeah they were not bad last year and made it to the 2nd round and played tough. Wall is getting better every year and that Polish dude is legit. And if you listed to the DC sports talk radio they are talking them up like they are headed to the finals in a couple years.

I'm glad 'melo stayed with the Knicks now they can suck a couple more years. He's never won anything in the NBA and I don't think ever will. If Rose is even at 85% this year Chicago will be really tough, Gasol will help out just not sure how yet.....

I'm getting pumped up for the NBA already and I usually could care less until the playoffs, but so much intrigue this offseason. Love LeBron going back to Cleveland that town is going to be going nuts if the Cavs or Browns start doing well.

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Think we ALL get hype this time of year, the offseason comes down to strategy and finding guys that fit your "culture" as a team

LBJ did a great job of tempering expectations: Buys them some time to gel, and if they do better than expected, they are "ahead of schedule" and he looks like his mentoring is paying immediate dividends.

As the saying goes in business "Underpromise and Overdeliver"

When guys like LBJ change teams, it is a seismic event for the league, notice after he made his choice all the rest of the domino's started to fall.

All roads still lead through SA, OKC in the West, and Chicago, Indiana in the East. The teams with the most consistent established cores.

LBJ's move just added more parity to the East

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LBJ talked about how he wants to be a role model to kids in Cleveland, but would he have left Miami if they would have 3-peated or would he have honored his contract and went for "not 5, not 6, not 7"?
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(07-13-2014 02:21 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  Paul Pierce...to the Wizards.

Not making that up.

So they let a somewhat aging 3 (Ariza) go for an even older 3 on a decline.

I shouldn't be surprised by a dumbass GM move in DC (see: Arenas, Gilbert; Brown, Kwame; Booker, Trevor; Blatche, Andray) but this bothers me more than it should. I guess because the Wizards were on the cusp of being a good team again and they let a piece go.

Hopefully Pierce can at least help mentor Otto Porter.
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Hope espn paid melo accordingly for supplying them with all that air time material

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(07-14-2014 02:07 PM)Deuce Anna Half Wrote:  
(07-13-2014 02:21 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  Paul Pierce...to the Wizards.

Not making that up.

So they let a somewhat aging 3 (Ariza) go for an even older 3 on a decline.

I shouldn't be surprised by a dumbass GM move in DC (see: Arenas, Gilbert; Brown, Kwame; Booker, Trevor; Blatche, Andray) but this bothers me more than it should. I guess because the Wizards were on the cusp of being a good team again and they let a piece go.

Hopefully Pierce can at least help mentor Otto Porter.

As if being a jeremy lin whore wasn't bad enough, I'm also an unabashed gilbert arenas apologist. In hindsight, the arenas deal was pretty bad considering he was coming off of two consecutive injuries to his knee. However, to put things into perspective, how is this any different than the bulls sticking with rose (what is this, comeback 3.0?)? With injuries, you never know what to expect, but with both players pre-injury they delivered tremendous value to their teams. The issue with arenas wasn't the contract itself - it was his post-injury conduct aka the guns in the locker room incident. Yes, that was fucked up, but a smart GM would have re-introduced him into the rotation and tried to convert him into a jason terry type 6th man. Letting him just fester for all those years while he was still on the books - i never understand it when GMs do that.
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I stand corrected on the Wizards letting Ariza go, Houston offered him a deal, Washington matched but Ariza left anyway. And theoretically taking Pierce for a 2-year deal frees him up just in time for one DC native son to come home from Oklahoma City. Maybe this deal turns out better than I expect it to.

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(07-13-2014 01:38 PM)tomtud Wrote:  The articles on melo resigning to the Knicks how he says he's a knick at heart shows that he is full of BS. He never won in Denver nor will he in New York. Granted he is one of the top players in the league, I would not want him.
Players who don't test free agency and who take salary cuts to help improve their teams (Duncan, Nowitzki) have credentials to be able to say they are true to their teams.

I would rather place my money on a team led by Duncan or anyone like him than someone fake and phoney like melo. I don't knock him for taking the max salary, but I do knock him for saying that. Phil Jackson IMHO wrong move.

Melo just turned 30. Nowitzki was 33 when he took less money (although for THE SAME amount as Melo: $20 mil per year) and Duncan was 37.

This tired argument doesn't hold any water.
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(07-15-2014 02:14 PM)Alan Partridge Wrote:  
(07-13-2014 01:38 PM)tomtud Wrote:  The articles on melo resigning to the Knicks how he says he's a knick at heart shows that he is full of BS. He never won in Denver nor will he in New York. Granted he is one of the top players in the league, I would not want him.
Players who don't test free agency and who take salary cuts to help improve their teams (Duncan, Nowitzki) have credentials to be able to say they are true to their teams.

I would rather place my money on a team led by Duncan or anyone like him than someone fake and phoney like melo. I don't knock him for taking the max salary, but I do knock him for saying that. Phil Jackson IMHO wrong move.

Melo just turned 30. Nowitzki was 33 when he took less money (although for THE SAME amount as Melo: $20 mil per year) and Duncan was 37.

This tired argument doesn't hold any water.

Correction, Melo is making around 24$ per year, on average. But the point stands.
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Mike Miller signed a 2 year deal with the Cavs. Glad I am a Cleveland fan Big Grin

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Anyone know if someone makes knee sleeves? My right knee (contains a never surgically repaired ACL) is sore after I play without compression pants, but it is too damn hot for full legged compression. I feel just fine if I wear the full pants though. I don't want a full on brace, just something to keep the muscles warm.
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Lot of bodies in the front court for the Mavericks...overpaying Chandler Parsons (as is the point with offer sheets in both NBA/NHL) is going to prevent the team in adding depth to the backcourt. It's critical as Devin Harris these days is more injury prone whereas Raymond Felton is just slow/out of shape not to mention traumatized by pending divorce rape.

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Well well, Michael Jordan is starting to look like a competent executive.

Forcing Utah to match Hayward's offer sheet was smart, but getting Stephenson was a much better option. He has the talent to be an All Star, as we saw last year. That starting five is sounding pretty good to me:

PG: Kemba Walker
SG: Lance Stephenson
SF: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
PF: Noah Vonleh/Cody Zeller
C: Big Al

I'd say that's 4th seed in the weak East.

My bet is still on the Bulls to win the east. Dougie McBuckets is going off in the summer league.

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(07-16-2014 05:14 PM)Brosemite Wrote:  Lot of bodies in the front court for the Mavericks...overpaying Chandler Parsons (as is the point with offer sheets in both NBA/NHL) is going to prevent the team in adding depth to the backcourt. It's critical as Devin Harris these days is more injury prone whereas Raymond Felton is just slow/out of shape not to mention traumatized by pending divorce rape.

But Houston doesn't have Parsons and they basically dismantled a division and conference foe in Houston by overpaying for Parsons. The move was as much to rush and cockblock the Rockets, more then it was to improve their own roster.

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(07-16-2014 10:50 PM)kosko Wrote:  But Houston doesn't have Parsons and they basically dismantled a division and conference foe in Houston by overpaying for Parsons. The move was as much to rush and cockblock the Rockets, more then it was to improve their own roster.

Chess game recognized.

I think Houston self-destructed on their own waiving the team option on Chandler Parson's 6 figure salary all while trying to overpay for a "3rd star" that would've gotten them nowhere.

I get what you mean though as Cuban was out to spite Rockets management..but as a Dallas fan..Mavs kind of handcuffed their ability to increase their back court depth with Parson's salary, which I'm not too fond of.

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(07-16-2014 04:43 PM)ddjembe mutombo Wrote:  Anyone know if someone makes knee sleeves? My right knee (contains a never surgically repaired ACL) is sore after I play without compression pants, but it is too damn hot for full legged compression. I feel just fine if I wear the full pants though. I don't want a full on brace, just something to keep the muscles warm.

Where I play I've noticed a ton of guys starting to wear those knee sleeves most likely as a fashion statement but they are easily found at Dicks or Footlocker type store. Here's a link to one at Nike:

http://m.nike.com/pl/en_gb/pd/pro-combat...gid-808770
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Can somebody explain the NBA Salary Cap to me?

http://www.nola.com/pelicans/index.ssf/2...y_cap.html

It appears as if the cap will be around 63 million with the tax line at 76.8 mil.

Will teams be assessed with the luxury tax if they spend above the 1) cap or 2) tax line?

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(07-17-2014 06:32 PM)Brosemite Wrote:  Can somebody explain the NBA Salary Cap to me?

http://www.nola.com/pelicans/index.ssf/2...y_cap.html

It appears as if the cap will be around 63 million with the tax line at 76.8 mil.

Will teams be assessed with the luxury tax if they spend above the 1) cap or 2) tax line?

The salary cap is 63 mil, the tax starts at 76 mil and the hard apron for this season is 81 mil. It is possible to exceed the apron by re-signing your own guys with their Bird rights or through trades.

To sign free agents you need the space under the cap room not the tax line. Hope that helps.
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(07-16-2014 11:23 PM)iWin Wrote:  Where I play I've noticed a ton of guys starting to wear those knee sleeves most likely as a fashion statement but they are easily found at Dicks or Footlocker type store. Here's a link to one at Nike:

http://m.nike.com/pl/en_gb/pd/pro-combat...gid-808770
Thanks, man. If I find a light and flexible enough brace then I'll just buy that. I need to hit the store this weekend.

I've noticed calf sleeves becoming a fashion thing in the US. I don't understand why one would buy two of those when they can just wear compression pants or high socks. Honestly, my favorite days are the ones where I have fresh legs and can just show up in shoes and shorts. Playing full court for 2 hours every day during the week definitely wears your legs down though...
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