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This first team defence thing is becoming psychological.
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The idea of Kevin Love walking away from the opportunity to keep playing with one of the greatest players ever who's still the best player in the league is just real funny to me.

If he does that, I never want to hear that dude's name again, because it would be obvious to me, that he just wants to be the man on lottery-bound teams.

He's been the man and he has proven that he can't win as the man, now he needs to be a second or third-banana to real ballers, and get his where he can.
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Quote:LeBron James watched his coach draw up the final play and then drew one up of his own.

"Give me the ball and get out of the way," he said.

James overruled Cleveland coach David Blatt's idea for a last-second inbounds play and drained a jumper from the corner at the buzzer to give the Cavaliers an 86-84 victory over the Chicago Bulls on Sunday, evening the Eastern Conference semifinal series at 2-2.

During a stoppage the Cavs only got because the officials were reviewing a play, Blatt designed a play that had James taking the ball out. The four-time NBA MVP has been in enough pressure situations that he vetoed his coach.

"I was supposed to take the ball out," James said. "I told Coach there was no way I'm taking the ball out unless I could shoot it over the backboard and go in. So I told him, 'Have somebody else take the ball out.' The play that was drawn up, I scratched it. I just told Coach, 'Just give me the ball. We're either going to go into overtime or I'm going to win it for us.'"

Quote:Rose drove for a tying layup with 9.4 seconds left. Blatt tried to call a timeout that he didn't have, but Lue restrained him, preventing a technical.

"Yeah, I almost blew it, to be honest with you," Blatt said.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/j...632?page=2

It might be a wrap for Blatt if they don't get to the Finals, but you could also fault the Cavs for not picking a more experienced head coach.

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Blatt was hired before they knew LeBron was coming back to the team -- which was stupid because you don't need a coach before the draft or before free agency, especially if you plan on going after stars, because you can sell stars the fact they can pick their coach.

He was supposed to be coaching a rebuilding effort not a title contender.

It's pretty clear to me that while he may be a great coach in European basketball, this isn't Europe.

He has no credibility with NBA superstars and NO ONE has given him credit for the season the Cavs have had because he needed to prove he could coach when the team was short-handed, not after Griffin made several brilliant trades that upgraded the roster and LeBron started playing like an MVP, he doesn't deserve credit for any of that.

A lot of NBA coaches get by/get props for being good coaches when they only win because they have talent, as soon as you take away the talent, guys like Scott Brooks, Mike Brown, Mike D'Antoni, etc. get exposed.

The good coaches are guys like Rick Carlisle and Tom Thibodeau who can take half a healthy roster or a mixmatch of free agents on one-year deals and still play competitive, playoff-level basketball.
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Clippers finally look like they are playing up to their talent level. I think all those previous meet ups with Memphis in the playoffs finally rubbed some toughness off on them. That combined with knocking off the defending champs helped them mentally.

I really doubted them but was proven wrong so far. This team looks ready for it all.

I'm ready for another physical, hate filled show down with Memphis but this time in the conference finals.
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(05-10-2015 05:27 PM)jariel Wrote:  The idea of Kevin Love walking away from the opportunity to keep playing with one of the greatest players ever who's still the best player in the league is just real funny to me.

If he does that, I never want to hear that dude's name again, because it would be obvious to me, that he just wants to be the man on lottery-bound teams.

He's been the man and he has proven that he can't win as the man, now he needs to be a second or third-banana to real ballers, and get his where he can.

Wut? Kevin Love would be a fool to stay on a team that utilizes him as a glorified spot up shooter. The man is easily a top 10 player in the NBA and if he has any sense he'll choose a team where his talents are appreciated.

Btw, are Russell Westbrook and Kevin Duran't "real ballers?" Cause guess what, OKC has had one of the two at all times this season and even both at once for a good chunk of the time and still missed the playoffs, just like Love's Wolves used to do with just one Love. Makes me think if Westbrook had gone to the Wolves and Love to the Thunder, the fortunes of these two franchises wouldn't have changes all that much. The Thunder would still have been contenders and the Wolves slumming in the lottery. Kevin Love is enough, by himself, to get you in the playoffs. Just not in the West, but there is no shame in that.
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(05-10-2015 11:31 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  Just not in the West, but there is no shame in that.

He went to the East and didn't even put up an all-star worthy performance.

He plays mediocre D and even playing with LeBron and Kyrie, he missed a lot of open shots this year.

T-Wolves fans said his last year there, "We would have made the playoffs if we were in the East".

Well they're not in the East, and if you want props for being a 7-8 seed in the East, too bad.

Guys who put up numbers but don't win aren't Top 10 players in the league.

Anthony Davis is 22, missed 14 games this year, and he still got his team to the playoffs and they finished eight games over .500, Love never even sniffed a season that good.

And I'll grant that he didn't play with the best players in Minnesota, but again, if we need to add two or three all-stars to the team for him to win games, then we're talking about the situation he has now.
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(05-10-2015 11:31 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  
(05-10-2015 05:27 PM)jariel Wrote:  The idea of Kevin Love walking away from the opportunity to keep playing with one of the greatest players ever who's still the best player in the league is just real funny to me.

If he does that, I never want to hear that dude's name again, because it would be obvious to me, that he just wants to be the man on lottery-bound teams.

He's been the man and he has proven that he can't win as the man, now he needs to be a second or third-banana to real ballers, and get his where he can.

Wut? Kevin Love would be a fool to stay on a team that utilizes him as a glorified spot up shooter. The man is easily a top 10 player in the NBA and if he has any sense he'll choose a team where his talents are appreciated.

Btw, are Russell Westbrook and Kevin Duran't "real ballers?" Cause guess what, OKC has had one of the two at all times this season and even both at once for a good chunk of the time and still missed the playoffs, just like Love's Wolves used to do with just one Love. Makes me think if Westbrook had gone to the Wolves and Love to the Thunder, the fortunes of these two franchises wouldn't have changes all that much. The Thunder would still have been contenders and the Wolves slumming in the lottery. Kevin Love is enough, by himself, to get you in the playoffs. Just not in the West, but there is no shame in that.

This.

Kobe bryant forced shaq out so that he could win as the first banana. He went three years never making it out of the first round, before he got his second banana. Kobe wouldn't be the kobe we celebrate today if he hadn't done that.

Scottie pippen spent his entire career as the second banana to Michael. He was no Michael, but he was certainly more talented than his legacy indicates. Unfortunately, he never gets the credit his talent merited. A host of players who never won a single title - karl malone, john stockton, clyde drexler, charles barkley, patrick ewing - are probably more celebrated than pippen.

NBA stars do not, and are not obligated, to prize winning above all else. Some times - many times, and rightfully so - winning "my way" is more important to them.

I respect this attitude.
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(05-10-2015 11:47 PM)jariel Wrote:  
(05-10-2015 11:31 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  Just not in the West, but there is no shame in that.

He went to the East and didn't even put up an all-star worthy performance.

He plays mediocre D and even playing with LeBron and Kyrie, he missed a lot of open shots this year.

T-Wolves fans said his last year there, "We would have made the playoffs if we were in the East".

Well they're not in the East, and if you want props for being a 7-8 seed in the East, too bad.

Guys who put up numbers but don't win aren't Top 10 players in the league.

Anthony Davis is 22, missed 14 games this year, and he still got his team to the playoffs and they finished eight games over .500, Love never even sniffed a season that good.

And I'll grant that he didn't play with the best players in Minnesota, but again, if we need to add two or three all-stars to the team for him to win games, then we're talking about the situation he has now.

I don't think Paul pierce, ray allen, or kevin garnett ever had much success - many years their respective teams did not make the playoffs. And then the rest is history.
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(05-10-2015 11:56 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:  I don't think Paul pierce, ray allen, or kevin garnett ever had much success - many years their respective teams did not make the playoffs. And then the rest is history.

Please stop comparing Kevin Love to first ballot Hall-of-Famers/All-Time Greats.

Those guys weren't just putting up empty numbers on horrific squads before they got together in Boston.

They were always the best players on their respective teams and playing in the playoffs nearly every year.
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(05-11-2015 12:01 AM)jariel Wrote:  
(05-10-2015 11:56 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:  I don't think Paul pierce, ray allen, or kevin garnett ever had much success - many years their respective teams did not make the playoffs. And then the rest is history.

Please stop comparing Kevin Love to first ballot Hall-of-Famers/All-Time Greats.

Those guys weren't just putting up empty numbers on horrific squads before they got together in Boston.

They were always the best players on their respective teams and playing in the playoffs nearly every year.

KG's t-wolves couldn't make it past the first round except once, when they had latrel sprewell and sam cassell in their primes. Then they went three more years missing the playoffs before KG went to boston.

I think Pierce went to the eastern concference finals one year - the rest of his boston playoff career pre-big 3 was... did it even exist??

You get the point.

I'm not saying Kevin Love is as good as these players. I just don't think love has had enough good opportunities to demonstrate what he really is. This season was a complete wash because lebron decided he couldn't accommodate love.
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btw name Kevin love's teammates when he was on the wolves. i can't even name one.
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The problem with Love fans is that they love to skirt around the issues.

They never talk about his defense nor do they talk about his inefficiency in the fourth quarters of ballgames.

Chris Bosh was no longer Toronto Bosh when he went to play with LeBron, but he became a defensive beast and an effective three-point shooter.

He got better as a player and he got richer in the process -- thanks to LeBron dipping he got $40 million more than he should have, so this guy plays with LeBron and becomes a two-time champion and cashes in come contract time.

If you think Love should leave Cleveland so someone else can run their offense through him, then like I said previously, don't bitch about his teammates, don't bitch about the fact he doesn't win, just worry about him getting his numbers and accept the fact he's a Shareef Abdur-Rahim and not a Kevin Garnett.

I think this year exposed Love more than anything else, the NBA has changed, you'll never win just dumping it into Love, the defensive schemes and rule changes have forced different offensive strategies, if you don't have multiple offensive weapons who can put the ball in the basket at high, efficient clips, you have no shot at winning in this league -- especially if on top of that you can't play monster defense.
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Get outta here comparing Russel Westbrook to Kevin Love! Russs would be in my All-NBA starting 5 right now. At the 1 or the 2.

Also, a number 9 seed in the West is often a 4-5 seed in the East.

Playing your own way is worthy of respect. But Kevin Love is not in the same tier as Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Nash, Miller...come on man just look at those names.

Also, Clyde Drexler did win a title, with Houston in 1995.

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Love is just a better version of David Lee. Can shoot well for a big man, good offensively in the post, rebounds below the rim but can't play defense to save his life. Love will slowly get forgotten and always be remembered as that sometimes all star that doesn't belong in the hall of fame.

As Jariel touched on that's not what works the NBA right now. It's better to have an athletic power forward that can guard on the perimeter with so many stretch the floor shooters and 3 pointers being so crucial.
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For the last 3 years (prior to this year), Love was considered the premier PF in the game.

LeBron and Blatt have tried to convert him into Mike Miller.

Love will probably opt into his contract for the final year, and then him and his homie Westbrook will bounce to the Lakers the summer after that.

A lot of it is about chemistry. When guys kick it and get along off the court, they're better on the court. Guys forget that Love is one of the top 3 (maybe even the best) outlet passers in NBA history. When Westbrook/Love were at UCLA together, Love would routinely outlet the ball to Westbrook at half court, and Westbrook then only needed a couple more seconds to get the dunk.

I hope to see that duo together again in an NBA uniform. It still boggles my mind that that UCLA team, comprised of four NBA starters lost in the Final Four to Derrick Rose and a bunch of d-leaguers.
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I studied the cav series vs Boston very keenly and I didn't find Love impressive. He showed poor post moves and without Lebron and Kyrie to set him up, he was inert on the court. I don't see how one can be a premier PF playing like that..

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(05-11-2015 12:23 AM)jariel Wrote:  The problem with Love fans is that they love to skirt around the issues.

They never talk about his defense nor do they talk about his inefficiency in the fourth quarters of ballgames.

Chris Bosh was no longer Toronto Bosh when he went to play with LeBron, but he became a defensive beast and an effective three-point shooter.

He got better as a player and he got richer in the process -- thanks to LeBron dipping he got $40 million more than he should have, so this guy plays with LeBron and becomes a two-time champion and cashes in come contract time.

If you think Love should leave Cleveland so someone else can run their offense through him, then like I said previously, don't bitch about his teammates, don't bitch about the fact he doesn't win, just worry about him getting his numbers and accept the fact he's a Shareef Abdur-Rahim and not a Kevin Garnett.

I think this year exposed Love more than anything else, the NBA has changed, you'll never win just dumping it into Love, the defensive schemes and rule changes have forced different offensive strategies, if you don't have multiple offensive weapons who can put the ball in the basket at high, efficient clips, you have no shot at winning in this league -- especially if on top of that you can't play monster defense.

I am not a love fan - far from it. To me he is boring, one dimensional, and unathletic.

But I just take issue with the claim that just because some player can't play with Lebron (or Lebron can't play with him), he is not a good player. A lot of it is indeed about chemistry.

Lebron historically doesn't play well with dominant big men - when he gets one, he converts them into stretch 4's. If they won't submit, there are issues. A lot of it has to do with the fact that lebron is a point forward - he likes to pass from the post, and he likes to play small, with the lone 5 being the rim protector. That is not love's game. So be it.
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(05-11-2015 06:06 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:  Lebron historically doesn't play well with dominant big men - when he gets one, he converts them into stretch 4's. If they won't submit, there are issues. A lot of it has to do with the fact that lebron is a point forward - he likes to pass from the post, and he likes to play small, with the lone 5 being the rim protector. That is not love's game. So be it.

That's not true at all. The problem with Bosh and Love being stretch 4s wasn't LeBron it was the fact that they were both playing to next two ball dominant guards. In Miami the pecking order was LeBron, Wade and THEN Bosh. In Cleveland the pecking order is LeBron, Irving and THEN Love.

LeBron played with two traditional big men in his first Cleveland stint but those teams always fell short because they had no real good players outside of LeBron and that's why he decided to play with Wade and Bosh in the first place.

I actually sorta agree with you that Love is getting a bad rap and yes, he ain't a good defender like Bosh but he's also creating driving lanes for LeBron AND Irving. Sometimes the game isn't about stats but his presence on the floor opens up things for the other Big 2. We can see how cramped the floor is for the Cavs now as they play Thompson and Mozgov together who can't do anything outside of the paint.
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(05-11-2015 11:03 AM)Moma Wrote:  I studied the cav series vs Boston very keenly and I didn't find Love impressive. He showed poor post moves and without Lebron and Kyrie to set him up, he was inert on the court. I don't see how one can be a premier PF playing like that..

He is (was) a premier PF because he can rebound like a beast and score from everywhere in the floor. I am not a Love fan but following that Heat team closely for 4 years has given me perspective on Love. He's the 3rd option next to LeBron and Irving. I always thought he should have been the 2nd option but the Cavs have made Irving their #2. Without Love there's no spacing on the floor for LeBron or Irving. He's getting underrated by fans just like Bosh was in Miami because he won't put up gaudy stats as the 3rd option in a reduced role.

Yeah, he has his defensive shortcomings but he's an excellent scorer + rebounder.
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