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(05-27-2013 12:40 AM)Therapsid Wrote:  
(05-27-2013 12:21 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  ^^ why do you hate them? Lebron is going to make me a richer man in a bout 3 weeks time.

I hate the Heat for having trashy lowlifes like Udonis Haslem, Mario Chalmers, and Birdman, along with an assorted ragtag of journeymen who have come together to be part of the LeBron James "Decision" show.

In the end, it's LeBron's fault for manufacturing such a garbage team in a market unworthy of any major franchise. Instead of elevating the league, a once in a lifetime talent sent it racing into the gutter.

LOL what?
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(05-27-2013 12:41 AM)Timoteo Wrote:  but people treat the "Big 3" think like it was a new innovation when the Celts, then the Heat did it. The media made a big deal of the Heat because of HOW they got together (free agency with James and Bosh joining Wade), while the Celts did it via trade (Garnett) with Allen coming via free agency to join Pierce. In different eras, Big 3s grew more organically via the draft, because rules curtailed greater player movement.

Bingo. Very well said. Big 3s and 2s have always existed except this time the players did it on their own instead of relying on the draft or trades.

Gio and I discussed this very thing in the beginning of the thread. Almost all championship teams have two superstars (at least 2 top 20 players). Only a couple of times recently have teams won with one superstar (Pistons in 04 and Mavs in 2011) when they were surrounded with incredible role players and good coaches.
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(05-27-2013 12:40 AM)TheSlayer Wrote:  
(05-26-2013 11:52 PM)CThunder86 Wrote:  Do people reliaze Dwayne Wade is 31? His days of high flying and staying injury free are over. He has been in the league for ten years and for the first 7 years he was always in the top 3 when it came to ft attempts. He has always been injury prone and now that he is older things won't be getting any better. He has got to work on the jumper ala Kobe...

Wade actually never has been injury free for prolonged stretches because of his high flying style and the way he relentlessly attacks the rim.

If anything he can become more injury free going forward if he changes his style of play and becomes a much better shooter like Kobe.

It would be great if he can work like LeBron on his shooting this off-season and become a threat from the 3.

Pat Riley pulled Wade aside a few years ago about the way he was constantly hitting the floor. Remember, Converse actually built a marketing campaign around it (get knocked down 7 times, get up 8, or something like that). He plays basketball like it's football (the gear he wears under his uniform makes him look like a football player). Jordan came to this realization at a certain point in his career, because teams were trying to slow him down by putting him on his ass when he attacked the basket. And Jordan was really skinny when he came into the league. He started lifting, while also developing his outside game to a point where he was a deadly 3-point shooter. Wade definitely needs to do that now, and pick his spots to attack.

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I got 2:3 odds, right when books opened (heat to win champs). Was a no brainer, if you watched last year's nba finals lebron posted up... Game ended. He starting posting up against Indiana and well... The game ended. Odds are crap now though, agreed.

Lebron is an incredibly underrated post up player, hell he should do it all the time. You just can't guard a guy who is basically Karl Malone + Derrick rose in one person.
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(05-27-2013 12:41 AM)TheSlayer Wrote:  
(05-27-2013 12:40 AM)Therapsid Wrote:  
(05-27-2013 12:21 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  ^^ why do you hate them? Lebron is going to make me a richer man in a bout 3 weeks time.

I hate the Heat for having trashy lowlifes like Udonis Haslem, Mario Chalmers, and Birdman, along with an assorted ragtag of journeymen who have come together to be part of the LeBron James "Decision" show.

In the end, it's LeBron's fault for manufacturing such a garbage team in a market unworthy of any major franchise. Instead of elevating the league, a once in a lifetime talent sent it racing into the gutter.

LOL what?

Heh I'm drunk off beer and champagne so I'm spouting off. Rightfully this belongs in the drunk lounge. Laugh
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(05-27-2013 12:47 AM)Timoteo Wrote:  
(05-27-2013 12:40 AM)TheSlayer Wrote:  
(05-26-2013 11:52 PM)CThunder86 Wrote:  Do people reliaze Dwayne Wade is 31? His days of high flying and staying injury free are over. He has been in the league for ten years and for the first 7 years he was always in the top 3 when it came to ft attempts. He has always been injury prone and now that he is older things won't be getting any better. He has got to work on the jumper ala Kobe...

Wade actually never has been injury free for prolonged stretches because of his high flying style and the way he relentlessly attacks the rim.

If anything he can become more injury free going forward if he changes his style of play and becomes a much better shooter like Kobe.

It would be great if he can work like LeBron on his shooting this off-season and become a threat from the 3.

Pat Riley pulled Wade aside a few years ago about the way he was constantly hitting the floor. Remember, Converse actually built a marketing campaign around it (get knocked down 7 times, get up 8, or something like that). He plays basketball like it's football (the gear he wears under his uniform makes him look like a football player). Jordan came to this realization at a certain point in his career, because teams were trying to slow him down by putting him on his ass when he attacked the basket. And Jordan was really skinny when he came into the league. He started lifting, while also developing his outside game to a point where he was a deadly 3-point shooter. Wade definitely needs to do that now, and pick his spots to attack.

Yeah, completely agree. Playing with LeBron should extend his career and if he can add outside shooting he can play for another few years and remain injury free. This year he has become one of the best players to move without the ball and LeBron always gets him open dunks and layups at the rim.
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(05-27-2013 12:50 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  I got 2:3 odds, right when books opened. Was a no brainer, if you watched last year's nba finals lebron posted up... Game ended. He starting posting up against Indiana and well... The game ended. Odds are crap now though, agreed.

Lebron is an incredibly underrated post up player, hell he should do it all the time. You just can't guard a guy who is basically Karl Malone + Derrick rose in one person.

Yeah, I didn't do anything right when the books opened. What did you bet on though? Heat repeating or him winning Finals MVP?

I checked again and the odds are shit. I'll see what happens this off-season and try to get the bets in early because right now you are basically getting 1:1.05 odds on almost everything Heat related.
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My bad half drunk on mobile, I only made one bet , heat to win champs

http://nba.si.com/2013/04/19/miami-heat-...ers-spurs/

Lol @ okc 4:1 odds... Demolished.
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(05-27-2013 12:40 AM)Therapsid Wrote:  
(05-27-2013 12:21 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  ^^ why do you hate them? Lebron is going to make me a richer man in a bout 3 weeks time.

I hate the Heat for having trashy lowlifes like Udonis Haslem, Mario Chalmers, and Birdman, along with an assorted ragtag of journeymen who have come together to be part of the LeBron James "Decision" show.

In the end, it's LeBron's fault for manufacturing such a garbage team in a market unworthy of any major franchise. Instead of elevating the league, a once in a lifetime talent sent it racing into the gutter.

Trashy lowlifes? Not sure what you mean. Udonis Haslem was a MAJOR key to Miami's '06 title - he was instrumental on the offensive boards in the clincher, and just his overall dirty work on D and the boards all season. He's a Florida lifer - he's from the Miami area, and played in college at Florida. He was originally a Knick draftee, but played overseas for a couple of years before sticking with the Heat. He too was a free agent, and got offered far more than he's making with the Heat by other teams. He signed back on to be a part of this, and simply because Miami is home. Nothing trashy about that. Chalmers hit the big shot for Kansas against Memphis to send the NCAA final into overtime, which they won. He's struggled from time to time, but he's a valuable piece for the Heat. Birdman has always played hard wherever he's been. I'm not sure how LeBron, or the Heat, have hurt the league.

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(05-27-2013 12:31 AM)SHANbangs Wrote:  i wonder if ray allen can only win a championship on a "big 3" team...

I'm not quite sure what you mean here. Allen was a major contributor on the Celtic teams that made two finals runs. He wasn't as consistent this year with the Heat, but then again, the Celts saw slippage so they were willing to let him go. Most championship teams have at least two stars, and a third player that's arguably an all-star quality player. Key role players provide the rest. Jordan wasn't a champion until they put that around him. Stars like Magic, Bird, Kobe, etc. always had that around them. It's pretty difficult for a single all-star to carry a team to a championship. Occasionally, a single star can get you to the finals (Iverson in '01 with the Sixers, LeBron in '07 with the Cavs), but people treat the "Big 3" think like it was a new innovation when the Celts, then the Heat did it. The media made a big deal of the Heat because of HOW they got together (free agency with James and Bosh joining Wade), while the Celts did it via trade (Garnett) with Allen coming via free agency to join Pierce. In different eras, Big 3s grew more organically via the draft, because rules curtailed greater player movement.

I just meant Ray-ray has only won/will win on teams that have been labelled as "big 3" in terms of star power. The 08 celtics were not as dominant as the current heat, but they had the best record in the league and three players who made the all-star team (i think).

Yes, other teams have won championships with multiple stars, but i think what the 08 Celtics and the Heat have done is orient the team blueprint towards that of 3 stars who are in the NBA top 15, and arguably 2 in the top ten or top 5. That seems to be the blueprint now.
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(05-27-2013 12:40 AM)Therapsid Wrote:  
(05-27-2013 12:21 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  ^^ why do you hate them? Lebron is going to make me a richer man in a bout 3 weeks time.

I hate the Heat for having trashy lowlifes like Udonis Haslem, Mario Chalmers, and Birdman, along with an assorted ragtag of journeymen who have come together to be part of the LeBron James "Decision" show.

In the end, it's LeBron's fault for manufacturing such a garbage team in a market unworthy of any major franchise. Instead of elevating the league, a once in a lifetime talent sent it racing into the gutter.

By "racing into the gutter" I assume you mean taking the Heat back to back Finals appearances with a 3rd in the works? Those aforementioned Finals appearances were the amongst most highly rated(in terms of Nielsen) sports events of the respective years they happened. Say what you want about The Decision, but LeBron becoming such a polarizing figure has been great for the league, as its drawn the casual fan in and made him the villain that the media loves to use as a pretext to sell stories.
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(05-27-2013 12:47 AM)Timoteo Wrote:  
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(05-26-2013 11:52 PM)CThunder86 Wrote:  Do people reliaze Dwayne Wade is 31? His days of high flying and staying injury free are over. He has been in the league for ten years and for the first 7 years he was always in the top 3 when it came to ft attempts. He has always been injury prone and now that he is older things won't be getting any better. He has got to work on the jumper ala Kobe...

Wade actually never has been injury free for prolonged stretches because of his high flying style and the way he relentlessly attacks the rim.

If anything he can become more injury free going forward if he changes his style of play and becomes a much better shooter like Kobe.

It would be great if he can work like LeBron on his shooting this off-season and become a threat from the 3.

Pat Riley pulled Wade aside a few years ago about the way he was constantly hitting the floor. Remember, Converse actually built a marketing campaign around it (get knocked down 7 times, get up 8, or something like that). He plays basketball like it's football (the gear he wears under his uniform makes him look like a football player). Jordan came to this realization at a certain point in his career, because teams were trying to slow him down by putting him on his ass when he attacked the basket. And Jordan was really skinny when he came into the league. He started lifting, while also developing his outside game to a point where he was a deadly 3-point shooter. Wade definitely needs to do that now, and pick his spots to attack.

Mike was never actually a great three point shooter, as he's 32% for his career, but he was absolutely automatic from midrange range. In his own words he said that shooting alot of threes would detract from his attacking mindset, which would definitely hurt his game. In addition to his incredible mid range accuracy, he developed what is probably the best post game for a guard ever, so he could use his IQ and craftiness to get his shot off anytime he wanted. A trainer named Tim Grover was instrumental in his body transformation as he convinced Mike to use his methods and the rest is history. He is one of the foremost basketball trainers in the game today working with everyone from A-Rod to Kobe to Simeon Rice.
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(05-27-2013 01:50 AM)iWin Wrote:  Mike was never actually a great three point shooter, as he's 32% for his career, but he was absolutely automatic from midrange range. In his own words he said that shooting alot of threes would detract from his attacking mindset, which would definitely hurt his game. In addition to his incredible mid range accuracy, he developed what is probably the best post game for a guard ever, so he could use his IQ and craftiness to get his shot off anytime he wanted. A trainer named Tim Grover was instrumental in his body transformation as he convinced Mike to use his methods and the rest is history. He is one of the foremost basketball trainers in the game today working with everyone from A-Rod to Kobe to Simeon Rice.

Yeah, Jordan's three point percentage shot up in 94-95 and to a lesser extent in the following two seasons because of the temporary shift to a line of only 22 feet.

So many of the issues with the NBA could be solved by pushing the three point line further back. Gregg Popovich has expressed his opposition to the current three point line despite being forced to rely upon it, and I agree with him.
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i hate d-wade. Dirty player. a complete asshole. Broke kobe's nose intentionally for no good reason. Gets a referee pass.

D-wade reminds me of an aging hot girl who is getting bitter, resentful, hormonal, and emotional.
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Why compare Ray Allen from now to the Ray Allen in 08? I don't care how good of a shooter and how in shape you are, Father Time always wins...unless you are Tim Duncan. Speaking if which..

Can we all agree Timmy is the best player since Jordan? His skill set is amazing. Jump shots from the top if te key, using glass, hooks, drop steps, power moves, offense rebounding, sokid defense, did I miss anything?

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(05-27-2013 02:03 AM)Therapsid Wrote:  
(05-27-2013 01:50 AM)iWin Wrote:  Mike was never actually a great three point shooter, as he's 32% for his career, but he was absolutely automatic from midrange range. In his own words he said that shooting alot of threes would detract from his attacking mindset, which would definitely hurt his game. In addition to his incredible mid range accuracy, he developed what is probably the best post game for a guard ever, so he could use his IQ and craftiness to get his shot off anytime he wanted. A trainer named Tim Grover was instrumental in his body transformation as he convinced Mike to use his methods and the rest is history. He is one of the foremost basketball trainers in the game today working with everyone from A-Rod to Kobe to Simeon Rice.

Yeah, Jordan's three point percentage shot up in 94-95 and to a lesser extent in the following two seasons because of the temporary shift to a line of only 22 feet.

So many of the issues with the NBA could be solved by pushing the three point line further back. Gregg Popovich has expressed his opposition to the current three point line despite being forced to rely upon it, and I agree with him.

I remember Mike knocking down six of them in the Finals against Portland. His career percentage was low because, as stated, he became a great three-point shooter. He didn't start out that way. And he wasn't a chucker from back there. Most of his game was 18ft and in. But he became a threat. Magic came into the league without an outside shot also, but became effective from distance also.

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(05-27-2013 09:12 AM)CThunder86 Wrote:  Why compare Ray Allen from now to the Ray Allen in 08? I don't care how good of a shooter and how in shape you are, Father Time always wins...unless you are Tim Duncan. Speaking if which..

Can we all agree Timmy is the best player since Jordan? His skill set is amazing. Jump shots from the top if te key, using glass, hooks, drop steps, power moves, offense rebounding, sokid defense, did I miss anything?

Great shooters need to shoot to find a rhythm. Ray isn't getting the minutes/shots that he got as a starter, so I think if he gets in a slump now, it's harder to get out of it because he isn't on the floor for long stretches to shoot his way out. Another difference between the Celts and Heat is that the Celts Big 3 were guys at the tail end of their careers (but still effective, and hungry for rings), while the Heat put together 3 guys in their primes. I don't think the formula is that teams HAVE to find 2 guys that are among the very best in the game's history - it's just how it worked out this time. What you want is two bonafide all-stars of the current generation, regardless of where they place historically. That was the unique thing about LeBron - young stars in their primes simply don't become available on the free-agent market like that. Teams usually have them locked up, and if things go sour somehow, they get traded. Their never in the position to just walk away.

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Timoteo - to be honest, you break NBA shit down like a boss. Did you play at least at the collegiate level? You chop up basketball game like it's the back of your hand. You are right about Ray Allen - but can you replace some of those idiots on ESPN? I want to hear dudes like you who actually know what's up.

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Great shooters need to shoot to find a rhythm. Ray isn't getting the minutes/shots that he got as a starter, so I think if he gets in a slump now, it's harder to get out of it because he isn't on the floor for long stretches to shoot his way out. Another difference between the Celts and Heat is that the Celts Big 3 were guys at the tail end of their careers (but still effective, and hungry for rings), while the Heat put together 3 guys in their primes. I don't think the formula is that teams HAVE to find 2 guys that are among the veiry best in the game's history - it's just how it worked out this time. What you want is two bonafide all-stars of the current generation, regardless of where they place historically. That was the unique thing about LeBron - young stars in their primes simply don't become available on the free-agent market like that. Teams usually have them locked up, and if things go sour somehow, they get traded. Their never in the position to just walk away.
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If you're game is just being a great shooter (spot up) then there's a limit to your impact on the game. If you can't do anything else then you're replaceable. I agree that coming off the bench is probably tough for Ray but shooting is his game. Starter or not he needs to make them. It's not like they told him he was going to be a starter and decided to bench him. No excuses for him because some of these shots are wide open.

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(05-27-2013 10:12 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  Timoteo - to be honest, you break NBA shit down like a boss. Did you play at least at the collegiate level? You chop up basketball game like it's the back of your hand. You are right about Ray Allen - but can you replace some of those idiots on ESPN? I want to hear dudes like you who actually know what's up.

I just love basketball. It's always been my favorite sport. I only played one year of high school, and went to a basketball camp the summer before (Metropolitan Area in Silver Spring, Maryland). I've always played club ball. I played intramurals in college, and corporate league ball as an adult. I played for a good club ball coach, and he's the one that really got me looking at the game analytically (as well as my coaches at bball camp). I played corporate leagues until my mid-40s, but a bad back finally shut me down.

I probably started watching college and pro ball seriously in the mid-70s (the '78 Final 4 got me hooked on college ball - Arkansas, Kentucky, Duke & Notre Dame). A lot of the stuff younger guys talk about when discussing the history of the game, or comparing eras, I actually WATCHED. I've seen all the changes the league has experienced, and seen how the game and players have changed.

Sports media is a joke. The fan is shortchanged regarding real analysis. There might be a few former players on ESPN that chop it up properly, but they get drowned out by the clowns that never played, and are only in it to talk trash to or about the players to get ratings. Even though some of them have been around the game and writing about it and watching it for 15/20 years, they don't seem to really understand what the fuck they're talking about. All they do is regurgitate stats without regard for context. The media should be stripped of their votes for player awards. Most of them are petty douchebags that vote, or withhold votes, based on bullshit. Most are too gutless to vote their conscience - they just follow each other. If you want to know who REALLY balls night-in, night-out, you ask their peers.

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Great shooters need to shoot to find a rhythm. Ray isn't getting the minutes/shots that he got as a starter, so I think if he gets in a slump now, it's harder to get out of it because he isn't on the floor for long stretches to shoot his way out. Another difference between the Celts and Heat is that the Celts Big 3 were guys at the tail end of their careers (but still effective, and hungry for rings), while the Heat put together 3 guys in their primes. I don't think the formula is that teams HAVE to find 2 guys that are among the veiry best in the game's history - it's just how it worked out this time. What you want is two bonafide all-stars of the current generation, regardless of where they place historically. That was the unique thing about LeBron - young stars in their primes simply don't become available on the free-agent market like that. Teams usually have them locked up, and if things go sour somehow, they get traded. Their never in the position to just walk away.
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If you're game is just being a great shooter (spot up) then there's a limit to your impact on the game. If you can't do anything else then you're replaceable. I agree that coming off the bench is probably tough for Ray but shooting is his game. Starter or not he needs to make them. It's not like they told him he was going to be a starter and decided to bench him. No excuses for him because some of these shots are wide open.
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I think that's one of the greatest misconceptions about Allen's game throughout his career. That he was just a spot-up shooter. Throughout his career, he was a pretty complete shooting guard. He put it on the floor, penetrated and dunked on guys. He happens to be a great shooter, so as players age, their game evolves, but he can still get his shot and move. Shooters are always at a premium. He's definitely at that stage where he has to adjust from starter to reserve - and it can be difficult for players. The mindset is totally different. As a starter, if you start off missing, you know you're not coming out of the game and have time to get in the flow. If you're coming off the bench, you're coming off cold and don't have time to warm up - they need you to step right in and start knocking shots down. Once he gets adjusted, he can probably play until age 40. Even when he was starting, I remember the Celts/Lakers 2010 Final where in one game he dropped a record number of 3s, then couldn't hit the bottom of the ocean in the next game. He's one of the best shooters in the history of the game, but even guys like that slump. The Heat also have Rashard Lewis on the bench, who was also brought in as a shooter. He hasn't even gotten a sniff. I believe he got in at the end of the last game, but that was only when they were pulling the starters when the game was in hand.

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I agree with that fact Ray could do much more than be a spot up...up until 4 years ago. Even until this year they would run him off screens. Maybe it's the Lack of care for getting Ray Allen plays. Now that I look at it, he must really want to win a ring. He doesn't get any plays. They use him as a spot up. I'm sure they told him before him signed or he's just that much of a professional.

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The Heat are a smart team man. The players on that team are some of the only ones in the league who sacrifice money for a chance to play on a great team.

James Harden couldn't do it, but Ray Allen and Lebron James could. Harden has a better contract than Lebron James. Sure James makes tons of money from endorsements. But does Chris Bosh? Probably at this time Harden is better paid than Bosh, but who's actually working for a championship?

They picked up Birdman who's doing GREAT, after those BS charges that led the Nuggets to cut him. Imagine if he was still on the Nuggets? I'm sure that a hot team like that would be happy to have him after Gallo went down.

I wonder if the Spurs will have a shot to beat them? The Spurs have been playing pretty perfectly, and besides for 2 games of incredible shooting from the Warriors, they haven't lost a game in the playoffs. The Spurs always execute so amazingly, and playing perfectly is really what you have to do to beat Miami. Unless you have someone incredible like J.J. Barrea to lock down Lebron.

For all the talk about how unstoppable the Heat and Lebron are, remember Lebron has been to the finals 3 times and won 1 time. And who knows if this Heat team can/will stay together past next year...
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(05-27-2013 11:20 AM)CThunder86 Wrote:  I agree with that fact Ray could do much more than be a spot up...up until 4 years ago. Even until this year they would run him off screens. Maybe it's the Lack of care for getting Ray Allen plays. Now that I look at it, he must really want to win a ring. He doesn't get any plays. They use him as a spot up. I'm sure they told him before him signed or he's just that much of a professional.

You ever read Breaks of the Game? Jordan Rules? I even like the first half of Bill Simmons book. I think he does a great job of summarizing how the NBA was formed. I'm not going to even talk about his rankings.

I like Simmons as a writer more than I do his tv work. Grantland has some great pieces on it. On camera he gets sucked into the foolishness of the others on the set. There are excellent sports BOOKS, but day-to-day sports media is lacking.

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Timoteo - Which analysts are stellar and which ones are rubbish? Let me know so I know who to focus on and who to omit.

New York guys usually know their basketball. Some of the illest guards ever have come out from New York.

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