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Lakers always will have draw because of the history, the city and the excitement. But it makes no sense to be mediocre. Either suck (good picks) or be a contender but middle ground is nothing.

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Iggy goes to the Dubs for 4/48, Biedrins and RJ to the Jazz. I like this move, still nothing about D12?
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And very quietly, the surprise move of the NBA offseason is Brad Stevens hiring in Boston. Great hire. Coach Stevens is one of the nicest, most down to earth people in the business. I had the pleasure of speaking to him at the last Butler practice on Sunday. Never saw this move coming.
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So Howard to Rockets and they are trying to get Josh Smith. If they can get all 3.....Harden, Howard, and Smith woww. OKC will rue creating this monster, one of the worst trades ever. On the other hand, bring on a Rockets OKC series and get your popcorn ready.
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(07-05-2013 06:03 PM)at350zguyy Wrote:  And very quietly, the surprise move of the NBA offseason is Brad Stevens hiring in Boston. Great hire. Coach Stevens is one of the nicest, most down to earth people in the business. I had the pleasure of speaking to him at the last Butler practice on Sunday. Never saw this move coming.

Almost too nice. Will be very interesting to see if he can coach the likes of Rajon Rondo and Jordan Crawford to name a few on that team.The Celtics are really in for a arduous rebuilding project, luckily for them this upcoming draft is loaded.
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I pretty much knew Howard was leaving LA. He never wanted to go there in the first place, but they were the only team that could swing a deal to get him out of Orlando. He only needed to spend a season there, and exercise his free agent rights to get to a more desired destination. Remember, LA was WAY DOWN on his list of teams he wanted to be dealt to. The Rockets pretty much have the best situation and personnel of the interested teams. Even if they don't add another max player, their in good shape. One of the best big men to ever play, Kevin McHale, is his coach. Hakeem Olajuwon, who he worked with 3 years ago, also jumped in to help recruit him. He knows they'll focus their attention on getting the best from his skills and build everything around him. James Harden is a top scorer, but he's also a creator (ask OKC how much losing him meant, especially when Westbrook went down). Bottom line, D'Antoni's system was wrong for him, though his struggles in LA were more attributed to the bad back, then the injured shoulder. His not being up to the tradition of big men in LA, or playing with Kobe Bryant were secondary to the fact that D'Antoni wasn't going to make alterations to the system to better help him fit in. I give Dwight credit for FINALLY making a definitive move for himself, instead of acting like a bitch-ass flake. He can't worry about everyone loving him.

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I don't think the Celtics make the Brad Stevens move if Pierce and Garnett are still on the roster. The college to NBA move for coaches that have never played, or were assistants in the NBA is a difficult one. You don't often see this move made with a coach from a mid-major, regardless of his success there. And to have a coach that is not only young, but LOOKS really young, is particularly risky when he's dealing with grown men. I applaud the Celts for taking a risk, and if you're going to do it, this is the time since they're doing a complete rebuild. At the same time, Rondo is a HEADACHE. The very thing that makes him great on the court is what makes him difficult to deal with at times. The Celts will be very interesting to watch next year to see how this progresses. The Celts are doing what most prominent teams are scared to do - strip down and start over. Teams in certain cities are afraid to lose for a while so they can rebuild through the draft and minor deals.

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(07-06-2013 10:46 AM)Timoteo Wrote:  I pretty much knew Howard was leaving LA. He never wanted to go there in the first place, but they were the only team that could swing a deal to get him out of Orlando. He only needed to spend a season there, and exercise his free agent rights to get to a more desired destination. Remember, LA was WAY DOWN on his list of teams he wanted to be dealt to. The Rockets pretty much have the best situation and personnel of the interested teams. Even if they don't add another max player, their in good shape. One of the best big men to ever play, Kevin McHale, is his coach. Hakeem Olajuwon, who he worked with 3 years ago, also jumped in to help recruit him. He knows they'll focus their attention on getting the best from his skills and build everything around him. James Harden is a top scorer, but he's also a creator (ask OKC how much losing him meant, especially when Westbrook went down). Bottom line, D'Antoni's system was wrong for him, though his struggles in LA were more attributed to the bad back, then the injured shoulder. His not being up to the tradition of big men in LA, or playing with Kobe Bryant were secondary to the fact that D'Antoni wasn't going to make alterations to the system to better help him fit in. I give Dwight credit for FINALLY making a definitive move for himself, instead of acting like a bitch-ass flake. He can't worry about everyone loving him.

Yeah. definitely agree here.The thing about Dwight is that he is a bit happy go lucky with his approach to the game, while Kobe is definitely all business. You can tell they never quite meshed and Kobe patronizing("stay here and I'll teach how to be a real champion") as Dwight had one foot out the door probably played in his decision not to return. It certainly wasn't a great sales pitch when the two already had a rocky relationship during the season.

I get the sense that Kobe never really respected Dwight because of the killer instinct many perceive him to lack.Hopefully as a result of this he becomes a little meaner and play like everyone knows he can in Houston.Word on the street is the Rockets are putting together a sign and trade deal that'll see Josh Smith go to the Rockets as well, so Morey is looking like a genius for stockpiling those assets if this indeed goes through. That lineup is extremely formidable especially if they hold on to Parsons.

As an aside that James Harden trade looks disastrous for OKC now as Kevin Martin walks. This is why in any sport you have to make the most of your chances when you get them because you just never know what will happen. They've still got good talent and can contend just off the strength of having KD and Russell, but they are very thin on the bench especially since guys like Perry Jones and Jeremy Lamb looked like deer in the headlights last season. What also will be interesting to watch is how the Lakers proceed from here.They dont really have enough to contend and Dantoni is an atrocious fit. Do they trade Pau? Encourage
Kobe to retire? Trade Kobe? We shall see.
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Check that Josh Smith reference in my last post. He's heading to Detroit for $14 million a year! To say Joe D is an idiot is probably an understatement and this move fits none our needs while screwing up our spacing. Time to get Joe D outta here as he's worn out his welcome from building that championship squad. This team is gonna be very tough to watch offensively that's for sure.
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(07-06-2013 02:05 PM)iWin Wrote:  
(07-06-2013 10:46 AM)Timoteo Wrote:  I pretty much knew Howard was leaving LA. He never wanted to go there in the first place, but they were the only team that could swing a deal to get him out of Orlando. He only needed to spend a season there, and exercise his free agent rights to get to a more desired destination. Remember, LA was WAY DOWN on his list of teams he wanted to be dealt to. The Rockets pretty much have the best situation and personnel of the interested teams. Even if they don't add another max player, their in good shape. One of the best big men to ever play, Kevin McHale, is his coach. Hakeem Olajuwon, who he worked with 3 years ago, also jumped in to help recruit him. He knows they'll focus their attention on getting the best from his skills and build everything around him. James Harden is a top scorer, but he's also a creator (ask OKC how much losing him meant, especially when Westbrook went down). Bottom line, D'Antoni's system was wrong for him, though his struggles in LA were more attributed to the bad back, then the injured shoulder. His not being up to the tradition of big men in LA, or playing with Kobe Bryant were secondary to the fact that D'Antoni wasn't going to make alterations to the system to better help him fit in. I give Dwight credit for FINALLY making a definitive move for himself, instead of acting like a bitch-ass flake. He can't worry about everyone loving him.

Yeah. definitely agree here.The thing about Dwight is that he is a bit happy go lucky with his approach to the game, while Kobe is definitely all business. You can tell they never quite meshed and Kobe patronizing("stay here and I'll teach how to be a real champion") as Dwight had one foot out the door probably played in his decision not to return. It certainly wasn't a great sales pitch when the two already had a rocky relationship during the season.

I get the sense that Kobe never really respected Dwight because of the killer instinct many perceive him to lack.Hopefully as a result of this he becomes a little meaner and play like everyone knows he can in Houston.Word on the street is the Rockets are putting together a sign and trade deal that'll see Josh Smith go to the Rockets as well, so Morey is looking like a genius for stockpiling those assets if this indeed goes through. That lineup is extremely formidable especially if they hold on to Parsons.

As an aside that James Harden trade looks disastrous for OKC now as Kevin Martin walks. This is why in any sport you have to make the most of your chances when you get them because you just never know what will happen. They've still got good talent and can contend just off the strength of having KD and Russell, but they are very thin on the bench especially since guys like Perry Jones and Jeremy Lamb looked like deer in the headlights last season. What also will be interesting to watch is how the Lakers proceed from here.They dont really have enough to contend and Dantoni is an atrocious fit. Do they trade Pau? Encourage
Kobe to retire? Trade Kobe? We shall see.

I think OKC drew a fiscal line in the sand regarding Harden, and weren't willing to cross it. I believe they made him a take-it-or-leave-it offer, and wanted the answer NOW. Harden wanted a while to think on it, so they made the move to trade him and get SOMETHING. They had to take a player in return, as well as picks, so they took Martin, who would replace some of the points Harden gave them. I'm not shocked they let him walk away, in that one of the reasons they took him was his expiring contract. The two first-rounders, and the second round pick were what they really valued. Getting Lamb was like getting an extra player from the previous draft. He needs a camp with the team to really figure out where he fits. He's on a rookie deal, so the cost is minimal. OKC has chosen to build around two stars, instead of 3. It was definitely a dice roll. I would look for future deals with the chips they picked up in the Harden deal.

The Lakers are definitely at a crossroads. The previous championship quality roster has been almost completely dismantled. They have a coach that runs a system that doesn't fit his roster, the main parts of which are a combination of old and injured. Pau is also lost in this system, and they probably should have pulled the trigger on a deal a couple of years ago for him. Just on grit and his remaining skills, Kobe can be an effective player, but can't carry them anymore. They're actually at the same place the Celtics are, but won't acknowledge it. They need to clean house. Of course, a veteran champ like Kobe would be miserable in a rebuilding situation, so you'd need to think about what to do with him. Amnesty? LA being LA, they could always attract top-tier free-agents, and wouldn't have to go on a 5 year, build through the draft and mid-level free-agent plan. They'd have to make the decision to take a two-year beating, but you know they'd never want to do that in LA. In order to get high draft picks, the kind that will help you build, you need to lose first. They'd never be able to stomach that. Kobe has never really been a good leader - the Dwight issues merely confirm that. He isn't the kind of vet that can help younger players along. One way or another, for the Lakers to enter the next era, they need to be rid of Kobe, either via trade or amnesty.

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(07-06-2013 02:34 PM)iWin Wrote:  Check that Josh Smith reference in my last post. He's heading to Detroit for $14 million a year! To say Joe D is an idiot is probably an understatement and this move fits none our needs while screwing up our spacing. Time to get Joe D outta here as he's worn out his welcome from building that championship squad. This team is gonna be very tough to watch offensively that's for sure.

I think Smith was going to go wherever they were willing to pay him the most, regardless of the fit. Smith is talented, but I really don't see him as a max-type player. Neither do most GMs in the league.

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I love the Warriors picking up Iguodala. They really could have used someone with lockdown D to chase Tony Parker around screens and given Curry's ankles a break (rimshot!). As a first option on offense he's not that good, but as the 3rd man he's an awesome signing. He even took a discount to play with the Dubs. The big question as a team is injuries, but if healthy they have markedly improved in what is shaping up to be a frighteningly competitive western conference. Dumping off those awful contracts was also great. I can't even recall the last time that the Dubs managed to sign a marque FA that was being pursued by multiple teams and for a bargain.
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http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/...ource-says

I am probably going to be a bandwagon Nets fan next year, just because of KG & Pierce on the team.

Now, the team is even deeper. Reggie Evans, Kirilenko & Terry on the bench?

I suppose it all hinges on whether Kidd can pull the team together. Wasn't Phil Jackson considering coaching the Nets? I wonder if he would with this lineup.

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(07-11-2013 09:45 PM)2Wycked Wrote:  I suppose it all hinges on whether Kidd can pull the team together. Wasn't Phil Jackson considering coaching the Nets? I wonder if he would with this lineup.

Kidd as a coach with this roster is a mistake. When you have a win now roster with a title window of 1 year, a rookie coach is not the best option. They need a veteran coach who can balance the egos of the stars on the team and get them all to buy-in.

I believe that Kidd will actually be a decent Xs and Os coach but player management is tricky and it will take him time to learn that.

PJ was never considering the Nets, they just made a run at him. I do think that with this roster he may be interested and could have come back for 1 or 2 years which would have perfect given that he is getting older and the window for this team is extremely small.
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Damn, I wanted Kirilenko on the Kings. We were the only ones chasing him that could have made room for a substantial (7 mil/year) offer. After striking out on Iggy as well, it is not like we can cover our SF needs or get a free agent to come here.
There is speculation that Andrei is somehow being compensated under the table by Prokhorov. Either way, that Nets lineup is sick, but this isn't a video game, and you have seen these super-lineup teams before that look good on paper fail to materialize.
And yes, Kidd has no business coaching. I don't know where that idea came from
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(07-11-2013 10:33 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  
(07-11-2013 09:45 PM)2Wycked Wrote:  I suppose it all hinges on whether Kidd can pull the team together. Wasn't Phil Jackson considering coaching the Nets? I wonder if he would with this lineup.

Kidd as a coach with this roster is a mistake. When you have a win now roster with a title window of 1 year, a rookie coach is not the best option. They need a veteran coach who can balance the egos of the stars on the team and get them all to buy-in.

I believe that Kidd will actually be a decent Xs and Os coach but player management is tricky and it will take him time to learn that.

PJ was never considering the Nets, they just made a run at him. I do think that with this roster he may be interested and could have come back for 1 or 2 years which would have perfect given that he is getting older and the window for this team is extremely small.

Deron Williams has been known to be a "coach killer" even though it appeared as if Jerry Sloan was about to call it quits a few years back anyways. DWill however has always had a close relationship with Kidd. Rumor has it that he would've stayed on as a backup in Dallas had Deron signed with the Mavs. Kidd has always been known to be a silent vocal leader on every team he's played on especially the Olympic squads he's partaken in too. I still agree that managing a group of players while not suited up for games is something he hasn't experienced yet while this roster is built for "win now" or else.
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I agree with both of you.

I really thought they put the cart before the horse in hiring Kidd.

In hindsight, it looks extremely stupid.

Hell, even if they couldn't have gotten PJ, they could have made a run at George Karl or Lionel Hollins, two proven coaches.

I think Kidd will eventually be a solid coach - I don't see him being great - being a point guard I think helps him a bit as a coach.

I really hope this team isn't like this past year's Lakers - fucking sick on 2k13 but not good in real life.

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It looks like LA let go of world peace. I liked meta. He wasn't the best player on the team but that man has heart.
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Thoughts on the West?

Really interested in if the Thunder will make it all the way.

The Thunder are of course great and could be in the Finals next year, but even last season when Westbrook was healthy, they had a disappointing record against top West teams. They're missing that extra umph. They'll be hoping that some combination of Reggie Jackson, Jeremy Lamb and maybe Perry Jones III can help them get that extra punch. Dunno how it will work out, but Jackson looked great in the playoffs, for what its worth. He's not Harden or anything, but he looked better than Kevin Martin, for instance.

But they're basically stuck with Perkins since amnestying him still means paying his salary, and wouldn't help their financial situation.

Really got to hope that some of their young players are actually given minutes to step up. Scott Brooks is so stiff with his lineups, he hardly let any of their young players develop last year, and then when Westbrook went down they had nothing left... They looked like the Knicks really, just giving the ball to Durant (Melo) and hoping he'd save the day...

It's actually amazing, their salary situation. Almost all of their players are on really affordable contracts, besides Perkins:

Kevin Durant $18,773,176
Russell Westbrook $14,693,906
Serge Ibaka $12,250,000
Kendrick Perkins $8,477,437
Thabo Sefolosha $3,900,000
Nick Collison $2,585,668
Jeremy Lamb $2,111,160
Reggie Jackson $1,329,720
Hasheem Thabeet $1,200,000
Perry Jones $1,082,520
Daniel Orton $916,099
DeAndre Liggins $884,293

So many players on these rookie scale contracts, such a luxury. Got to utilize them while you've got them cause just resigning one or two of them will eat up all the money that Perkins expiring in 2 years will free up...
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(07-11-2013 10:33 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  Kidd as a coach with this roster is a mistake. When you have a win now roster with a title window of 1 year, a rookie coach is not the best option. They need a veteran coach who can balance the egos of the stars on the team and get them all to buy-in.

While Kidd may not have been the best choice, based on conventional wisdom, at least he is coaching a veteran team that has players that know what to do to win. With good assistants, he should be OK.

I hope the Nets can pull it together because they definitely have the talent on paper. If Andre Blatche continues to play well, their bench should really be solid.
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LOL Slim Thug is too ignorant for pitching to Dwight like that. Apparently he wasn't the only one.Chandler Parsons worked overtime to try to get Dwight to Houston, between the efforts of those two everything worked out well.

Quote:“Chandler was relentless,” explained a source close to the situation to FORBES. ”[Chandler] called and texted [Dwight] every day, even face-timed and would answer every question Dwight could potentially have. We would drive to his house in the hills and talk to him. Basically Chandler Parsons recruited him like Nick Saban and a 5-star defensive tackle; they hardly knew each other at beginning of process.”

In May, FORBES noted that Chandler Parsons changed basketball agents, switching from Mark Bartelstein of Priority Sports & Entertainment to Dan Fegan of Relativity Sports. At the time, there was no true indication that the addition of Parsons to Relativity Sports’ client list would have any influence on Howard’s decision making process. In hindsight, it appears that at a minimum it allowed Parsons access to Howard, which may have been a game-changer in bringing Howard to Houston.

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(07-05-2013 07:03 PM)iWin Wrote:  
(07-05-2013 06:03 PM)at350zguyy Wrote:  And very quietly, the surprise move of the NBA offseason is Brad Stevens hiring in Boston. Great hire. Coach Stevens is one of the nicest, most down to earth people in the business. I had the pleasure of speaking to him at the last Butler practice on Sunday. Never saw this move coming.

Almost too nice. Will be very interesting to see if he can coach the likes of Rajon Rondo and Jordan Crawford to name a few on that team.The Celtics are really in for a arduous rebuilding project, luckily for them this upcoming draft is loaded.

As a C's fan, I'm sorry to see PP and KG go, but it was the best move for the organization as well as giving KG/PP another shot at the ring.

Although there is some talk of dealing Rondo, I'm not sure if another team will be willing to pay the price that Danny Ainge will be asking.

After last season's early exit, Celtics needed an overhaul. My hope is that we can rebuild sooner than later.
07-14-2013 10:30 PM
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