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(04-29-2014 04:41 PM)lavidaloca Wrote:  I doubt most of the team would even leave. The reality is most of them probably don't care. While on camera they may talk about what a big deal it is...do you think it really matters to them.

Actually yes it does, the players are fully aware that they help the man get richer.

The Clippers have always made money, but when you have Blake Griffin and Chris Paul on the team, the value of the franchise is much higher.

Let's not act like these people aren't human beings and that their dignity means nothing to them.

If you bust your ass at your job, and you find out your boss has a lot of shit to say, you can't tell me that his words wouldn't affect your desire to continue working for him, and you wouldn't care as long as you get your check.
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(04-29-2014 04:38 PM)kosko Wrote:  
(04-29-2014 02:44 PM)jariel Wrote:  
(04-29-2014 02:18 PM)kosko Wrote:  There is still a legality aspect though. This is America, you can't force a mans property out of his hands. Sterling still owns HIS team. He is banned from the "Association" but the Clippers are still HIS property. He can troll and sit still owning and bleeding money just to make a point. No court can force him to sell his property.

No offense, but you're stating a lot of factually incorrect information as it pertains to this discussion.

You're looking at this from some sort of Constitutional standpoint, but the NBA is it's own entity, and has it's own Constitution and bylaws.

If you read up on that, you'll see that there are clauses in the league's constitution that allow them to do what they're going to do.

Better yet, read recent articles written by Michael McCann and Lester Munson, and you'll become more informed on this particular topic.

You sure? I'm not one whom has just been immersed into sports business drama from this incident. It has been a loose hobby of mine for years now.

The NBA dosnt have Anti-Trust exemptions like baseball which has historically been able to do many things other Corporate structure could never get away with. All the NBA is is a Association of owners whom have a organizational framework (the league) that supports their controlled interests (their franchises), It's no fuking different then the organizational structure McDolnalds grants to its Franchise owners. Go read up on how Al Davis sued the NFL when they tried to dick around with his money and interests and won. The NBA has open wounds just like any other Corp and if they act hostile towards Sterling in response to media pressure, without due process met, then Sterling has every right to sue the shit out of them and keep his franchise.

Banning him from the organizational realm (the league) does not solve the question of what do with his controlled property (the franchise). All the league can do is twist rules to make it harder for him to do business. Such as veto'ing any type of league transaction his under-person makes going forward etc; essentially just making it impossible for the team to function while he still around. Then that would force him to sell. But they have no power to take away property from another man.

Apparently 22 of the 29 owners have to vote "Yes" to force him to sell the team. The NBA's constitution and bylaws aren't public but some snippets have been leaked over the years. From what I have read once 22 owners vote "Yes", the league can take control of the team and find a new owner.

I will say though I am strongly against what he said but I am not comfortable with this man being forced out of his ownership. The thing is the votes of the owners will likely be made public and they will all vote in favor of removing the man due to the fear of the public.

Mark Cuban is as liberal as they come and even he is against the idea of kicking Sterling out but now he will probably vote in favor it as well simply because of the public ramifications.

The whole thing is bizarre and IMO, the league, rest of the owners, Doc, and this woman are all hypocrites. He did and said way worse stuff during his discrimination suit against Blacks and Latinos but no one cared, now this whore goes to TMZ and the media explodes. I will also say for this man, if he is that racist why the fuck would you want to own a team in the NBA anyway? I guess it comes down to that owner mentality of owning the players.

Frankly, I am tired of this shit. Now the entire NBA coverage is being dominated by this asshole and his comments, I just want NBA coverage back. These playoffs are insane.
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I've always thought Donald Sterling was a whiny scumbag but I was shocked at all the grown men shedding tears over an old Jewish guy's mean words. Doc Rivers response was especially Cry

Quote:“We are all doing our best here. Our players are doing their best. There are a lot of people involved in this. From one man's comments, a lot of people have been affected and the conversations that we're all having do need to be had.”

With a leader like that it's not surprise the Clippers came out flat and lost Game 4.

Steve Nash Cry

Quote:"It begs the bigger question: if racism is a learned behaviour, how long will it go on for," Nash continued. "How long will people be taught to be bigoted, to discriminate and to instill hatred in our communities?

KAJ had a more measured and humorous take.

Quote:I hope the Clippers realize that the ramblings of an 80-year-old man jealous of his young girlfriend don’t define who they are as individual players or as a team. They aren’t playing for Sterling—they’re playing for themselves, for the fans, for showing the world that neither basketball, nor our American ideals, are defined by a few pathetic men or women.

The funny thing is that it looks like Donald Sterling was getting heckled by his friends for the appearance that his mistress was banging black athletes. "Oy vey, Donald, that shiksa of yours really is friendly with the schvartzes" Laugh
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(04-29-2014 04:50 PM)jariel Wrote:  
(04-29-2014 04:41 PM)lavidaloca Wrote:  I doubt most of the team would even leave. The reality is most of them probably don't care. While on camera they may talk about what a big deal it is...do you think it really matters to them.

Actually yes it does, the players are fully aware that they help the man get richer.

The Clippers have always made money, but when you have Blake Griffin and Chris Paul on the team, the value of the franchise is much higher.

Let's not act like these people aren't human beings and that their dignity means nothing to them.

If you bust your ass at your job, and you find out your boss has a lot of shit to say, you can't tell me that his words wouldn't affect your desire to continue working for him, and you wouldn't care as long as you get your check.

If I was getting paid the way they are, I'd show up to work with a big fat smile on my face even with a boss who taunted me, swore at me etc. Most people who say otherwise would be lieing. Doc Rivers is getting paid 21 million over 3 years. If I were him I'd damn well be smiling and saying how he hopes everything works out for the best and Donald apologizes for his actions nothing more.

Would you really care what your boss thinks about you if it has no effect whatsoever on your employment status? It's not as if these guys are trying to become the next GM of the Clippers. They are employees at the highest rank in their craft.

At the end of the day it's a business and it's about money. Sure some of them may feel saddened but when next weeks 6 figure pay cheque comes in from none other than Mr. Sterling himself they should feel fine.
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(04-29-2014 04:50 PM)jariel Wrote:  
(04-29-2014 04:41 PM)lavidaloca Wrote:  I doubt most of the team would even leave. The reality is most of them probably don't care. While on camera they may talk about what a big deal it is...do you think it really matters to them.

Actually yes it does, the players are fully aware that they help the man get richer.

The Clippers have always made money, but when you have Blake Griffin and Chris Paul on the team, the value of the franchise is much higher.

Let's not act like these people aren't human beings and that their dignity means nothing to them.

If you bust your ass at your job, and you find out your boss has a lot of shit to say, you can't tell me that his words wouldn't affect your desire to continue working for him, and you wouldn't care as long as you get your check.
They wouldn't be able to put together a real team together. We thought the Sixers were bad this year, but Sterling wouldn't even be able to put together a team that would go 500 in the NBADL.

If everyone is saying something different than what they would actually do then why are we worried about the owner being a piece of shit in the first place? Wouldn't a real piece of shit curse him through the media then sign on the next season to lead the team in salary?
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Forget this NBDL drama shit. National Basketball Drama League.

There are apparently playoff NBA basketball games tonight.

Chicago - Washington

OKC - Memphis

Clippers - Warriors

Fuck yeah basketball!
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(04-29-2014 04:52 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  
(04-29-2014 04:38 PM)kosko Wrote:  
(04-29-2014 02:44 PM)jariel Wrote:  
(04-29-2014 02:18 PM)kosko Wrote:  There is still a legality aspect though. This is America, you can't force a mans property out of his hands. Sterling still owns HIS team. He is banned from the "Association" but the Clippers are still HIS property. He can troll and sit still owning and bleeding money just to make a point. No court can force him to sell his property.

No offense, but you're stating a lot of factually incorrect information as it pertains to this discussion.

You're looking at this from some sort of Constitutional standpoint, but the NBA is it's own entity, and has it's own Constitution and bylaws.

If you read up on that, you'll see that there are clauses in the league's constitution that allow them to do what they're going to do.

Better yet, read recent articles written by Michael McCann and Lester Munson, and you'll become more informed on this particular topic.

You sure? I'm not one whom has just been immersed into sports business drama from this incident. It has been a loose hobby of mine for years now.

The NBA dosnt have Anti-Trust exemptions like baseball which has historically been able to do many things other Corporate structure could never get away with. All the NBA is is a Association of owners whom have a organizational framework (the league) that supports their controlled interests (their franchises), It's no fuking different then the organizational structure McDolnalds grants to its Franchise owners. Go read up on how Al Davis sued the NFL when they tried to dick around with his money and interests and won. The NBA has open wounds just like any other Corp and if they act hostile towards Sterling in response to media pressure, without due process met, then Sterling has every right to sue the shit out of them and keep his franchise.

Banning him from the organizational realm (the league) does not solve the question of what do with his controlled property (the franchise). All the league can do is twist rules to make it harder for him to do business. Such as veto'ing any type of league transaction his under-person makes going forward etc; essentially just making it impossible for the team to function while he still around. Then that would force him to sell. But they have no power to take away property from another man.

Apparently 22 of the 29 owners have to vote "Yes" to force him to sell the team. The NBA's constitution and bylaws aren't public but some snippets have been leaked over the years. From what I have read once 22 owners vote "Yes", the league can take control of the team and find a new owner.

I will say though I am strongly against what he said but I am not comfortable with this man being forced out of his ownership. The thing is the votes of the owners will likely be made public and they will all vote in favor of removing the man due to the fear of the public.

Mark Cuban is as liberal as they come and even he is against the idea of kicking Sterling out but now he will probably vote in favor it as well simply because of the public ramifications.

The whole thing is bizarre and IMO, the league, rest of the owners, Doc, and this woman are all hypocrites. He did and said way worse stuff during his discrimination suit against Blacks and Latinos but no one cared, now this whore goes to TMZ and the media explodes. I will also say for this man, if he is that racist why the fuck would you want to own a team in the NBA anyway? I guess it comes down to that owner mentality of owning the players.

Frankly, I am tired of this shit. Now the entire NBA coverage is being dominated by this asshole and his comments, I just want NBA coverage back. These playoffs are insane.

Thanks.

The NBA 'taking control' means they have to offer Sterling market value for the team which could be $800-million-1$billion. When they bailed out New Orelans it was on the cheap and owner was flat broke. I don't remember that number but it wasn't made public, but public buyers offered $300-400 million I believe and the league balked at those offers being to low so I imagine it was around the $300 million range the league paid for control.

So forcing Sterling to go to market himself would be better for the other owners bottom line. But just as I mentioned the NBA isn't the law of the land and Sterling can likely go to real courts and fight it easily. The NBA has to take this into account. Supposedly a large group of owners still support Sterling and owners wouldn't like hostility on their old partner because it would leave them open to that shot if they found themselves in hot water.

What we don't know yet is on what grounds the league can push the by-law to force sale. Most other leagues, whom all generally share/recycle the same lawyers and execs whom draft these rules, usually push that hand when the owners and team economics are in chaos. And example would be an owner is spinning on fumes and debt and the league forces him to get out and cut his losses. This has happened in Hockey at least 3 times in the last 10 years I believe. Atlanta was forced to sell while New Jersey and Arizona were "taken over" by the NHL league.
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The salary cap should be abolished
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(04-29-2014 06:11 PM)kdolo Wrote:  The salary cap should be abolished

Why, so we can have both a Yankees and Mets in basketball?

Who is ready for that Seattle group to reassemble to pursue the Clippers?
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One thing I've always wondered is how come the NBA and other major American sports are not using the very widespread and successful European models in most team sports with football being the primest example. For example, in all of the football (the Beautiful Game, the Worlds Game, not NFL football), leagues around the world are usually comprised of between 16 to 20 teams where each team meets twice during the year, once at home and once away. Each win is 3 points, a tie game 1 point and a loss no point.

There are usually two ways to end the season and crown the champions. Either by having a pure league format with points being tallied up with the team with the most points crowned as champions. Or it can also have a format of regular season followed by playoffs for the top 8 teams for example.

However, the one major difference between US sports and Euro sports, is that, in each league, not only we have a champion but also, the last 2-4 teams get to be relegated to a lower division which are replaced by the top 2-4 teams from the lower division.

It would be fun to see the relegation/promotion system adopted in the NBA. Why is it that such a popular and highly popular and successful format not being used in US sports?

It would clearly make the season and the games much more interesting. Picture this: teams that are out of play off contention are still fighting to remain in the too flight. Would also make the end of the season much more intense as lower ranked teams will be fighting tooth and nail not to go down as opposed to just laying down as they are now.

In European football, the end of seasons, the fight at the bottom of the table for survival and not going down is as much fascinating if not more than the fight at the top for the title and playoff spots.

Why can't we have this same format also applied in the NBA? It would make the season and specially the end of the regular season infinitely more exciting than it is now, where top teams are resting their stars for the playoffs and the lower teams that are out if playoffs are taking it easy as well thus giving us end of season games devoid of any interest.

Thoughts guys?
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^^ I guess there is no incentive to do that. Why risk being a relegated team and miss out on revenues, etc?

I do like that about soccer (football) but no incentive to do that for any of the owners.

I am curious how they were able to implement the relegation aspect in soccer.

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(04-29-2014 06:46 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  One thing I've always wondered is how come the NBA and other major American sports are not using the very widespread and successful European models in most team sports with football being the primest example. For example, in all of the football (the Beautiful Game, the Worlds Game, not NFL football), leagues around the world are usually comprised of between 16 to 20 teams where each team meets twice during the year, once at home and once away. Each win is 3 points, a tie game 1 point and a loss no point.

There are usually two ways to end the season and crown the champions. Either by having a pure league format with points being tallied up with the team with the most points crowned as champions. Or it can also have a format of regular season followed by playoffs for the top 8 teams for example.

However, the one major difference between US sports and Euro sports, is that, in each league, not only we have a champion but also, the last 2-4 teams get to be relegated to a lower division which are replaced by the top 2-4 teams from the lower division.

It would be fun to see the relegation/promotion system adopted in the NBA. Why is it that such a popular and highly popular and successful format not being used in US sports?

It would clearly make the season and the games much more interesting. Picture this: teams that are out of play off contention are still fighting to remain in the too flight. Would also make the end of the season much more intense as lower ranked teams will be fighting tooth and nail not to go down as opposed to just laying down as they are now.

In European football, the end of seasons, the fight at the bottom of the table for survival and not going down is as much fascinating if not more than the fight at the top for the title and playoff spots.

Why can't we have this same format also applied in the NBA? It would make the season and specially the end of the regular season infinitely more exciting than it is now, where top teams are resting their stars for the playoffs and the lower teams that are out if playoffs are taking it easy as well thus giving us end of season games devoid of any interest.

Thoughts guys?
It's not about US Sports not adopting it. Its more of football/soccer being an exception, as basketball/volleyball/handball leagues all over the world are also using regular season + play-off model. And yes, it also includes all top leagues (Spain, Italy, Russia, Turkey) from this sports in Europe.

Not sure why is this happening this way and how it all started in the past, but football/soccer in basically only team sports where champion is crowned after a regular season.

And even in football/soccer you still have European Cups where simple (2-games tie) play-off model is implemented.

(04-29-2014 06:57 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  ^^ I guess there is no incentive to do that. Why risk being a relegated team and miss out on revenues, etc?

I do like that about soccer (football) but no incentive to do that for any of the owners.

I am curious how they were able to implement the relegation aspect in soccer.
Also, don't know reasoning and backstory for implementing relegation, but it's very strong mechanism here. There are some leagues (like basketball in Poland) where leagues executives are trying to play around team not getting relegated after 1 poor season, but usual fans from all teams are making a lot of noise against decisions like that.

Only soccer/football league where relegation wouldn't be obvious, would be European SuperLeague project - but thanks to huge incomes from Champions League that plan seems to be aborted,
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So, apart from all the NBA race baiting posts...

Did anyone catch the end of that mem/okc game?
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Sir Charles: "What sort of shot is that? Who calls up a 70 foot jump shot?"

What a game.

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(04-29-2014 11:10 PM)Professor Fox Wrote:  So, apart from all the NBA race baiting posts...

Did anyone catch the end of that mem/okc game?

Haha...KD looking like Dirk in 07. Win the MVP and go out in the first round. They could still win game 6 but Allen is exposing KD.

(04-29-2014 11:13 PM)2Wycked Wrote:  Sir Charles: "What sort of shot is that? Who calls up a 70 foot jump shot?"

What a game.

Losing to Memphis might actually be good for OKC in the long-run if Brooks gets fired and they get a good coach.
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(04-29-2014 01:00 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  
(04-28-2014 08:50 PM)2Wycked Wrote:  What the hell *is* wrong with the Pacers?

Pussy destroyed the Pacers!

That's what many rumors are suggesting.. Paul George currently has multiple women pregnant. George and Roy Hibbert had a threesome that got awkward and led to tension between them.

Also, Lance Stevenson and Even Turner recently had a fist fight in practice.

Pussy has destroyed the career of many athletes and teams.

Some of you guys will remember that in the mid 1990's -- A promising, young Dallas Mavericks team was destroyed because of infighting and jealousy over the R&B star Toni Braxton.

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(04-28-2014 11:33 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  What about that Monta Ellis? He's changed man.

He has certainly matured as a player.

He has averaged over 19 points a game for the past 7 seasons, he could always score the ball. Where he has improved is in his shot selection and willingness to pass.

Quote:Donald Sterling

His real name is Donald Tokowitz.

He has been strange for a long time. He doesn't like Black people but he bought an NBA team and dates a Black woman. Supposedly, he has also donated a lot of money to the Democratic Party.

Seems kind of crazy to me.

RE Monta Ellis: His teammates have changed. He also has top coaching and a top management team. I think he's always had this in him. The guy was always underrated in my book. Played for the Warriors while they were for sale, then the Bucks while they were for sale.
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Who would you guys rather have, Jamal Crawford or Monta Ellis?
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(04-30-2014 12:07 AM)Rotisserie Wrote:  Who would you guys rather have, Jamal Crawford or Monta Ellis?

Depends what I am looking for. If I am looking for a good bench player, Crawford.

If I am looking for a ball handler who can give me 15-20 PPG when needed and I can control him as the 3rd option on a championship team I will take Ellis.
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Crawford is one of the best pure scorers in the game even as a bench rider. He will get his numbers regardless if he starts or gets called in.
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Wizards will make the conference finals.

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(d) Fail or refuse to fulfill its contractual obligations to the Association, its Members, Players, or any other third party in such a way as to affect the Association or its Members adversely. (e) Wager or countenance wagering by its officers or employees on any game in which a Team operated by a Member of the Association participates.

(f) Willfully permit open betting, pool selling, or any other form of gambling upon any premises owned, leased, or otherwise controlled by the Member or an Owner, except, subject to Article 8(a), for gambling activities that are lawful in the applicable jurisdiction and do not involve in any way, directly or indirectly, gambling with respect to any aspect of the Association’s games, events, property, players, or other personnel.

(g) Offer, agree, conspire, or attempt to lose or control the score of any game participated in by a Team operated by a Member of the Association, or fail to suspend immediately any officer or any Player or other employee of the Member who shall be found guilty, in a court of law or in any hearing sanctioned by this Constitution and By- Laws, of offering, agreeing, conspiring, or attempting to lose or control the score of any such game or of being interested in any pool or wager on any game in which a Team operated by a Member of the Association participates.

(h) Disband its Team during the Season, dissolve its business, or cease its operation.

(i) Willfully fail to present its Team at the time and place it is scheduled to play in an Exhibition, Regular Season, or Playoff Game.

(j) Willfully misrepresent any material fact contained in its application for Membership in the Association.

ARTICLE 14
PROCEDURE FOR TERMINATION


The Membership of a Member or the interest of any Owner shall be terminated on the occurrence of any of the events described in Article 13 by the following procedure:

(a) Any Member of the Association or the Commissioner may charge that a Member or Owner has violated one (1) or more of the provisions of Article 13. Said charge shall be made in Writing and shall be filed with the Commissioner, who shall, no later than three (3) business days after the charges are filed, cause a copy thereof to be served by a Writing upon the Member or Owner against whom such charges have been made. (b) The Member or Owner so charged shall, within five (5) days after receipt of the charges, file with the Commissioner its written answer thereto. The Commissioner shall thereupon transmit said charges and answer to each of the Governors of the Association and shall call a special meeting of the Governors to hear the charges, to be held on a date not more than ten (10) days after the filing of a Member’s or Owner’s answer, due notice to be given.

© Willful failure by a Member or Owner so charged to answer the charges during such five (5) day period or to appear at the hearing shall be deemed an admission by said Member or Owner of the total validity of the charges as presented.

(d) At such hearing, the Chairman of the Board of Governors shall be the presiding officer, except that if the Chairman of the Board of Governors represents either the complaining Member or the Member charged, then the Commissioner shall designate an alternate Chairman for purposes of the hearing.

(e) At the hearing, the Member or Owner so charged shall have the right to be represented by counsel. Strict rules of evidence shall not apply, and all relevant and material evidence submitted prior to and at the hearing may be received and considered.

(f) After duly considering all the evidence, the Board of Governors shall vote upon the proposition that the charges have been sustained in whole or in part. The affirmative vote of three-fourths (3/4) of all the Governors shall be required to sustain the charges.

(g) If, by a three-fourths (3/4) vote, the Board of Governors votes to sustain the charges, the Membership of the guilty Member or the Member in which the guilty Owner has an interest shall automatically be terminated, unless, following a motion duly made and seconded, two-thirds (2/3) of all the Governors vote instead to terminate the ownership interest of the guilty Owner or to invoke the provisions of Article 15. (h) Notwithstanding Article 14(g) above, in the case of a violation of Article 13 by an Owner who has an interest of ten percent (10%) or less in, and does not have effective control over, a Member, the Membership of such Member may not be terminated solely because of such Owner’s violation. In such case, if the charges are sustained against such Owner by a three-fourths (3/4) vote of the Board of Governors, the ownership interest of that Owner shall be automatically terminated unless, following a motion duly made and seconded, twothirds (2/3) of all the Governors vote to invoke the provisions of Article 15.

(i) If any Membership or interest of an Owner shall be terminated pursuant to this Article 14, the provisions of Article 14A shall apply.

(j) The decisions of the Association made in accordance with the foregoing procedure shall be final, binding, and conclusive, and each Member and Owner waives any and all recourse to any court of law to review any such decision.

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(04-29-2014 06:46 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  However, the one major difference between US sports and Euro sports, is that, in each league, not only we have a champion but also, the last 2-4 teams get to be relegated to a lower division which are replaced by the top 2-4 teams from the lower division.

It would be fun to see the relegation/promotion system adopted in the NBA. Why is it that such a popular and highly popular and successful format not being used in US sports?

Europeans have a different sporting culture that is more community oriented. This is what allows them to sustain a pro/rel system in football: when a club like Wolverhampton or Crystal Palace goes down, you can count on their still being able to sustain a large fanbase and following in the lower league. It is also what allows these second tiers to remain fairly well funded (seven figure salaries are common n the English second tier, for example), making the pro/rel aspect feasible.

Americans, meanwhile, do not have clubs - they have franchises. They root for their teams passionately, but are not interested in second tier sports. There is no precedent for widespread support of second-tier professional sports in the USA. As popular as American football is, no second tier league has been particularly successful (the original AFL broke and is now semi-pro, the NFL's own NFL-Europe project failed, USFL failed, UFL failed, etc). The tiers below the NHL, MLB and NBA are more stable but still small - all exist in small markets and none of them pay big. Their dedicated fanbases are tiny.

There is no American equivalent to a French Ligue 2 or Bundesliga 2 in any professional sport. Why? American sports culture just doesn't have room for it, and thus second tiers never get enough fanfare or financial support to exist outside of small markets. This helps to make pro/rel unfeasible, since you need strong lower tiers to make that model work. Europe has these - America never will. American investors/owners wont support pro/rel even in American soccer (MLS will never have this system) because they understand the financial realities associated with what I said above. Nobody is going to invest in a franchise that might "go down" to a lower tier because they understand that such a demotion would annihilate their investment.

There are practical constraints as well. America is massive, much larger than any individual European nation and actually more than twice the size of the entire EU. When 2 or 3 clubs leave the EPL and 2 or 3 more are promoted from the Championship, it doesn't make much of a difference in terms of travel costs and the like. When that kind of thing happens in the US, it is a different story. You could end up with one or two teams separated from the rest of the league by thousands of miles, greatly increasing travel costs and impacting the bottomline. The franchise system makes sense in a nation as big as the USA.

Profitability is a factor too. The franchise system has a better moneymaking track record than the pro/rel club system. Take a look at Forbes’ most recent list of the world’s 50 most valuable sports teams. You'll notice that the National Football League runs the list: there are 32 NFL franchises, and 30 of them are in the top 50. How many clubs does the mighty EPL (the most popular and financially successful soccer league on Earth) put on this list? Three: Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea. That is all.
The Bundesliga gives us Bayern Munich, and that’s it. Serie A gives us Milan. La Liga gives us the expected Barca and Real Madrid.

The NFL’s Oakland Raiders are a mediocre franchise by all measures. They’ve not been truly good since 2002, and rarely make the playoffs. Their front office has been dysfunctional for years under the guidance and ownership of Al Davis, and they play in an antiquated stadium.
This dysfunctional NFL franchise is worth more than Tottenham, Liverpool, Man City, Everton, Atletico Madrid, Roma, Juventus, Inter, PSG and any other major football club you can think of that was not mentioned above.
The EPL put only 3 clubs on this list. The NBA matches that and MLB more than doubles it. The NHL has as many teams on this list as Serie A or the Bundesliga.

What does this tell us? America’s franchise system is remarkably good at building wealth and creating financially well-off teams throughout its organization. More specifically, it tells us that this American style franchise system works really well in America. It agrees with American sports culture, and it is a highly effective way to make money out of it. Pro/rel cannot offer the profitability and stability that the franchise system offers, and that is a big reason why you'll never see it in the USA.
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(04-29-2014 03:38 PM)lavidaloca Wrote:  I just read up on the Alexandra Castro thing, I didn't realize this wasn't the first time he'd been caught with a mistress. While it would seem they are tricking him, I'd say it's just as much the other way around. He probably spends 1% of what he makes annually on these girls.

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