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I guess this one will provoke some serious media "debate" over next few days and I see NBA fining/suspending Blake for it:





Of course if he would do it to female he would be suspended for 25 games already.
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I mean, that's pretty fucked up to hoe a grown man like that.
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Did anyone see Klay Thompson go full ssj4 last night??

37pts in the one quarter on 13/13 shots and 9/9 three pointers? When I played NBA 2K back in the day, I couldn't get 35 for the entire game with KG in his prime!!

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Do you hear that?

That's the sound of every critic slagging the Warriors for not trading Klay for Kevin Love backpedaling.
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I don't know who is gonna beat this Warriors team man...

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On the business side of the NBA, Forbes lists the Los Angeles Lakers as the most financially important NBA franchise for 2015.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhau...billion-2/

1. Los Angeles Lakers, US$2.6B
2. New York Knicks, US$2.5B
3. Chicago Bulls, US$2B
4. Boston Celtics, US$1.7B
5. Los Angeles Clippers, US$1.6B
6. Brooklyn Nets, US$1.5B
7. Golden State Warriors, US$1.3B
8. Houston Rockets, US$1.25B
9. Miami Heat, US$1.175B
10.Dallas Mavericks, US$1.15B
11.San Antonio Spurs, US$1B

12.Portland Trail Blazers, US$940M
13.Oklahoma City Thunder, US$930M
14.Toronto Raptors, US$920M
15.Cleveland Cavaliers, US$915M
16.Phoenix Suns, US$910M
17.Washington Wizards, US$900M
18.Orlando Magic, US$875M
19.Denver Nuggets, US$855M
20.Utah Jazz, US$850M
21.Indiana Pacers, US$830M
22.Atlanta Hawks, US$825M
23.Detroit Pistons, US$810M
24.Sacramento Kings, US$800M
25.Memphis Grizzlies, US$750M
26.Charlotte Hornets, US$725M
27.Philadelphia 76ers, US$700M
28.New Orleans Pelicans, US$650M
29.Minnesota Timberwolves, US$625M
30.Milwaukee Bucks, US$600M
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No way in hell Oaklahoma City is worth more than the Raptors. No way in hell the Spurs are worth $1Billion. Both those spots are boon town markets. Forbes pulls these numbers out of thier ass.
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(02-02-2015 02:40 AM)kosko Wrote:  No way in hell Oaklahoma City is worth more than the Raptors. No way in hell the Spurs are worth $1Billion. Both those spots are boon town markets. Forbes pulls these numbers out of thier ass.

TV deals; Thunder and Spurs both have TV deals with Fox Sports RSNs.
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(02-02-2015 02:40 AM)kosko Wrote:  No way in hell Oaklahoma City is worth more than the Raptors. No way in hell the Spurs are worth $1Billion. Both those spots are boon town markets. Forbes pulls these numbers out of thier ass.

As of right now OKC may well be worth more than the Raptors because they have two legit superstars on their roster. If KD and/or Westbrook leave then OKC will be pretty much irrelevant but right now they definitely have more brand recognition than the Raptors. The Spurs are again probably worth that much to some rich billionaire because of Pop and Duncan. If you are a rich billionaire are you buying the Raps or the Spurs with Pop as your Belichick there? I would probably go with the Spurs, inherit the 5 titles, keep Pop and try to win more titles.

Plus, with the national TV deal and regional TV deals owners can't lie about losing money anymore.
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I challenge number 4 rating for the C's. Even if you account for the TV deals, Boston Celtics are one of the marquee franchises that have significant amount of intangible value attached and will definitely be reflected if they are ever sold.
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Sonsowey,

You still think OKC are going to make the playoffs?
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(02-02-2015 08:22 AM)BostonBMW Wrote:  I challenge number 4 rating for the C's. Even if you account for the TV deals, Boston Celtics are one of the marquee franchises that have significant amount of intangible value attached and will definitely be reflected if they are ever sold.

Objectively speaking, Boston is not the 2nd-most populated city in the East Coast, but I do admit it has one of the most vocal media markets as part of the "East Coast Bias". Yes, I pertain to the same East Coast Bias that designated Connecticut as "Middle Earth" for everything NY vs Boston.

Yes, I do admit the Celtics carried the league for three decades, even though the Lakers were the NBA's first-EVER dynasty and even Jerry West is the NBA logo; Los Angeles has a bigger population and media market size compared to Boston, while the Lakers are Los Angeles' 1st-EVER sports dynasty it has at the same level the Yankees own New York and the Red Sox own New England. In addition, the Patriots have been burying the Celtics within the New England pro sports scene recently.

Finally, the Lakers are the only NBA franchise to have dynasties literally before AND after Michael Jordan.
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(02-02-2015 08:22 AM)BostonBMW Wrote:  I challenge number 4 rating for the C's. Even if you account for the TV deals, Boston Celtics are one of the marquee franchises that have significant amount of intangible value attached and will definitely be reflected if they are ever sold.
For real, no one upstairs in Boston is picking up the phone until the conversation starts at 2.5B.
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(02-02-2015 08:22 AM)BostonBMW Wrote:  I challenge number 4 rating for the C's. Even if you account for the TV deals, Boston Celtics are one of the marquee franchises that have significant amount of intangible value attached and will definitely be reflected if they are ever sold.

Boston is a marquee franchise but it's NOT more marquee than the Knicks or Bulls or Lakers. All 4 franchises would fetch more than the number suggested by Forbes.
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(02-02-2015 04:41 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  
(02-02-2015 08:22 AM)BostonBMW Wrote:  I challenge number 4 rating for the C's. Even if you account for the TV deals, Boston Celtics are one of the marquee franchises that have significant amount of intangible value attached and will definitely be reflected if they are ever sold.

Boston is a marquee franchise but it's NOT more marquee than the Knicks or Bulls or Lakers. All 4 franchises would fetch more than the number suggested by Forbes.

Celtics don't carry Boston the same way the Yankees own New York, Red Sox own Boston, Lakers own Los Angeles, 49ers own San Francisco and even then, all four franchises are their respective cities' first-EVER sports dynasties.

1912-15-16-18 Boston Red Sox
1936-37-38-39 New York Yankees
1980-82-85-87-88 Los Angeles Lakers
1981-84-88-89 San Francisco 49ers
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(02-02-2015 05:00 PM)Tim in real life Wrote:  
(02-02-2015 04:41 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  
(02-02-2015 08:22 AM)BostonBMW Wrote:  I challenge number 4 rating for the C's. Even if you account for the TV deals, Boston Celtics are one of the marquee franchises that have significant amount of intangible value attached and will definitely be reflected if they are ever sold.

Boston is a marquee franchise but it's NOT more marquee than the Knicks or Bulls or Lakers. All 4 franchises would fetch more than the number suggested by Forbes.

Celtics don't carry Boston the same way the Yankees own New York, Red Sox own Boston, Lakers own Los Angeles, 49ers own San Francisco and even then, all four franchises are their respective cities' first-EVER sports dynasties.

1912-15-16-18 Boston Red Sox
1936-37-38-39 New York Yankees
1980-82-85-87-88 Los Angeles Lakers
1981-84-88-89 San Francisco 49ers

LOL

I just edited my post and left out a key word. Take a look again.

Point is yeah, Celtics are not more marquee than the Lakers/Bulls/Knicks. While Russell is on the NBA's player Mount Rushmore, the Celtics are now running on their history. They won the title in 08 and are in a big city but the Lakers and Knicks play in the two biggest media markets in the world and the Bulls have had MJ plus they are also arguably a bigger media market than Boston.
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Blackwell, I honestly do not know. Okc is playing like garbage now but I would not be surprised to see KD and Westbrook shape up and sneak in.

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(02-02-2015 03:40 PM)Tim in real life Wrote:  
(02-02-2015 08:22 AM)BostonBMW Wrote:  I challenge number 4 rating for the C's. Even if you account for the TV deals, Boston Celtics are one of the marquee franchises that have significant amount of intangible value attached and will definitely be reflected if they are ever sold.

Objectively speaking, Boston is not the 2nd-most populated city in the East Coast, but I do admit it has one of the most vocal media markets as part of the "East Coast Bias". Yes, I pertain to the same East Coast Bias that designated Connecticut as "Middle Earth" for everything NY vs Boston.

Yes, I do admit the Celtics carried the league for three decades, even though the Lakers were the NBA's first-EVER dynasty and even Jerry West is the NBA logo; Los Angeles has a bigger population and media market size compared to Boston, while the Lakers are Los Angeles' 1st-EVER sports dynasty it has at the same level the Yankees own New York and the Red Sox own New England. In addition, the Patriots have been burying the Celtics within the New England pro sports scene recently.

Finally, the Lakers are the only NBA franchise to have dynasties literally before AND after Michael Jordan.

I think that you make some good points about the Lakers. If we base the parameters on the city's population, media market, then LA/NYC will be top dawgs. However this valuation ranking is flawed because it is based on a faulty model that does not account for intangible value, market dynamics, etc.

To highlight an example from the same article:

Quote:And sometimes the numbers just don’t matter. Steve Ballmer offered to buy the Clippers in June last year in a frenzied sales process after the release of audio recordings of former Clippers owner Donald Sterling making racist remarks in his home. At a finance conference this fall, Pierce O’Donnell, the lawyer for Sterling’s wife Shelly, told the audience that Ballmer never looked at the Clippers’ financials before his bid. The former Microsoft MSFT +2.14% CEO originally offered $1.8 billion and was told by Sterling’s people that $2 billion would seal the deal. Ballmer never hesitated. An extra $200 million is a drop in the bucket when your net worth is $22 billion.

We value the Clippers at $1.6 billion, as Ballmer would likely be hard-pressed to get $2 billion on the open market. He paid 14 times the Clippers 2013-14 revenue and the next two highest bids for the team were $1.6 billion and $1.2 billion. While Ballmer likely overpaid, the reality is that franchises in big markets are getting valued at significant premiums to the typical team.

The fact that Steve Ballmer paid $2B for the Clippers shows that the premium, whether justified or not, very much exists. I mean this is the Clippers we're talking about! Timing (no other NBA franchise on the block due to the Sterling fiasco) and interest (Ballmer's $22B+ net worth) sealed the deal.

My point here is not that Celtics are worth more than the Lakers, it is the neglect for the motivations of the would be buyers. If the C's were for sale right now, I can tell you that they would commanding a higher price than the $1.7B, with a good chance that they would exceed this Lakers valuation.

I guess the only interesting time would be to see if the top 4 teams were for sale around the same time (highly unlikely) -- however I can assure you that there would be significant number of buyers willing to overpay for the C's (even in their current dismal state).
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I'm a Celtics fan but I can't watch right now. I watched them suck my whole life (I'm 27) up until the Garnett deal and now it appears they're gonna suck for another 10 years, because Ainge is a terrible GM. The first time around I watched them even though they sucked but I was a kid back then, I don't have time to watch a tanking team now.
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(02-02-2015 08:22 AM)BostonBMW Wrote:  I challenge number 4 rating for the C's. Even if you account for the TV deals, Boston Celtics are one of the marquee franchises that have significant amount of intangible value attached and will definitely be reflected if they are ever sold.

It's worth noting that even though Boston and Massachusetts on their own aren't that big, much of New England is by default Celtics nation because it's the only team around.
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(02-02-2015 04:17 PM)dads Wrote:  
(02-02-2015 08:22 AM)BostonBMW Wrote:  I challenge number 4 rating for the C's. Even if you account for the TV deals, Boston Celtics are one of the marquee franchises that have significant amount of intangible value attached and will definitely be reflected if they are ever sold.
For real, no one upstairs in Boston is picking up the phone until the conversation starts at 2.5B.

Exactly my point. Although this is a puff piece on the Globe, I really do wish they disclosed the amounts of the "two serious offers":

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/1...story.html
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(02-02-2015 04:41 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  
(02-02-2015 08:22 AM)BostonBMW Wrote:  I challenge number 4 rating for the C's. Even if you account for the TV deals, Boston Celtics are one of the marquee franchises that have significant amount of intangible value attached and will definitely be reflected if they are ever sold.

Boston is a marquee franchise but it's NOT more marquee than the Knicks or Bulls or Lakers. All 4 franchises would fetch more than the number suggested by Forbes.

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This pretty much encapsulates my point. I am not arguing that Celtics are worth more than the other three teams, but rather the fact they are a marquee team that fetch a strong premium.

Actually after putting up my earlier post, I would LOVE to see all 4 teams on the block at the same time, that would be a true test of their market value. All will exceed $2.5B in the current economic climate.
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(02-02-2015 04:41 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  
(02-02-2015 08:22 AM)BostonBMW Wrote:  I challenge number 4 rating for the C's. Even if you account for the TV deals, Boston Celtics are one of the marquee franchises that have significant amount of intangible value attached and will definitely be reflected if they are ever sold.

Boston is a marquee franchise but it's NOT more marquee than the Knicks or Bulls or Lakers. All 4 franchises would fetch more than the number suggested by Forbes.

Celtics don't carry Boston the same way the Yankees own New York, Red Sox own Boston, Lakers own Los Angeles, 49ers own San Francisco and even then, all four franchises are their respective cities' first-EVER sports dynasties.

1912-15-16-18 Boston Red Sox
1936-37-38-39 New York Yankees
1980-82-85-87-88 Los Angeles Lakers
1981-84-88-89 San Francisco 49ers

LOL

I just edited my post and left out a key word. Take a look again.

Point is yeah, Celtics are not more marquee than the Lakers/Bulls/Knicks. While Russell is on the NBA's player Mount Rushmore, the Celtics are now running on their history. They won the title in 08 and are in a big city but the Lakers and Knicks play in the two biggest media markets in the world and the Bulls have had MJ plus they are also arguably a bigger media market than Boston.

I think we need to separate out current team performance with elite level status. If we go based on the current performance then none of the top 4 teams are performing well right now.

I don't think the Celtics are running on their past history alone -- there will be a number of moves that will be made in the next 3-5 years and you can't discount a resurrection of a new dynasty. I'm definitely biased as C's fan, however there is a tradition of winning here.
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(02-02-2015 05:33 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  I'm a Celtics fan but I can't watch right now. I watched them suck my whole life (I'm 27) up until the Garnett deal and now it appears they're gonna suck for another 10 years, because Ainge is a terrible GM. The first time around I watched them even though they sucked but I was a kid back then, I don't have time to watch a tanking team now.

I was at the Heat game yesterday afternoon (took a girl to her first Celtics game, she talked about herself and her 'style') and it was BRUTAL both on and off the court. The rookies could not get it together. Also half of the Garden was rocking Patriots jerseys, getting ready for the Superbowl.

I am on the fence with Danny -- the fact that we blew up the team and got these draft picks better yield results in 3-5 instead of 10 years.
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(02-02-2015 05:35 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  
(02-02-2015 08:22 AM)BostonBMW Wrote:  I challenge number 4 rating for the C's. Even if you account for the TV deals, Boston Celtics are one of the marquee franchises that have significant amount of intangible value attached and will definitely be reflected if they are ever sold.

It's worth noting that even though Boston and Massachusetts on their own aren't that big, much of New England is by default Celtics nation because it's the only team around.

Precisely. I am not how accurate this map might be: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/...0002&abg=0

However it supports what you're saying about the regional effect.
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