Post: #26

(03-30-2013 09:17 PM)Icarus Wrote:  I have no problem with women in combat. Just as long as there's segregation by gender.

So, they should form female battalions, and they should operate independently from male battalions. Women-only infantry units should rely on women-only logistics, women-only air support, and women-only medevac helicopters.

Once we start hearing stories of all-women infantry platoons being slaughtered, once we see images of their bloodied corpses on Al Jazeera, I will be curious to see if them female "warriors" are still interested in playing soldier.

Heck, this could even be beneficial to society: it would remove seriously demented females from the gene pool before they procreate.

And we should also have the draft for women just like men.

Post: #27

When war breaks out, we should draft and send women out first to "correct historical imbalances and sexism that ensure men die on the battlefield more frequently than women for centuries".

Post: #28

(03-30-2013 09:09 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 08:40 PM)MidniteSpecial Wrote:  "Well I'm not surprised that shit is hard as fuck 4 anyone, but I also think that just cuz u can run fast & do a million pull ups doesn't really help u in combat, u can b strong & physically fit but if u r put in certain circumstances when shit goes down in war u don't know how u will react & who is to say the guy with the best pft score won't freeze up & run away or whatever. & they act like woman never been I'm combat b4...not true I was on the front lines leading infantry patrols cuz I had a specialty job, it's just certain "jobs" females were never allowed to go 4. But to say that just cuz a chick can't do 30 pull-ups doesn't say that she won't react & save ur ass when shit gets real out in war."

I texted that article to my home girl who has a Purple Heart. She actually was out in Iraq. That's her response.

The hamster is strong in your girl. I would estimate less than 1 out of 1000 females will refrain from panicking at the sound of gunfire.

And of course there is no reason to think physical inferiority somehow results in women being less likely to panic. I assume the training process is designed to get people who are both mentally and physically strong. If women can't meet the latter, I'm not sure how it is relevant some can satisfy the former.

Post: #29

(03-30-2013 09:09 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 08:40 PM)MidniteSpecial Wrote:  "Well I'm not surprised that shit is hard as fuck 4 anyone, but I also think that just cuz u can run fast & do a million pull ups doesn't really help u in combat, u can b strong & physically fit but if u r put in certain circumstances when shit goes down in war u don't know how u will react & who is to say the guy with the best pft score won't freeze up & run away or whatever. & they act like woman never been I'm combat b4...not true I was on the front lines leading infantry patrols cuz I had a specialty job, it's just certain "jobs" females were never allowed to go 4. But to say that just cuz a chick can't do 30 pull-ups doesn't say that she won't react & save ur ass when shit gets real out in war."

I texted that article to my home girl who has a Purple Heart. She actually was out in Iraq. That's her response.

The hamster is strong in your girl. I would estimate less than 1 out of 1000 females will refrain from panicking at the sound of gunfire.

I agree. Yes her hamster is strong. She's my wing Sometimes. She looks good too. She can't find a guy though and is looking.

Panicking and females go hand and hand.

Post: #30

(03-30-2013 09:45 PM)Lemmo Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 09:09 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 08:40 PM)MidniteSpecial Wrote:  "Well I'm not surprised that shit is hard as fuck 4 anyone, but I also think that just cuz u can run fast & do a million pull ups doesn't really help u in combat, u can b strong & physically fit but if u r put in certain circumstances when shit goes down in war u don't know how u will react & who is to say the guy with the best pft score won't freeze up & run away or whatever. & they act like woman never been I'm combat b4...not true I was on the front lines leading infantry patrols cuz I had a specialty job, it's just certain "jobs" females were never allowed to go 4. But to say that just cuz a chick can't do 30 pull-ups doesn't say that she won't react & save ur ass when shit gets real out in war."

I texted that article to my home girl who has a Purple Heart. She actually was out in Iraq. That's her response.

The hamster is strong in your girl. I would estimate less than 1 out of 1000 females will refrain from panicking at the sound of gunfire.

And of course there is no reason to think physical inferiority somehow results in women being less likely to panic. I assume the training process is designed to get people who are both mentally and physically strong. If women can't meet the latter, I'm not sure how it is relevant some can satisfy the former.

She went on to tell me it was very weird at first because all the guys never had a woman in their infantry. They didn't want to change and of their behaviors to cater to a female presence. But once they realized she was cool with them saying whatever they wanted and she proved she had no fear she was accepted as if she was "one of the boys."

Post: #31

(03-30-2013 09:36 PM)Hades Wrote:  When war breaks out, we should draft and send women out first to "correct historical imbalances and sexism that ensure men die on the battlefield more frequently than women for centuries".

How that would go down:

"Women can now serve in military combat, just like men. You go, girl!"



"Breaking News: President Tuthmosis has announced that--in an effort to have today's military more accurately reflect the demographics of America as well as continue to empower women toward the eventual goal of true equality--women will be subject to the new Military Draft Law recently passed by Congress."

   

"Dear Ms. Lindsey Smith: You will report for basic training at 0600 hours at Fort Pyramid next Monday. After completing your training there, you will serve your country in the on-going conflict in Whateverstan."

Post: #32

There's that expression be careful what you wish for.........ohhhhh, they should put women on the front lines. This will end this equality discussion for good when they realize the reality of war.

Post: #33

Women have been allowed to serve in all roles the German Armed Forces since 2001 following a court decision. Before the court decision, women were only allowed to serve as medics or musicians. Now let's take a look how the ladies are doing at the German version of OCS:

Post: #34

^^^Does that lump of a woman have any training at all?

Post: #35

(03-30-2013 08:51 PM)Lemmo Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 08:01 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 07:46 PM)houston Wrote:  Why are these women so obsessed with this type of shit? You would think they would be smart enough to sit back and not complain while guys do the dirty work.

Did women 50 years ago even want to be on the battlefield? It's like anything men do, even if it's something shitty they want to do it too just to prove their equality. They constantly got something to prove.

I think Western women are basically bored and must constantly come up with new battles to fight and new frontiers to cross just to say they did it lest they get restless.

Have you ever taken care of a child? They want to do what they see the adults doing because they aren't smart enough to appreciate their limitations. It is the same case here. The problem isn't women or their inferiority. It is men wanting to pretend women are equal and changing society to support this delusion. I'm sure I could give a 10 year old keys to the car and he'd try to drive it. The resulting accident would be my fault not his.

Post: #36

(03-31-2013 09:17 AM)vandrare Wrote:  Women have been allowed to serve in all roles the German Armed Forces since 2001 following a court decision. Before the court decision, women were only allowed to serve as medics or musicians. Now let's take a look how the ladies are doing at the German version of OCS:

They are even helping her IN ADVANCE!!!!

Post: #37

(03-30-2013 08:40 PM)MidniteSpecial Wrote:  "Well I'm not surprised that shit is hard as fuck 4 anyone, but I also think that just cuz u can run fast & do a million pull ups doesn't really help u in combat, u can b strong & physically fit but if u r put in certain circumstances when shit goes down in war u don't know how u will react & who is to say the guy with the best pft score won't freeze up & run away or whatever. & they act like woman never been I'm combat b4...not true I was on the front lines leading infantry patrols cuz I had a specialty job, it's just certain "jobs" females were never allowed to go 4. But to say that just cuz a chick can't do 30 pull-ups doesn't say that she won't react & save ur ass when shit gets real out in war."

I texted that article to my home girl who has a Purple Heart. She actually was out in Iraq. That's her response.

If this actually happened as she says then it'd be a first for the US military. We would have heard about her on endless AFN commercials and full page articles in Stars and Stripes during women's history month, like we do with Leign Ann Hester or Monica Lin Brown. I think your girl is greatly exaggerating her wartime experiences, particularly since she doesn't think that strength and conditioning are vitally important for infantry operations... she probably hasn't actually been on them.

Post: #38

The sad part is, those female Marines are still tougher than 90% of the guys on this thread.

Post: #39

Admittedly, I wouldn't wanna be infantry. I'm 26 and I already feel too old for that.

Largely, I wouldn't want to risk the injuries.

Post: #40

(03-31-2013 07:17 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  The sad part is, those female Marines are still tougher than 90% of the guys on this thread.

Not to mention much dumber and probably ignorant trash.

Post: #41

(03-31-2013 11:20 PM)megatron Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 07:17 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  The sad part is, those female Marines are still tougher than 90% of the guys on this thread.

Not to mention much dumber and probably ignorant trash.

I get the feeling you would need an ASVAB waiver to join.

Post: #42

(03-31-2013 11:23 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 11:20 PM)megatron Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 07:17 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  The sad part is, those female Marines are still tougher than 90% of the guys on this thread.

Not to mention much dumber and probably ignorant trash.

I get the feeling you would need an ASVAB waiver to join.

Yes, I took it in High School and the Army recruiter told me that I'd be perfect for the position of "Cannon Fodder and Indentured Servant for US and Israeli Politicians."

Post: #43

(03-31-2013 11:30 PM)megatron Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 11:23 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 11:20 PM)megatron Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 07:17 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  The sad part is, those female Marines are still tougher than 90% of the guys on this thread.

Not to mention much dumber and probably ignorant trash.

I get the feeling you would need an ASVAB waiver to join.

Yes, I took it in High School and the Army recruiter told me that I'd be perfect for the position of "Cannon Fodder and Indentured Servant for US and Israeli Politicians."

Chicken Hawk. Lolz.

Post: #44

(03-30-2013 07:28 PM)Kingsley Davis Wrote:  2/10 WNB.

At least they are not fat....

Post: #45

(04-01-2013 09:15 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 07:28 PM)Kingsley Davis Wrote:  2/10 WNB.

At least they are not fat....

You gotta realize too that bootcamp is hard on anyone. Lack of sleep, rapid weight loss, muscle gain, confusion, fear, ect. These recruits aren't wearing makeup, had their hair chopped off, and so forth. I may not like it either, but they are still on the ground earning the right to wear the EGA, and I won't stand for some pompous little shit like megatron being disrespectful of my beloved organization. Women or not.

Post: #46

(03-31-2013 05:51 PM)hazara Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 08:40 PM)MidniteSpecial Wrote:  "Well I'm not surprised that shit is hard as fuck 4 anyone, but I also think that just cuz u can run fast & do a million pull ups doesn't really help u in combat, u can b strong & physically fit but if u r put in certain circumstances when shit goes down in war u don't know how u will react & who is to say the guy with the best pft score won't freeze up & run away or whatever. & they act like woman never been I'm combat b4...not true I was on the front lines leading infantry patrols cuz I had a specialty job, it's just certain "jobs" females were never allowed to go 4. But to say that just cuz a chick can't do 30 pull-ups doesn't say that she won't react & save ur ass when shit gets real out in war."

I texted that article to my home girl who has a Purple Heart. She actually was out in Iraq. That's her response.

If this actually happened as she says then it'd be a first for the US military. We would have heard about her on endless AFN commercials and full page articles in Stars and Stripes during women's history month, like we do with Leign Ann Hester or Monica Lin Brown. I think your girl is greatly exaggerating her wartime experiences, particularly since she doesn't think that strength and conditioning are vitally important for infantry operations... she probably hasn't actually been on them.

I'm an active duty 0311, and I never heard of a female Marine being a patrol leader or assistant patrol leader ever. Maybe it's different in the army, but if this chick has a 'speciality' MOS and she's going out on a patrol for whatever reason she'd most likely be attached to the squad going out, and not actually leading it.

Or maybe she's doing some high speed MARSOC/Delta Ranger Seal Force shit and i'm just a dumb shit kicker on the ground, who knows?

Post: #47

I don't think in the history of the world there has ever been a large number of women out in front killing and getting killed. Society would not allow it because women are more valuable than men, but no one ever talks about THAT female privilege.

Post: #48

I bet the young men in Europe forced to fight in the trenches during the World War 1 felt really special

Post: #49

(04-01-2013 03:55 PM)A War You Cannot Win Wrote:  I'm an active duty 0311, and I never heard of a female Marine being a patrol leader or assistant patrol leader ever. Maybe it's different in the army, but if this chick has a 'speciality' MOS and she's going out on a patrol for whatever reason she'd most likely be attached to the squad going out, and not actually leading it.

Or maybe she's doing some high speed MARSOC/Delta Ranger Seal Force shit and i'm just a dumb shit kicker on the ground, who knows?

Some pogue perspective. In the Signal we had lots of women. They sucked at soldier's tasks (like road marches) but excelled at administrative and technical stuff. The ones who weren't fuck ups. The Army attracts alot of fuckups and lazy people of both genders.

There are alot of things women are good at in the military. In the Navy and Air Force they are much better recieved because their not asked to do soldier tasks. Go dig a fighting hole, go take that hill, pull that man out of a burning vehicle. They just aren't going to do those things as well as men, period.

Females have value in the military, it's just not as life takers.

Post: #50

(04-01-2013 08:07 PM)Sharky Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 03:55 PM)A War You Cannot Win Wrote:  I'm an active duty 0311, and I never heard of a female Marine being a patrol leader or assistant patrol leader ever. Maybe it's different in the army, but if this chick has a 'speciality' MOS and she's going out on a patrol for whatever reason she'd most likely be attached to the squad going out, and not actually leading it.

Or maybe she's doing some high speed MARSOC/Delta Ranger Seal Force shit and i'm just a dumb shit kicker on the ground, who knows?

Some pogue perspective. In the Signal we had lots of women. They sucked at soldier's tasks (like road marches) but excelled at administrative and technical stuff. The ones who weren't fuck ups. The Army attracts alot of fuckups and lazy people of both genders.

There are alot of things women are good at in the military. In the Navy and Air Force they are much better recieved because their not asked to do soldier tasks. Go dig a fighting hole, go take that hill, pull that man out of a burning vehicle. They just aren't going to do those things as well as men, period.

Females have value in the military, it's just not as life takers.

Haha, yeah for sure. The wooks are pretty baller when it comes to administrative duties. The last time I PCS'd I had to go down to IPAC to fill out some paperwork, and the girl helping me there hooked me up with some loophole related to my travel expenses and got me some extra government reimbursement. If I had a dude I doubt that would've happened.

On the flipside, if my SSGT told me my squad had to take a wook with us when we go outside the wire i'd probably have to dedicate a whole fireteam just to babysit her, not really conducive to the yut yut charge the hill shit.