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(04-03-2013 02:01 PM)PartyonBro Wrote:  http://gawker.com/5924958/frontline-docu...ohnson-hiv

Quote:For more than 20 years, Magic Johnson has been HIV positive—but it's never been revealed who he contracted it from. Last night on PBS's Frontline documentary, "AIDS in Black America," Magic disclosed the same vague answer he's given the press since 1991: "Sleeping with a lot of women."

Still, it seems odd that there's been no follow-up about which of these women was HIV positive. Or how many. Given the media environment in 1991 and Magic's impact on the culture at that time, asking about his private life was akin to asking Rudy Giuliani if he thought 9/11 was an inside job four hours after the Twin Towers fell. But since then, the story wasn't advanced any further.

About three years ago, while I was editor at Deadspin, there was talk of a Hollywood Babylon-level conspiracy that was making the rounds in the LA nightlife scene. The story went that Magic, like most of his Los Angeles Lakers teammates, was caught up in so many orgiastic LA house parties and had so many random groupie fuck-buddies that tracking down Magic's female Patient Zero would be almost impossible. But then, another source said that Magic's ex-teammate, Norm Nixon, had started floating a different scenario: that Magic most likely contracted HIV during an infamous sex party at Eddie Murphy's mansion, where often times, transsexual hookers were involved.

Obviously, Murphy's transsexual, uhm, "interests" were already publicized after his embarrassing pull-over incident in 1997. Our source pressed a little bit and never tracked down Nixon, but said he had other people willing to verify Magic's non-female proclivities on the record. The source would only do so for a large sum of money that was too expensive for Gawker Media, let alone Deadspin. It's also one that no one ever seems to be willing to press hard enough on—instead, everyone's interest has been stuck on the fact that Magic is said to have slept with 300-500 women per year throughout his career.

aha TRANNIES. thats it !

he got it by banging trannies .........
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I find it hard to believe theres someone on here thats saying he doesnt think Magic Johnson could get pretty much any girl he wanted in his prime cause only guys worshiped him.

Get real this guy was a famous millionaire rock star... His name is even MAGIC JOHNSON like his dick cast spells an shit

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oh he definitely could have. but it doesn't mean he wasn't on the down low still. especially considering the company he kept, his mannerisms, and the overt proclamations that he just banged so many girls it was inevitable to happen.
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Quote:The examples don't matter. When guys claim numbers like the Simply Red guy of 3000 in 3 years or something and Magic Johnson is 3-500 a year for a decade + its likely to be bullshit. Do I doubt these guys have had orgies...of course not. Do I doubt they have groupies...of course not. Do I doubt he bangs everyone that he looks at and invites over as people would make it sound...obviously. Great hes an athlete. Hes worshipped by "MALES". Celebrity actors are worshipped by "FEMALES" as are singers. It's like the guy with the ridiculously jacked muscles in the Gym. By ridiculous im talking some 5'6 230 pound juicer. He will be worshipped by "MALES". Go to any popular sporting event, basketball, football etc. Take a look at the crowd of single people i.e. not accompanied by someone of the opposite sex. It will be overwhelmingly males.


So, you don't think Magic Johnson was the star play on a one of the most famous basketball teams in one of the most famous cities in the United States. Yes men admire his athleticism. Women see he's making millions and he's on tv=celebrity. Women admire the celebrity's status.

A woman in 1985 didn't have to know a pick and roll from a three man weave to know who Magic Johnson was. Everyone knew and he knew they knew and girls wanted to know him in the Biblical sense.

I don't get it...it's like you want to deny an athletes are popular and can attract women with little effort. It's like you're trying to play Devil's Advocate but you doing it wrong and making yourself look obtuse.

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Well, at least in LA you can still get cocktails past 1:31am, right?

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(04-03-2013 02:12 PM)Katatonic Wrote:  A couple of kids accused him of blowing them, and kids aren't going to be the best of liars when they're being questioned by police. the police also would have no reason to trump up charges against Jackson, who is easily the most beloved musician of the last 50 years(with maybe the exception of John Lennon). I also wouldn't pay $20+ million to shut some family up who is trying to extort me. Wouldn't you fight that shit to the bitter end to clear your name?

You wouldn't pay that because you're a nobody. People with means settle all the time even though they're innocent. Kobe paid out 10 million instead of "clearing his name", I'm guessing you also believe he was guilty.
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(04-04-2013 12:13 AM)Goldin Boy Wrote:  
Quote:The examples don't matter. When guys claim numbers like the Simply Red guy of 3000 in 3 years or something and Magic Johnson is 3-500 a year for a decade + its likely to be bullshit. Do I doubt these guys have had orgies...of course not. Do I doubt they have groupies...of course not. Do I doubt he bangs everyone that he looks at and invites over as people would make it sound...obviously. Great hes an athlete. Hes worshipped by "MALES". Celebrity actors are worshipped by "FEMALES" as are singers. It's like the guy with the ridiculously jacked muscles in the Gym. By ridiculous im talking some 5'6 230 pound juicer. He will be worshipped by "MALES". Go to any popular sporting event, basketball, football etc. Take a look at the crowd of single people i.e. not accompanied by someone of the opposite sex. It will be overwhelmingly males.


So, you don't think Magic Johnson was the star play on a one of the most famous basketball teams in one of the most famous cities in the United States. Yes men admire his athleticism. Women see he's making millions and he's on tv=celebrity. Women admire the celebrity's status.

A woman in 1985 didn't have to know a pick and roll from a three man weave to know who Magic Johnson was. Everyone knew and he knew they knew and girls wanted to know him in the Biblical sense.

I don't get it...it's like you want to deny an athletes are popular and can attract women with little effort. It's like you're trying to play Devil's Advocate but you doing it wrong and making yourself look obtuse.
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Because as Men we have blurred vision that is why.

WE ASSUME THESE GUYS GET TONS AND BUCKETS OF ASS:

We assume these things but they do not mirror the truth. My friend played professional ball and had dry streaks...

why?

because he was to busy training and nursing a nagging knee, and he did not want the gutter rats and groupies that are circulating around the team. He literally had no time to swoop, dude shot himself in the foot not wanting nothing but Black women (in Canada out west they are sparse) but even with that dude had no time to game broads. Only time I hung out with him was early in the morning or at the Gym.

People ASSUME that Athletes have the pick of the litter but they do not. Few sports pump out legit players with surgical medical grade game and let me tell you why...

As I have said in this thread there is only 24 hours in a day. This does not change obviously its static - to be on that level of play and stature in sport you MUST devote a considerably amount of time daily towards your craft. Any high skilled craft your having to devote and considerable amount of time too, this is what makes you better then the rest. Genetic traits and benefits, help but its the work ethic and practice which gives you a long career or transcends you to elite status like Magic enjoyed.

Your craft pays your bills and is the prelude that leads to your status... So it makes no sense how an Elite player can claim to have sacrificed many hours to do something that did not help his craft. Like I said in a earlier post MJ did not have time to gamble, he sacrificed sleep to do so sometimes playing games on 3-4 hours rest but for him it was worth it. This was the best player to ever step on a court and even he could only make minimal sacrifices.....

You fuck around with that and you end up with a short 3 year career like many bums whom don't get the idea of having to commit to strict discipline once you make it into the pros.

Because of this many athletes... many of them did not get the spare time to game chics growing up. While you were out on a Friday night getting sauce'd up and groping girls at parties they were in the weight room, or sleeping.

My homie religiously went to bed every single night at 10pm, and woke up religiously every day at 6 am. He trained everyday for 3-4 hours and still worked and did school. When he made it to the pros since he played Canadian Football and was not balling in money he still worked part time selling Mortgages. You make decent coin but to him he wanted a stable life and did not want debt so he worked extra so he could by a BMW and a Condo with very little to no debt.

He had no time to go hunt chics. And once he and his girl broke it off....blue balls.

No back to the surgical game...

Hockey Players by a large majority have great game and I will tell you why: In Hockey development you are on your own very very young. You are shipped to a small bum-fuck nowhere town at 18, sometimes 16 to play major Jr. You have to buld up your own social circles and prospects, you have status in your new environment but its no free lunch. You get a opportunity to largely call your own shots and learn the nuances of game. It is a party culture with benders and shakers going on all the time, this mirrors College life for football players and BBall players but these Hockey players simply get more time at it. You get 3 years in College for Football, 1-2 for BBall, These Hockey players will get 4-8 of early year development on their own.

Baseball is a close second as you get the similar development situation but for a longer period into your early 20's. You get even more freedom getting a legitimate wage in small towns across the American heartland. You have status but again its no free lunch, your not a major household name you have to teach yourself how to swim in those conditions.

Basketball players whom are propped up by the AAU from a young age and told they can do anything and get anything pretend to live like rockstars just chasing easy tail for all their years. They are never really put in a situation on their own, they are babied from AAU to the pros and once they hit it big seem surprised that the only girls checking for them are groupies. Basketball players are notorious for P4P. My friend whom worked at 4Seasons here in Toronto (he is now at a new high-end Hotel in Toronto) would tell me to many stories of Escorts being brought up for NBA players. The familiar faces would roll through the doors and be lead up to their suites. He said that the Baseball players due to the lax schedules were bringing around random hotties and he would see them head to the hotel bar and just act very casual like any other seasoned player would. Hockey players mirror this, using the City as a playground while they lived in their Mansions in Oakville. He has seen it all from troupes of Escorts going up at once for fuckfests to ratchet disagreements over pay from the players feeling slighted.

The myth of infinite women:

Groupies are a finite number. The women whom enjoy that lifestyle basically live trying to ride the carousel of players hoping to upgrade each time. Everybody knows whom they are on the team, all sports have them. My buddy whom played pro ball told me that all the groupies in town where on a sheet of paper in the locker room with their #'s beside their name and a comment on how easy and good the pussy was. Dudes wanting to get their rocks off would just pick and choose and fire a text away. You share everything in that brother hood, the myth that models and shit are begging for these guys cocks is a joke. In my home town the players had a bad rep and the girls whom fucked with that where automatiaclly radioactive and no local dudes would fuck with them. It was a females scarlett letter to let a player hit it.. once she went down that road she was stuck there and just went with it. Of course this is not the reality for all of them, some dudes in pro sports have game and can use it to leverage some good tail. Many will use their angle to get access to women they maybe could not prior and lock them down. But this is not the majority, you just think it is because in your mind if you had thier life you would assume your pussy counts would go through the roof... possibly ... but without skillsets and game it would preety much be the same or even drop.

Many groupies have longer careers then the players whom they seek and fuck. Think about it.. the average career is 3-5 years many groupies try to hold on for longer. Many girls whom I grew up with whom dived into that pool are still desperate to cling onto it. Many have been at it for 6-8 years+ now and are still searching for player whom will be dumb enough to lock them down or knock them up.

And that is the main point. You and me in our traditional lives may indeed have more time to commit to getting ass then many elite athletes. When you take away sleep, 4-hours of training, rehab-time, team obligations, prep-work/study, and zen-time to wind down... how much time do you think you would have in time a day to get chase women? Deal with bullshit? Would it not just be easier to keep some random broad around or just do P4P? Less bullshit and time needed.. do you see why all that you think is a myth? These Men make their living having to be at the top of their athletic form. They need to perform.. if they do not - especially in cut-throat sports like Football - they will be released and out of work. This is what separates the PROS from the GOONS. Elite players ain't about that bullshit and are trying to be the best they can be to maintain that flood of cash. They still have fun and do a lot of crazy things but its not the orgies and fuckfest that we all have in mind.

If you need any proof Google what many athletes settle down with. Lebron James wife is a cute hometown girl - but as the top guy in the game he can do better, Wade's Wife is/was beat, Bosh's girl is decent. Many of these dudes just marry the small town girl they came up with because its easy, but they are not seeing the upgrades like in other sports.

My homie whom played pro ball could not shake of his knee injuries and had to retire after 3 and a half season. He is now chilling with his education and perusing further studies, and his sub-par GF on his arm. I can't knock him as he is truly happy with his life, and he has accomplished a lot - but he could of done 100% better female wise. Those Friday nights he spent in the gym, if he spent it out perfecting his game he would be chilling with a hot girl on his arm but he made his choices and his money and is content.

There is a reality in sports and myths. We as Men buy into the myths and are very much shielded from the realities. Many pro-athletes deal with a ton of bullshit, as they are lied to constantly and everybody us trying to use them. Their very existence is to be exploited by wealthy old Men. They make Billions what the labour gets a small cut.

Growing up in a Small City I was not shielded by the bullshit. These pro athletes in my town where my friends or people whom I knew through people quite well. I seen the lifestyle they lived and how much time they put in to attain it. These guys aren't pulling buckets of top shelf ass as you think, many are just happy with a nice girl on their arm to get their rocks off. The rest .. well they are just chasing the gutter skanks and groupies and really deserve no admiration. These girls are just circulated with a few new ones coming in, they all know whom they are, all know the back stories - nobody is hiding anything with that system.

So when people like Magic start blasting out bullshit that he was fuking 3-5 new girls per day I laugh - he knows he is full of shit. When did he practice? Those amazing no-look passes he perfected, the man basically could play any position on the court and he was able to game girls for hours per day? He telling me he could drive in his coup and go troll for bitches like those bummy cash-rich--asset-poor African guys outside the bars in their Denalis? Give me a a fuking break. There isn't enough time in the day for Magic to realistically plow through all the women he claims to have.

The idea that his hotel room just had women waiting for him is a stretch. You visit these same cities many times per year - the same faces become typical and Its the same groupies circulating around. Magic got the benefit of having access to them first but after 8-12 guys she will try to creep her face in again into your frame. There is some endless supply of tail for these dudes unless they are operating with surgical level game and even with that many will just hunt down high quality prospects and keep them around.

Your not getting those numbers in that lifestyle unless your doing p4p or are on the low. As another poster said where are the women he may have infected? A former player in my City had HIV from banging drug-out skanks in BC and spread it to one female in my Province. There was literally a national alert put of for this guy, national news.. all over the papers, and the next day all the older groupies lined up to get tested, many tried to press charges on some bullshit and dude was sent to jail with the quickness - nobody has herd of him since. The team put a ban on dudes hitting the bars as they did not want to reflect badly on the team, it was no fucking joke. The NBA was turned upside down structurally from Magic illness but Magic himself did not face any of the classic red flags of a high status male being burned.
My local case was a low status starter and still had women trying to ruin him for every nickel he had. Magic a multi-millionaire at the time of infection and no women tried to rape his wallet?

As I said in the very first post, no free lunch.. does not matter your status you have to put in *some* effort to get laid. The game changes are you go up that ladder but your still in it, few men are truly on the level where they can get buckets of ass with the meat effort of rolling over with a hard-on to a new female waiting for him in bed. We as men strive to increase are status and standings to give us access to better women, its not like it gets any easier you just have better prospects to work it and the style in which you operate changes.

Exceptions to the rule always exist but general themes always will trump.

The realities of sport has changed. In the old days players got more flexibility across the board and many could lock down girlfriends in different cities while the main girl was chilling at the home. These groupies in their little bubbles in their respected cities were easy to manage. But now with the internet and teams being more controlling and restrictive on players your not getting a lot of down time in different cities. Many times you fly out the same night, and with the internet you have thirsty attention whores waiting for any chance to expose you if they don't think they are getting a fair deal out of the "relationship". Only Medical grade.. surgical dudes with exquisite game can navigate this new environment, and rest assured they never had any issues in the older days either.. Case in point:

Dudes like Derek Jeter rarely get publicly outed with females, he surgically picks his prey and toss them aside gently when done. No hard feelings on either side, people think this is the reality and re-occurring theme in sports but I tell very honestly that players like Jeter are more rare then the norm. Dudes like Jeter would excel with women if he was postman or a All-time Yankee as the man developed skillets from his up-bringing which has carried him into elite territory with women. Dude has been pulling ass since 1996, true Elite level player right there.

Elite Level players:
Hockey, Baseball, Soccer, Tennis

The rest are lumped in the middle, with Basketball being the absolute worst! Many ball players downgrade in their women... its quite pathetic.

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GAME HAS TO BE LEARNED AND EARNED. NO FREE LUNCHES:

Examples in the field.

Hockey players are strait clowns. You grow up with these guys you realize they are as dumb as a bag of nails but these guys kill it with not giving a fuck and knowing how to have a great time. No other sport you can get goofy looking dudes scaling up to consistently bang and lock down 8-10's. In the height of my Football days I skipped the Football parties and hung around with the Hockey Players because the amount of pussy circulating around them is unreal. As I noted the key differences in how Hockey players are brought up is the difference, it is not a cultural things you get Russians, Americans, Canadian all pulling premo ass. Football in America is equal to Hockey in Canada in status but Hockey Players blow Football players out of the water as fas as begin able to upgrade their pussy.

Real life examples:

Evgeni Malkin:
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Evander Kane:
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Nick Folingo:
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Baseball:

Andrew-Mccutchens
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Brett Lawrie:
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Ryan Howard:
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Bud Norris
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Mat Latos
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His wife:
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I can go on and on... 90% of those guys aren't household names and they are pulling dimes and in many cases way better in looks then them. Baseball players like to settle down a lot quicker, but this make sense since they usually get that big paycheck at around 26-28 years old.

You got NHL 3rd liners locking down dimes and in the NBA...


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[*yeah that his EX-Wife but dude still struggling, picking up Gabrielle Union way past her best-before date. Gabrielle union is 40 years old, Dwayne Wade is 31.. SMH*]

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If you watch the 30 for 30 on Magic Johnson you will know he had the city of LA and the entire nightlife wrapped around his little finger. He had chicks falling all over him. Was he also getting it on with dudes and trannies on the DL? I have no idea.
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D-Wade struggling??? The list of groupies/actresses he's banged rivals Jeter.

I hope the buddy you continually refer to as having played pro ball in Canada was Vince Carter, cuz otherwise you are clueless when it comes to bball groupies.
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Magic gives an interview on his son coming out and Magic's own involvement in the gay community:

http://laist.com/2013/04/04/magic_johnso...ut_his.php
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(04-03-2013 12:10 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  
(04-03-2013 09:06 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  I still wanna know how Mr. "MAGIC" lived threw HIV in the era that having it meant certain death.

I believe its because he has the best medical treatment AND THE BEST MENTAL ATTITUDE. And the best WORK ETHIC

Also, he was in great shape when he got it.

He BELIEVED he would beat it, he fought for is life, he won.

He always wins! He is one of the all time great winners in sports history.

Pretty amazing what he did as a player, as a businessman, and as an AIDS patient.

Magic makes me sick to my stomach. He's a top shelf attention whore and a glory hog. Billed as the "ultimate teammate" that made everyone else better...only because he couldn't shoot (or play defense). If he played anywhere else but L.A., without the extreme talent around him, marketing of Hollywood/LA, and money of Jerry Buss...his career would be on par with the likes of Reggie Miller and John Stockton. i.e., a one skill player.

Businessman? Please spare me. Everyone thinks this because he went to the ghettos of America and invested a little money for black America. Every chance he got he let everyone know what a great thing he was doing for them. A quick google search shows that he's had multiple companies declare bankruptcy. Not all bad stuff out there (24hour fitness investment), but there's a lot of dirt.

He bought the best treatment and care that money could possibly buy. Teams of doctors, constant surveillance, and designer drugs that fought all the infections that his weakened immune system wouldn't. Anyone with a decent fitness level could of done it at that point with the same support. It was 1992, not a new phenomenon like it was in 1984.

Like father, like son.
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(04-04-2013 05:29 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Magic gives an interview on his son coming out and Magic's own involvement in the gay community:

http://laist.com/2013/04/04/magic_johnso...ut_his.php


Piling on Roosh's cultural/nurture component of gayness. I've always thought the "we can't help it" argument was bunk. Here you have a father, telling his son at the age of 12 to decide his sexuality and face sex. 12!

Early age sexual initiation is going to confuse kids with regard to their sexual orientation. Unstable family life will never help either.

Coupled with the fact that the son never had to work a day in his life, and undoubtedly had access to all the pleasure that his father's money could buy, there's no wonder why the kid turned out gay.

When I was 12, I was riding my bike, playing sports with the neighborhood kids, and getting my ass kicked by bullies. This Bel-air type kid was probably shopping on Rodeo Dr. at 12 with his Mom who was trying to not think about the fact that her husband was with 2,000 other women that were better than her in bed.
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(04-13-2013 04:43 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  he couldn't shoot (or play defense). If he played anywhere else but L.A., without the extreme talent around him, marketing of Hollywood/LA, and money of Jerry Buss...his career would be on par with the likes of Reggie Miller and John Stockton. i.e., a one skill player.

So, you think Magic is overrated as a player. Fair enough. I think he was the best point guard of all time but we can have different opinions of him as a player.

Sounds like you just don't like him. Which is cool.

(04-13-2013 04:43 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  Businessman? Please spare me.

Isn't he worth a couple hundred million?

Sounds like a pretty good businessman to me..

Who cares what he did and didn't to in the Black community? I'm talking business.

(04-13-2013 04:43 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  He bought the best treatment and care that money could possibly buy.

Wouldn't you do the same thing? (If you could?)

Steve Jobs should have done this with his cancer.

I also think Magics attitude helped him beat AIDS. But, you're right, it was mostly the money.

(04-13-2013 04:43 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  Like father, like son.

I don't know if he was gay or not. I wouldn't be surprised either way.

Can you name a better point guard in the history of the NBA? .

Also, John Stockton was not a "one dimensional player". Stockton was the best decision maker of all time, one of the greatest passers of all time, a really good shooter, a good defense player, and one of the best screeners ever among point guards.
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Haven't read the thread so maybe someone already brought this up.

But you guys know "Magic" was bisexual himself, right?

Locals back in the day saw him coming out of many a gay bar.

This was before the era of sports blogs and 24/7 news.

Just like most guys don't know that Michael Jordan was an asshole, had a gambling problem, ripped people off, welched on bets, etc.

Sports reporters didn't touch stories like that and without blogs like TMZ trying to get page views, you didn't get info like that.
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Until someone comes forward with some solid evidence like photos of him leaving a gay bar with a guy or some solid testimonials of ex-lovers, I'm not buying it. People are ONLY saying this shit because he has HIV.

HIV can be caught from women as well, as evidenced by how widespread it is across Africa. Getting it from heterosexual sex isn't as likely, but far from improbable given the number of women he ran through at the peak of his career. All he would've had to do was have a herpes sore on his dick while banging a woman raw.
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(04-13-2013 06:24 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  Haven't read the thread so maybe someone already brought this up.

But you guys know "Magic" was bisexual himself, right?

Locals back in the day saw him coming out of many a gay bar.

This was before the era of sports blogs and 24/7 news.

Just like most guys don't know that Michael Jordan was an asshole, had a gambling problem, ripped people off, welched on bets, etc.

Sports reporters didn't touch stories like that and without blogs like TMZ trying to get page views, you didn't get info like that.

Its a different culture now for sure.

Back in the day athletes did have a type of local bubble going on in their lives. People like Jordan could cheat and hustle people and do a lot of reckless shit and the people whom were privy to his life and we're paid to report on his life (the press) kind of just kept it hush hush and quiet. Michael Wilbon talked about this one time because at the end of the day people like MJ are feeding you and paying your bills. You need to maintain that positive relationship and access and do build up a type of relationship with these athletes be it personal or strictly on a business level. So if the press here rumours about X player doing shady stuff, back in the day it was not smart for them to leak it out. Nowadays though with everybody fighting for headlines and buzz your better off to throw athletes under the bus and thus why many are more guarded now then in the past.

That is the thing I heard rumours about Magic swinging both ways way back from people whom grew up in LA in those days. People say it was common knowledge but people just kind of just looked the other way on it. Being in LA with the West cost attitude helps, if Magic played in Boston, NYC, or some smaller Mid-west town people would make a big deal about it because they are not as tolerant.
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I grew up on Showtime Laker Basketball in the 80s in LA, and that era defines the Lakers for me. And Magic defined that team. I even remember exactly where I was when I found about Magic's HIV status - I was playing AYSO soccer at the park.

I think it is theoretically possible to get HIV from heterosexual sex but you'd have to sleep with 1000's. Maybe less if that number includes pros. I guess that's doable for his numbers as others have suggested. I don't care if Magic is bisexual or what, but it's possible. What hasn't been discussed much is drugs - LA in the 80's? That's a smoking gun I think. But, who knows.
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(04-13-2013 07:18 PM)poutsara Wrote:  I grew up on Showtime Laker Basketball in the 80s in LA, and that era defines the Lakers for me. And Magic defined that team. I even remember exactly where I was when I found about Magic's HIV status - I was playing AYSO soccer at the park.

I think it is theoretically possible to get HIV from heterosexual sex but you'd have to sleep with 1000's. Maybe less if that number includes pros. I guess that's doable for his numbers as others have suggested. I don't care if Magic is bisexual or what, although I doubt it. What hasn't been discussed is drugs. But, who knows.

Drugs would be more plausible then getting HIV from Hereto sex. Magic came from a strong Christian home and claims to of kept a strict regimen of no alcohol or drugs during his playing days and did not let people smoke inside his house. This does not sound out of the ordinary because many elite athletes have very strict rules and habits they adhere too for performance reasons.

This is again why I hammer in that that a professional like magic whom was the best at his position did not have time to run game and rack up the numbers he claimed.
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(04-13-2013 07:43 PM)kosko Wrote:  a professional like magic whom was the best at his position did not have time to run game and rack up the numbers he claimed.

I think I get what you mean..

How can you be dedicated to being a great athlete but also have time to run game and bangs thousands of girls..?

It almost sounds impossible.

You would have to girls throwing themselves at you all day, everyday. You would have to have logistics in place. You would have to have the stamina.

I believe Magic had that. He literally had orgies. He would literally bang 5 or more women at a time. In the ESPN movie he says he once banged 8 women at one time! When you are banging 5-10 women at a time, you can rack up some big numbers quick.

Another point I want to make is this..

These superstars feel that the world is theirs. In alot of ways, it is. They can bang a different woman everyday. They can bang 5 different women everyday. They feel they deserve it. They feel it is their right.

They see sex as a break from their craft. I believe this is how Magic was. He worked hard to become a great player. But, he also had a great sexual appetite.

Sex is like a therapeutic release for them. It takes there mind off of the pressure of their sport. Sex is like their meditation. It is also a great way to relax. Sex becomes a part of their rest/recuperation strategy. Sex becomes part of their lifestyle. They feel that they are a god, and they live a god like life.

I have seen this happen to great athletes. I have experienced some of this on a much smaller scale.

Just my opinion and a reason why I do believe that Magic banged thousands of women/(men?)

(04-13-2013 07:06 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Until someone comes forward with some solid evidence like photos of him leaving a gay bar with a guy or some solid testimonials of ex-lovers, I'm not buying it.

Magic does seem possibly gay/bi to me.

But, I agree with you.

Before I can make a decision, I need to see some evidence.

I hate making decisions without evidence!

So, I just say -- "I don't know"
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(04-13-2013 06:20 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  
(04-13-2013 04:43 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  he couldn't shoot (or play defense). If he played anywhere else but L.A., without the extreme talent around him, marketing of Hollywood/LA, and money of Jerry Buss...his career would be on par with the likes of Reggie Miller and John Stockton. i.e., a one skill player.

So, you think Magic is overrated as a player. Fair enough. I think he was the best point guard of all time but we can have different opinions of him as a player.

Sounds like you just don't like him. Which is cool.

(04-13-2013 04:43 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  Businessman? Please spare me.

Isn't he worth a couple hundred million?

Sounds like a pretty good businessman to me..

Who cares what he did and didn't to in the Black community? I'm talking business.

(04-13-2013 04:43 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  He bought the best treatment and care that money could possibly buy.

Wouldn't you do the same thing? (If you could?)

Steve Jobs should have done this with his cancer.

I also think Magics attitude helped him beat AIDS. But, you're right, it was mostly the money.

(04-13-2013 04:43 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  Like father, like son.

I don't know if he was gay or not. I wouldn't be surprised either way.

Can you name a better point guard in the history of the NBA? .

Also, John Stockton was not a "one dimensional player". Stockton was the best decision maker of all time, one of the greatest passers of all time, a really good shooter, a good defense player, and one of the best screeners ever among point guards.

You're right on Stockton. I forgot he averaged over 2 steals a game his entire career. Great spot up shooter too. The point I was trying to make was that Magic was an unbelievable passer, but the people around him had more to do on making him great than the other way around. He always played with great scorers and defenders, thus hiding his two large holes in his game.

Better point guard skill-wise? Isaiah Thomas is a great example because they played in the same era. Isaiah knew he was better too, that's why he always walked around with a chippy attitude. Would you take Magic over LeBron at the point?

Yes. Magic's got $100's of millions. Donald Trump declare BK multiple times too. Hard to argue without firsthand knowledge. It's a vague characteristic. What really constitutes a "good businessman" anyways. The point I'd like to make is that Magic gets credit for ANYTHING he does. The Magic theatres that he put up in the Black community lost a ton of money. Magic gets only good press on it for investing where no one else would. Good for him I guess. It's just annoying.

By the way. I read through all of your posts last year, along with Mike CF's and you really helped out a lot. Much respect for going to college campuses and doing work. Wish I could pull that off.
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(04-15-2013 10:45 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  You're right on Stockton.

Thanks for acknowledging that.

(04-15-2013 10:45 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  Magic was an unbelievable passer, but the people around him had more to do on making him great than the other way around. He always played with great scorers and defenders, thus hiding his two large holes in his game.

I know Magic was not the greatest defender ever but I wouldn't say he was a bad defender. He was 6'9 at the guard position. Just his size and length caused problems for alot of smaller guards.

We have a different opinion of Magic. Thats okay. No worries.

I don't consider Magic to be overrated. I don't think his teammates always saved him.

He won State Championships in high school.

He won the National Championship in college.

He won the NBA championship as a rookie.

Was he just lucky enough to always have the best teammates every year? I think it was him more so then his teammates.

His rookie year, Kareem got hurt in Game 5 of the NBA Finals..

In game 6, Magic started at center; he recorded 42 points, 15 rebounds, 7 assists, and 3 steals in a 123–107 win. He became the only rookie to win the NBA Finals MVP award.

Kareem was averaging 33 points a game during that Finals. Magic took over and saved the day.

It wasn't always his teammates, it was him.

In my opinion.

Bryan Scott, Micheal Cooper, Kurt Rambis, James Worthy, etc. Those guys were great pros but I bet that they would say Magic is the one who made them a championship team.

I suspect that you don't like Magics personality or like him as a person. This could be effecting your subjective analysis of him as a player?

I don't particularly like him either. But, I do think he was a great player.

(04-15-2013 10:45 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  Better point guard skill-wise? Isaiah Thomas is a great example because they played in the same era. Isaiah knew he was better too, that's why he always walked around with a chippy attitude.

I fucking love this. I love Isaiah!

I agree. If Isaiah was 6'9 he would have been way better then Magic.

Isaiah even said that. You're right. He knew it.

(04-15-2013 10:45 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  Would you take Magic over LeBron at the point?

This is tough.

But, honestly, I would take Lebron.

He is a way better athlete and a way better defender. And, I think he is just as good of a passer and also a better shooter.

(04-15-2013 10:45 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  The point I'd like to make is that Magic gets credit for ANYTHING he does.

It's just annoying.

So, you are mad at the media for kissing his ass.

I agree. He is a media darling. He knows how to get them on his side.

I think he is a good businessman for that. He knows how to make friends and influence people.

But, I agree with you. The media does kiss his ass too much.

(04-15-2013 10:45 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  By the way. I read through all of your posts last year, along with Mike CF's and you really helped out a lot. Much respect for going to college campuses and doing work. Wish I could pull that off.

Your welcome. Ask me anything you want about that college day game stuff.

You could do it. As long as you look under 45, you will find some girls who want to date older guys.

Respect for debating like a gentleman. I love discussing and debating the NBA.

We don't have to agree on everything. Alot of it is just opinion.

Join us in The NBA Thread
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"Magic makes me sick to my stomach. He's a top shelf attention whore and a glory hog. Billed as the "ultimate teammate" that made everyone else better...only because he couldn't shoot (or play defense). If he played anywhere else but L.A., without the extreme talent around him, marketing of Hollywood/LA, and money of Jerry Buss...his career would be on par with the likes of Reggie Miller and John Stockton. i.e., a one skill player."

You sir, know nothing of what you speak...you probably never saw enough of him play

Magic is the best point and arguably the best non center to ever play and arguably the best to ever suit up.

If you are starting a team from scratch and need to pick a player, the first I pick is Magic - especially if you are discounting centers...
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(04-16-2013 10:08 PM)kdolo Wrote:  "Magic makes me sick to my stomach. He's a top shelf attention whore and a glory hog. Billed as the "ultimate teammate" that made everyone else better...only because he couldn't shoot (or play defense). If he played anywhere else but L.A., without the extreme talent around him, marketing of Hollywood/LA, and money of Jerry Buss...his career would be on par with the likes of Reggie Miller and John Stockton. i.e., a one skill player."

You sir, know nothing of what you speak...you probably never saw enough of him play

Magic is the best point and arguably the best non center to ever play and arguably the best to ever suit up.

If you are starting a team from scratch and need to pick a player, the first I pick is Magic - especially if you are discounting centers...

I'll comment further in the NBA thread. It's off topic at this point...my doing.

As far as evidence of Magic being gay? MikeCF was a manager/bartender at the Viceroy in Santa Monica. I remember him mentioning this in a post of his. The Viceroy used to be 'The' hot spot to go in Santa Monica. I met a current bartender who works at the Viceroy now (and the current hotspot Bungalow). My point. If a guy in that position claims that it is common knowledge that Magic was Bi, I think that's a pretty reputable source. It's not coming from joe fan, but from a guy that was involved in real nightlife where you have access to stories from connected people that others don't.

"Common Knowledge" is a very strong statement of evidence to me. (Or is this hearsay? I'm no attorney).
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