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Really interesting game from a tactical point of view.

Liverpool were going full gas with their high press for the first 20 minus or so and then once Salah got injured they seemed to stop doing that. In that first period, real were really spooked and couldn’t get the ball out of their half.

However, once Liverpool stopped pressing real were able to get in behind Liverpool evidenced by the only just offside goal at the end of the first half.

Liverpool were clueless with the ball and often when in possession in their own half they couldn’t play it out, literally their only tactic is to win the ball in the opposition half with Whig press and counter quickly. Klopp is a bit of a one trick pony in that regard. That’s why he will win nothing with this team.

Real, love them or hate them for their antics were always going to win, too much class in their team, this really showed when Zz changed it to 433 second half to mirror Liverpool. Man on man like this real played them off the park .
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Upto this point, I was relatively indifferent towards Ramos, even with his diving theatrics. His dirty tactic against Salah is even "forgivable" UNLESS it is true that he will not be able to play at the World Cup. To ruin a person's dream like that and to not have that on your conscience, is evil.

In an ideal world, this is what should happen:

Some wealthy Egyptian should pay big money to someone on Team Iran or Morocco to take Ramos out. There is probably a dozen ways to injure a player "accidentally".
If however this martyr gets a red card or worse, he is compensated well for his trouble.

If I was a wealthy Egyptian, I personally would do this and if I was some Tier B player on Team Iran or Morocco, I would 100% take up this offer.

Think about it from the players perspective. You are on 2 medicocre teams, who dont have a great chance of moving past this group stage. You are probably not going to be getting any large world class club contracts as you are not the star of your national team. I would take the cash, take the red card and continue living life as a B class soccer player.
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(05-27-2018 06:38 AM)Ski pro Wrote:  Real, love them or hate them for their antics were always going to win, too much class in their team, this really showed when Zz changed it to 433 second half to mirror Liverpool. Man on man like this real played them off the park .

What changed? They started and finished the game with one striker and two wingers, I don't see how calling it a 4-3-3 or a 4-5-1 makes any difference.

I thought it was worse the yellow card thing ramos did at the end when the ref came over with the yellow I thought it was to book Ramos for his faggotry, instead the referee fell for it and booked Mane.

Gary Neville likes to defend diving and these dirty tactics, but he's right in a way. Unless this stuff is actually punished, players will keep doing it to win. It's basically encouraged at the moment.

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(05-26-2018 06:38 PM)mikado Wrote:  Hala Madrid! Viva Zizou!!

Once again, we prevailed Smile

I was laughing my ass off the whole night since the first goal offered by Karius. Color me surprised!

Ramos is a hiho de puta, but he is OUR FAVOURITE hijo de puta Big Grin

I was supporting Real Madrid last night but to win Champions League, being great team isn't enough, you also need a luck and this team is incredibly lucky in last several years.

I can come up several incidents where Real Madrid had huge luck, such as:

+ Real Madrid getting penalty at 94th min against Juve.

+ Bayern's clear penalty wasn't given against Real in Madrid.

+ After first leg, best player of PSG, Neymar gets injured for 3 months.

+ Best player of Liverpool, Salah gets injured very weird way in first half.

+ Real Madrid scored 2 offside goals against Bayern last season, wins in extra times.

+ Real Madrid winning in penalties against Atletico in CL Final in Milano.

+ Sergio Ramos scoring header at 94th min against Atletico and takes the game to extra times in CL final in Lisbon.

If I can think few more mins, I can find out more but these are the ones I can think of right now.

They're great team but they've had enormous luck alongside with them in past 4-5 years as well.
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Real was scared off Liverpool, who were the better team until Salah got injured.

Ramos is garbage and that was a dirty takedown, he should have been sent off.

Happy for Bale, he proved he is one of the best players in the world with those two scores.

If Salah had been fit, it would have been a different result.

Real got handed two goals from a below par goalkeeper, disgraceful.

Real always seems to get calls in their favour.

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(05-27-2018 05:19 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  
(05-27-2018 06:38 AM)Ski pro Wrote:  Real, love them or hate them for their antics were always going to win, too much class in their team, this really showed when Zz changed it to 433 second half to mirror Liverpool. Man on man like this real played them off the park .

What changed? They started and finished the game with one striker and two wingers, I don't see how calling it a 4-3-3 or a 4-5-1 makes any difference

It wasn't a 4-5-1 at the start, it was ZZ's preferred 4-4-2 diamond, Casimero holding with Kroos and Modric supporting either side and Isco as the spearhead centrally. Ronaldo and Benzema as a forward pairing. He's played that formation a lot in recent years as Ronaldo no longer has the legs to play as a winger/inverted forward consistently and needs to play closer to goal.

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(05-27-2018 10:47 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Real was scared off Liverpool, who were the better team until Salah got injured.

Ramos is garbage and that was a dirty takedown, he should have been sent off.

Happy for Bale, he proved he is one of the best players in the world with those two scores.

If Salah had been fit, it would have been a different result.

Real got handed two goals from a below par goalkeeper, disgraceful.

Real always seems to get calls in their favour.

Hmm, what happened to Roma with two clear penalties + red card against Liverpool?

It wasn't even that bad comparing Liverpool's game against City. They totally robbed Man City with 4 goals over 2 legs.

Ball came from Milner, City was gonna make it 2-0 on 42nd min. Ref disallowed the goal.

In first match, clear Sterling penalty, Salah's first goal was offside and Sane's goal legit goal was disallowed.

Liverpool shouldn't be talking about refs, that's how they got to final.
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Yes agree with Rossi. If the Champions League would use a video ref Liverpool would not even be in the final.

Another thing which annoys me is all the hate Ramos receives. Yes it was a foul but these situations happen several times in a game. Ramos is a brick but he is the kind of player everyone should have in the team. And it is not Ramos fault that Klopp bought a sub standard goal keeper from below average German team a few years back. He should have know by now that Karius is not up for this level of football.
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I don't understand why people are hating on Ramos.

He scored a beautiful waza-ari and won by TKO.

Isn't that what the sport is all about?
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(05-28-2018 05:26 AM)Belgrano Wrote:  I don't understand why people are hating on Ramos.

He scored a beautiful waza-ari and won by TKO.

Isn't that what the sport is all about?

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Sergio Ramos has been banned from entering Egypt. #UCLfinal

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Yeah, Ramos was really dying to go to Egypt actually. It is a real heavy punishment for him mrgreen
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(05-28-2018 01:13 AM)Teedub Wrote:  
(05-27-2018 05:19 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  
(05-27-2018 06:38 AM)Ski pro Wrote:  Real, love them or hate them for their antics were always going to win, too much class in their team, this really showed when Zz changed it to 433 second half to mirror Liverpool. Man on man like this real played them off the park .

What changed? They started and finished the game with one striker and two wingers, I don't see how calling it a 4-3-3 or a 4-5-1 makes any difference

It wasn't a 4-5-1 at the start, it was ZZ's preferred 4-4-2 diamond, Casimero holding with Kroos and Modric supporting either side and Isco as the spearhead centrally. Ronaldo and Benzema as a forward pairing. He's played that formation a lot in recent years as Ronaldo no longer has the legs to play as a winger/inverted forward consistently and needs to play closer to goal.

Real has a super team, all of them are world class players, but the key is Modric and Kroos. Guys are brilliant in miedfield. Best pair I have seen since Xavi/Iniesta.

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(05-27-2018 02:14 AM)Rossi Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 02:02 PM)Matt3B Wrote:  No. I'm a Liverpool fan and Liverpool are winning it.

Are you still celebrating? mrgreen

We want to buy Karius to replace Buffon. How much are you selling him for?

Haha, if I was Klopp then I'd be giving Juve Karius and £20m to take him after that god awful display.

Teedub - I said injuring Salah was pre-meditated, not the specific way he was injured.

Though if you actually watch the foul (more like assault), you can see Ramos put his foot in front of Salah and bring him down like a proper takedown.

There was talk before the game of 3 players going to mark Salah out of the game. Before he went off, Madrid looked like nothing threatening whatsoever.

I'm not salty. Madrid played the right game and I think that they would have won after Salah went off even if Karius didn't gift them them the goals. Once Bale came on, Liverpool were all over the shop. That tackle from Robertson on Ronaldo was brilliant but there was that and another couple of last ditch tackles from Lovren and Van Dijk which showed the tide shifted.

Over the course of the competition, Liverpool did ride their luck but with the right summer, I don't think it'll be too long before we're in another Champions League final.

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(05-27-2018 06:14 AM)tobehero Wrote:  Sergio Ramos is the kind of guy who’d unplug your life support machine to charge his phone.

And so is Salah and 95% of professional football players. You don't become a professional footballer by being nice - you become one by being very mean and brutish and scheming and highly competitive, from a very young age. Naive football fans love the players they see on TV because they have no idea of what a professional football player really is: a ruthless "killer", trained from a young age to beat and tramp on others.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4XnCysh7eY
Here is the Salah Ramos collision.

Looks to me that Salah tried to get position on Ramos. Salah puts the arm across Ramos chest. Salahs arm is free . Salah then trips up Ramos and they fall. Salah hurts himself.

Premeditated? no. Intent to injury ? Not in this case. It was an unfortunate fall with the players getting tangled up.

I dont like Ramos as a player. He has done some dirty nasty shit.

In this case, right call on the pitch. And Ramos should not be savaged for this.
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Salah didn't hurt himself Laugh

Ramos tried the same thing on Alves last year, look for it on Youtube. The guy did it on purpose, everything about his body positioning and hooking Salah's arm shows it.

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Is Ramos the kind of asshole women love?

Don't debate me.
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(05-27-2018 05:19 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  
(05-27-2018 06:38 AM)Ski pro Wrote:  Real, love them or hate them for their antics were always going to win, too much class in their team, this really showed when Zz changed it to 433 second half to mirror Liverpool. Man on man like this real played them off the park .

What changed? They started and finished the game with one striker and two wingers, I don't see how calling it a 4-3-3 or a 4-5-1 makes any difference.

I thought it was worse the yellow card thing ramos did at the end when the ref came over with the yellow I thought it was to book Ramos for his faggotry, instead the referee fell for it and booked Mane.

Gary Neville likes to defend diving and these dirty tactics, but he's right in a way. Unless this stuff is actually punished, players will keep doing it to win. It's basically encouraged at the moment.

Madrid lately have been playing more like a 442 with Ronaldo and Benzema upfront. Ronaldo obviously does whatever the hell he wants so it doesn’t look like it.
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Funny how it's okay, and encouraged by MSM, to openly hate on Sergio Ramos, who's probably been the best defender of the world (with Godin) during this last decade.
And of course it's OK to hate on Ramos, because after all, he's White, and a Conservative Spaniard on top of that: so, no mercy for the dude! But if Ramos were Black, you can bet nobody would dare point a finger at him, either on this thread or in MSM.

In any case, and in spite of the haters, I (as a native French) will support Ramos and the (beautifully homogeneous, talented and valiant) Spanish team during the World Cup. Well, I'll also support the Argentinian team of course, for this has to be a year of complete, definitive glory for Messi, one of the few humble and dignified stars in the world of football.
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^ lmao dude this has nothing to do with "homogeneity". If you read my post above, I am relatively indifferent towards him and would only call for vengeance if he ruined a mans chance at the world cup dream.

No one can deny he is a diver, however.
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Ramos is hated because of how much he dives and exaggerates the slightest fouls.

Furthermore it's not just him. It's alot of players in teams like Barca and Real Madrid. It's also a lot of South American players. Even in the EPL you have Ashley Young and Sterling doing it too.

It's when it makes a significant difference in big games that people start to get real mad about it. Because he plays for Real Madrid, Ramos is involved in a lot of big games.

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(05-29-2018 09:18 AM)Going strong Wrote:  And of course it's OK to hate on Ramos, because after all, he's White, and a Conservative Spaniard on top of that: so, no mercy for the dude! But if Ramos were Black, you can bet nobody would dare point a finger at him, either on this thread or in MSM.

This post doesn't reveal much except your own obsession with race.

Ramos is hated because he's a cunt that will do whatever it takes to win, and has an annoying tendency to score clutch last-minute goals.

If I were a Real fan I would probably love him to death, just like I will always have a special place in my heart for Suarez (first at Ajax then at Liverpool), who also has a similar mentality.

Go beat your political drum elsewhere, this was an incredibly irrelevant, low-value post.

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(05-30-2018 05:44 AM)thebassist Wrote:  
(05-29-2018 09:18 AM)Going strong Wrote:  And of course it's OK to hate on Ramos, because after all, he's White, and a Conservative Spaniard on top of that: so, no mercy for the dude! But if Ramos were Black, you can bet nobody would dare point a finger at him, either on this thread or in MSM.

This post doesn't reveal much except your own obsession with race.

Ramos is hated because he's a cunt that will do whatever it takes to win, and has an annoying tendency to score clutch last-minute goals.

If I were a Real fan I would probably love him to death, just like I will always have a special place in my heart for Suarez (first at Ajax then at Liverpool), who also has a similar mentality.

Go beat your political drum elsewhere, this was an incredibly irrelevant, low-value post.

For any grown-up man, to "love a sportsman to death", is "incredibly irrelevant" to one's real life, and blue-pill.

I mean, as a grown-up man, how can you feel such a passion for another man, especially a half-illiterate footballer of whom you know nothing - just because he, as a good mercenary, put on the shirt of the city you live in, and kicks a plastic ball on a field.

It's okay to like watching sports and good-quality games, but, to be an actual fanatic, to "love a footballer to death", it's sad, it's no-life stuff. I personally like soccer, but would certainly not feel "love" or passion towards any footballer, especially as I, contrarily to you, have worked with some pro players, and know them for what they are (and they are no saints).

Now, back to Sergio Ramos (best defender on tiros de esquina, ever), I am quite positive that people like you and MSM would not dare hate on him like that if he was an African player.

And if you think soccer is not political, lol, go tell that to the best mid-fielder of France, A. Rabiot, who last week denounced that he was kept out of the French team because of political (and Islamist) plots. Of course soccer is all about politics, and money laundering, in most countries of the world.

By the way, it's funny that you profess to not be interested in "races" yet love Suarez at the same time, as Suarez is one of the most race-obsessed footballers ever, ask "El negrito este" Evra about it, or just anybody in Africa (where Suarez is intensely hated).
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(05-30-2018 06:12 AM)Going strong Wrote:  For any grown-up man, to "love a sportsman to death", is "incredibly irrelevant" to one's real life, and blue-pill.

I mean, as a grown-up man, how can you feel such a passion for another man, especially a half-illiterate footballer of whom you know nothing - just because he, as a good mercenary, put on the shirt of the city you live in, and kicks a plastic ball on a field.

It's okay to like watching sports and good-quality games, but, to be an actual fanatic, to "love a footballer to death", it's sad, it's no-life stuff. I personally like soccer, but would certainly not feel "love" or passion towards any footballer, especially as I, contrarily to you, have worked with some pro players, and know them for what they are (and they are no saints).

Now, back to Sergio Ramos (best defender on tiros de esquina, ever), I am quite positive that people like you and MSM would not dare hate on him like that if he was an African player.

And if you think soccer is not political, lol, go tell that to the best mid-fielder of France, A. Rabiot, who last week denounced that he was kept out of the French team because of political (and Islamist) plots. Of course soccer is all about politics, and money laundering, in most countries of the world.

By the way, it's funny that you profess to not be interested in "races" yet love Suarez at the same time, as Suarez is one of the most race-obsessed footballers ever, ask "El negrito este" Evra about it, or just anybody in Africa (where Suarez is intensely hated).

I'll be honest, I read your post but it was essentially the literary equivalent of autistic screeching.

Have a good one.

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Agreed, Going Strong just cannot resist the temptation to make everything political and about race. Maybe you should go to Russia as well Going Strong, I am sure you can find some likeminded hooligan clans there with whom to discuss all the important issues about race in football. Meanwhile, let the rest of us discuss the beautiful and more relevant aspects of the game here. I for one will not pay any more attention to anything you post here.
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