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(07-09-2019 08:55 PM)perro Wrote:  Man! The U.S. team sucks! How in the hell can America as big and as great as it is, and a breathing sports nation, sucks so bad at soccer? We should be able to dominate that sport. We dominate basketball, we dominate baseball, we dominate Boxing, we dominate golf, we dominate the damn Olympics, we dominate WOMEN'S soccer, why can't we fucking dominate Men's soccer? The team is trash.

Because you don't have enough poor people who are interested in soccer.



No, it is as simple as that. Let's be real, good soccer players are a dime a dozen even in the richest countries in the West. You can go to virtually any sizeable soccer club on a weekend and check out the under 10s or so, and you'll see at least one or two kids who have the talent. That's how common it is. And that's not counting kids who play up an age category. But at the end of the day, 75-80% of all kids who play soccer are only playing it 1-2 hours a week, and 1 of those hours is game day on the weekend.

But that's not where the professionals come from. They come from third world holes where there's too much corruption and too few consumer goods to do much else for entertainment but kick a soccer ball around. They don't have to worry about getting fat because they don't get as much food. And not only do those kids play, for hours on end, in streets, alleys, everywhere, but their parents and grandparents did the same thing, because that's literally all they've got. All that time screwing around with the ball, getting beat again and again by your slimy brother who'll go on to join a gang someday - that's where the experimentation, that's where the mastery happens. It is a full on crab bucket in soccer terms and it's a buyer's market for the big clubs who scope through these places looking for kids. For most kids who make it, that's their way out. And they'll crawl over glass for the shot at it. That's part of what generates the killer instinct that separates top class players from the jobbing ones.

It's simple. More poor uneducated flatheads from equatorial countries all living more or less on top of each other means it's easier to get teams together, have a lot of play, and develop the talent. Soccer is also a poor man's game in most of the world - hence why it's so popular outside the US - so there's a class thing going as well. And lastly, higher birth rates contribute, as with anything else. Not enough white kids with money can afford the outrageous fees to train a kid in the urbanised, pacified West, and the black kids can't afford it or don't care.

On top of that, European clubs don't give much of a toss about making sure you get educated while you're playing for them. You are to be drunk down and tossed over the shoulder like an empty beer can. Rightly or wrongly, the US doesn't really do that as such. Point being, it's more expensive to git gud at soccer in the US or other Western countries. Money can't buy you a professional spot as such, but unless you're a diversity case whom they throw a scholarship at, it's expensive. Doesn't take the same expense to get experience in cockroach hotels like Brazil.

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(07-11-2019 07:29 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 08:55 PM)perro Wrote:  Man! The U.S. team sucks! How in the hell can America as big and as great as it is, and a breathing sports nation, sucks so bad at soccer? We should be able to dominate that sport. We dominate basketball, we dominate baseball, we dominate Boxing, we dominate golf, we dominate the damn Olympics, we dominate WOMEN'S soccer, why can't we fucking dominate Men's soccer? The team is trash.

Because you don't have enough poor people who are interested in soccer.



No, it is as simple as that. Let's be real, good soccer players are a dime a dozen even in the richest countries in the West. You can go to virtually any sizeable soccer club on a weekend and check out the under 10s or so, and you'll see at least one or two kids who have the talent. That's how common it is. And that's not counting kids who play up an age category. But at the end of the day, 75-80% of all kids who play soccer are only playing it 1-2 hours a week, and 1 of those hours is game day on the weekend.

But that's not where the professionals come from. They come from third world holes where there's too much corruption and too few consumer goods to do much else for entertainment but kick a soccer ball around. They don't have to worry about getting fat because they don't get as much food. And not only do those kids play, for hours on end, in streets, alleys, everywhere, but their parents and grandparents did the same thing, because that's literally all they've got. All that time screwing around with the ball, getting beat again and again by your slimy brother who'll go on to join a gang someday - that's where the experimentation, that's where the mastery happens. It is a full on crab bucket in soccer terms and it's a buyer's market for the big clubs who scope through these places looking for kids. For most kids who make it, that's their way out. And they'll crawl over glass for the shot at it. That's part of what generates the killer instinct that separates top class players from the jobbing ones.

It's simple. More poor uneducated flatheads from equatorial countries all living more or less on top of each other means it's easier to get teams together, have a lot of play, and develop the talent. Soccer is also a poor man's game in most of the world - hence why it's so popular outside the US - so there's a class thing going as well. And lastly, higher birth rates contribute, as with anything else. Not enough white kids with money can afford the outrageous fees to train a kid in the urbanised, pacified West, and the black kids can't afford it or don't care.

On top of that, European clubs don't give much of a toss about making sure you get educated while you're playing for them. You are to be drunk down and tossed over the shoulder like an empty beer can. Rightly or wrongly, the US doesn't really do that as such. Point being, it's more expensive to git gud at soccer in the US or other Western countries. Money can't buy you a professional spot as such, but unless you're a diversity case whom they throw a scholarship at, it's expensive. Doesn't take the same expense to get experience in cockroach hotels like Brazil.

Sorry man, what you are describing looks more like boxing, not football (soccer).

Plenty or many of the world class players come from middle class or even upper classes, Messi, Kaká, Beckham, Figo, Bale, Griezmann, Buffon... of course there is a lost gem here in there in the favela or in the african clay streets.. But in terms of dominance of WC the European teams dominate the sport, Germany and Italy 4 times winners, France 2 times, plus England and Spain 1 each, the other winning teams are Brazil (5) , Uruguai (2) and Argentina (2), and while some parts of any of these countries can be shitholes including the european ones...none of them are 3d world.

Plus no matter if the kid is white, or black or yellow, if the kid is good, any club will pay the expenses for having him training with them, even giving a salary to schoolboys.

Plus is not a poor person game in the rest of the world. Is the more universal sport, the one who generates more money, who generates more passion, who has more practicioners and who has more enthusiasts and fans around the world.

In my country (Portugal) is like an epidemic, everybody loves this game, rich, poor, medium... I would say 30% of tv shows are about football, and even the tv news open with a high profile transfer or with the aftermath of the weekend big clash. I can speak also for Spain which is the same.

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Agree with Rocha. Also note that there are tens of millions of poor kids in Mexico, far more than in Argentina or Uruguay, and soccer is #1 sport there as well, but they haven't produced anything.

It's a matter of soccer culture/style, Mexico's is weak. The US soccer culture is a suburban/college culture, soccer moms, participation trophies and playdates won't produce world class players.

The US dominates women's soccer because the women sports culture in the US is a bull dykish, aggressive masculine culture, and with massive resources behind it (thousands of college scholarships, more than for men), so no wonder they dominate the sport.

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(07-11-2019 02:32 PM)911 Wrote:  Agree with Rocha. Also note that there are tens of millions of poor kids in Mexico, far more than in Argentina or Uruguay, and soccer is #1 sport there as well, but they haven't produced anything.

It's a matter of soccer culture/style, Mexico's is weak. The US soccer culture is a suburban/college culture, soccer moms, participation trophies and playdates won't produce world class players.

The US dominates women's soccer because the women sports culture in the US is a bull dykish, aggressive masculine culture, and with massive resources behind it (thousands of college scholarships, more than for men), so no wonder they dominate the sport.

Also, the US has probably the #1 women's league for club soccer (not that i've ever seen it). Of course there's not a lot of competition, I think Germany has a pretty good women's league also, but there aren't many others I know of. So you have most of the best women from around the world who come to the US to play club soccer, giving the natives the best training partners in the world without having to leave home. Not that it's very profitable or anything, but like you said US women's soccer has massive resources behind it. Because of Title IX and gender equality rules, the US probably wastes the most money on women's soccer without ever turning a profit or getting a ROI from ad revenue or sponsorships. It's a loss leader, unless you count winning the women's world cup as ROI...

So, Club soccer performance directly correlates to international soccer of course. If the MLS wasn't a retirement/vacation league the American players might have better competition and get better quickly. But they have to go to Europe, usually England or Germany, to find high level quality competition, and only a handful of Americans like Pulisic or McKennie ever make it big overseas. It's the opposite for the women, any female soccer player knows her only chance of having a career as a pro is to make it to the USA.
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I think the women's pro soccer circuit in Europe is top-notch, Rapinoe and Morgan both played pro ball in France. Some of the big clubs like OL (Lyon) invested in the women sport. That's why the gap between the USWNT and France or Holland has narrowed a bit.

I liked the Japanese women's team, they have a feminine image, their nickname is the Nadeshiko, or pink carnations, which is the embodiment of traditional Japanese femininity, and they played a nice dynamic passing style using the field well, compensating their smaller physical stature. The field is bigger in the women's game because the players are slower, so that style is a winning approach.

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The other winning approach is straight out physicality, sort of the equivalent of Serena Williams tennis style applied to soccer, that's a bit of the style used by the USWNT, in particular with players like Wombach or Rapinoe.

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Perhaps I don't know enough about the sport, but in my opinion, you can throw any D2 level athlete on the pitch in a high-level league and it'd take a long time for them to be exposed.

Task that same guy with bringing the ball up the court, hitting an 88 mph slider, or covering a quick slant and even the laymen sees that he's out of his element within minutes.

But perhaps a seasoned soccer fan can pick out the scrub on the pitch as quickly as I can on the court.

One thing that is exceedingly annoying for me as I try to watch the men's WC is the complete bed shitting of kicks on goal. Some of the misses are so off that it reminds me a blindfolded special olympian attempting a layup with their offhand.
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(07-11-2019 04:32 PM)la bodhisattva Wrote:  Perhaps I don't know enough about the sport, but in my opinion, you can throw any D2 level athlete on the pitch in a high-level league and it'd take a long time for them to be exposed.

Task that same guy with bringing the ball up the court, hitting an 88 mph slider, or covering a quick slant and even the laymen sees that he's out of his element within minutes.

But perhaps a seasoned soccer fan can pick out the scrub on the pitch as quickly as I can on the court.

One thing that is exceedingly annoying for me as I try to watch the men's WC is the complete bed shitting of kicks on goal. Some of the misses are so off that it reminds me a blindfolded special olympian attempting a layup with their offhand.

A D2 level soccer player would fit in at a high-level league for exactly as long as he did not have to touch the ball... or make a play... or do anything other than run around on the field. The same goes for most D1 players, MLS, and lower-skilled European leagues.

Anyone at the collegiate level has the touch and presence of a baby elephant compared to the highest level of professionals.
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America didn't quality for the last World Cup, despite all the money they are putting towards their team and league.

The skill level, speed and athleticism in the European and South American leagues is on another level.

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