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(07-09-2019 08:55 PM)perro Wrote:  Man! The U.S. team sucks! How in the hell can America as big and as great as it is, and a breathing sports nation, sucks so bad at soccer? We should be able to dominate that sport. We dominate basketball, we dominate baseball, we dominate Boxing, we dominate golf, we dominate the damn Olympics, we dominate WOMEN'S soccer, why can't we fucking dominate Men's soccer? The team is trash.

Because you don't have enough poor people who are interested in soccer.



No, it is as simple as that. Let's be real, good soccer players are a dime a dozen even in the richest countries in the West. You can go to virtually any sizeable soccer club on a weekend and check out the under 10s or so, and you'll see at least one or two kids who have the talent. That's how common it is. And that's not counting kids who play up an age category. But at the end of the day, 75-80% of all kids who play soccer are only playing it 1-2 hours a week, and 1 of those hours is game day on the weekend.

But that's not where the professionals come from. They come from third world holes where there's too much corruption and too few consumer goods to do much else for entertainment but kick a soccer ball around. They don't have to worry about getting fat because they don't get as much food. And not only do those kids play, for hours on end, in streets, alleys, everywhere, but their parents and grandparents did the same thing, because that's literally all they've got. All that time screwing around with the ball, getting beat again and again by your slimy brother who'll go on to join a gang someday - that's where the experimentation, that's where the mastery happens. It is a full on crab bucket in soccer terms and it's a buyer's market for the big clubs who scope through these places looking for kids. For most kids who make it, that's their way out. And they'll crawl over glass for the shot at it. That's part of what generates the killer instinct that separates top class players from the jobbing ones.

It's simple. More poor uneducated flatheads from equatorial countries all living more or less on top of each other means it's easier to get teams together, have a lot of play, and develop the talent. Soccer is also a poor man's game in most of the world - hence why it's so popular outside the US - so there's a class thing going as well. And lastly, higher birth rates contribute, as with anything else. Not enough white kids with money can afford the outrageous fees to train a kid in the urbanised, pacified West, and the black kids can't afford it or don't care.

On top of that, European clubs don't give much of a toss about making sure you get educated while you're playing for them. You are to be drunk down and tossed over the shoulder like an empty beer can. Rightly or wrongly, the US doesn't really do that as such. Point being, it's more expensive to git gud at soccer in the US or other Western countries. Money can't buy you a professional spot as such, but unless you're a diversity case whom they throw a scholarship at, it's expensive. Doesn't take the same expense to get experience in cockroach hotels like Brazil.

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(07-11-2019 07:29 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 08:55 PM)perro Wrote:  Man! The U.S. team sucks! How in the hell can America as big and as great as it is, and a breathing sports nation, sucks so bad at soccer? We should be able to dominate that sport. We dominate basketball, we dominate baseball, we dominate Boxing, we dominate golf, we dominate the damn Olympics, we dominate WOMEN'S soccer, why can't we fucking dominate Men's soccer? The team is trash.

Because you don't have enough poor people who are interested in soccer.



No, it is as simple as that. Let's be real, good soccer players are a dime a dozen even in the richest countries in the West. You can go to virtually any sizeable soccer club on a weekend and check out the under 10s or so, and you'll see at least one or two kids who have the talent. That's how common it is. And that's not counting kids who play up an age category. But at the end of the day, 75-80% of all kids who play soccer are only playing it 1-2 hours a week, and 1 of those hours is game day on the weekend.

But that's not where the professionals come from. They come from third world holes where there's too much corruption and too few consumer goods to do much else for entertainment but kick a soccer ball around. They don't have to worry about getting fat because they don't get as much food. And not only do those kids play, for hours on end, in streets, alleys, everywhere, but their parents and grandparents did the same thing, because that's literally all they've got. All that time screwing around with the ball, getting beat again and again by your slimy brother who'll go on to join a gang someday - that's where the experimentation, that's where the mastery happens. It is a full on crab bucket in soccer terms and it's a buyer's market for the big clubs who scope through these places looking for kids. For most kids who make it, that's their way out. And they'll crawl over glass for the shot at it. That's part of what generates the killer instinct that separates top class players from the jobbing ones.

It's simple. More poor uneducated flatheads from equatorial countries all living more or less on top of each other means it's easier to get teams together, have a lot of play, and develop the talent. Soccer is also a poor man's game in most of the world - hence why it's so popular outside the US - so there's a class thing going as well. And lastly, higher birth rates contribute, as with anything else. Not enough white kids with money can afford the outrageous fees to train a kid in the urbanised, pacified West, and the black kids can't afford it or don't care.

On top of that, European clubs don't give much of a toss about making sure you get educated while you're playing for them. You are to be drunk down and tossed over the shoulder like an empty beer can. Rightly or wrongly, the US doesn't really do that as such. Point being, it's more expensive to git gud at soccer in the US or other Western countries. Money can't buy you a professional spot as such, but unless you're a diversity case whom they throw a scholarship at, it's expensive. Doesn't take the same expense to get experience in cockroach hotels like Brazil.

Sorry man, what you are describing looks more like boxing, not football (soccer).

Plenty or many of the world class players come from middle class or even upper classes, Messi, Kaká, Beckham, Figo, Bale, Griezmann, Buffon... of course there is a lost gem here in there in the favela or in the african clay streets.. But in terms of dominance of WC the European teams dominate the sport, Germany and Italy 4 times winners, France 2 times, plus England and Spain 1 each, the other winning teams are Brazil (5) , Uruguai (2) and Argentina (2), and while some parts of any of these countries can be shitholes including the european ones...none of them are 3d world.

Plus no matter if the kid is white, or black or yellow, if the kid is good, any club will pay the expenses for having him training with them, even giving a salary to schoolboys.

Plus is not a poor person game in the rest of the world. Is the more universal sport, the one who generates more money, who generates more passion, who has more practicioners and who has more enthusiasts and fans around the world.

In my country (Portugal) is like an epidemic, everybody loves this game, rich, poor, medium... I would say 30% of tv shows are about football, and even the tv news open with a high profile transfer or with the aftermath of the weekend big clash. I can speak also for Spain which is the same.

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Agree with Rocha. Also note that there are tens of millions of poor kids in Mexico, far more than in Argentina or Uruguay, and soccer is #1 sport there as well, but they haven't produced anything.

It's a matter of soccer culture/style, Mexico's is weak. The US soccer culture is a suburban/college culture, soccer moms, participation trophies and playdates won't produce world class players.

The US dominates women's soccer because the women sports culture in the US is a bull dykish, aggressive masculine culture, and with massive resources behind it (thousands of college scholarships, more than for men), so no wonder they dominate the sport.

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(07-11-2019 02:32 PM)911 Wrote:  Agree with Rocha. Also note that there are tens of millions of poor kids in Mexico, far more than in Argentina or Uruguay, and soccer is #1 sport there as well, but they haven't produced anything.

It's a matter of soccer culture/style, Mexico's is weak. The US soccer culture is a suburban/college culture, soccer moms, participation trophies and playdates won't produce world class players.

The US dominates women's soccer because the women sports culture in the US is a bull dykish, aggressive masculine culture, and with massive resources behind it (thousands of college scholarships, more than for men), so no wonder they dominate the sport.

Also, the US has probably the #1 women's league for club soccer (not that i've ever seen it). Of course there's not a lot of competition, I think Germany has a pretty good women's league also, but there aren't many others I know of. So you have most of the best women from around the world who come to the US to play club soccer, giving the natives the best training partners in the world without having to leave home. Not that it's very profitable or anything, but like you said US women's soccer has massive resources behind it. Because of Title IX and gender equality rules, the US probably wastes the most money on women's soccer without ever turning a profit or getting a ROI from ad revenue or sponsorships. It's a loss leader, unless you count winning the women's world cup as ROI...

So, Club soccer performance directly correlates to international soccer of course. If the MLS wasn't a retirement/vacation league the American players might have better competition and get better quickly. But they have to go to Europe, usually England or Germany, to find high level quality competition, and only a handful of Americans like Pulisic or McKennie ever make it big overseas. It's the opposite for the women, any female soccer player knows her only chance of having a career as a pro is to make it to the USA.
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I think the women's pro soccer circuit in Europe is top-notch, Rapinoe and Morgan both played pro ball in France. Some of the big clubs like OL (Lyon) invested in the women sport. That's why the gap between the USWNT and France or Holland has narrowed a bit.

I liked the Japanese women's team, they have a feminine image, their nickname is the Nadeshiko, or pink carnations, which is the embodiment of traditional Japanese femininity, and they played a nice dynamic passing style using the field well, compensating their smaller physical stature. The field is bigger in the women's game because the players are slower, so that style is a winning approach.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-61308...pid1512264

The other winning approach is straight out physicality, sort of the equivalent of Serena Williams tennis style applied to soccer, that's a bit of the style used by the USWNT, in particular with players like Wombach or Rapinoe.

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Perhaps I don't know enough about the sport, but in my opinion, you can throw any D2 level athlete on the pitch in a high-level league and it'd take a long time for them to be exposed.

Task that same guy with bringing the ball up the court, hitting an 88 mph slider, or covering a quick slant and even the laymen sees that he's out of his element within minutes.

But perhaps a seasoned soccer fan can pick out the scrub on the pitch as quickly as I can on the court.

One thing that is exceedingly annoying for me as I try to watch the men's WC is the complete bed shitting of kicks on goal. Some of the misses are so off that it reminds me a blindfolded special olympian attempting a layup with their offhand.
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(07-11-2019 04:32 PM)la bodhisattva Wrote:  Perhaps I don't know enough about the sport, but in my opinion, you can throw any D2 level athlete on the pitch in a high-level league and it'd take a long time for them to be exposed.

Task that same guy with bringing the ball up the court, hitting an 88 mph slider, or covering a quick slant and even the laymen sees that he's out of his element within minutes.

But perhaps a seasoned soccer fan can pick out the scrub on the pitch as quickly as I can on the court.

One thing that is exceedingly annoying for me as I try to watch the men's WC is the complete bed shitting of kicks on goal. Some of the misses are so off that it reminds me a blindfolded special olympian attempting a layup with their offhand.

A D2 level soccer player would fit in at a high-level league for exactly as long as he did not have to touch the ball... or make a play... or do anything other than run around on the field. The same goes for most D1 players, MLS, and lower-skilled European leagues.

Anyone at the collegiate level has the touch and presence of a baby elephant compared to the highest level of professionals.
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America didn't quality for the last World Cup, despite all the money they are putting towards their team and league.

The skill level, speed and athleticism in the European and South American leagues is on another level.

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Was contemplating copping Jaelene Hinkle's club jersey in support of her getting snubbed from the world cup dyke squad because she refused to wear the anal sex pride national jersey but, meh.

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Anybody notice the all female officiating staff for the UEFA SuperCup?

The lead official made a bad call and gave Chelsea an undeserved penalty. Hilariously, the Liverpool players didn't dare get in her face or protest like they would if the ref was a man. This is obviously the beginning of placing more female officials in men's sports (step 1 towards ruining them), they'll soon be able to accuse male players of harassment just for giving female officials a dirty look for bad decisions. Que the fines, suspensions, etc.

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The goal is mix teams. Unfortunately they will ruin football.
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(07-11-2019 07:07 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  America didn't quality for the last World Cup, despite all the money they are putting towards their team and league.

The skill level, speed and athleticism in the European and South American leagues is on another level.

American top talent goes simply to different sports. A lot of top soccer players have multiple talents and could be playing at different sports as well - baseball, tennis, golf, some even NFL running backs, NHL even. Several elite soccer players reported that they had the option of going pro at a different sport in their teens.

Most other countries in the world - their absolute main talent goes only to soccer and almost nowhere else. If the US did that, then they would have a fantastic team - probably in the top 3 constantly. The raw athletic power there is huge, but the talented guys are doing something else.
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(08-16-2019 11:05 AM)conspirator Wrote:  The goal is mix teams. Unfortunately they will ruin football.

Not a chance. The men will obliterate any woman. May be trannies but not full-on females.
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(07-11-2019 07:07 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  America didn't quality for the last World Cup, despite all the money they are putting towards their team and league.

The skill level, speed and athleticism in the European and South American leagues is on another level.

American top talent goes simply to different sports. A lot of top soccer players have multiple talents and could be playing at different sports as well - baseball, tennis, golf, some even NFL running backs, NHL even. Several elite soccer players reported that they had the option of going pro at a different sport in their teens.

Most other countries in the world - their absolute main talent goes only to soccer and almost nowhere else. If the US did that, then they would have a fantastic team - probably in the top 3 constantly. The raw athletic power there is huge, but the talented guys are doing something else.

I played soccer at a high level, pro farm team.

Top soccer players cannot play those sports you listed. NFL, NHL and baseball, have you seen the size of those guys, do you understand the upper body strength that is needed for those sports.

The raw athletic power maybe huge in America, but despite a massive population they were unable to make the last World Cup.
Funny how small nations like Bosnia and Panama had the "raw" talent to make the tournament.

As Ibrahimovic stated, he is a Ferrari playing against Fiat's in the MLS.

He is almost 40, which should show you the talent level in the league.

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Atlanta MLS just beat Mexico’s champion.
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SS doesn't understand soccer, the USMNT sucks because US soccer culture is very weak. It's a culture mired with playdates, suburban van soccer moms, 5 year olds playing in uniforms with referees, NCAA weird rules etc. The US and Canada suck at soccer for the same reasons Europe sucks at basketball, the sport's culture is weak.

Conversely, the US excels at basketball for the same reasons, the sport's culture is superior, with a combination of loose and intense playground culture and high level structured leagues from the HS level on to the NCAA.

The common misconception that Americans have about soccer is that they underperform because their "athletes" aren't into soccer. If you look at the all-time soccer greats, nearly all of them were not particularly gifted in terms of raw atheltics. Guys like Platini, Cruijff, Beckenbauer, Zico, Sócrates, Maradona, Maldini, Ronaldinho were gods on the field, completely untouchable dominating the game due to their exceptional technical skills, intelligence and feel for the game, yet they weren't speed freaks or athletic monsters.

Small countries with superior soccer cultures regularly outperform huge countries with weak soccer cultures. Compare for instance Uruguay to Mexico. Soccer is #1 in both countries, Mexico is nearly 40 times the population, but they have have never amounted to anything while Uruguay, with the population of Minneapolis-St Paul, has won the World Cup twice and made the final 4 twice. Superior soccer culture.

Same with Holland, which has a superior soccer culture, and Russia/USSR, which has over 10 times the population and nowhere near the results of Holland on the big stage. The countries that dominate world soccer are those with superior soccer cultures and large populations, like Germany, Brazil, Italy and France. Smaller contries with great soccer cultures like Holland, Belgium, Uruguay or the Yugoslavias occasionally challenge the bigger countries when a generation of talented players emerges.

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Football(soccer) has some art to it rather than just pure physicality. That is what makes it so special. With enough intelligence and technical skills, an alright physical team can defeat a very physically imposing team. Great teams have almost purely relied on innovative technique, entertaing strategy and artistic football to dominate the game such as Dutch 70s, Brazil 82 or Guardiola's Barcelona.

Soccer culture in US completely lacks that artistic, fun vibe. It is played more like basketball; rushed, fast and tumultous. Even just a normal pick up game in US soccer will have rest of your teammates always shouting 'if you need me', 'drop', 'turn, 'on you' and bla bla as if everyone is on edge. It's highly infuriating. There is no sense of silent coordination; Like a dance, where you are watching the guy with the ball, thinking his next move, making space and accordingly receiving that pass.

Additionally, there is no desire either to play soccer beautifully or to play exiliratingly. Watching varsity soccer itself is cringeworthy as to how boring and soulless it is. Soccer is meant to be enjoyed and expressed.

Lastly, no one keeps scores or plays to an outcome in most pick up games in the US, which is ridiculous. Play anywhere else in the world and everyone wants to play a match, which makes it more fun and thrilling.
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^What you describe is called the "Beautiful Game".

Barcelona tik-tak football was created by Cryuff, who played for Holland in the 70s.

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(08-16-2019 11:47 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  
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(07-11-2019 07:07 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  America didn't quality for the last World Cup, despite all the money they are putting towards their team and league.

The skill level, speed and athleticism in the European and South American leagues is on another level.

American top talent goes simply to different sports. A lot of top soccer players have multiple talents and could be playing at different sports as well - baseball, tennis, golf, some even NFL running backs, NHL even. Several elite soccer players reported that they had the option of going pro at a different sport in their teens.

Most other countries in the world - their absolute main talent goes only to soccer and almost nowhere else. If the US did that, then they would have a fantastic team - probably in the top 3 constantly. The raw athletic power there is huge, but the talented guys are doing something else.

I played soccer at a high level, pro farm team.

Top soccer players cannot play those sports you listed. NFL, NHL and baseball, have you seen the size of those guys, do you understand the upper body strength that is needed for those sports.

The raw athletic power maybe huge in America, but despite a massive population they were unable to make the last World Cup.
Funny how small nations like Bosnia and Panama had the "raw" talent to make the tournament.

As Ibrahimovic stated, he is a Ferrari playing against Fiat's in the MLS.

He is almost 40, which should show you the talent level in the league.

What I meant that many have an enormous talent with the ball. But obviously that means that the guys would have to play 2 sports quite competitively since childhood and hardly any plays soccer in the US. The best guys are going to do something else.

I remember Boris Becker having both soccer as well as tennis on his roster aged 13. Other American top tennis players said that they had to decide at age 15 whether to go to tennis or baseball because they were good enough to go pro at both.

The MLS league is a joke of course, but that is based on popularity in the US. But sure - it's all coulda-woulda arguments, but I stand by it. The US soccer team without the other far more popular sports would be world-class. Plenty of baseball players in the US likely would be playing soccer as well.

But I doubt that any of the top 200 talented men in the US were thinking of soccer when picking their sport in childhood. And yes - the lack of good local teams is also a huge factor in the US.
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It will. By quotas if necessary. It will probably start by goalkeepers.
The artificial boost in women football is designed to achieve mix teams.
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Zlatan though is something special. The guy was dominating at PSG in his early 30s and was scoring quite a few goals for Manchester United at what, 36 or 37 years of age?

Granted MLS still is way too much of a retirement league, but getting better.

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Clown world continues:
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3 of the 10 nominees for the FIFA puskas award (best goal of the year) are women.
That's right. Women are right up there with Lionel Messi and Zlatan, because feels.

Goals like this in female competition (funny comments)




Are now up there in skill with goals like this in male competition




Notice the fake/jacked up crowd reaction volume in the first video versus the muted crowd volume in Messi's video? He scored his during an away match against Real Betis and the entire rival stadium applauded him and chanted his name for that goal. Thanks (((FIFA)))

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RE: The Soccer Thread
(08-16-2019 11:47 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 11:17 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(07-11-2019 07:07 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  America didn't quality for the last World Cup, despite all the money they are putting towards their team and league.

The skill level, speed and athleticism in the European and South American leagues is on another level.

American top talent goes simply to different sports. A lot of top soccer players have multiple talents and could be playing at different sports as well - baseball, tennis, golf, some even NFL running backs, NHL even. Several elite soccer players reported that they had the option of going pro at a different sport in their teens.

Most other countries in the world - their absolute main talent goes only to soccer and almost nowhere else. If the US did that, then they would have a fantastic team - probably in the top 3 constantly. The raw athletic power there is huge, but the talented guys are doing something else.

I played soccer at a high level, pro farm team.

Top soccer players cannot play those sports you listed. NFL, NHL and baseball, have you seen the size of those guys, do you understand the upper body strength that is needed for those sports.

The raw athletic power maybe huge in America, but despite a massive population they were unable to make the last World Cup.
Funny how small nations like Bosnia and Panama had the "raw" talent to make the tournament.

As Ibrahimovic stated, he is a Ferrari playing against Fiat's in the MLS.

He is almost 40, which should show you the talent level in the league.

Rudebwoy - one little story that demonstrated this "ball-talent" was when I played tennis against a buddy who had previously been on a pro-soccer track in his Western European country. When he was 14 he was asked whether he wanted to enter their pro-preparation team, he was already offered some sort of contract, but he decided against it as 14yo boys sometimes make emotional decisions. No idea whether he regrets that now.

Either way - the difference between his raw talent and mine became clear when we played tennis. He played tennis for the first time while I came off years of playing with a full grasp of the entire gamut of techniques. After showing him the basics we played for 2 hours and quickly he began to hit super-effective fast balls back at me as if he was playing for years. He did not have the topspin techniques down, but his talent was simply so far above mine and above the average player that he would likely outclass everyone in the club within weeks.

That is the power of this raw talent. Obviously in soccer you need a certain athleticism, speed, even lower leg musculature - but the raw talent that can be transferred elsewhere is one big advantage that all high-tier pros have.

For example - a guy like Tiger Woods may have been able to become a soccer or tennis pro if he had started out early, though golf pays obviously better than both anyway.
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