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RE: Preserve your eyesight, fall asleep easier... get F.lux!
Not sure if it is on other Andriod phones but my Samsung S7 has an option for color shifting in the settings menu.

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RE: Preserve your eyesight, fall asleep easier... get F.lux!
I downloaded the Dim Screen app earlier. Flux (and similar apps) are good but when you are working in a dark room, even the minimum brightness can be too much. Plus, seems to help with battery usage on your laptop.

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RE: Preserve your eyesight, fall asleep easier... get F.lux!
For all the linux boys here, redshift works very similarly

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RE: Preserve your eyesight, fall asleep easier... get F.lux!
It seems that Windows 10 (latest update), now has this feature built in called "Night light" under the "Display" settings.

Seems to do what F.lux does. Banana

https://www.howtogeek.com/302186/how-to-...windows-10

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RE: Preserve your eyesight, fall asleep easier... get F.lux!
I've been setting all of my TVs to "warm" so I can watch TV late and then go right to sleep.

I wish I knew this as a kid because I always struggled to enjoy late night game sessions.
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RE: Preserve your eyesight, fall asleep easier... get F.lux!
Going to start using this! Always good to have healthier eyes, Thanks!
11-06-2017 05:37 PM
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RE: Preserve your eyesight, fall asleep easier... get F.lux!
Android users:

Twilight is probably the best Flux-like app available, the free version is pretty good. It can get in the way of screenshots as it tints your screen, but easy enough to turn it on / off..

The same team that made that also recently released an app called KineStop - it puts a "horizon" line on your phone which helps you avoid motion sickness when you're commuting, on a train / bus / etc...I've been using it for a week or two, and have found it pretty useful.

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RE: Preserve your eyesight, fall asleep easier... get F.lux!
(01-12-2014 10:49 PM)Architekt Wrote:  After about a day of testing, it definitely makes the screen easier to look at during the later hours. I did fall asleep pretty early, but I have been trying to get into a normal routine and physical tired myself out beforehand also, so it could be any of those things. At this stage I intend to keep testing it

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12-03-2018 08:35 AM
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RE: Preserve your eyesight, fall asleep easier... get F.lux!
Flux added a feature - might only be for Windows but I'm not positive - to set your screen to grayscale. I tried it out for a bit and it definitely seemed to cut down on unwanted distractions.

I guess it's the same psychological concept as the monotone cigarette packs some countries are enforcing.

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RE: Preserve your eyesight, fall asleep easier... get F.lux!
I have grayscale on my iPhone permanently, on the computer it just ended up being annoying because I had to turn it off to do certain work things.

By the way if flux is not working correctly you need to update your display drivers.

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RE: Preserve your eyesight, fall asleep easier... get F.lux!
Important PSA

First of all I should state that I've always been a big advocate of this app. I've been using it for maybe 10 years, pretty much since it first came out.

Recently, I did a bit of research and trial/error, and I have realized that the triple action "Daytime/Sunset/Bedtime" settings (each filtering out more blue light than the previous one) could actually be a great detriment to one's evening productivity.

So there's the daytime setting with no (or minimal) amount of blue light filtering. The "sunset" setting in flux is (by default) active between your local sunset time and your "bedtime". The "bedtime" in flux is the wakeup time you set in the preferences minus 9 hours, so if you left it default your bedtime is set at 11pm. Then at "bedtime" your color screen essentially becomes shades of yellow -- almost no blue light at all.

Here's the catch: If you live on a high enough latitude that you get shitty winter sunset times, like around 3-4pm (like I do) the "sunset" setting activates too early for your biological clock to keep a proper circadian rhythm.

Especially if your work is computer-based this "sunset" shit kicks in way too early and causes your brain to signal your somatic system (peripheral nervous system) to dial itself down, causing you to start feeling foggy and sluggish at times like 5-6pm at which time you're still supposed to be doing things; computer-work or otherwise.

Think about this: You sit at the computer all day. Flux kicks in at your 3pm sunset. You come home at 6pm and you're feeling sluggish AF. No energy left to cook, go to the gym, do laundry, whatever. Maybe you need to finish up on a work email that you left hanging, so you open your laptop at 7pm to churn it out quickly. The moment that yellow-shaded screen comes on, you start feeling foggy, you're like "oh fuck this but whatever lets just shit this thing out" you open your email app but you can't put 2 words together.

Does it sound familiar? No shit. You've been subject to essentially reverse bright light therapy.

If you live somewhere where you can't get enough sunlight you actually DO need the blue light exposure that flux conveniently filters out.

1-2 hours of lack of blue light exposure before bedtime is more than enough to keep a proper circadian rhythm.

This supposed "productivity" app has actually been fucking with my productivity and I wasn't even aware.

Well, fuck that shit. Here's the solution I developed:
  • Until 10pm: No filtering. No flux. None at all. Full-on fucking blue light baby. I can't get sunlight where I live, so as it turns out, my body was actually craving that frequency of light so bad, that the moment I switched it off I got a huge mood boost.
  • After 10pm: No computer. Put the laptop down. Turn off the TV. You may read a book, listen to some music, smoke a cigar, go meet a friend or FWB, whatever. Just no staring at a light source, f.lux'ed or otherwise.

Do these and you'll see. Huge mood boost. Huge productivity boost. Restlessness, nervousness and anxiety goes down. Awesome goes up.

I still have 'night shift' mode enabled on my phone because sometimes I check it late at night (if I cant fall asleep in bed) and I don't want the blue light to fuck with the rest of my night. But no f.lux on the computer.

To summarize, If the following apply to you:
  • Shit sunset (4:30pm or earlier)
  • Weather always cloudy/overcast, not enough sunlight
  • Office based work
  • Evening hours sluggishness (as I described above)

Kick that f.lux shit to the curb. Try it for a week and see for yourself. You'll thank me later.

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RE: Preserve your eyesight, fall asleep easier... get F.lux!
I have been using this for 5 years now at 2750k 24/7.

The problem also extends to every light in your house though, not just computer screen.

Ideally, you'd turn off all lights closer to bedtime.

Other things to improve sleep: ideal temperature is around 60-70F, although I go 68-72F. Somewhat colder bodies are easier to slip into sleep and deeper sleep.

Continuous sleep is also obviously ideal; so wear earplugs if noise is issue.
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(01-11-2019 02:52 AM)BeefStew Wrote:  I have been using this for 5 years now at 2750k 24/7.

The problem also extends to every light in your house though, not just computer screen.

Ideally, you'd turn off all lights closer to bedtime.

This is also true. When I move to a new place, first thing I do is replace all lightbulbs. I only buy light sources 2700k or below, and no fluorescent lighting because the flickering fucks with you as well. LED, halogen or even old-school incandescent is fine. (Nowadays it's cheap enough so I prefer LED) I never use overhead lighting either.

I've had exactly 1 person throughout my life who complained that my pad was too dimly lit. Everyone else finds it cozy and comforting.

As to f.lux: I have always used it on default settings because I couldn't be bothered to adjust all those settings.

Now I chose to keep the blue light because I rarely see actual sunlight where I live. My productivity immediately went up.

I think I'll eventually do what you did, but with a higher white point than yours, 2750k sounds way too low. I'll probably pick a value ~4000k and keep it 24/7.

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(01-11-2019 02:47 AM)the Thing Wrote:  Important PSA

First of all I should state that I've always been a big advocate of this app. I've been using it for maybe 10 years, pretty much since it first came out.

Recently, I did a bit of research and trial/error, and I have realized that the triple action "Daytime/Sunset/Bedtime" settings (each filtering out more blue light than the previous one) could actually be a great detriment to one's evening productivity.

So there's the daytime setting with no (or minimal) amount of blue light filtering. The "sunset" setting in flux is (by default) active between your local sunset time and your "bedtime". The "bedtime" in flux is the wakeup time you set in the preferences minus 9 hours, so if you left it default your bedtime is set at 11pm. Then at "bedtime" your color screen essentially becomes shades of yellow -- almost no blue light at all.

Here's the catch: If you live on a high enough latitude that you get shitty winter sunset times, like around 3-4pm (like I do) the "sunset" setting activates too early for your biological clock to keep a proper circadian rhythm.

Especially if your work is computer-based this "sunset" shit kicks in way too early and causes your brain to signal your somatic system (peripheral nervous system) to dial itself down, causing you to start feeling foggy and sluggish at times like 5-6pm at which time you're still supposed to be doing things; computer-work or otherwise.

Think about this: You sit at the computer all day. Flux kicks in at your 3pm sunset. You come home at 6pm and you're feeling sluggish AF. No energy left to cook, go to the gym, do laundry, whatever. Maybe you need to finish up on a work email that you left hanging, so you open your laptop at 7pm to churn it out quickly. The moment that yellow-shaded screen comes on, you start feeling foggy, you're like "oh fuck this but whatever lets just shit this thing out" you open your email app but you can't put 2 words together.

Does it sound familiar? No shit. You've been subject to essentially reverse bright light therapy.

If you live somewhere where you can't get enough sunlight you actually DO need the blue light exposure that flux conveniently filters out.

1-2 hours of lack of blue light exposure before bedtime is more than enough to keep a proper circadian rhythm.

This supposed "productivity" app has actually been fucking with my productivity and I wasn't even aware.

Wouldn't an easier solution be to tell F.lux you're at a much lower latitude? Seems to solve your problem.
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(01-11-2019 04:42 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 02:47 AM)the Thing Wrote:  Important PSA

First of all I should state that I've always been a big advocate of this app. I've been using it for maybe 10 years, pretty much since it first came out.

Recently, I did a bit of research and trial/error, and I have realized that the triple action "Daytime/Sunset/Bedtime" settings (each filtering out more blue light than the previous one) could actually be a great detriment to one's evening productivity.

So there's the daytime setting with no (or minimal) amount of blue light filtering. The "sunset" setting in flux is (by default) active between your local sunset time and your "bedtime". The "bedtime" in flux is the wakeup time you set in the preferences minus 9 hours, so if you left it default your bedtime is set at 11pm. Then at "bedtime" your color screen essentially becomes shades of yellow -- almost no blue light at all.

Here's the catch: If you live on a high enough latitude that you get shitty winter sunset times, like around 3-4pm (like I do) the "sunset" setting activates too early for your biological clock to keep a proper circadian rhythm.

Especially if your work is computer-based this "sunset" shit kicks in way too early and causes your brain to signal your somatic system (peripheral nervous system) to dial itself down, causing you to start feeling foggy and sluggish at times like 5-6pm at which time you're still supposed to be doing things; computer-work or otherwise.

Think about this: You sit at the computer all day. Flux kicks in at your 3pm sunset. You come home at 6pm and you're feeling sluggish AF. No energy left to cook, go to the gym, do laundry, whatever. Maybe you need to finish up on a work email that you left hanging, so you open your laptop at 7pm to churn it out quickly. The moment that yellow-shaded screen comes on, you start feeling foggy, you're like "oh fuck this but whatever lets just shit this thing out" you open your email app but you can't put 2 words together.

Does it sound familiar? No shit. You've been subject to essentially reverse bright light therapy.

If you live somewhere where you can't get enough sunlight you actually DO need the blue light exposure that flux conveniently filters out.

1-2 hours of lack of blue light exposure before bedtime is more than enough to keep a proper circadian rhythm.

This supposed "productivity" app has actually been fucking with my productivity and I wasn't even aware.

Wouldn't an easier solution be to tell F.lux you're at a much lower latitude? Seems to solve your problem.

Important PSA that kind of overrides the previous PSA: F.lux apparently has a setting called "far from the equator" that makes the light filtering more acceptable for higher latitudes. If you're far from the equator, pick that one to avoid evening fatigue.

I should have looked at all the settings, heh.

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