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When I was in elementary school we had teamball.

Volleyball court with no net.

Volleyball ball.

The teams face each other like volleyball teams.

Most guys on a team start in (in the court).

3-4 guys start out (behind the other team standing behind the line of the court).

You throw the ball at each other. If you get hit but don't catch the ball, you're out and have to go to the out place. The first 3-4 guys to be thrown out let the guys who start out go in. After that the numbers dwindle until one team is thrown out.

Variations include a player who throws a ball that gets caught being out. Or, more than one ball can be used. That is scary.

No throwing at the head allowed.

It was scary to play with older boys with good arms. I never saw anyone throw at the head because the teacher who set it up (a man, of course) had to fight to get teamball allowed and we all knew the first real injury would be the end of the sport we loved.

My team got second place in the tournament and played for the championship in front of the whole school.
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I'm pretty sure the entire reason the manosphere exists is because of America's shitty school system.

Men have shitty childhoods, grow up emasculated, and then look on the internet to find out how to get laid, and end up finding this place.

Given the existing popularity of the manosphere, and the continuing feminist trends of the school system, we can expect the manosphere to keep growing.

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Yup and in recess, no contact what so ever, complete ban on two touch football.

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I was just about to make a post about this book and then I found your post. She makes good points when it comes to education/job market issues and how they effect on the economy. You can tell she didn't have many sources though as the book repeats certain anecdotes over and over when she should have found more evidence.

My dad gave it to me to read before he gives it to a worker who has just gone through a divorce with his (multiple times) cheating wife who he divorced but she is still getting half his salary.
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I don't quite buy the "men are avoiding college because women are running it, yadda, yadda, yadda". The problem is that their are only like 6 or 7 majors that can give someone a return on investment. Some of the STEM majors (computer science, applied math, petroleum engineering), 2 of the business majors (accounting and finance) and probably nursing.

Everyone cannot be business owners or "hustlers".
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(06-01-2013 09:51 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  Everyone cannot be business owners or "hustlers".

Yes, but much fewer still can have successful careers in computer science, engineering, applied math, and finance.

The proportion of men who have the cognitive ability to be independent businessmen is much larger than the fraction which can attain the advanced degree and experience required for a career in science and mathematics related fields.
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(06-01-2013 04:08 AM)Ziltoid Wrote:  I'm personally avoiding college because I know I'm not smart enough to make it in the STEM fields, and because I don't want to sink 30k into a useless, unemployable degree (which would be anything besides STEM).

I like to think that when this higher education bubble pops, I might just come out ahead of the people who decided 4+ years studying Russian Literature or sociology was a great career investment.

If you don't mind my asking, do you have an alternative plan?

A typical thing I've told young people I meet is that it's OK (and in fact quite important) to question the value of the college degree and question whether going to college is right for you. But you should still plan to do something during that time that will benefit your career in the long run. College might be expensive but you still don't want to find yourself competing with illegal immigrants for unskilled labor jobs.
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(06-03-2013 07:15 AM)Blaster Wrote:  
(06-01-2013 04:08 AM)Ziltoid Wrote:  I'm personally avoiding college because I know I'm not smart enough to make it in the STEM fields, and because I don't want to sink 30k into a useless, unemployable degree (which would be anything besides STEM).

I like to think that when this higher education bubble pops, I might just come out ahead of the people who decided 4+ years studying Russian Literature or sociology was a great career investment.

If you don't mind my asking, do you have an alternative plan?

A typical thing I've told young people I meet is that it's OK (and in fact quite important) to question the value of the college degree and question whether going to college is right for you. But you should still plan to do something during that time that will benefit your career in the long run. College might be expensive but you still don't want to find yourself competing with illegal immigrants for unskilled labor jobs.

Skilled trades; welder, electrician, plumber, scaffolder, heavy duty mechanic, pipe fitter, carpenter, crane operator, etc.

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Skilled trades are definitely options. I don't mention it specifically because different people may have different aspirations. Depending on your goals, that can mean anything-- an oildfield roustabout, a stage technician for a popular band, a small business owner, or a player whose harem includes a couple of wealthy women who support him. There's also the military, of course.

The danger is thinking that the financial leg up you get by skipping college will be enough all by itself. Sometimes an 18-19 year old kid will have a job and be making enough to support himself pretty well (better than many of his college-bound friends). He says "why bother with college and just pile on debt when I can keep working and making money?" 3-4 years later he gets laid off and the only experience he has is doing the job that was just lost to China. God forbid he knocked up his girlfriend along the way and has a kid to support.
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This part is just sick:

Quote:Sommers says, "Gender experts at Harvard, Wellesley, and Tufts, and in the major women's organizations, believe that boys and men in our society will remain sexist (and potentially dangerous) unless socialized away from conventional maleness. . . . The belief that boys are being wrongly 'masculinized' is inspiring a movement to 'construct boyhood' in ways that will render boys less competitive, more emotionally expressive, more nurturing--more, in short, like girls."
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We used to play smear the queer.

It was outlawed at recess when I was in about 6th grade....

In high school we still had dodgeball and floor hockey during PE.

Floor hockey could get a little rough. Rapping a guys unprotected shins usually provoked wails of agony.

Dodgeball the only rule was if you hit a guy in the head you were out.

I thought that was pretty weak, but guys would do it anyway for the hell of it.

We'd play it with about 20-25 guys and 5 balls in a small gym. About 40x50 or so.

Epic battles went down in that old gym....

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(06-03-2013 09:15 AM)Gallego2006 Wrote:  This part is just sick:

Quote:Sommers says, "Gender experts at Harvard, Wellesley, and Tufts, and in the major women's organizations, believe that boys and men in our society will remain sexist (and potentially dangerous) unless socialized away from conventional maleness. . . . The belief that boys are being wrongly 'masculinized' is inspiring a movement to 'construct boyhood' in ways that will render boys less competitive, more emotionally expressive, more nurturing--more, in short, like girls."

"Gender experts at Harvard, Wellesley, and Tufts, and in the major women's organizations, believe..."

And here is where we go wrong. We need to put a stop to them recommending anything regarding boys. Why do women get to have their say about boys lives, but when men try to do the same with girls, all hell breaks loose and they're called sexist?

This is controlling bullshit. The women in these groups want domain over how both boys and girls are raised and men in the US damn well better step up and say "NO" when it comes to boys. No one without a penis should ever, ever dictate (heh) what the "gender role" for boys should be.

Who the fuck made women the moral arbiters of both sexes? Fuck that.
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Quote:Who the fuck made women the moral arbiters of both sexes? Fuck that.

Other men.
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(06-03-2013 07:58 AM)scotian Wrote:  Skilled trades; welder, electrician, plumber, scaffolder, heavy duty mechanic, pipe fitter, carpenter, crane operator, etc.

One would also need to move to less-expensive areas to stay afloat in these skilled trades. While these are good skilled trades, they would be offset by either $1500/month rent prices or $300K (townhome), $500K+ (single-family homes) in somewhere like the DC area.
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Hopefully, in 50 or so years, when, the world collapses under the tyrannical rule of women, we realise why men played the part of men for 100s of 1000s of years beforehand...
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(06-23-2013 11:19 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  
(06-03-2013 07:58 AM)scotian Wrote:  Skilled trades; welder, electrician, plumber, scaffolder, heavy duty mechanic, pipe fitter, carpenter, crane operator, etc.

One would also need to move to less-expensive areas to stay afloat in these skilled trades. While these are good skilled trades, they would be offset by either $1500/month rent prices or $300K (townhome), $500K+ (single-family homes) in somewhere like the DC area.
Why would someone with one of those trades even consider living or moving to DC lol. That seems like the worst city in the country for blue collar workers.
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(06-23-2013 11:19 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  
(06-03-2013 07:58 AM)scotian Wrote:  Skilled trades; welder, electrician, plumber, scaffolder, heavy duty mechanic, pipe fitter, carpenter, crane operator, etc.

One would also need to move to less-expensive areas to stay afloat in these skilled trades. While these are good skilled trades, they would be offset by either $1500/month rent prices or $300K (townhome), $500K+ (single-family homes) in somewhere like the DC area.

I'm sure there's plumbers and electricians in the DC area surviving somehow, I bet that more than a few of them are also millionaires (contractors with their own businesses).

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New young member here and I thought I'd bump this thread as to state of college for men in 2019.

Two anecdotes that occurred today to me; keep in mind I'm a senior at a very highly ranked American public urban university that also shares many traits of a 'party school'.

I attended a departmental seminar regarding an immersive university-sponsored research program in Latin America out of curiosity. The program is heavily subsidized by the university and is rather prestigious. Sitting down in the seminar room I noticed out of 30-35ish interested people attending I was the ONLY man. The girls who went and presented their previous experience during the program had insane resumes: university woman's scholar, departmental student research chair, fluent in multiple languages etc. Some of these women I've personally had class with and can barely answer a question when called upon.

Men simply don't care. By any means this was a fantastic opportunity and not a single man was there or seemed to have recently even participated. And this isn't an anomaly; most clubs, most honor societies, most non-sports student organizations I attended: majority women and gay/transsexual men. Honestly as a straight white man I've felt rather out of place in these academic events.

Second, later I had a religious studies general education class (wasteful but required regardless). The professor is a short pink haired, elderly, tattooed militant 1st-wave style hardcore feminist atheist, no joke. Keep in mind this is the head of the RELIGIOUS STUDIES department. The class covered early Christianity today and the amount of blatant, frankly disgusting falsehoods this woman spoke about Jesus was abhorrent. Far beyond a textual criticism approach, she made numerous jokes about Jesus having sex, Mary not being a Virgin, the Holy Spirit "impregnating" her. Having gone to a Catholic school with a decent theology program I can vouch that she was misunderstanding basic Gospel details, misquoting Jesus; keep in mind this woman has TWO PhD's in Religious Studies, one from a "public Ivy" school. At the break of the class I took my stuff and left.

Mind these are just two personal stories from a single day (there's many more I could post) but I suspect for most men this is what American university is like in 2019: utter degeneracy. Men of any sort of decency do the bare minimum, skip class, stay away from the constant "Trans Rights" displays, and opt out of the insanity. It's no exaggeration how insane on a daily basis it's become, and I'm not in an area known for liberal decadency exactly either. Will sound like I'm LARPing when I say this but the first day of the aforementioned class (40ish people) the professor asked how many people believed in a god: 2 including me raised their hands. Even the professor was taken aback a bit.

My advice thus to any man in university trying to life even somewhat uprightly is to keep your head down and know you're not alone.
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(10-14-2019 11:16 PM)Buck Mulligan Wrote:  New young member here and I thought I'd bump this thread as to state of college for men in 2019.

Two anecdotes that occurred today to me; keep in mind I'm a senior at a very highly ranked American public urban university that also shares many traits of a 'party school'.

I attended a departmental seminar regarding an immersive university-sponsored research program in Latin America out of curiosity. The program is heavily subsidized by the university and is rather prestigious. Sitting down in the seminar room I noticed out of 30-35ish interested people attending I was the ONLY man. The girls who went and presented their previous experience during the program had insane resumes: university woman's scholar, departmental student research chair, fluent in multiple languages etc. Some of these women I've personally had class with and can barely answer a question when called upon.

Men simply don't care. By any means this was a fantastic opportunity and not a single man was there or seemed to have recently even participated. And this isn't an anomaly; most clubs, most honor societies, most non-sports student organizations I attended: majority women and gay/transsexual men. Honestly as a straight white man I've felt rather out of place in these academic events.

Second, later I had a religious studies general education class (wasteful but required regardless). The professor is a short pink haired, elderly, tattooed militant 1st-wave style hardcore feminist atheist, no joke. Keep in mind this is the head of the RELIGIOUS STUDIES department. The class covered early Christianity today and the amount of blatant, frankly disgusting falsehoods this woman spoke about Jesus was abhorrent. Far beyond a textual criticism approach, she made numerous jokes about Jesus having sex, Mary not being a Virgin, the Holy Spirit "impregnating" her. Having gone to a Catholic school with a decent theology program I can vouch that she was misunderstanding basic Gospel details, misquoting Jesus; keep in mind this woman has TWO PhD's in Religious Studies, one from a "public Ivy" school. At the break of the class I took my stuff and left.

Mind these are just two personal stories from a single day (there's many more I could post) but I suspect for most men this is what American university is like in 2019: utter degeneracy. Men of any sort of decency do the bare minimum, skip class, stay away from the constant "Trans Rights" displays, and opt out of the insanity. It's no exaggeration how insane on a daily basis it's become, and I'm not in an area known for liberal decadency exactly either. Will sound like I'm LARPing when I say this but the first day of the aforementioned class (40ish people) the professor asked how many people believed in a god: 2 including me raised their hands. Even the professor was taken aback a bit.

My advice thus to any man in university trying to life even somewhat uprightly is to keep your head down and know you're not alone.

I found myself in very similar situation. I am in my final year of my Bachelor's also.

I opted to drop out of my higher ranked school and do an all online degree.

Now I hit the gym whenever I want, and my school lets me actually accelerate my studies as fast as I can progress. Some very easy classes I can finish within days.

My advice to young guys who want a cheap 4 year degree for Visa reasons abroad or just HAVE to have that resume box ticked... check out WGU "Western Governors University."

You can have you Bachelors in a year and a half if you hustle it. Yes, a real fully accredited degree. You save money the faster you get it done and you can hustle with a job or a side income while you get through school. When you take exams they have proctors watch through a webcam. Other than that, I can do whatever I want while I study and get out of the American dystopia.
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I can't imagine being in one of these indoctrination facilities nowadays. Unless you want to be a certified engineer or want to do something medical and dirty that requires skill. Most medical career paths and "jobs" are all part of the big pharma big medical scam, not worth investing time and or money into. Engineering, though on the surface is infected in many universities across the first world (more wahmen not just as students but as faculty etc) still requires logic and problem-solving skills and will throw students into situations they are not prepared to deal with and must find a way to do on their own. Eventually cities won't light up, food will stop growing, trains, buses, and cars will break down and no one will be able to repair them because of muh diversity and the lost skills to automation and the cut tethers of raw history. The cacophony of screams from libtards and npc's and feminists on this day will rival that of all the lost souls who have departed from God.

Stay away from college, unless you have no other option. Educate yourself, learn from others, and become self-employable, even in a trade. It is the only way.

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Men generally don't go because they know it's a scam. Sadly youtube actually teaches more life skills than college. The schools just teach you regurgitated crap we don't need in our daily lives. I passed classes like calculus 2 with an A but looking back at it, it's useless and nonsensical.

Now women go more to college because they think it is free or that they will find some chump to marry who will help them pay off her endless debt. The worst thing about this is that they forego raising families for a garbage degree.
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Colleges are brainwashing and fornication camps disguised as education.
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God damn I hated college. I was a Finance major and ended up dropping out. Everything was overpriced, most of the classes are completely useless and in many cases destructive, the parties get old really quick and a lot of the chicks are insane leftists and dirty. One of the most overrated and outdated expectations in modern society.

I would only go through that bullshit if I really wanted a career that requires a degree. And then I would make sure to do it as cheaply and quietly as possible. I've found working outside with my hands, trying out new places and taking chances to be so much more rewarding than jumping through society's insane hoops. There are so many ways to make money and enjoy life without college.

Let women have it. It's already long been destroyed.
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Unfortunately though, if we all become tradies or physical labor types we hand over all the managerial and higher status jobs to our enemies who hold the required piece of paper to attain those roles.

Do you think pink short haired lesbians, sassy Chlamidiesha or Mr Rosenberg in charge of your company/immigration/government are going to give two fucks about the welfare of white blue collar subordinates.

By all means do what's best for you, but we will need people in a variety of different fields to stand a chance against Globohomo
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(10-15-2019 04:08 AM)Sword and Board Wrote:  Unfortunately though, if we all become tradies or physical labor types we hand over all the managerial and higher status jobs to our enemies who hold the required piece of paper to attain those roles.

Do you think pink short haired lesbians, sassy Chlamidiesha or Mr Rosenberg in charge of your company/immigration/government are going to give two fucks about the welfare of white blue collar subordinates.

By all means do what's best for you, but we will need people in a variety of different fields to stand a chance against Globohomo

In the current environment, we stand no chance at major change because we play on the globohomo field under the globohomo rules. Until it collapses, men should do what's best for them and the ones close to them. Fuck the system. Most of us are better off going to trade school and working as electricians, mechanic, plumbers etc.
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