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I get a part of this, namely the SJW activities and female centric focus of modern campuses. However, it's far from truth to say college is entirely a scam and not worth it at all.

Firstly, a lot of men don't have enough guidance to even put on one pant leg at a time, let alone go into a trade or business out of high school. College can still be a place to find where you fit and develop your social skills independently. Yet, I digress.

The part that everyone seems to overlook in these college hate threads is networking. Now, forget about useless humanities degrees. I'm talking about STEM, and a few other areas such as Accounting and Finance. I come from Accounting, so I'll keep it at that for now. That being said, I know that other professions operate this way as well.

The largest Accounting/Consulting firms (Big 4, e.g. KPMG, EY, Deloitte, PWC) have partners that mostly went to certain schools. Hence they tend to recruit from THOSE schools. I have worked with people in those schools and they are excellent at what they do, period. Generally only the best of the best make it to the Big 4 even from these schools. So working your ass off is a must. Some of these are state schools, by the way. I also don't believe it's hard to get into these schools as long as you have your shit together.

I have 3 children as many know. As a father, I will not be teaching them that colleges are evil places these days and turn them into generalizing zombies. Instead I will be teaching them how to get into the best programs and evaluate who the hell to stay away from.The latter part just seems to have been missed in the current social justice environment. That goes a longer way than for example, asking them to read most comments in this thread. While I get this, a strong college education hasn't changed all that much. Just because SJWs invade college campuses doesn't mean we should run away from them as men and dismiss the college experience completely.

While I see trade schools as high value, I'd rather my children become Doctors, Engineers, Lawyers or Professional Business people.

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(06-03-2013 07:15 AM)Blaster Wrote:  If you don't mind my asking, do you have an alternative plan?

A typical thing I've told young people I meet is that it's OK (and in fact quite important) to question the value of the college degree and question whether going to college is right for you. But you should still plan to do something during that time that will benefit your career in the long run. College might be expensive but you still don't want to find yourself competing with illegal immigrants for unskilled labor jobs.

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My advice is if you go, think of the bad classes as an opportunity to practice your writing and public speaking skills. For example, if you have to write a paper about a topic that seems absurd, think of it as an opportunity to practice proper grammar.
10-26-2019 10:38 AM
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For humanities classes where you're likely to put up with a bunch of SJW stupidity, I recommend online classes. Pick a degree mill whose courses are accepted by your real college, then take all the useless classes online. With an online degree mill you:
- Don't have to actually listen to any of the lectures
- Can get an A without much work. Just follow the rubrics and the actual quality of the assignment is irrelevant.
- Still get college credit that you can apply towards a degree from your more prestigious physical school.

This is the approach I'm using for all my general ed classes. The key is talking to your student advisor and making sure your university will accept the credits.
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Cobra has a good point. Things are difficult for men at colleges, but that doesn't mean we should give up these institutions in despair. Provided you pick the right field, the right school (STEM, prestigious MBA, etc) and minimize your college debt, college still has value. You can't just expect to go to any 4 year and pick a random major and still make it, though. Those days are over. You must have vision and passion for a career which will make putting up with SJWism/Woman-ism much easier.

But yea, if you're a dude going into "humanities" at an average 4 year with no inclination towards STEM or something else profitable and somewhat masculine, you're better off in a trade.
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Anyone try to identify as a hyper masculinized female in order to acquire the female privilege of getting jobs?
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(10-15-2019 06:29 AM)Cobra Wrote:  I get a part of this, namely the SJW activities and female centric focus of modern campuses. However, it's far from truth to say college is entirely a scam and not worth it at all.

Firstly, a lot of men don't have enough guidance to even put on one pant leg at a time, let alone go into a trade or business out of high school. College can still be a place to find where you fit and develop your social skills independently. Yet, I digress.

The part that everyone seems to overlook in these college hate threads is networking. Now, forget about useless humanities degrees. I'm talking about STEM, and a few other areas such as Accounting and Finance. I come from Accounting, so I'll keep it at that for now. That being said, I know that other professions operate this way as well.

The largest Accounting/Consulting firms (Big 4, e.g. KPMG, EY, Deloitte, PWC) have partners that mostly went to certain schools. Hence they tend to recruit from THOSE schools. I have worked with people in those schools and they are excellent at what they do, period. Generally only the best of the best make it to the Big 4 even from these schools. So working your ass off is a must. Some of these are state schools, by the way. I also don't believe it's hard to get into these schools as long as you have your shit together.

I have 3 children as many know. As a father, I will not be teaching them that colleges are evil places these days and turn them into generalizing zombies. Instead I will be teaching them how to get into the best programs and evaluate who the hell to stay away from.The latter part just seems to have been missed in the current social justice environment. That goes a longer way than for example, asking them to read most comments in this thread. While I get this, a strong college education hasn't changed all that much. Just because SJWs invade college campuses doesn't mean we should run away from them as men and dismiss the college experience completely.

While I see trade schools as high value, I'd rather my children become Doctors, Engineers, Lawyers or Professional Business people.

Points taken. But SJWs are not the problem. The culture we're raising our girls in is.

Back when I went to college decades ago, most women attended to get what was jokingly called "The Mrs. Degree." In other words, they were there to meet college men.

Times have changed and now you have a different generation of women fiercely competing with men for grades, status, and jobs. Most of them view sex/relationships/men in a way I can't even understand.

It's out of this mindset that the trouble between men and women in college came about. SJW-ism grew out of this, so by just singling out SJWs, you're not getting to the root of the problem. They're a symptom.

A lot of middle class parents raise their girls as boys. When it comes time for them to deal romantically with actual boys, trouble brews since it often becomes a power play. How can you meld romantically with someone you've been taught is "the enemy" from your teachers and cucked "conservative" dad? When things don't go the way of women romantically, some of them call on the authorities to help them "win."

You can find scads of sources showing that the rates of sexual assaults have plummeted since the 1990s. And yet we have females on college campuses screaming louder now and (from what I gather) filing more complaints now, many of which are questionable.

Considering the statistics, #metoo and all that goes with it has as much to do with this new breed of female vs. male competition between men and women than it does with sexual assault. I'm going off-topic here and not offering solutions, but this needs to be considered before anyone sends their sons off to college.
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I think a lot of the older guys here don't really understand how destructive colleges have become. It's one thing to read about it, but you have to be there on campus and in the classroom to really see it. Most of the college graduates my age (late 20s) are so brainwashed, it's difficult to enjoy hanging out with them.

The complete insanity that's being programmed into naive young adults' minds, the amount of money these parasites take from the students, their parents and taxpayers, and the complete waste of time the whole experience is. Outside of some degrees, none of this is necessary once you start working. It's 4 years of delaying making money, experiencing real life and the world around us. It wasn't just gen eds that were useless either. The business core still had the unnecessary information and lots of social justice. And the small amount of useful information can be learned on your own or on the job.

Nothing will change, especially as normal people and conservatives continue to enable this madness. You cannot reason with Marxists. The only way to win is to not play the game, and hurt them financially.

If someone wants a career that requires a degree, then it is what it is. They have to play the game and get the degree. But don't expect to be enlightened or gain vast amounts of useful knowledge. It's an outdated expectation that people can't let go of.

If I wanted to be some corporate drone walking on eggshells, and using my title to impress awful modern women, then maybe I'd reconsider. Or maybe if it was the 1950s. But there are lots of ways to make money and live a fulfilling life without college. I will not enable the insanity.
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Us older guys may not understand how destructive colleges have become. However, we can speak about college more meaningfully insofar as the benefits that were the direct result of our college experience.

No offense but this sounds like one of my kids telling me I don't understand their lives because we're not living through it. Usually I ignore their emotional diatribe until they start logic again with their arguments.

If I'm hiring someone in my profession, I'm definitely not hiring someone that doesn't have a degree or demeans the entire experience. Great beer conversation but yeah they're not getting hired.

Again, getting a college degree doesn't automatically mean you're a Corporate drone. This is probably the most ridiculous claim comes out of these college hate threads on the forum. Yes you need to prove yourself, Corporate or not. However, without a degree there is no path to leadership where you can in fact make changes. On the other hand, refusing a higher education on grounds of the "college is useless" theory will put you on a path where not many meaningful opportunities will come your way. These negative comments also never focus on men's groups like fraternities which are still going strong in some campuses. Albeit being somewhat neutered, it's still better than having no communal bond

Say what you will about the nature of campus culture and SJWism, I just don't believe their existence solely will be responsible for someone's lack of initiative or drive. People with drive will just ignore the SJW culture and get ahead while we sit here and complain that life isn't fair.
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(10-15-2019 06:29 AM)Cobra Wrote:  I get a part of this, namely the SJW activities and female centric focus of modern campuses. However, it's far from truth to say college is entirely a scam and not worth it at all.

Firstly, a lot of men don't have enough guidance to even put on one pant leg at a time, let alone go into a trade or business out of high school. College can still be a place to find where you fit and develop your social skills independently. Yet, I digress.

The part that everyone seems to overlook in these college hate threads is networking. Now, forget about useless humanities degrees. I'm talking about STEM, and a few other areas such as Accounting and Finance. I come from Accounting, so I'll keep it at that for now. That being said, I know that other professions operate this way as well.

The largest Accounting/Consulting firms (Big 4, e.g. KPMG, EY, Deloitte, PWC) have partners that mostly went to certain schools. Hence they tend to recruit from THOSE schools. I have worked with people in those schools and they are excellent at what they do, period. Generally only the best of the best make it to the Big 4 even from these schools. So working your ass off is a must. Some of these are state schools, by the way. I also don't believe it's hard to get into these schools as long as you have your shit together.

I have 3 children as many know. As a father, I will not be teaching them that colleges are evil places these days and turn them into generalizing zombies. Instead I will be teaching them how to get into the best programs and evaluate who the hell to stay away from.The latter part just seems to have been missed in the current social justice environment. That goes a longer way than for example, asking them to read most comments in this thread. While I get this, a strong college education hasn't changed all that much. Just because SJWs invade college campuses doesn't mean we should run away from them as men and dismiss the college experience completely.

While I see trade schools as high value, I'd rather my children become Doctors, Engineers, Lawyers or Professional Business people.

Colleges will remain a necessity for many professions. Best is to tell your children to differentiate between the politics at the universities and the real-life skills/diploma needed for your future. Unfortunately that meens having to dabble a bit yourself into the matter - know about the common feminist, Bolshevik and cultural marxist talking points - best breach them with your kids before they even enter college, give them arguments of why it's wrong.

Still - you can't become a higher tier accountant, a doctor, an architect, engineer or a lawyer without a university degree. You have to treat it like in the communist times where people studied their thing and ignored the commie drivel. People then even gave lip-service to Marx and Lenin while inwardly believing something completely different. Guess we are entering those times again.
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Shaming tactics aside, what you may view as giving up is younger men choosing to spend our finite amount of time and resources on more fulfilling pursuits. Some people like checking boxes, others do not. I also don't like giving money to an education system I despise.

It looks like you're an accountant. In my previous post, it even says people who desire certain careers will have to play the game. Coming from a similar major, I do know that the majority of an Accounting degree is not actually studying accounting. To me, this is an incredible waste of time and resources, but some people may like learning about management from someone working in academia, or the different kinds of pronouns we're supposed to use now. I've also spoken with several CPAs and they all said the same thing. They learned how to be a CPA on the job and not in the classroom.

There are plenty of paths to leadership and financial success without a college degree. People who think otherwise live in a bubble. Lots of work and hobbies out there that require "initiative" and "drive".

Maybe you needed college to "find yourself", become independent, network, build bonds and find a successful career. There are millions of men out there that don't, and many are starting to realize the current college atmosphere can do a lot more harm than good.

The most important thing about calling out modern universities is so young men realize there are other opportunities. From a young age, we're taught that universities are the only path to success and enlightenment. This couldn't be further from the truth.
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I'm kind of fascinated by this topic and/or the fact people even really discuss it.

From what I can tell, there is virtually zero value add from universities in pretty much any situation. However to be socially intelligent, you ideally should've gone to university and ramble on/make up some bullshit about how "educational" it is or how it "broadened your horizons" or "taught you critical thinking" or "taught openmindedness" or "put you in an environment where you had to learn how to work with people" etc etc etc.

It's such an emperor's new clothes thing that you're ridiculously punished for going against the grain on.

Other people can go to college and have their fun/mindwank but I just want to have by opportunities/jobs in life without dealing with the bs =/. Is that really to much to ask for? Is it just that common to pretend like university actually means something?

It's like the same thing with "traveling" or "making mistakes/learning from experience"(as opposed to learning from tradition/values). You're meant to ramble NPC lines about how good it is. I've been traveling a bit and had experience doing a few different jobs, it hasn't made me all that much better... but people want to hear that when hiring so whatever.
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University is highly valuable. You need to go to a good university, though. What has happened is proliferation of low value degrees. A Harvard MBA is still $. An MBA from Zanesville State U is just wasting your money.

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I have a unique perspective on this debate. My CV would show that I work in a blue-collar field yet I have two bachelors degrees from top 50 state schools. I am enrolled in the premiere graduate school nationwide for my field of extended study. Lastly, I have taught at a local community college for the past five years. I am also a divorced father with children.

There have been excellent points both pro and con raised by several posters. What I would advise anyone to do (male or female) is sit down and take one of those personality/strengths finders tests. Really spend some time on it. Sometimes knowing what you don't want to do is as important as what you want to do. Having said that, make sure you don't dislike something because you had an awful teacher(s) rather than no proclivity for the discipline.

Once you have the test results back sit down with some older, successful and hopefully wiser friends and relatives. I would recommend friends of your parents who have known you your whole life. They will have seen you grow up and will have heard about your missteps and successes from your parents. They will also be able to give you more objective and realistic advice. It goes without saying that it should be men that you are going to for this counsel.

If what you really want to do does require a degree then figure out what the best schools/programs are for that field. Get ahold of course catalogs, look online and make phone calls to the Universities you are interested in. Anything worthwhile will be costly - whether that be in time, effort or money. After you identify the school you want to attend and the field of study you want to pursue figure out what prerequisite courses you can take at a local community college or that you can take online. If you are smart and in Advanced Placement (AP) or Honors classes in high school you may get college credit for them. As an aside here is a chance to put the female/HR leviathan to work for you- have your schools counseling office do a lot of this legwork for you! If you are former military or a returning studend check to see what courses you have taken in the past are transferable or if you have any life experiences that they will recognize for credit.

One of the few regrets I have about my college years is that I did not join a fraternity. I transferred in so I did not want to deal with the pledge BS as an older undergraduate. Plus, my cousin and several friends were already members so I got into parties without having to pledge. However, years later I do not have the network that those fraternities afford their members. The old mantra "it's not what you know, its who you know" exists and persists for a reason. I see it playing out in my life now. I am not through with graduate school yet but the people I have met in my cohort, the instructors and the alumni are all Tier 1. You wouldn't believe some of the people who I have access to (including personal cell #s) thanks to my school.

As a part time faculty member I also have a front row seat to the SJW rot that has set in to academia. All the students are now required to take a genders studies course for all associate degree programs. I see the LGBTQ flyers posted around campus. They are hosting a speech from some former NCAA athlete who transitioned. So brave! The Yes means Yes/ #MeToo bullshit is prominent. I have to put reminders about the college's zero tolerance policy towards discrimination, racism, sexism, ad nauseam on my course syllabi. It is sickening.

Fortunately for me most of my students are young men. A lot of them are lost, though. I drop red pills in my lectures and discussions. This semester I have a female again so I have to tone it down a bit. At the end of the semester I take everyone out for beers and just shoot the shit.

Some of these guys really need help. I had an overweight kid who was constantly self-deprecating and poking fun at himself. Product of a single mother home. Shocking, I know. He also had a couple of really ugly tatoos and was discussing getting more. I pulled him aside and gave him a no BS talk about men/women, attraction, life, work, etc. I told him if he ever hoped to get laid he needed to lose the weight. I told him that getting more tatoos would not make him anymore attractive to women and could actively work against him in the future depending on what line of work he goes into! For any readers who are successful in their careers and are looking for a way to help fight back the tide I really encourage you to look into becoming adjunct faculty in your situation in life allows for it. These young men really need our help.

Tradeschool and the military are options as well. There is a lot of bullshit going on in the military right now and I don't see it ending anytime soon. That really bothers me because that was the last bastion for young men to go to learn "how to be men" and the SJWs have it almost entirely converged. The work around is to join for four years or join the Reserves or National Guard and get all of the education goodies that you can get and get out. Join the Air Force and learn about Cyber warfare/defense then get out and get a job making a $100K. (Although that job may be at a converged corporation). lol

All in all, do not write off college education simply because of despair or laziness. The Globohomo poz evident in the current academic environment is a formidable obstacle, no doubt. But Uncle Sam taught me to charge through an obstacle with a blood curlding yell and showing the enemy my warface. That is not the correct approach to this problem. Adapt. Improvise. Overcome. If you can't go through it go around it. If you can't go around it go over it. If you can't go over it go under it. If none of those work fall back and keep your ammo dry, i.e., stack cash and wait for other opportunities. Just like this forum has evolved from one focused on picking up women, we as men must evolve.

For actionable advice for someone who does not like school or simply does not have the grades to get into a good one. Maybe you have a DUI on your record or some other conviction that prevents you from joining the military let me suggest this as a possible immediate course of action:

1. Go to YouTube and watch a dozen videos about how to properly use a power washer.
2. Rent a power washer for a weekend from Home Depot for a $100 and learn to properly clean your parents driveway, deck, siding, sidewalks, etc.
3. Have some business cards and flyers made up.
4. Walk around affluent neighborhoods in a pressed collared shirt, khakis and shined shoes. Knock on doors and hang flyers. You are doing driveway, back deck cleaning for $100.
5. Set up 10 appointments for the coming weekend.

If you do all of the above you should be able to make $1000 over the course of the weekend. Less the $100 rental. Repeat step 4. Consider purchasing the best power washer you can. If you are not afraid of heights and are careful you can add cleaning gutters to your repertoire.

That plan requires very little skill and absolutely no education. But that is something that anyone with a little drive and some personality should be able to make a success of. I have toyed with the idea of setting up such a company and hiring the kids that I teach. There are insurance issues I have to look into but I think this is a viable business option for a young man who is really struggling and feels he is not good at anything.

TL;DR Don't entirely preclude advanced education but if you do make sure you have a solid backup plan.
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Everyone I know that has a college degree is a bartender, server or weed dealer. I dropped out freshman year it was a joke to me honestly. I started wholesaling real estate and making pretty good returns. Its like anything in life you get back what you put in. I'll tell you all the secret to making great money, ready..buy low sell high.
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The American economy does not need more Engineers, Scientists, Economists, Accountants, Doctors, Financiers, and Computer Scientists.

It needs mechanics, technicians, medical assistants, coders, data analysts, data scientists, and project managers.

Universities do not provide the skills for these fields. In fact, they provide precious few skills that the market wants period due to American academia ossifying over the last 50 years.

Why go if it won't prepare you for the workforce?
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(10-27-2019 08:26 PM)beta_plus Wrote:  The American economy does not need more Engineers, Scientists, Economists, Accountants, Doctors, Financiers, and Computer Scientists.

It needs mechanics, technicians, medical assistants, coders, data analysts, data scientists, and project managers.

Most jobs can be learned by a reasonably intelligent individual within 2-3 months on the job. I worked as a "data analyst" a few years back, perhaps my experience is different from other data analysts, but I'm quite confident I could have performed that job before I entered university.

(10-27-2019 08:26 PM)beta_plus Wrote:  Universities do not provide the skills for these fields. In fact, they provide precious few skills that the market wants period due to American academia ossifying over the last 50 years.

Why go if it won't prepare you for the workforce?

Employers and Colleges are co-conspirators. Employers have a perverse incentive to place more hoops in front of workers because it reduces the options those workers have in the market. Universities are more than happy to act as a "hoop".

The student debt and years spent gaining qualifications makes a very pliable workforce. They can't enter into another industry without spending 4-6 years of their life earning qualifications for that job.

It's the same thing with those 2-year "non-compete" clauses that employers make any fresh faced entry-level employee sign as a condition of employment. Jobs these days require 3 years of relevant experience but this experience cannot be fully leveraged on the marketplace by getting a similar job at another company. This reduces your bargaining power when it comes to negotiate your salary, thereby cutting labor costs.

Employers have gotten soft and they've gotten spoiled. There's such a large supply of workers both domestic and foreign that they can pull this kind of shenanigans. If they can shave off that 1-2 months on the job training down to 3-4 weeks, they will. It won't matter if the individual they hired spent 2 years earning a master's degree in "Data Science" (As opposed to a master's in Statistics/Engineering/Computer Science) for the job, that's their problem. The more non-dischargeable debt/risk the employee has, the better.
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So if you're not interested in trades, not smart enough for STEM, and have failed at sales, then are you essentially screwed?

This is exactly the situation I find myself in right now: have a useless bachelor's degree in psychology and going nowhere with my life.

The only jobs that I'm suitable for are low-paying customer service jobs. Maybe I should just try to get one of these jobs and then try to work my way up into a management position?
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Alpha Ambitionz, have you thought seriously about what you are interested in? What you are good at? Read and re read Caractacus' post above. You could do one of those customer service jobs with the eventual goal of moving up into management. While doing that, do a side gig of some sort working for yourself. Tons of info on internet gigs that guys do here to become location independent. You already have the college degree so you could for sure move up in a retail or customer service deal. Whatever it is, you have to not be afraid of working hard. To me that is the biggest problem most young guys have, they want it to come easily, without any pain. To get ahead in life, you have to find a path and then work like your life depends on it to get to where you want to be. Find a direction, focus on getting there and work like mad. You'll get there man.
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As much as I hate the politics of university I fondly remember the best professors and I actually had a great time as a humanities major. It's a shame that men are abandoning university because ultimately it will be men who keep that knowledge alive and flowing. Cutting ourselves off from the universities is essentially like giving up the reins to the SJWs and conceding that very important ground.

In a way, I think many of the ideas I try to develop on this website were being incubated during my time in those courses.

There are so many ideas that inform my life that I picked up from the professors I had in the humanities courses. As much as I did not like certain things about college, I actually liked my classes the best. It didn't necessarily do much for my career prospects but we had a really awesome humanities department. It was run by an older man who was a Ph.D. in some obscure shit and we mostly focused on the great books for men. None of that weird bullshit. You could take the weird bullshit classes if you liked, but it was pretty clear that they were about proliferating the knowledge of our forebearers.

The best teacher I had was a professional Latinist who taught the classics. He had a way of making the struggle of reading the classics extremely captivating. As in, we had a rather disparate class: me, a bunch of inner-city thugs, future ivy-league grad kids, immigrant weirdos, and white Becky types and this professor had us sitting rapt and waiting as he broke down Homer and made it awesome. Easily the best teacher I've ever had in my life.

I still keep in touch with him sporadically and it's interesting to see that he's also pretty redpilled despite working in academia. I suspect he's redpilled because his area of study keeps him deeply in touch with what Western culture is about.

Whenever I do want to go on a college hate rant, I always try to remember those times.

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Men aren't falling behind. They are wisely avoiding the pitfalls of lost opportunity cost of wasting 4 years of their time and stacking on mortgage sized student loan debt which can never be discharged in bankruptcy.

The college bubble burst over 10 years ago. Enrollment declining for 8 consecutive years along with the ROI. Stacking women with 5-6 figure debt and adding them to the workforce leads to declining birthrates. Mass immigration done to offset this is just kicking the can forward. Eventually the government will figure out the damage is too costly and stop guaranteeing student loan debt to avoid paying for all the women shackled with worthless degrees.

Smoking used to be encouraged by the government until they realized several decades later that paying for cancer treatments were prohibitively expensive. They began slapping taxes on the sales. Imposing fines for smoking in certain areas. Paid for anti-smoking commercials. Created laws to hide them from public view. Eventually they fess up to their plan of completely banning it by a future date. Something similar is going to happen with access to college within my lifetime.
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How does a business degree hold up? I don't believe it falls under the STEM umbrella. I'm currently pursuing "Business Management," but thinking about switching my major over to Data Science. I'd have to ditch some credits and maybe tack on another semester, but it could be worth the effort. What do you guys think?
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(10-29-2019 12:05 PM)JiggyLordJr Wrote:  How does a business degree hold up? I don't believe it falls under the STEM umbrella. I'm currently pursuing "Business Management," but thinking about switching my major over to Data Science. I'd have to ditch some credits and maybe tack on another semester, but it could be worth the effort. What do you guys think?

Always add an applicable STEM part to it if possible. At the business degree you have majority of women who get preferential hiring, then you have the diversity hires. You will be bottom last unless you are in top position of an oppression-hierarchy like American Indian.

Skill-wise you have to take what isn't offshored, what has little influx of a internal visa-offshoring as well. Obviously if you have a business degree from out of the top 5-8 schools, then it's different, but hardly anyone has that.
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I am an MBA from a top school and I will say almost all MBA jobs use Data Analytics.

Definitely switch over to Data Science with the extra semester and if possible, then do a double major in Business Management and data science. This will reflect quite well on your resume to potential employers.

Data Analytics is becoming an essential tool in any well paying job when you either join right after undergrad or join at mid management level.

Things that are taught in a Business Management degree such as Strategy, Marketing, Finance, Accounting and Organizational behavior, can always be learned without enrolling in a business degree program.

Even data science can be self taught or without a degree but since it's STEM, you get access at university/college to latest methodologies and programs used in a more structured learning approach.

You are already in university/college. I suggest take as much advantage of it as possible. Learn all the latest data science software that is being used and learn it well. Try to do as many experential/practical project based courses possible in this field. They will serve you well once you enter the job market.
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Awesome, thanks for the solid advice guys. I'll definitely be switching over to Data Science. The end goal is to get a job that can't be outsourced/given to preferential hires (roasties, minorities, etc.). A business degree is somewhat diluted at this point, given how many airheads have been able to get one no sweat. In that light, it's probably best to go into a STEM field, especially since Data Science seems to be fairly lucrative.

How many of you have a degree? If you did get one, what doors did it open for you? And for those who didn't, how did you make it work without one? Quite curious to hear from more experienced members.
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