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RE: Why Men Are Avoiding College
(10-31-2019 02:03 PM)JiggyLordJr Wrote:  Awesome, thanks for the solid advice guys. I'll definitely be switching over to Data Science. The end goal is to get a job that can't be outsourced/given to preferential hires (roasties, minorities, etc.). A business degree is somewhat diluted at this point, given how many airheads have been able to get one no sweat. In that light, it's probably best to go into a STEM field, especially since Data Science seems to be fairly lucrative.

How many of you have a degree? If you did get one, what doors did it open for you? And for those who didn't, how did you make it work without one? Quite curious to hear from more experienced members.

I did an English/Computer Science double major with an eye on a career in Technical Writing. Had multiple offers for both software programming and tech. writing jobs right out of university. Started down the tech. writing path and have been at it since.

I should point out that I entered university in the '80s. They weren't the SJW indoctrination centers they are now. In today's environment I think I'd be more likely to skip the degree and learn a trade after high school. Master electricians and plumbers will always be in demand and make good money.
10-31-2019 03:36 PM
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(10-27-2019 02:02 PM)Cobra Wrote:  Us older guys may not understand how destructive colleges have become. However, we can speak about college more meaningfully insofar as the benefits that were the direct result of our college experience.

No offense but this sounds like one of my kids telling me I don't understand their lives because we're not living through it. Usually I ignore their emotional diatribe until they start logic again with their arguments.

If I'm hiring someone in my profession, I'm definitely not hiring someone that doesn't have a degree or demeans the entire experience. Great beer conversation but yeah they're not getting hired.

Again, getting a college degree doesn't automatically mean you're a Corporate drone. This is probably the most ridiculous claim comes out of these college hate threads on the forum. Yes you need to prove yourself, Corporate or not. However, without a degree there is no path to leadership where you can in fact make changes. On the other hand, refusing a higher education on grounds of the "college is useless" theory will put you on a path where not many meaningful opportunities will come your way. These negative comments also never focus on men's groups like fraternities which are still going strong in some campuses. Albeit being somewhat neutered, it's still better than having no communal bond

Say what you will about the nature of campus culture and SJWism, I just don't believe their existence solely will be responsible for someone's lack of initiative or drive. People with drive will just ignore the SJW culture and get ahead while we sit here and complain that life isn't fair.

Top comment, Cobra.
10-31-2019 06:39 PM
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(10-27-2019 02:02 PM)Cobra Wrote:  Us older guys may not understand how destructive colleges have become. However, we can speak about college more meaningfully insofar as the benefits that were the direct result of our college experience.

No offense but this sounds like one of my kids telling me I don't understand their lives because we're not living through it. Usually I ignore their emotional diatribe until they start logic again with their arguments.

That's why younger guys despise boomers...

I got out of school asap and barely finished highschool. Muslim gangs, 80% female teachers shitting on male students and trying to emasculate them, girls given preferential treatment etc.

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Then in the working world boomers trying to job block guys and hiring cock teases instead. Enjoy your #metoo boomer...

Quote:will put you on a path where not many meaningful opportunities will come your way

In boomer times it was the opposite. You could rise through the ranks based on merit alone.

The shift is so enormous that there is an extreme (engineered) generational conflict.

I can't think of a single occasion where a boomer guy tried to help me in any meaningful way and I always had to make my own opportunities, which alienated me from most gen x guys as well that just accepted their fate of having to kowtow to women and the whims of boomers if they didn't want to become full time criminals or welfare receivers.
11-01-2019 02:01 AM
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I think its obvious why men are avoiding college...its no secret this institution is openly hostile to, as best as I can describe, the very essence of men. Sad. That being said, I seen a plethora of statistics and heard numerous antidotes from all kinds of people, some of whom are feminists, that without hesitation criticize not only college but all of education. We hear about all the advancements of women, many times "they" will use the stat that more females attend college than males. While this might be true and this is ostensibly not a good thing for men both practically and optically it reveals another truth that is at work here. Starting from the time when feminists threw their shit fits and insisted not only on greater "inclusion" of women but also to reconfigure school to be female-centric, which I'd plot around the 1970s period, you can see a concurrent decline of the quality of education in all metrics. Prior to this event, the United States was the model of education across the globe and we had all the empirical evidence to support this fact, be it highest test scores in various studies etc. I see a near 1:1 relationship between the imposition of feminism into our educational policies and the decline of our education institutions. Whats remarkable is how uniformed this decline has been. Indeed, from public to private and from grade to secondary to graduate and even specialty graduate schools this decline is material and pronounced. The conclusions are obvious and stark as the educational system has morphed into a more female-centric model the overall efficacy of the system has declined and continues to decline. Today a college degree is no better than a high school diploma, which necessitates more and more additional education, i.e. graduate level, that has declined in value too. Such education naturally incurs greater cost, which have only skyrocketed, again perspicaciously since the imposition of feminism and resulted in the situation we have today. This situation is that we have created an indentured servant class that faces a great deal more challenges in terms of household formation or a chance at actually generating any net worth. Worst of all, these challenges are unnecessary. This is what women are apparently proud of...and let's call it for what it is - they ruined the best education system in the world.
11-01-2019 12:42 PM
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Destroy public schooling. Make trade school the new norm. Basically, take schooling away from the government's responsibility. Since a lot of colleges are government sponsored through grants and loans, colleges are just public schools, which is why they have low quality and their ethics is trash.
11-01-2019 12:53 PM
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There's only three things really worth going to college for now and those are languages, data sciences and additive manufacturing (3D printing).

It is always good to be bilingual as it will increase your attractiveness to employers and allow you to live in a country that has better women in it. You could probably get away with a minor in this category while majoring in something else.

Finding a college that trains in additive manufacturing is difficult right now as it's on the cutting edge of technology. For example, they just came out with printers that print in carbon fiber. However, the sky is the limit as more and more companies are catching on to it. Plus, you can have a side hustle if you buy a cheap printer, print your own designs and sell it all online.

Another thing to keep in mind is that there is a shortage of CNC machine operators. Most trade schools offer a one-semester certificate in this field.
11-01-2019 09:57 PM
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RE: Why Men Are Avoiding College
(10-31-2019 03:36 PM)JayR Wrote:  
(10-31-2019 02:03 PM)JiggyLordJr Wrote:  Awesome, thanks for the solid advice guys. I'll definitely be switching over to Data Science. The end goal is to get a job that can't be outsourced/given to preferential hires (roasties, minorities, etc.). A business degree is somewhat diluted at this point, given how many airheads have been able to get one no sweat. In that light, it's probably best to go into a STEM field, especially since Data Science seems to be fairly lucrative.

How many of you have a degree? If you did get one, what doors did it open for you? And for those who didn't, how did you make it work without one? Quite curious to hear from more experienced members.

I did an English/Computer Science double major with an eye on a career in Technical Writing. Had multiple offers for both software programming and tech. writing jobs right out of university. Started down the tech. writing path and have been at it since.

I should point out that I entered university in the '80s. They weren't the SJW indoctrination centers they are now. In today's environment I think I'd be more likely to skip the degree and learn a trade after high school. Master electricians and plumbers will always be in demand and make good money.


Business degrees are somewhat of a bipolar degree.

By that, I mean that the major means relatively little. What matters is the "prestige" of a business degree. If you're getting one from an Ivy League school or equivalent (e.g. Stanford, Chicago Boothe, etc.) then your business degree can easily set you on the path to a future seven figure income if you skillfully leverage that degree to network your way into a McKinsey, Goldman Sachs, or the like that lead to seven figure executive, private equity, venture capital, and other high return careers.

If you're at a tier 2 school like a regional leader (e.g. Emory, Duke, Kelley, etc.) then those golden opportunities will be relatively difficult, albeit still quite achievable, and plenty of other "good" opportunities that can launch you to a six figure income by your mid 20's like leadership development programs and Big 4 consulting will still be wide open to you.


If you're at a no-name regional school....good luck with that business degree. Your opportunities will consist of things like selling investment plans to retirees with Edward Jones, clerk jobs, and retail management.



Side Note: I've commented elsewhere that we need to start adapting Masonic practice and working to give each other every possible unfair advantage. We need to be mission first and that's going to mean using as much nepotism as we have access to in order to ensure that our people are placed into organizations.


Some of us here MIGHT just be able to help you with that or make introductions to where all you need to do from that point forwards is live up to the recommendation we make.
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11-01-2019 10:09 PM
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Accounting is by far the best undergrad business degree. Most of the degree is useless information because of the gen eds and most of the business core, but it can lead to getting a CPA. This requires a certain amount of accounting classes, 5 years of school and passing 4 tests. So a lot of hoops to jump through, but this is a rare case where the undergrad degree directly applies to a career/necessary credential, like in engineering, nursing, etc. Most undergrad degress don't offer that.
11-01-2019 10:50 PM
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If you're shooting big you double major in finance/accounting and go for jobs with name brand capital markets or investment banking firms.
11-02-2019 08:55 AM
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