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(06-27-2013 02:54 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  
(06-27-2013 02:50 AM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  My life isn't screwed up, never claimed it was. I'm come from a family with enough money to pay for whatever college I get into. But shit, I know a lot of my fellow white men that aren't so lucky.

Wow, did I pinch a nerve, are you taking the fact I am bringing up anti-white discrimination personally?

That is what I thought. You just made up shit because you feel like you deserved something. Instead of a reality where you weren't good enough, you had to make something up about how other people with lower stats beat you and it was anti-white.

All conjecture on your part with no facts because your ego can't take your failure.
Yup, I am a mean racist cracker that makes up lies. Discrimination against Whites doesn't occur. Carry on goys, carry on crackers, nothing to see here.
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RE: Jezebel: A letter to affirmative action reject Abigail Fisher
(06-27-2013 02:57 AM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  
(06-27-2013 02:54 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  
(06-27-2013 02:50 AM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  My life isn't screwed up, never claimed it was. I'm come from a family with enough money to pay for whatever college I get into. But shit, I know a lot of my fellow white men that aren't so lucky.

Wow, did I pinch a nerve, are you taking the fact I am bringing up anti-white discrimination personally?

That is what I thought. You just made up shit because you feel like you deserved something. Instead of a reality where you weren't good enough, you had to make something up about how other people with lower stats beat you and it was anti-white.

All conjecture on your part with no facts because your ego can't take your failure.
Yup, I am a mean racist cracker that makes up lies. Discrimination against Whites doesn't occur. Carry on goys, carry on crackers, nothing to see here.

worldwidetraveler, it is pretty well known that it is harder to get into top schools if you are white and especially asian.

From this article, here is a quote: "If all other credentials are equal, Asian-Americans need to score 140 points more than whites, 270 points higher than Hispanics, and 450 points above African-Americans out of a maximum 1600 on the math and reading SAT to have the same chance of admission to a private college, according to “No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal,” a 2009 book co-written by Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade."
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RE: Jezebel: A letter to affirmative action reject Abigail Fisher
Even if you go to a slightly less selective college, you will probably be ok if you work hard at something that teaches you real world skills.
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(06-27-2013 03:06 AM)speeddemon Wrote:  
(06-27-2013 02:57 AM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  
(06-27-2013 02:54 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  
(06-27-2013 02:50 AM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  My life isn't screwed up, never claimed it was. I'm come from a family with enough money to pay for whatever college I get into. But shit, I know a lot of my fellow white men that aren't so lucky.

Wow, did I pinch a nerve, are you taking the fact I am bringing up anti-white discrimination personally?

That is what I thought. You just made up shit because you feel like you deserved something. Instead of a reality where you weren't good enough, you had to make something up about how other people with lower stats beat you and it was anti-white.

All conjecture on your part with no facts because your ego can't take your failure.
Yup, I am a mean racist cracker that makes up lies. Discrimination against Whites doesn't occur. Carry on goys, carry on crackers, nothing to see here.

worldwidetraveler, it is pretty well known that it is harder to get into top schools if you are white and especially asian.

From this article, here is a quote: "If all other credentials are equal, Asian-Americans need to score 140 points more than whites, 270 points higher than Hispanics, and 450 points above African-Americans out of a maximum 1600 on the math and reading SAT to have the same chance of admission to a private college, according to “No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal,” a 2009 book co-written by Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade."

I was addressing Galnuc assertions with questions in which he failed to answer. I never said things like that didn't exist. I simply asked how he knew he was beat with lesser gpa's based on race.

Am I suppose to believe him when he cannot answer these questions while being adamant that he did indeed have a superior application?

The problem is with guys like Galnuc who get on the bandwagon and shout racism when he has no proof. He is no better than the radical feminist imo.
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RE: Jezebel: A letter to affirmative action reject Abigail Fisher
Two of my good friends from high school, who were best friends, both applied to Cal Poly's Engineering department. Very hard to get into. Damn near every major at the campus was impacted at the time, and probably still is, because it's a great place to live and a popular school.

One of my friends is white, other Hispanic. My white friend had a higher GPA, higher SAT's, and had more scholarships than our friend whose mom is from Honduras. My white friend did not get in, while my Hispanic friend did.

I have no idea if AA was the reason or not, what their exact GPAs were, or anything else. WWT and Gulnac going at each other reminded me of this story, as they use to bust each others balls all of the time about it. My Hispanic friend thought it was hilarious that he got in and our other buddy didn't. They would rag on each other constantly about it.

Almost forgot, they both ended up getting arrested for stealing books or some stupid shit like that from the campus book store. My Hispanic buddy got booted out of school, my white friend never ended up going there.
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(06-27-2013 03:12 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  Two of my good friends from high school, who were best friends, both applied to Cal Poly's Engineering department. Very hard to get into. Damn near every major at the campus was impacted at the time, and probably still is, because it's a great place to live and a popular school.

One of my friends is white, other Hispanic. My white friend had a higher GPA, higher SAT's, and had more scholarships than our friend whose mom is from Honduras. My white friend did not get in, while my Hispanic friend did.

I have no idea if AA was the reason or not, what their exact GPAs were, or anything else. WWT and Gulnac going at each other reminded me of this story, as they use to bust each others balls all of the time about it. My Hispanic friend thought it was hilarious that he got in and our other buddy didn't. They would rag on each other constantly about it.

The Asian valedictorian at my school had a 2390 SAT and represented the US in international math competitions, but he got shut out of Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Wharton, Stanford and MIT.

Everyone was shocked because this kid was both social and brilliant, but life goes on and he is now working as a engineering consultant making good money.
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(06-27-2013 03:16 AM)speeddemon Wrote:  The Asian valedictorian at my school had a 2390 SAT and represented the US in international math competitions, but he got shut out of Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Wharton, Stanford and MIT.

Everyone was shocked because this kid was both social and brilliant, but life goes on and he is now working as a engineering consultant making good money.

We also had an Asian valedictorian, but she went to Berkley so no problems there. Her parents shut down their Chinese restaurant in town and moved to Berkley with her. Poor girl, she's probably still a virgin.
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(06-27-2013 03:10 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  
(06-27-2013 03:06 AM)speeddemon Wrote:  
(06-27-2013 02:57 AM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  
(06-27-2013 02:54 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  
(06-27-2013 02:50 AM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  My life isn't screwed up, never claimed it was. I'm come from a family with enough money to pay for whatever college I get into. But shit, I know a lot of my fellow white men that aren't so lucky.

Wow, did I pinch a nerve, are you taking the fact I am bringing up anti-white discrimination personally?

That is what I thought. You just made up shit because you feel like you deserved something. Instead of a reality where you weren't good enough, you had to make something up about how other people with lower stats beat you and it was anti-white.

All conjecture on your part with no facts because your ego can't take your failure.
Yup, I am a mean racist cracker that makes up lies. Discrimination against Whites doesn't occur. Carry on goys, carry on crackers, nothing to see here.

worldwidetraveler, it is pretty well known that it is harder to get into top schools if you are white and especially asian.

From this article, here is a quote: "If all other credentials are equal, Asian-Americans need to score 140 points more than whites, 270 points higher than Hispanics, and 450 points above African-Americans out of a maximum 1600 on the math and reading SAT to have the same chance of admission to a private college, according to “No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal,” a 2009 book co-written by Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade."

I was addressing Galnuc assertions with questions in which he failed to answer. I never said things like that didn't exist. I simply asked how he knew he was beat with lesser gpa's based on race.

Am I suppose to believe him when he cannot answer these questions while being adamant that he did indeed have a superior application?

The problem is with guys like Galnuc who get on the bandwagon and shout racism when he has no proof. He is no better than the radical feminist imo.
You never asked any questions.
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(06-27-2013 03:33 AM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  You never asked any questions.

I'm starting to see why you didn't get into that school.
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(06-27-2013 03:29 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  
(06-27-2013 03:16 AM)speeddemon Wrote:  The Asian valedictorian at my school had a 2390 SAT and represented the US in international math competitions, but he got shut out of Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Wharton, Stanford and MIT.

Everyone was shocked because this kid was both social and brilliant, but life goes on and he is now working as a engineering consultant making good money.

We also had an Asian valedictorian, but she went to Berkley so no problems there. Her parents shut down their Chinese restaurant in town and moved to Berkley with her. Poor girl, she's probably still a virgin.

Hahah this reminds me of a story close to home.

My South Asian parents really wanted my little brother to go to this top 20 university in our city, so that he could "live at home and study hard" during college.

After some persuasion, they let him go where he wanted to go.
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(06-27-2013 03:39 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  
(06-27-2013 03:33 AM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  You never asked any questions.

I'm starting to see why you didn't get into that school.

Why you have the right to vote, much less to speak freely in a civil society, disturbs me.
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(06-27-2013 03:47 AM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  
(06-27-2013 03:39 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  
(06-27-2013 03:33 AM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  You never asked any questions.

I'm starting to see why you didn't get into that school.

Why you have the right to vote, much less to speak freely in a civil society, disturbs me.

That's racist!
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(06-27-2013 03:53 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  
(06-27-2013 03:47 AM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  
(06-27-2013 03:39 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  
(06-27-2013 03:33 AM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  You never asked any questions.

I'm starting to see why you didn't get into that school.

Why you have the right to vote, much less to speak freely in a civil society, disturbs me.

That's racist!

Well, I don't think anyone should vote, but yea, I suppose you could say I am racist by the modern definition of the word, what of it?
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(06-27-2013 02:27 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  You sure went through a lot of dialogue only to not answer Athlone's questions. I would be interested in how you know the stats of the kids.

Stuff like gpa and extra extracurriculars that you are sure you beat them with.

Is this info posted on the web for everyone to see? Did you have an inside source that showed you their info?

worldwidetraveler Wrote:I was addressing Galnuc assertions with questions in which he failed to answer. I never said things like that didn't exist. I simply asked how he knew he was beat with lesser gpa's based on race.

Am I suppose to believe him when he cannot answer these questions while being adamant that he did indeed have a superior application?

The problem is with guys like Galnuc who get on the bandwagon and shout racism when he has no proof. He is no better than the radical feminist imo.

(06-27-2013 03:33 AM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  You never asked any questions.
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What would happen if you're white but check the Hispanic box on the admissions application? Is anyone going to investigate and claim otherwise? Why don't more people do this?
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(06-27-2013 05:12 AM)Menace Wrote:  What would happen if you're white but check the Hispanic box on the admissions application? Is anyone going to investigate and claim otherwise? Why don't more people do this?

I suspect that the potential fall out (potentially getting kicked out of college) undermines the incentive to give it a shot.

That being said, how do you know that a lot of people don't do this?
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(06-27-2013 05:12 AM)Menace Wrote:  What would happen if you're white but check the Hispanic box on the admissions application? Is anyone going to investigate and claim otherwise? Why don't more people do this?

I highly doubt anyone would check, but the slight risk of getting caught deters people.

Some people might already be doing it, but they most likely wouldn't go around telling everyone that they are doing it. Everyone who is mixed race is probably checking the more advantageous box regardless of what group they actually identify with.
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(06-27-2013 01:47 AM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  Now it just seems you are excusing anti-white racism and racial favoritism in that next paragraph. If only a handful of people from my school applied, and that university takes a certain amount of people from my school, it can be reasonably be assumed that had he been white and had the same grades as this non-white applicant, that I would have gotten the spot hands down.

In the case of Abigail Fisher, 47 applicants were admitted ahead of her with lower scores. Just 5 of these were non-white.
Her case has already shown us that it is actually quite possible for certain whites with lower scores to take spots ahead of others who consider themselves "more qualified", and in many cases such whites outnumber the number of "less qualified" minorities that rejected whites usually blame for their rejection.

Quote:I can say I am honestly glad I didn't go to a UC, and went where I went, honestly I probably would have turned it down. But it is the principle that matters here.

Hold on.

You're claiming in this thread that your rejection from the UC system was evidence of anti-white discrimination.
Now you claim that, in actuality, that rejection was the best outcome and that, had you been accepted, you would have spurned UC anyway for that better outcome (a non-UC).

In short, you're white, and you're saying that it was better to go to a non-UC and this is what you preferred all along.

If the non-UC is in fact the better outcome (as you've claimed), how can any system be claimed to be "anti-white" for (allegedly) pushing certain whites away from UC in favor of (allegedly, as you claim) certain non-whites? Wouldn't that be a pro-white action since, in your words, the non-UC is the better outcome anyway?

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(06-27-2013 02:14 AM)speeddemon Wrote:  I just want the elite schools to come out and say: "we discriminate against asians & indians today just like we discriminated against jews & guidos in the past"

Well, that would be somewhat challenging.

In the past, elite schools discriminated against Jews and Italians by simply not allowing them in and/or (in the case of Jews) capping their percentages at a very low number so as to make sure they were underrepresented.

Elite schools (such as Ivies) today craft student bodies that essentially ensure that Asians are vastly overrepresented relative to their percentage of the population, while blacks and hispanics (for all of the talk about affirmative action "equalizing representation" and "redressing past inequities) remain vastly underrepresented at just about every Ivy.

Even if you claim that there is discrimination, it could not be considered of the same kind/method practiced in the past against Jews or Italians who, again, were usually simply not allowed into the school in any numbers at all (Italians, actually, are still kind of rare at Ivies).

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I just want to say Galnuc is correct about affirmative action. I am Latin and I got into an excellent private university (with a 2.6ish or 2.8ish GPA, 1790 SAT scores, and a couple of sports) while my friends that played sports all year, higher than 3.5 GPA (we compared GPAs when report cards came), Key Club, National Honor Society, and some other faggot clubs got accepted into shitty states schools in Cali (SJ State, CSU Sacramento, CSU East Bay, etc.). They were Asian btw.

Anyways, I laugh whenever I remember how hard they stressed about grades and extracurriculars while I blazed and made up the shit I did on college apps. Who the fuck is gonna confirm whether or not I was the treasurer of a club? They're good in school but perform poorly in life.
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(06-27-2013 02:14 AM)speeddemon Wrote:  I just want the elite schools to come out and say: "we discriminate against asians & indians today just like we discriminated against jews & guidos in the past"

Well, that would be somewhat challenging.

In the past, elite schools discriminated against Jews and Italians by simply not allowing them in and/or (in the case of Jews) capping their percentages at a very low number so as to make sure they were underrepresented.

Elite schools (such as Ivies) today craft student bodies that essentially ensure that Asians are vastly overrepresented relative to their percentage of the population, while blacks and hispanics (for all of the talk about affirmative action "equalizing representation" and "redressing past inequities) remain vastly underrepresented at just about every Ivy.

Even if you claim that there is discrimination, it could not be considered of the same kind/method practiced in the past against Jews or Italians who, again, were usually simply not allowed into the school in any numbers at all (Italians, actually, are still kind of rare at Ivies).

I don't mind their admissions policies.

However, the standards are definitely higher for middle class asian and white students than they are for very rich whites, very rich internationals and blacks/hispanics.

The problem faced by middle class asians and whites is that there are too many people who all have high SATs, high GPAs and good extracurriculars.

To stand out, you have to have extremely impressive extracurriculars that most people are not be able to achieve. For example, my Indian friend who got into Harvard did 2 research projects (1 completely by himself and 1 in conjunction with a well known medical lab) that both came close to winning international science fairs. His grades/SATs were also really high. The very rich people and other minorities simply do not have to compete against this insane level of competition.

That being said, I'd rather be a doctor or engineer from a state school than a political scientist from an Ivy.
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(06-27-2013 01:21 PM)Edmund Dantes Wrote:  I just want to say Galnuc is correct about affirmative action. I am Latin and I got into an excellent private university (with a 2.6ish or 2.8ish GPA, 1790 SAT scores, and a couple of sports) while my friends that played sports all year, higher than 3.5 GPA (we compared GPAs when report cards came), Key Club, National Honor Society, and some other faggot clubs got accepted into shitty states schools in Cali (SJ State, CSU Sacramento, CSU East Bay, etc.). They were Asian btw.

Anyways, I laugh whenever I remember how hard they stressed about grades and extracurriculars while I blazed and made up the shit I did on college apps. Who the fuck is gonna confirm whether or not I was the treasurer of a club? They're good in school but perform poorly in life.

You loose of you play by the rules. Evrey school has a backdoor to get in. Once you are in your the same as everybody else. I have buddies whom got their doctors to forge disabilities for them, others will dig up first nations status of they can find a half uncle whom was half native.

Nobody is checking anything, everything is a case on case base in that moment in time.

I lied on my application about extra credit stuff too. In got well above the grades I needed but I added the extra credit stuf I was lacking since I knew they would not check shit.

You have to play that game - few get to the top keeping it kosher.
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(06-27-2013 03:04 PM)speeddemon Wrote:  I don't mind their admissions policies.

However, the standards are definitely higher for middle class asian and white students than they are for very rich whites, very rich internationals and blacks/hispanics.

The problem faced by middle class asians and whites is that there are too many people who all have high SATs, high GPAs and good extracurriculars.

To stand out, you have to have extremely impressive extracurriculars that most people are not be able to achieve. For example, my Indian friend who got into Harvard did 2 research projects (1 completely by himself and 1 in conjunction with a well known medical lab) that both came close to winning international science fairs. His grades/SATs were also really high. The very rich people and other minorities simply do not have to compete against this insane level of competition.

Fair enough, I see nothing I disagree with here.

I remember checking the college board's data on SAT scores and percentile cutoffs. The data was broken down by race. You can find it here.

I remember being particularly surprised by the math scores. If you scored a 700 on the SAT Math section, you were above the 99th percentile among blacks. A Mexican with a 700 was also in the 99th percentile in his group. If you were white with the same scores, you were still right around the 93rd percentile (I assume that among Jews, who are considered white, that percentile would be lower).

The Asian figure struck me. A 700 Math score was only in the 75th percentile for Asian test takers.

In short, a black test taker with a 700 math score is 1/100, as is a Mexican. A white test taker with that score is 1/14. An Asian? Merely 1/4.

The Asian percentiles for the other test sections are also significantly lower than other groups, though not by quite as large a margin (ex: 700 Writing Asian = 89th percentile, 700 Writing White = 95th percentile, Black 700 Writing = 99th percentile).

So yes, the pool is quite competitive indeed and that certainly impacts the admissions picture. Asians do need higher scores to be competitive at top schools, but while AA is often cited as the reason for this the sheer number of high scorers out there plays a role as well.

Quote:That being said, I'd rather be a doctor or engineer from a state school than a political scientist from an Ivy.

Hypothetical: You're a student with Ivy caliber scores. You are certain you want to go into a STEM field or perhaps head for medicine. Let's say you live in a state like California, which has many solid state schools. You have Ivy caliber scores and extracurriculars and so can get expect to get sizable scholarship aid at a UC along with in-state tuition.

In this hypothetical, it would be best to head to the UC over any Ivy or Stanford/Duke/elite liberal arts school. Perhaps the prestige of an Ivy degree could hold some weight in this comparison, but even then the sheer financial advantage of staying home and completing a highly employable course of study with minimal debt is hard to ignore. That advantage can only be mitigated by the edge Ivies have in certain fields of work (ex: if you want to head to wall street as a quant, you'd best go Ivy).

The problem is that many students who fit into this hypothetical are struck by the prestige of the Ivy League label above all else, and end up making the wrong choice. They get STEM/Pre-Med tracks done at these Ivies, but wind up with much more debt than they would otherwise have had.

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RE: Jezebel: A letter to affirmative action reject Abigail Fisher
(06-27-2013 04:35 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  
(06-27-2013 03:04 PM)speeddemon Wrote:  I don't mind their admissions policies.

However, the standards are definitely higher for middle class asian and white students than they are for very rich whites, very rich internationals and blacks/hispanics.

The problem faced by middle class asians and whites is that there are too many people who all have high SATs, high GPAs and good extracurriculars.

To stand out, you have to have extremely impressive extracurriculars that most people are not be able to achieve. For example, my Indian friend who got into Harvard did 2 research projects (1 completely by himself and 1 in conjunction with a well known medical lab) that both came close to winning international science fairs. His grades/SATs were also really high. The very rich people and other minorities simply do not have to compete against this insane level of competition.

Fair enough, I see nothing I disagree with here.

I remember checking the college board's data on SAT scores and percentile cutoffs. The data was broken down by race. You can find it here.

I remember being particularly surprised by the math scores. If you scored a 700 on the SAT Math section, you were above the 99th percentile among blacks. A Mexican with a 700 was also in the 99th percentile in his group. If you were white with the same scores, you were still right around the 93rd percentile (I assume that among Jews, who are considered white, that percentile would be lower).

The Asian figure struck me. A 700 Math score was only in the 75th percentile for Asian test takers.

In short, a black test taker with a 700 math score is 1/100, as is a Mexican. A white test taker with that score is 1/14. An Asian? Merely 1/4.

The Asian percentiles for the other test sections are also significantly lower than other groups, though not by quite as large a margin (ex: 700 Writing Asian = 89th percentile, 700 Writing White = 95th percentile, Black 700 Writing = 99th percentile).

So yes, the pool is quite competitive indeed and that certainly impacts the admissions picture. Asians do need higher scores to be competitive at top schools, but while AA is often cited as the reason for this the sheer number of high scorers out there plays a role as well.

Quote:That being said, I'd rather be a doctor or engineer from a state school than a political scientist from an Ivy.

Hypothetical: You're a student with Ivy caliber scores. You are certain you want to go into a STEM field or perhaps head for medicine. Let's say you live in a state like California, which has many solid state schools. You have Ivy caliber scores and extracurriculars and so can get expect to get sizable scholarship aid at a UC along with in-state tuition.

In this hypothetical, it would be best to head to the UC over any Ivy or Stanford/Duke/elite liberal arts school. Perhaps the prestige of an Ivy degree could hold some weight in this comparison, but even then the sheer financial advantage of staying home and completing a highly employable course of study with minimal debt is hard to ignore. That advantage can only be mitigated by the edge Ivies have in certain fields of work (ex: if you want to head to wall street as a quant, you'd best go Ivy).

The problem is that many students who fit into this hypothetical are struck by the prestige of the Ivy League label above all else, and end up making the wrong choice. They get STEM/Pre-Med tracks done at these Ivies, but wind up with much more debt than they would otherwise have had.

Almost all students would jump at chance to have "Ivy-League trained thinker" in their 1 minute biography. Sounds much better than "Big Ten trained thinker."

How much debt are you graduating with?
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RE: Jezebel: A letter to affirmative action reject Abigail Fisher
I sure hope these stupid twats don't have White babies, they're deluded if they believe that if they believe that they'll be paid back for this kind of insanity, their kids will never forgive them for this.
But when you think about it, the more they exclude White males from universities, the better, less Whites( and Non Whites) exposed to the crap that is taught in colleges today, the better.


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