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How to get a job as a python (or any other language) developer
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RE: How to get a job as a python (or any other language) developer
Some notes on getting a job for people who live relatively near where 'software dev' jobs are posted.

This is probably common sense for most of you but you're going to get a lot further by calling the company and asking to speak with the supervisor or maybe hiring manager (though I would try to sidestep HR as much as possible) - rather than jumping through all the online hoops that can go fuck themselves.

The retards in HR outsource their own "difficult" work by posting these usually lowball job offers on indeed, linkedin, monster, etc; sometimes without the authority to do so (withdrawing offers frequently) and get 14580928342 applications from around the country, maybe 1% of which can be considered serious - so while I can sympathize with the 'data overload', these idiots brought it upon themselves. They were sweet talked by satan himself who said that their jobs were hard and their software algorithms were useful. I've wasted a lot of time getting no response job hunting 'conventionally', probably because I've never spent a dime on somebody or software that can optimize keywords for me.

It's much easier to get a job if you can convince a supervisor or manager that you have huge incentive to stick around considering it's only a ten minute drive from your house.

I don't even bother with the 'apply now' shit on indeed, linkedin, etc; and you shouldn't either - just write down the name of the company in a notebook and call them. You might have to call four or five times or drive over and drop of resumes at hiring managers or whatever but if you're seen as somebody who could easily be a regular, getting hired is much less of a pain in the ass and they might actually consider you a future employee.

^^^^Building on what EEnomad has to say, from what I've heard talking to other freelancers (most of them not software guys), you have to charge more than the rate that you'd usually expect from a wage slave job - oftentimes double. Not because you're necessarily a 200k/yr employee, but because 50% of your time is going to be spent finding and following up on leads.
Even if you think you have more work than you know what to do with, there's always the issue of flaky payments, filing liens, and getting dicked around that you'd never have to put up with if you were just an employee and your employer absorbed all that risk.
Charging more also scares off the guys who just want to waste your time (i.e; they see you as a rent-an-employee to hurl abuse at rather than an independent contractor). It can eventually be extremely lucrative but like all things you have to put in the ground work and not many people I know who have 'made it' as independent contractors would ever willingly go back.
(This post was last modified: 11-17-2018 01:21 PM by flanders.)
11-17-2018 01:19 PM
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RE: How to get a job as a python (or any other language) developer
Guys that work remote, what is your set up for clients that need to white list your IP to access the server/dashboards. Do you just remote screen into a home computer?

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RE: How to get a job as a python (or any other language) developer
I'm currently busy building my first startup, where another guy is coding it up. I have worked in tech for many years, but only by doing enterprise sales and managing larger projects. Never through coding myself.

Two months into the startup my naivety in how long stuff takes to code was killed. Initially we estimated it would take about a month to build a prototype, but that has now turned into 3. We are bootstrapping this so validating the product as early as possible is integral. As I currently have a lot of free time on my hand and I need this startup to succeed, I thought why not take up programming. I've always felt a bit dumbfound working in tech, but not truly understanding it to the core. I wanted to remove that fog and develop a better understanding with programming logic.

I started learning Python because it seemed like a good syntax to begin with and it seems to be very reliable in solving many problems in the domains I work in.

Boy, how fun this is! One week in I can't understand why I haven't started learning this before. Programming seems to be just the kind of problem solving I like doing.

Two weeks in I have multiple scrapers running on AWS Lambda and a few other scripts which cleans and analyse everything I scrape, in addition to feeding this to a mysql server which my developer will get and use for our startup. The feeling of building something that is actually useful to our business feels so fantastic. And its a testament to how simple Python is to learn.

I'll dedicate a lot of time to programming the next few years. As I have a few ideas that I want to build prototypes for and I love data science, bitcoin & automation I'm probably gonna focus on:

- Python and all of the data science packages like pandas, SciPy etc
- Flask
- Javascript

Right now I'm just spending the next few weeks on learning Python, pandas and databases. Gone through codecademy, 'automate the boring stuff with python' and now doing 'learning python the hard way'.

I'm also keen on trying to find some work down the line to learn faster. I have read this whole thread and its a great place for information. I'll be following it from now on and probably shoot some questions from time to time.
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RE: How to get a job as a python (or any other language) developer
If programming interests you and you are interested in building a web application you should check out django or flask. They are both web frameworks powered by python.

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11-20-2018 07:01 AM
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I've been learning to code now for about 10 months or so. I started of with python, basically following the OP's advice. After getting some projects on to my github and a portfolio website set up I decided to just send out some applications to recruiters just to test the waters really.

Currently I've had one call back from a recruiter and I've got an interview coming up in a couple of weeks for a junior developer position.

Alot of the junior developer jobs here in the UK are wanting Javascript, so i've started to learn this as well. In fact if I had to choose a starting language I'd probably choose Javascript.
12-28-2018 05:08 PM
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RE: How to get a job as a python (or any other language) developer
What projects did you do TylerDurden1993?

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12-28-2018 06:43 PM
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RE: How to get a job as a python (or any other language) developer
On breaking into the field: when I was starting out 8+ years ago, I built up a solid reputation on ODesk (it's now called Upwork) by charging super low rates initially and working my way up. Then I had a couple of multi-month full-time projects, so I had something to put on my resume, which helped me get a "real" job. I've worked at a few small and large companies including FANG since then.
12-29-2018 07:22 AM
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(12-28-2018 06:43 PM)B-Minus Wrote:  What projects did you do TylerDurden1993?

Most of my projects have been using Django. I have a couple of website clone projects. A couple of blogs and a personal portfolio site.

I've got two projects hosted on the internet;

one of them is a clone website that I put on pythonanywhere.com (you can host one project on there for free).

The other one is my personal portfolio site that's hosted on a VPS using Digital Ocean. I include the URL on my CV and cover letter. This contains a description of projects I've been working on and a blog site where I post what I've been learning.

My other project is a blackjack game that you play in the command line.
(This post was last modified: 12-29-2018 09:53 AM by tylerdurden1993.)
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RE: How to get a job as a python (or any other language) developer
For those of you who are web developers, is Angular overtaking AngularJS or is the latter still preferred? I know Angular made some huge changes such as getting ride of scope and moving the language used from Javascript to Typescript.
01-10-2019 06:06 PM
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RE: How to get a job as a python (or any other language) developer
Can anyone comment on the viability of going to one of these coder camp schools that offers to get you into a $120,000+/yr job after graduating from their 8-12 week program? (I would post a link, but it's been a while since I saw one of these FB ads in my newsfeed)
01-10-2019 09:20 PM
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RE: How to get a job as a python (or any other language) developer
Man, getting into python syntax after Java makes me feel like a kid in growns ups world. After getting so many recommendations to learn Python, I now am embracing on the journey. See you on the other side.


(04-04-2018 11:53 AM)Gopnik Wrote:  Slightly off topic, but thought I'd share an old video and article from Maverick Traveler about his experiences in programming.





https://mavericktraveler.com/6-reasons-w...ogrammers/

He basically argues that programming fucks your social skills, forces you to compete against cheap labour from india and after only a few years most programmers move to a managerial role (it's meant to be a promotion I think, but he seems to mean this in a negative way which seems a bit contradictive).



If programming fucks up your social skills you are a pussy who had no social skills at the first place. Any man who has studied game isn't gonna suddenly lose his social skills.
However like Godzilla said, warm up is most likely necessary if you plan going on a date, but that isn't programming inclusive. You wouldn't go on a date straight after doing hours of anything problem solving related anyway.
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