Post: #1

Got a tweet from Danger&Play linking to an AMA with a guy who's slept with 100+ hookers

http://o.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go...e=1&pc=467

My favourite comment from the guy

Tarado Safado Wrote:Rio de Janeiro

I am heading to Brazil this fall for a couple of months and look forward to heading to the termas

The termas are high end brothels/ gentlemen's relaxation spas. There is an entry charge of $30 - but that keeps the low lifes out and it is worth the fee to see inside!. You enter, get a wrist band and slip into a rope and slippers. Take a shower and steam, have a shave,brush your teeth and then head up into the bar.

In the bar are anywhere between 8-100 (yes..you read correctly 100) brazilian girls in bikinis and lingerie waiting to meet you. None of them are ugly because it is so competitive the unattractive ones would never get a customer.
Blondes with silicone, bodybuilder chicks with big round asses and thick thighs (my God these asses!!), girls as black as night and every shade of mulatta and morena in between. Even some Japanese blood in there. My God the bodies on some of the girls.

You get a soda water or red bull and take a seat on the banquettes. My advice is to wait as long as humanly possible before you choose. Each one is hotter than the last. Be careful not to make eye contact - use the mirrors or else she will be over in your lap with her hand under your robe in no time! Take your time and see ALL of the girls.

When you see the one you like, wave her over and she will come and sit beside you. It helps to speak Portuguese as many of the girls have little english. The hottest girl I ever sexed in my life spoke ZERO english. Good thing I studied Portuguese. Some of the girls are so hot that I feel nervous talking to them. They are VERY friendly and not shy at all! Within 1 minute she will lean in to kiss you.

I prefer the mulatta girls (mixed black blood) and the bodybuilder girls. I met one specimen in 4x4 that was a 300 lb squatter with italian looks and an ass that they write hip hop songs about. In the room she was romantic and patient and showered with me beore pulling me to the bed and making me glimpse the infinite.

You can hit bodybuilder poses in the full length bedside mirror while shagging her doggystyle - lol

Cost is about $150-175 (all in - pun intended) if you get a nice suite. Lasts an hour in the room and a lifetime in the memories.

Have a shower and steam after and then go meet your wingman in the lounge to watch soccer or plan to get a bite to eat at the rodizio.

This is how a man should enjoy himself for working hard :-)

No one seems to have asked if the guy has had a vasectomy yet

EDIT - I meant to post this in "Everything Else" as it's technically not "Game" (Sex without overt payment). Mods, feel free to move.

Post: #2

No interest in pay to play at the moment but yeah paying for a 100 hookers at $150 each is $15,000

How many months of alimony and child support is that?

Would you rather buy a $450,000 house for ex wife or fuck 3,000 young hot whores?

My god it is stupid to get married. Mongering seems like a decent option once we're too old to fully be in the game.

But I'm pretty sure after enough whores it would get old and guys would want something more meaningful but still.

Wonder how much it would cost to hire a live in maid/cook/hooker. Must be some discount for volume ha

Note to mods no ban for p4p talk plz/ move to e.e.

Post: #3

Great read. Its always interesting to see the flipside. One mental exercise is picturing the worst case scenario-

Doing P4P at age 50+ isn't that bad of a life. Do your hobbies, get a new GF for the night or week, move-on. Guy is living like a king on 80k/year. Can't knock him on knowing what he likes.

Post: #4

(07-26-2013 02:05 PM)bacan Wrote:  No interest in pay to play at the moment but yeah paying for a 100 hookers at $150 each is $15,000

How many months of alimony and child support is that?

Would you rather buy a $450,000 house for ex wife or fuck 3,000 young hot whores?

My god it is stupid to get married. Mongering seems like a decent option once we're too old to fully be in the game.

But I'm pretty sure after enough whores it would get old and guys would want something more meaningful but still.

Wonder how much it would cost to hire a live in maid/cook/hooker. Must be some discount for volume ha

Note to mods no ban for p4p talk plz/ move to e.e.

When it gets old..you hunt humans like in HOSTEL.

Post: #5

What's amazing to me is the number of 'normal' girls who engage in P4P. I know two very normal seeming girls who bang dudes for money. One of them is a consultant and sets up sugar daddy arrangements in the towns she consults in. Dudes pay for her cellphone, car payment, student loans, etc. The other one is a world class athlete who straight up fucks dudes for cash. She uses the money to travel to competitions. Both girls date normal dudes who have no idea what they do on the side.

Post: #6

(07-26-2013 05:36 PM)Ensam Wrote:  What's amazing to me is the number of 'normal' girls who engage in P4P. I know two very normal seeming girls who bang dudes for money. One of them is a consultant and sets up sugar daddy arrangements in the towns she consults in. Dudes pay for her cellphone, car payment, student loans, etc. The other one is a world class athlete who straight up fucks dudes for cash. She uses the money to travel to competitions. Both girls date normal dudes who have no idea what they do on the side.

That's how it is in FSU.

Post: #7

(07-26-2013 02:05 PM)bacan Wrote:  Wonder how much it would cost to hire a live in maid/cook/hooker. Must be some discount for volume ha

I'd recommend against doing that.

A live-in maid can work a few years and then claim in court she believed she was your common-law wife. She's living in your house. You're fucking her. So the story checks out.

Post: #8

(07-26-2013 06:05 PM)Tigre Wrote:  

(07-26-2013 02:05 PM)bacan Wrote:  Wonder how much it would cost to hire a live in maid/cook/hooker. Must be some discount for volume ha

I'd recommend against doing that.

A live-in maid can work a few years and then claim in court she believed she was your common-law wife. She's living in your house. You're fucking her. So the story checks out.

Not if he does all of that in Thailand lol

Post: #9

Props to the guy. He's putting public shaming aside and indulging his carnal desires, as men should however they please and however they see fit. I've never P4P before but I would if the quality was there.

When I go to S. America, even if I'm doing well with game alone, I'm still going to make a point of doing P4P at least once to see what a couple hundred bucks gets you.

I can already see at the age of 31 that P4P and game aren't that far apart. They're both empowering ways for men to get what they want without any of the bullshit that women try to hoist upon our gender. In fact, I want to make a shirt that says, "Prostitution is empowering". See the American hamsters have a field day with that one.

Post: #10

(07-27-2013 12:08 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Props to the guy. He's putting public shaming aside and indulging his carnal desires, as men should however they please and however they see fit. I've never P4P before but I would if the quality was there.

When I go to S. America, even if I'm doing well with game alone, I'm still going to make a point of doing P4P at least once to see what a couple hundred bucks gets you.

I can already see at the age of 31 that P4P and game aren't that far apart. They're both empowering ways for men to get what they want without any of the bullshit that women try to hoist upon our gender. In fact, I want to make a shirt that says, "Prostitution is empowering". See the American hamsters have a field day with that one.

Remember what Roosh said about true cost per notch? If a guy is being honest about his goals and identifying them as such, there's no shame in that game.

Post: #11

I don't do p4p but never hated on it. I know it's what I'll be doing when old.

One of favorite things about going to strip clubs is seeing old men with strippers. It's a reminder to work hard. "As long as I have money, I'll have women."

Post: #12

Best part is he seems like a normal guy- not a crazed whoremonger like some I see walking around BKK. He does throw some wisdom and introspection towards the readers about keeping P4P separate from your "deep desires of companionship".

Post: #13

"I am self employed and save my money to travel. I want to see the world before I die 9and shag a beautiful girl in each of those countries)

I became single again in my 30's. After another shitty date with some mid-30s woman with baby-rabies, I asked myself "What else could I do here??"

Decided to put aside the internet dating and focus on travel.

Going to other countries has SHATTERED my previously held views of women and sex. "

Post: #14

(07-27-2013 12:48 PM)DVY Wrote:  Best part is he seems like a normal guy- not a crazed whoremonger like some I see walking around BKK. He does throw some wisdom and introspection towards the readers about keeping P4P separate from your "deep desires of companionship".

Agreed, but while he keeps them separate he doesn't say they are mutually exclusive. One of his recollections below:

Tarado Safado Wrote:one of my best experiences with pay for play - before I go to sleep for the night

I fly from Singapore (a whole other story! into Philippines.
1st night I am there I am having a drink at this watering hole watch8ing the bgirls walk down the street and this voluptuous young filpina gives me the wave. Wow, nice face, big boobies and high heels with long toenails. Then she disappears inot one of the bars.

I go in later, can't find the girl inside. Walking out the door someone grabs me from behind and it is Julie Pearl (JP) and hugs me. It's on! She is 21 years old, curvy and laughing full of life.

Great chemistry and I take back to my room. I slip under the sheets with her naked and.... :-) I had a gut feeling about this girl - this is the one to take on a honeymoon with me.
She never left my side for the next 3 weeks. The next day I asked her if she wanted to come scuba diving with down into the Visayan islands - to Cebu

She was nervous because she had never really been anywhere before and never been on a plane. I took her into to speak with her mamasan and told the mamasan that I would pay her barfine (about $30 a day) and treat her nice and that a trip would be a good education for her, to see some of her country, that I was not going to be drunbk and abuse the girl, that we would have lots of fun together.
The mamasan turned away from me and spoke directly to JP "Do you like him? do you want to go with him?"
"Yes mama" and she grabbed my hand.
JP was very nervous on the plane and clung tightly to my hand - her eyes when the plane lifted off and she saw the city below. She felt proud that coming from a poor background that she could get dressed up and get on an airplane. Of course, I am piggybacking on her excitment.

We had to overnight in Cebu City before arranging a ride over the mountains to the world class diving site of Moalboal (look it up). I found a love motel - and booked the Royal suite, all red with mirrored ceiling. JP was titillated by the mirrored ceiling and she took me for 5 enthusiastic rounds. We are excited to be starting an adventure together and the emotions are fresh. It was sublime.

3 hour ride over the mountains to other side of Cebu and we luck into the penthouse suite (floor to ceiling windows on 3 sides) overlooking the ocean.

Everyday I would dive, she would titillate the dive masters and read her romance novels on the boat, then we have a few cold san miguels and play a few games of pool.

After diving, I take a shower back in the room and she gets into the shower to wash me. She shampoos my hair. She follows me to the bed and clips my fingernails and toenails. She massages coconut cream into my skin and finally rips of the towel and climbs in top. She knows what daddy likes.

Everymorning, I read my book on the patio and watch the ocean while she sings and tidies the room. I am content. I want for nothing.

On the way back to civilization after several weeks - we stop at the mall in Cebu City. I have some extra trip budget and tell her that she was sweet to me and so we have budget to do a little shopping. She picks up some jeans, underwear, panties and tshirts and is just beaming when she walks out of the store with her shopping bags. She is from a poor background and doesn't get to go into a mall and buy something nice.

I have a photo of her smile as she walks out of the store. To spend $60 and have someone look at you like that? Priceless
She was sweet, beautiful and I will never forget her.

That was 4 years ago. She has since married an Aussie and now lives in Brisbane. I see her photos on Facebook and her life is good. We will not likely take another dive trip, but for those several few weeks, I felt happy and alive.

Post: #15

Really sweet story. Just the joy and shared feelings, none of the hard choices that eventually pop up in relationships

Post: #16

(07-26-2013 05:36 PM)Ensam Wrote:  What's amazing to me is the number of 'normal' girls who engage in P4P. I know two very normal seeming girls who bang dudes for money. One of them is a consultant and sets up sugar daddy arrangements in the towns she consults in. Dudes pay for her cellphone, car payment, student loans, etc. The other one is a world class athlete who straight up fucks dudes for cash. She uses the money to travel to competitions. Both girls date normal dudes who have no idea what they do on the side.

Where do you find these girls? I'm guessing they're not on the street corners or craigslist. Consultants escorting? Where?

Post: #17

Speaking of world class athletes banging for cash;

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/s...ton-136952

$600/hour at 40+ years old.

Apparently she didn't even need the money, doing it for kicks. And her husband knew about it. lolz

I'd call her a wall survivor.

Post: #18

(07-27-2013 09:47 PM)LeCorbusier Wrote:  Where do you find these girls? I'm guessing they're not on the street corners or craigslist. Consultants escorting? Where?

Where did I find them? Or where does one who's looking to procure their services find them? As to the former they're just girls I dated briefly. I met both of them out at bars. Their lifestyle far exceeded their earning capacity so I started asking questions in a very non-judgmental way and it didn't take very much for them to cop to it. You're on your own for the latter.

Post: #19

There are way more women in the P4P business in the U.S. than most people realize.Strippers,fitness chix,athletes etc.These are typically women with nothing but beauty to offer.MOST of them have never taken the time to cultivate any real job skills.They do it once and see how easy the $$$ is and most of them keep right on doing it until the looks start to fade then they usually try and catch a sucker.I know of one girl who sold pussy into her late 30's and caught a sucker who has no idea that she used to sell her body.It's really not any different than the women that ride the cock carrousel and then get off when they find a beta provider.The only difference being the whores made $$$ and the square girls gave the pussy away for free.

Post: #20

MMA dude talked about how entitled American hookers were in comparison to the pussy he found abroad.

WIA

(07-28-2013 09:29 AM)TheMachinist Wrote:  There are way more women in the P4P business in the U.S. than most people realize.Strippers,fitness chix,athletes etc.These are typically women with nothing but beauty to offer.MOST of them have never taken the time to cultivate any real job skills.They do it once and see how easy the $$$ is and most of them keep right on doing it until the looks start to fade then they usually try and catch a sucker.I know of one girl who sold pussy into her late 30's and caught a sucker who has no idea that she used to sell her body.It's really not any different than the women that ride the cock carrousel and then get off when they find a beta provider.The only difference being the whores made $$$ and the square girls gave the pussy away for free.

Post: #21

I think American women across the board have an entitlement mentality.It's really sad and it has only gotten worse with the advent of all the instant gratification social media.It makes my blood boil when I see average women at best walk around with their nose in the air.I think Im about to start travelin' the world myself.Im hearing from WAAAAAAY to many people that western culture is fucked up and that once you experience women abroad you never wanna date an American girl again.

Post: #22

A lot of what he says really resonates. I'm not planning on going P4P but the guy is clearly switched on, honest with himself, and fully red pill. There are many guys out there who could do a lot worse than using him as a role model.

Quote:it is far worse to be lonely within a relationship than be lonely and single. some of you who have been in longer relationships will understand what I am saying here.

Quote:Having been through a longer relationship (9 years) in my adult life, I have the perspective of seeing the entirety of the relationship - and not just the initial infatuation and honeymoon period.

And let me say, I am approaching this from having a good relationship - not divorced or fucked over in a settlement. I have never paid a dollar in alimony or child support. It is easy to dismiss my opinion as bitter , but it is not so.

The first couple of years are great! The emotions are fresh, then things start to cool off a bit. Sex starts to dwindle and your love evolves into companionate love. You become friends and sexual frustration sets in.

Boredom sets in. This can last for YEARS. Ever see those couples who have been together too long and barely tolerate each other?

That is what is the more realistic scenario I see with couples around me. I am not eager to get back into another inevitably stale relationship.

"I'd hate myself if I had that kind of attitude, if I were that weak." - Arnold

Post: #23

I was going to post this also, a girl I know found the link and shared it with me. The comments are fucking pathetic, without reading what other posters have written, I just know you guys are laughing at how low level they all are. And on an MMA forum too. Jesus.....

edit; paying for sex is one of the worst things you can ever do for you inner game/self esteem. A girl is sleeping with you as her part of a transaction, not for any real affection or even kind of liking you. If you do this, a little piece of you dies.

Post: #24

(07-30-2013 09:21 PM)Fisto Wrote:  edit; paying for sex is one of the worst things you can ever do for you inner game/self esteem. A girl is sleeping with you as her part of a transaction, not for any real affection or even kind of liking you. If you do this, a little piece of you dies.

The guy at the AMA would say, "Why do you need to have a woman validate your worth by sleeping with you? Who cares if a woman likes you if you get what you want (sex) out of it?"

If a man's self-worth is wrapped up in whether a woman is having sex for him out of "affection" or "liking," then isn't he giving women far too much power?

I was very anti-p4p until reading that thread.

You're a smart guy. I'd encourage you to read the thread. The guy who started it is very rational about everything and lays out a great case.

Post: #25

(07-30-2013 10:00 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(07-30-2013 09:21 PM)Fisto Wrote:  edit; paying for sex is one of the worst things you can ever do for you inner game/self esteem. A girl is sleeping with you as her part of a transaction, not for any real affection or even kind of liking you. If you do this, a little piece of you dies.

The guy at the AMA would say, "Why do you need to have a woman validate your worth by sleeping with you? Who cares if a woman likes you if you get what you want (sex) out of it?"

If a man's self-worth is wrapped up in whether a woman is having sex for him out of "affection" or "liking," then isn't he giving women far too much power?

I was very anti-p4p until reading that thread.

You're a smart guy. I'd encourage you to read the thread. The guy who started it is very rational about everything and lays out a great case.

I read it and I would ask him "Do you feel good about yourself when you are dishonest? Do you feel good about yourself when you don't do something you know you should? Do you feel good about yourself when you blame someone else for something even if no one finds out?"

Those things are independent of outsiders opinion of you. Fucking a girl because you paid her doesn't matter to the girl, but it should matter to a man that wants to master himself and grow.

He can say that all he wants, but if I looked into the dull listless eyes of some whore laying under me pretending to enjoy sex so that I'll cum soon and she can get to the next john I'd feel terrible about myself, and that's from an internal point of view independent from any external opinion.