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RE: Mark Minter is getting married?
From the POV of someone who's also over 50, and who has always been LTR oriented, there is something that you just can't possibly foresee when you're 35. The idea you're going to have that feeling of invincibility at 60 is as delusional as the 22 year old that thinks she's going to be just as hot at 40 as she is now.

I don't mean to discourage-- if anything go for it now.

When I was in my 20s-30s, I could not perceive time the way I do now. That sounds obvious, but I mean I could not even FORESEE seeing time as I do now.

I felt like when I met a woman, when they flirted or didn't flirt, or when they fucked me, they were actually fucking ME.

There is no solid me/you. You are a process, and young women are also processes that tend to interact with processes that are in the most desirable stage.


But as you age, you realize attractive young women are-- were--reacting to a shell, the exterior of you.
You thought it was your personality , and partially it is, but it depends to some degree on the package. But you've never been old-- how can you see that? You believe it's your cool, great personality.

As you become someone OLDER from their point of view, you lose more and more relevance to their sexual desires.

I still get attention from SOME of them, but I can clearly see it changing. Disappearing. Your reflex defense will be to say, you can oversome it with game, with status, and so forth.


Granted when you're in your 50s you can still get 8s if you are really diligent and get to Philippines or have some angle in America like James Woods does. In your 60s and even to some extent your 70s you can attract some women still somewhat attractive .

But to make an extreme example to prove my point, if you're still hanging around, stooped over, deaf, and babbling at 88 or 92, is ANYONE, ANYONE going to find you sexually attractive?

Right-- that cool, glib guy you are now will totally cease to exist. Then even the old guy you've become disappears.

I'll be the first one to admit my terror of child support and becoming an aging slave of the state.

The killer is when chicks start HUMORING you. It doesn't happen that much yet to me, I've just started to notice it sometimes.

They realize-- with mild surprise-- the old guy is flirting with them. It's a little amusing to her, as most middle-aged guys are shut down tight. You're no threat, since there's no attraction on her side. If they're polite they just want to not hurt you're feelings.

It can be disheartening not being a threat anymore.
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(07-26-2013 03:51 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  Dude's 58 years old. Who wants to be living the life of a bachelor when you're 70?

He's been through this before, he knows the score. The odds for marriage suck in the West today. But maybe the odds are worth it from him at this point, with this woman.

Sure some of what he said about marriage, in particular his categorical denunciation of the institution, turns out to have been bluster. Or maybe he changed his mind. Good luck to him.

"Dude's 58 years old. Who wants to be living the life of a bachelor when you're 70?"

Me. That's who. I've been through one marriage/divorce that screwed me financially. I'd rather be alone with a roof over my head in my nice little condo than live with the threat of having everything taken away again.

Look at it this way: at 70, you can always date 50 to 60-year-olds or hire whores. But you'll NEVER be able to rebuild your life financially, which is what I had to do after my divorce. The memory of that hasn't gone away. I'm not about to be handing over deeds and/or savings accounts to anyone, thank you...ESPECIALLY someone with another man's kid. I get paranoid and antsy when a woman even sleeps over, much less attempts to move in.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me, as the saying goes.
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RE: Mark Minter is getting married?
I'm about the same age, been through the same type of divorce experience.

I always thought his writings were way too bitter and yes, hateful. Ya gotta lighten up.

Like, how about having fun with women? Some kind of sense of play? Never got that from anything he wrote. More like he was on some kind of "pump and dump" revenge kick. Made me think about the Dennis Hopper character from Blue Velvet.

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The more bitter the guy is about the divorce (money aside) the more prone to one-itis.

Good luck to him and her.Confused

(07-26-2013 11:30 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  But as you age, you realize attractive young women are-- were--reacting to a shell, the exterior of you.
You thought it was your personality , and partially it is, but it depends to some degree on the package. But you've never been old-- how can you see that? You believe it's your cool, great personality.

As you become someone OLDER from their point of view, you lose more and more relevance to their sexual desires.

I still get attention from SOME of them, but I can clearly see it changing. Disappearing. Your reflex defense will be to say, you can oversome it with game, with status, and so forth.

Granted when you're in your 50s you can still get 8s if you are really diligent and get to Philippines or have some angle in America like James Woods does. In your 60s and even to some extent your 70s you can attract some women still somewhat attractive .

But to make an extreme example to prove my point, if you're still hanging around, stooped over, deaf, and babbling at 88 or 92, is ANYONE, ANYONE going to find you sexually attractive?

Right-- that cool, glib guy you are now will totally cease to exist. Then even the old guy you've become disappears.

I'll be the first one to admit my terror of child support and becoming an aging slave of the state.

The killer is when chicks start HUMORING you. It doesn't happen that much yet to me, I've just started to notice it sometimes.

They realize-- with mild surprise-- the old guy is flirting with them. It's a little amusing to her, as most middle-aged guys are shut down tight. You're no threat, since there's no attraction on her side. If they're polite they just want to not hurt you're feelings.

It can be disheartening not being a threat anymore.

Yep, I had a conversation with THC in Manila about this, explained to him why I was happy with women in their 40s. You can still maintain some genuine attraction with them, and down into the 30s.
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(07-26-2013 03:17 PM)arafat scarf Wrote:  <snip>

Smart post.

If Minter had did some sort of religious or family ceremony where he and his girl pledged fidelity and lifelong loyalty to one another, who here would hate on the guy?

Most of us would think that was pretty awesome.

Few of us are anti-monogamy in the abstract. That is, while it might not work for many of us, we won't hate on a guy who is in a relationship. If you're in love, great.

But.

Signing the legal contract of marriage makes you a little bitch. It's really that simple.
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I read some of Mark's writing and was very unimpressed, I thougth it was quite superficial and dogmatic. I found it hard to read.

As to his marriage, geez, suddenly he's getting all contractual!

Well, I know a couple of alpha guys in their 60's going after (and getting girls in their 20's and 30's) Of course, this requires a lot of status. I have to wonder is this where I want to be at their age? And I honestly don't know.

Perhaps there is part of me that still believes in such a dream of someone who fits you so well, and you resonate with so well, that you don't give a shit about their saggy flesh when you are both old.

I can see myself being in different relationships all throughout my life as I grow and evolve. I couldn't see myself being with one person, till death do us part, and certainly wouldn't make a contract for it!

However, just in hypotheticals, say I am 44 and get with a 20 year old in a presumed death do us part situation. By the time I am 64, she is (hopefully) still pretty pert at 40. By the time I am 84, she is 60. Something about ANY 84 year old being with women much younger creeps me out a little! I know people who are in their 60's who says the sex gets better with age! I'm presuming that by the time you are 82, that its not like you are going to be having sex every day or even every week!

Anyway, Mark thinks he has this scooped, by getting this age difference of 24 years, which I have given examples of. As a 58 old year old Player, I guess finding quality, youth and good company becomes harder and harder; so I understand it. What I don't understand is the necessity for putting a ring on it and getting the contract, surely we can all see that's outdated.

I wonder how long he can put up with her spouting red pill thinking and quoting Roissy's posts, before it becomes tiresome and he starts getting itchy, and remembers why he wrote some of those things he wrote about Marriage...
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I guess it really wasn't possible for Mark to overcome his upbringing. Mark grew up in a time when everyone got married. He had a lot of bad beliefs ingrained into him over 50 years, and no amount of bitterness or ranting on the internet can change that.

I wouldn't judge him. He may simply be unable to.

Reflecting back on Minter's post in light of his current marriage (if these rumors are indeed true), it looks like as if Minter was a moth, who was warning other moths to stay away from the flame (i.e. marriage) but was still irresistibly drawn into it.

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RE: Mark Minter is getting married?
Being single and not getting married is the easiet thing in the world for me.

But then I am an introvert. I am not shy, and I enjoy hanging with people. But I need at least half the day to myself just to chill out and read.

So - I guess I can't really relate to alot of the other guys who feel a need for a connection or companionship with somebody else for the rest of their life.

To me that would be hell. But - I have to remind myself that I shouldn't mix up my own feelings (due to introversion) with a general philosophical outlook.
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I wonder why she insisted on marriage. Apparently she accepts traditional female roles but begins the relationship by forcing him to publicly eat crow and look like a hypocrite? Also starting things off by announcing to your family that you are marrying someone they don't know and later find out is of concern is awkward. They could have just started dating...

I don't fault a 58 year old at all for trying to lock down a source of companionship for his later years. As easy as it is to get a divorce, it's not as easy as just walking away (though as we know divorce may include financial incentives).

I think the reason they did it was to send a clear message to their kids that they are a family now and (in theory) forever.

Does anyone have a link to some of his best writing?
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(07-27-2013 08:51 AM)bacan Wrote:  I wonder why she insisted on marriage.

To guarantee provisioning for her and her kid (that isn't his).
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I just read through the comments that were linked to in the first post. Pretty fucking funny.

Quote:Now the parents are upset and informed me of an appointment they have made for me with a counselor today. I am insulted, but I understand why they are concerned.

Gee. I wonder why a grown woman went to see a shrink after he parents made her?

Could it be because mommy and daddy were taking care of the single mom, and she didn't want cut off from the familiar teat?

This was also funny:
Quote:"The next time someone ’round here even thinks about criticizing me, I hope they will remember I went to fucking bat for the way of life we believe in and a woman’s right to marry a Man."

A "red pill" (lmfao at all of the DORKS who kiss up to these hags) woman is about to be married to the love of her life, and she's worried about...

the respect anonymous strangers pay her online!

This is a fucking soap opera - which is what always happens when you bring women into a boys club.

Kate will be fucking around on poor Mark Winter in no time at all. She'll probably be sucking the dick of some guy she meets on a manosphere blog - you know, one of those men who will respect her for standing by her man after mommy and daddy made her go see a shrink.

What a joke!
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I agree that marriage only makes sense as a religious institution. They have more of a reason to keep hypergamy under-control and its shamed in more religious communities. They also tend to frown on frivolous divorces. And the man is still seen as head of the house. Outside of religion Domestic violence considers any sort of behavior that would be a result of man being head of house as abuse. Dalrock covers the DV issue in more depth here.

http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2013/07/24/...lly-about/

I read recently that there was no reason for the family court to grant to even get 50% custody due to how the court was payed.

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2013/07/12/...l-custody/
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Classic human psychology 101:

1) Never trust those who spout dogmatic beliefs.

2) Always look at peoples actions, not words. That´s Roosh´s "genius", he let his identity be public and provided plenty of evidence that he eats and breathes his "teachings".

3) Any type of "fame" will give you groupies - he is marrying a groupie. But once he has married her, he can no longer be a "prominent" writer in the manosphere, the irony is too great for him to be taken seriously. Then his "fame" will fade (people in comment fields will cease to refer to his writings and his person in a positive light, and thus his wive´s attraction for him will dwindle).

4) Old dogs do not learn new tricks, unless they never stopped learning new tricks.

5) Hypocrisy will never go out of fashion.

Did I miss any other big ones?
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I just gave Mark Minter props yesterday morning in another thread, only to wake up to this.

To say that I'm shell-shocked would be understating it.

I don't think many of you realize how negatively important this is.

Seeing one of the biggest pillars of the dark manosphere self-destruct voluntarily is incredibly repulsive.

In the manosphere's early history books Mark Minter's name will now forever be associated with fraud. The guy took a dump on everything he has learned in his 58 years on this earth. And pissed on everything he supposedly stood for in his divorced life. All that for an officially-sanctioned state-sponsored union with a second-hand internet slut who is about to hit a wall while handing in another man's child to this old cuckold to raise. That would be really funny if it wasn't so fucked up.

As horrible as that act is, the biggest insult is in the ego-driven rationale he has given for it:

"Top that motherfuckers!" taunts Mark Minter the manosphere community where he has found nothing but love, support and understanding audience in his darkest, loneliest days.

This is from an internet swordsman who was self-reportedly a sworn archenemy of the institution of marriage. Someone who has guided other men with his unsolicited diatribes as much as he sought support from that same community of men. Only to turn around with "top that motherfuckers!" the minute he was comfortable enough to believe some used internet broken female fairy who pinky-promised to submit and commit to his ego.

This is disgusting also because the one thing that separates us/men from women is the principle of our beliefs. Women are whores because they have no concept of ‘self’. Men are different from women in that once we believe in something, once we have that steadfast, unwavering faith we will never break that promise, that commitment, that belief. The real men are like bulldog locking its jaw unto a victim. The true men of history, the Jesuses, the Genghis Khans, the Hitlers, the Gandhis, the Che Guevara’s of this world, all died for their beliefs and principles (even if those beliefs were fucked up), rather than let go of them.

And now we have Mark Minter.

The first internet groupie who wiggled her tail in his direction wins him over.

A man instantly vaporized.

It’s that easy with men who are not real men.

Let that be a lesson to careless fools.

In hindsight Mark Minter’s change of heart comes as no surprise at all. Any amateur psychologist will tell you that a person who calls himself "narcissistic and Machiavellian" (like Mark has called himself) has an inherent capability to completely change his tune on a dime. But the way Mark Minter's ego has rationalized it ("top that motherfuckers!") is in really poor taste and is the biggest slap in the face to all real men in the manosphere. We all know that the weak-willed men will do anything for a pussy, including selling out their brothers for it. That's exactly why the phrase 'bros before hoes' was coined. But to have this guy who was supposedly a walking, breathing epitome of that maxim turn around and with straight face tell us: 'was just fucking with you, it was hoes before bros all along' - is actually a temporary defeat for the manosphere. The manosphere can not afford to have its biggest anti-marriage spokesman run off to get married the first chance he gets. Because it leaves the system looking like a joke. I see this and I know that his shallow, self-serving 'do as I say, not as I do' example will more than likely lead other doubting men to eventually go on that same certifiably wrong path.

Which actually may be a blessing in disguise. Why should the manosphere even care about pussy-whipped quote unquote men. Let's separate the wheat from the chaff. So, fuck Mark Minter! Fuck all weaklings! Fuck all men who ask "how high?" when the first woman orders them to jump! Fuck all the ignorant, narcissistic, dumb men who think they are somehow exempted from the universal rules! Fuck all the intelligent Machiavellian betas who are lividly jealous because they naturally don't have what it takes to be an alpha, so they study and mimic the alpha traits in order to come closer to the objects of their worship only to revert to their old ways as soon as they con what they think is the big prize. Fuck all the liars in the manosphere! I say we declare the war on all the phonies in our midst! I say the manosphere needs to be purged off its various assorted pretenders, parasites, keyboard jockeys and all the sly, the slick, and the wicked snake oil salesmen that have infiltrated its domains.

The manosphere needs to self-regulate itself for the greater good of the greater man.

It's about time.

From the ashes of the old, maliciously dishonest, full-of-shit manosphere 1.0,

let us allow the new dawn to rise.
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Wish the best for the guy, but I think this will end poorly. Hes basically in the "rebound" stage after divorces.

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read some of these posts...then i get bored....

we are only human, all-too-human.....

i will finish that with:

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that is for everybody: me, you, and mark minter or any of your "heroes".

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(07-26-2013 11:43 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  Dude's 58 years old. Who wants to be living the life of a bachelor when you're 70?

Look at it this way: at 70, you can always date 50 to 60-year-olds or hire whores. But you'll NEVER be able to rebuild your life financially, which is what I had to do after my divorce.

He's got a point there. I've never been married, and never acquired real estate or significant money. I only have a small subsistence income from an irrevocable trust which can only realistically be taken away for child support.

There is nothing financially to rebuild for me. Which for most people would be bad, but all I care about is playing the guitar, riding bicycles, and making out with girls, none of which are very expensive as long as you're willing to live in the Philippines.

To paraphrase, I spent all my money taking time off, traveling around, buying guitars, and chasing women. The rest I foolishly wasted.

Unless you're some genius that cures cancer or writes the Declaration of Independence, none of it matters, we simply disappear. In 100, 200 years, it's exactly as if we were never here. Imagine a peasant farmer or barber in ancient Rome. No one knows of him now, if he existed. It's freeing not being great.
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I find as I age, I value the company of a cool woman more than just sex. Lord knows I still love sex, but I'm wiser now to consider all 24 hours of the day, rather than just the 5 seconds that bubbly tide is making its way down my veiny man-snake. I'm 48. When I was in my 20s-30s, I was mainly focused on my orgasms and finding a lot of girls to bring them to fruition. Now, I am happier spending time with a girl whom I have a connection with. Put another way, as I age I am much more interested in quality over quantity. And by quality, I mean the chemistry I have with a chick. I'd rather spend my time with a 7 who has a decent attitude and who laughs at my jokes and sneaks doggie-dinner-bowl looks at me in my car, that with a 9 with a bitchy attitude who is all "me, me, me."

Yes, I am leery of marriage and all it's traps, but I am not willing to make a dogmatic pronouncement that NO girl is worth marrying and that I will NEVER marry. Let's just say I set the bar high for marriage material, but am not inflexible. But for now, being a serial whore makes me happy.

Most of you young pump-n-dump whippersnappers will probably evolve the same way as you age.
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@bacan - you can find some of Mark's best writing here:

http://www.returnofkings.com/319/who-is-mark-minter

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-16629.html

And this is my favourite quote by him:

"Being happy is fucking easy. All you have to do to be happy is not be unhappy. I can’t really tell you how to be happy but I can fucking tell you how to be unhappy. Have a 55 year old wife. That’s how."
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(07-27-2013 12:47 PM)Dusty Wrote:  I find as I age, I value the company of a cool woman more than just sex. Lord knows I still love sex, but I'm wiser now to consider all 24 hours of the day, rather than just the 5 seconds that bubbly tide is making its way down my veiny man-snake. I'm 48. When I was in my 20s-30s, I was mainly focused on my orgasms and finding a lot of girls to bring them to fruition. Now, I am happier spending time with a girl whom I have a connection with. Put another way, as I age I am much more interested in quality over quantity. And by quality, I mean the chemistry I have with a chick. I'd rather spend my time with a 7 who has a decent attitude and who laughs at my jokes and sneaks doggie-dinner-bowl looks at me in my car, that with a 9 with a bitchy attitude who is all "me, me, me."

Yes, I am leery of marriage and all it's traps, but I am not willing to make a dogmatic pronouncement that NO girl is worth marrying and that I will NEVER marry. Let's just say I set the bar high for marriage material, but am not inflexible. But for now, being a serial whore makes me happy.

Most of you young pump-n-dump whippersnappers will probably evolve the same way as you age.

for sure and this is mature and reasonable.

the reason people have a problem with this from minter is that he turned on a dime. stopped cold. 180. went from being the loudest mouth in a sea of screamers to the biggest hypocrite out there.

i always thought he was an idiot, you could just tell from his writing that he was early stages post divorce recovery and that he himself had fucked up his life. all the problems he every outlined in his ramblings were due to his shocking beta-tude. and i say shocking because it was even more drastic than the run of the mill beta shit

he got picked up by a few bloggers as being relevant and now here we are

he's an idiot hypocrite
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RE: Mark Minter is getting married?
Mark Minter trolled the Manosphere. Well played Sir.

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RE: Mark Minter is getting married?
To put into perspective why I'm so incensed read below

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In Mark Minter's words:

"I deserve to have my comment called a “disatribe”. It does contain that ranting bitterness that most women in the blogosphere dismiss as the vitriolic rambling of the male divorcee. I agree that if you want to have children that a dual parent household is the best environment. But you do not have the say over whether that will happen. Men are just “Dancing Monkeys” for women and almost every activity that a typical young man does is to prepare himself to be chosen by a woman and then to lay his offering at the feet of the goddess and she accepts or rejects him and his efforts. And there is little that he can do about it. Think of all the shit that a young boy has to go through to prepare to get “chosen”. It starts effectively at 14. You could almost honestly say that if a boy fails Algebra II and certainly Algebra I, has effectively filtered himself out of having a successful marriage by 2012 standards. That’s a harsh thing to say, but I base that on divorce statistics and how the upper levels of income have divorce rates that are more like the 50s. And in western society, the common ingredient of economic success is educational attainment. And men start down this path of study and work, and even then, in the sexual marketplace they can be discarded despite the work, despite the effort. Take a modern dating coach. His efforts with men are to teach them to eliminate behaviors and mannerisms that women use to reject him. Despite what he is on paper, his degrees, his income, the possibility that he might offer a woman, he is rejected often for the most trivial bullshit and the big picture of who he and what he offers is irrelevant. A female commenter above stated “I s* test because I want to know that he will protect me.” and my reaction is “From what? Lady, there aren’t any Sabre Tooth Tigers anymore. The shit you need to be protected from is a bill collector, homelessness, lack of esteem from lacking in financial capacity, sacrifices your kids will make from lack of resources and this guy is perfectly capable of protecting you from that.” Yet women will toss men aside for the most nothing reasons. It is stated that women will reject 80% of men and I think that number is far higher. Now take the work the dating coach does with women. He has to teach them not to be so picky, to literally look for a reason to be attracted to a man. Here is a woman that economically and socially is beneath the man she is judging and yet she can find any number of reasons to justify rejecting him. She is constantly picking at him, pushing him, judging him, rejecting him. There was a famous Seinfeld episode where a woman was dumping Jerry after seeing his stand up act. She had been a pest all through her existence on the show and now she was dumping him. She said “I just can’t be with a man if I don’t respect what he does.” And Jerry replied “You work at a FotoMat!!” And this doesn’t end with getting married. If anything, it intensifies. You continually go through fitness testing and what the work of Rollo and other writers like is to expose how and why that it happens. And when a woman deems you unfit by whatever criteria she wishes to employ, be it income, dick size, mannerisms, whether you toss and turn in the bed at night, whether your political beliefs fit what she deems a proper parent should be, religion or any 700,000 things that she and she alone deems are grounds for disqualification. When she pushes you out and sicks the dogs of the legal system and the divorce industry on you, then your life set into an inflexible slavery that you cannot shake. The next thing I am going to say is extremely controversial. Marriage is so Second Wave. And it is over. This opinion comes from an intellectual analysis. It is like Network TV. There will still people that do it and want it but it will no longer be the dominant form of social organization. It will die a slow death over a couple of generations and men don’t realize that this is true will get run over. Margaret Mead said “Motherhood is a biological reality; Fatherhood is a social invention”. A lot of the other stuff she said about culture determining behavior should be thrown out, but this one sticks with me. Men are not naturally predisposed to be fathers. And that role is entirely defined by social conditioning. If you never had children, you will never miss that you didn’t. The Male Social Matrix does not have Fatherhood as a measure of your worth. Your accomplishments, you talents, your personality, you, who you are, give you your worth among men. And I say there is a better way for a man to spend his life than as a father and as a husband. That fatherhood role may be beneficial to greater society but it is a perfect waste of a life for a man. I say this as someone that has been married for 17 years and has two kids. That husband/father role was about 10 years of my 57 years. There are some significant memories I had from that time. But there are other memories from before and after that are just as significant to me as those from that father/husband time. And, all in all, that was a lonely and a stupid time in my life. I busted my ass for those people and now that I am divorced, I don’t even get birthday cards. Not one of those kids ever spent a day in day care, I paid out the ass for nannies. I drove the shit car so my wife and kids could ride in new cars and have that nanny. I lived in a stupid, insipid, boring ass suburb where the neighbors would complain if you left your garage door open because it didn’t look good. I was beneath the dogs in getting my desires and needs meet. And even to them I was secondary. At night when everyone was up in bed, the dog would start to head upstairs and leave me alone. It was just like the Richard Pryor line “Rich, you cool and all that. But you are little tardy with the chow so I’m heading upstairs”. And then it all got ripped away from me. And jobs and economics took me out the city where they lived to somewhere else. And I started to change. I was a high tech IT worker because it was the way to make the most money and when I chose jobs that was the first filter, that money. Cube life. Corporate headquarters. Meetings. Diversity training. Sexual harassment seminars. Political correctness. Boredom. Office politics. Every now and then I got a respite working in a start up that was more of the male sandbox and less of the female swing set but then the enterprise would go public and the women would come in and the whole thing was turn into something else, something worse. I was pissed and angry all the fucking time between how I got treated at home and forcing a square peg personality into the round hole of major corporation life. I needed anti-depressants. I needed Viagra. I needed Xanax to sleep. So now I am not that guy. And I no longer am a husband and a father. And when I look back on all that shit, I think just how stupid it all was and how there has to be a better way for a man to live his life. I don’t really do much right now but what I do is what I want to do and I make no sacrifices to anyone in doing it. And I don’t need anti-depressants or Xanax. The biggest deal was to be 10 years older, 57 years old, and to no longer need Viagra and return to having erections as hard and as long as when I was 30. Explain that. If you still think that being a husband and a father is the ideal way that a man should spend his life then you have only taken half a dose of the Red Pill. I’ll admit I suffer from the Dark Triad of personality attributes, narcissism, psychopathic tendencies, Machiavellian attitudes and am prone to selfishness. But it is obvious to me, especially now after months and months of huge amounts of reading Red Pill essays, that the gender role played by American Men, particularly as a father and as a husband is pure sucker play. I’ve seen both the good sides and the very dark sides of it. You have been conditioned (read ‘duped’) to think that it is what you should do. If you truly unplug, then that belief has to go. And a lot of my attitude that it should be avoided is not based on how it was, but more so on how it is going to be. I posed a question in a comment on this blog about how Rollo thought it was going to be 10 years, 20 years from now. Roosh answered my question. It is going to suck. The tendencies of options, choice addiction, bitchiness, flakiness, and superhyper hyergamy are going to get worse. When I read the writings of women on the internet and the main stream media, I realize just how far apart we are, how dismissive they are of the chorus of angry men as bitter losers, betas who can’t get laid or bitter divorced men who deserved what they got. They are not changing to suit men and what men want. Look at that tweet from Hugo Mangina that is so dismissive of Rollo and what he writes no matter how cogent, how academic, it is to us. And I think Roosh is the young guy who has his ass in the grass and he speaks with and interacts with thousands of women. You can say what you want about him but he is the product of his generation and I think he has the grip on the reality of how things are and how they are going to be. And his opinion of women, both foreign and domestic is that you are a fool to invest your life in them. Roosh had this one post where he was saying that MRM is dead. He said he could care less. MRAs screamed about the abuses of women in marriage and in divorce and it didn’t affect him because he was not marrying an American woman. MRAs screamed about custody issues, child support and alimony injustices and it didn’t affect him because he wasn’t having children. And that is it in a nutshell. You can’t change what has happened nor what is going to happen. You can only accept it and plan your life accordingly based on reality and logic. And I will say this over and over. We are in a new epoch of social organization. There is no going back. There is no cure, no magic bullet that will turn back gender relations to 1968. The world is going to evolve to some other form of social organization other than one that is based on the family, the nuclear family. And I, for one, look forward to it. I do not wish to return to 1955. I like the freedom I have in 2012 far more than the slavery I had in 1992 and 2002. Imagine the flexibility I would have at this time if I had totally eschewed women and saved the money they cost me. I wish I had the attitude I have today towards them, one of scorn, of disdain, of dismissal, of “amused mastery”. Women, for so long, were this mirror that I used to judge myself, how they viewed me, how they accepted or rejected was so instrumental of my self-esteem and in the determination of my actions. So now I say fuck them. Stop living for them and live for yourself. Women should be a fucking hobby and not the central focus of your life. There is no “One”. There is no soulmate. One is as good as another. None are worth sacrificing for, none are even worth your time more than to convince them to fuck you. They will never love you as you love them. Their love is opportunistic and conditional. And most of all, it is temporary until that better deal comes along. She will leave you bleeding on the side of the road if suits her hypergamy. If the next woman isn’t better than the one you left, then the one after that will be. They are all the same under the hood. The only reason you think you value them is that you have fallen for the scarcity model. Sound familiar? I read every sentence of this paragraph on this blog. And these statements now my new marching orders. My new General Orders. This is 2012 and like it or not, we are marching into the Brave New World. The PostModern is here, the Third Wave is here. If you try to stand with your feet placed in the Modern era or in the Second Wave, you are going to get run over. New forms of social organization are occurring right now. My Republican sister was bitching about how President Obama should be at the UN because Arab Prime Ministers wanted to meet with him over the embassy issues and he was on “The View”. I said “Fuck those Prime Ministers. They don’t vote for him. He has a 25 point lead with women in Ohio. Those guys don’t tell an American President how to set his agenda. Voters do. Female voters.” Since becoming Red Pill aware, I see this election as a gender based election, the first of many to come. All those old white men are going to start dying and that old Republican platform is going to die with them. And it will be replaced with a platform that tries to stem the advance of The Female Imperative and it will lose, just like it will lose this time. So get a clue, women are looking for a new economic order to replace men as the economic resource in their lives. So you need replace them as your center of focus. If you block them from placing the chains on you that they wish to impose, then their agenda will have little affect on the immediate reality of your personal life. If you never marry and have children then you will never be subject to a litany of shit. Yes, you will have to deal with the workplace reality of them and the economic ramifications of the new social order that they construct. But if you don’t have a wife and kids then you can be so much more flexible in how you can deal with it. And if you do reject marriage, then you will know freedom and flexibility in way that no men that came before us ever knew. It is useless to try to find a way to make marriage work, to turn back the clock to some era when men were dominant, were family leaders, and honestly you have no idea if that time really ever existed. My dad was alpha and my mom and him jammed because he was. Maybe my paternal grandfather was the leader, but I am sure that was specific to who he married more than it was that it was institutional. My maternal grandfather surely wasn’t in control of his house. My maternal grandmother was dominant alpha bitch in that house. And my mother was her daughter. I feel that those times were just a different version of The Female Imperative that worked for women then but is no longer necessary now. So yeah, there is a remnant of anger in my posts and a lot could be called a diatribe. But there is more intellectual analysis than my language might lead you to believe. My rejection of marriage is based on what I believe will come as well as in my own experience of it. Adam lived in Garden of Eden until that bitch Eve came along. To me, the apple is a metaphor for marriage and children. Adam didn’t have a PlayStation3 or the internet so he ate the apple to avoid being alone. He didn’t have 48% of women 25-30 or 28% of women 30-35 with a status of “Never Been Married”. He didn’t have the wide variety of sluts available to him. All he had was that bitch Eve. You have a lot more options than he did. Fuck eating apples and fuck being married to women. The Third Wave Man has a far better future ahead of him then being Ken to some hypergamistic Barbie. I have gone beyond being angry at women and at divorce. Now I am happy that it happened to me and I look forward to variety that is available to me in my life now that those chains have been removed from me. Your angst that most of you feel is in your mind and is based on what happened to you or on the loss of what was. Many of you feel powerless against modern women in their pursuit of hypergamy and their sexual manipulation of you. Let go of it and go forward as a free man. Concentrate on the postings that enhance your Game and not on those postings that indict women or feminism. It is a waste of effort. It like standing it the beach and arguing with the tide. Game is not only dominance cues and pickup tactics. It a belief structure that supplants much of what you have held before. Including Marriage and Fatherhood. It encompasses the truth about law, science, society, women, relationships, biology, anthropology and should be setting right at the forefront of your paradigm of belief structures even in the front of concepts like Capitalism and Democracy. That you even wrestle with the concept that Game might be functional in marriage and what is alpha this and beta that just shows that you have not accepted reality for what it is. Let go. Let the transformation come over you and when it is done, you will be happier.

I don’t even have to read the comments. All of you have it wrong. Abso-fucking-lutely wrong. You are all crying and bitching and wanting to set back the clock and you need to get the fuck over it. Better that government is married to bitches than you. Let me go through this logic for you real fucking slow so that you all can start to get it. Being married is a stupid life for a man. Actually being a father is also stupid life for a man the way it is done in America today. You do the most stupid and mind numbing shit in both of those roles. There are better ways to spend your life than as a husband and a father in 2012 America. Being a married father is an insipid, mind numbing, idiotic existence. You are a slave. You live in a rigid schedule with a bitch that is never happy, that never has enough, is never satisfied, that is a cunt and a fucking idiot. She gets fat. She dresses like a man. Sex with her is a drag monotonous drag boring drag stupid drag. You have never ending stress and financial pressure and you must compromise your very soul in order to bring home the money that parasitic bitch and children demand from you. And they could not give a fuck about you. Everything is oriented towards her and them. Nothing is oriented towards you. Women have acres and acres of products for them and their children. Men have an aisle of shit over in the corner of stores. Given the way women are, and the way most of you are, your odds of being in a marriage forever and not getting a divorce is about zilch.point.shit. 0.0000%. Enough zeros? Any of you that are married are probably on the way to divorce if you are not divorced already. Any of you that do get married surely will be divorced. A man must avoid marriage, whether you are alpha as fuck or beta as a hell. If you are an alpha then marriage is perfect waste of what you are. All alphas, real alphas, chafe under the yoke of marriage. They cannot be monogamous and why should they be? And, once you say “I do”, then you begin a slow march towards to loss of alpha qualities. If you think you can read Athol Kay and avoid this, you are kidding yourself. If you are beta, then you will get fucked over in a marriage. Unless you earn in the top 20% of income, or in reality, the top 10% and your wife is not so attractive that she doesn’t has men throwing offers at her, then you will most likely get shafted. This outcome is one of the most written about topics in the Red Pill blogs. Men must learn game. What is so fucking hard about this idea? Men need to accept that the way the world is and the way it is going makes learning Game the most important skill that any man can have, more than calculus, than computer skills, than knowledge of tools. Game. Get it? Game. The reason for game is more than pick up lines, it is about avoiding OneItis. Game is a lifestyle that will save your ass and save you needless slavery and pain. Things are going to get worse in the future. Nothing can set back the clock. Women will get bitchier. Women will get fatter. In 30 years, 50% of women will be fucking obese. Not fat. OfuckingBese beasts. What few women that are attractive are going to get even shittier, flakier, bitchier, more choice addicted, bigger attention whores than even today. To fuck any of them you will have to have game. They will be besieged by hordes of men from 16 to 60. This reality of the social and sexual power that single women have is trickling down through women to girls. Yesterday there was a big press release about the drop in teen pregnancy, as well as a drop in every other age bracket other than bitches that are running up against the wall., 35+ Analysts were surprised that even teen pregnancy dropped. They rationalized that the other drops in births in age brackets other than teens were due to economic reasons, but teen pregnancy is by accident and inadvertent. But for whatever reason, teen girls are going to lengths to insure they don’t get pregnant and fuck up the next 20 years of being “Classy and Fabulous” and short circuiting the brilliant career of attention whoring in front of them. They are getting a clue of the power of that pussy. The word is passing down that there is a real up side to being an attention whore. And having a baby is the biggest downer in that possibility more than any other factor. There is chemical tendency in your fucking male body towards development of dopamine when you fuck a woman. She is like heroin and she will addict you and give you OneItis. This is another of the big Red Pill tenets, maybe the most important of all of them. The scarcity model creates OneItis in you. The only way to vaccinate yourself from OneItis is FourItis. If you have 4 women in a soft harem and you are spinning plates then you can walk away from a women when she tries to put that choke hold on you and drag you into the slavery of marriage. Any plain looking woman with a pussy that isn’t an obese pig or over 45 is going to be able to throw her husband away and have some other guy there ready to jump right in there. Your wife is going have men sabotaging you at work, at the gym, anywhere she goes. No matter how much Athol Kay you read, eventually all this back-stabbing and offers from other men and women is going to take its toll. You will get divorce raped if you are stupid enough to marry. You cannot marry. You have to spin plates. It will be enormously easier to have bitches to spin as plates if all of them are not married. It is better for you if every fucking woman is single and is a slut than it would be if almost all were married. It will be so much easier for you to spin plates if there are plates to be spun. Even if that women sits home 29 nights a month, that 1 night that she steps out to shake that ass, then she is looking for dick and the motherfucker with game is the one that is going to be the one she chooses. You cannot worry about “society” or “the economy” or “the future” or “the deficit” or the “growth of entitlements”. You need to worry about you. You. You. Fuck everything else. Fuck tomorrow. Fuck the deficit. Fuck the Republicans. Fuck the economy. Do what is best for you. And appreciate that by letting those bitches get what they want from government and not marrying, then that works in your favor, you, your favor, you, the typical reader of this blog. Go back to the original narrative about where “Alpha” came from, the Toba eruption that lead to 1000 years of Arctic winter and the number of bonding pairs reduced to less than 1000 over the whole world. Alpha had the Dark Triad of personality traits and this enabled him to survive, to get through, and women went with him because he was a survivor. You have to have that same selfish self-interest. You can’t worry about what’s best for kids, or bankers, or job growth, or household formation, or any of that shit. Worry about you. You cannot worry about the deficit or free markets or any economic shit that might come about because more and more benefits are given out to women in substitution of husbands. It won’t fall apart today and when it does fall apart you will be dead. If you are truly as narcissistic and as Machiavellian as you should be then you should not use any other filter than is a thing good for you. Feminism is good for you. It is freeing you from the stupidity of being some bitch’s husband. You get to live as a free man. It allows women to stay single so you can fuck them. Whatever negatives it has brought into society is trivial compared to the benefit of you not marrying anymore. You need to be happy that it is happening. Even if it raises your taxes by 10%, or even 20%, it is still better than being married. If you marry, that bitch will take 80% from you while you are married and then take 40% in child support when she divorces you. If you marry, you are a slave. It is said that marriage is the last resort of a bachelor. It is also said that a man marries because he is tired. Tired of dating. Tired of the bullshit the AFC goes through. Think back to 1985. When a man got to be 28 and just entering into his peak in SMV then he starts receiving “Marriage signals”. His friends start dropping off into marriage, one at a time. Women that he is with start pressuring him. They would dump him if he didn’t agree to commit to marriage. When a guy was 35 and wasn’t married then he was effectively alone in a world of married people. It’s not that way anymore. Dalrock is adamant that women are the ones eschewing marriage and not men. So every woman that decides not to marry, then that is one more man that gets to live free, free of the financial tyranny, free of the emotional bullshit, free of the monotony and the boredom, free of the abuse that women heap on men during marriage. The more men that are single then that begins to create market opportunities for men, more things that single men like, more clubs, more video games, more topless bars, more cars and products designed specifically for men, more housing options for single men. Options That are intended for only Single men and not married men that are making decisions with the filter of having a wife and family as the determining factor in their decisions. I’ll give a very stretched connection. I have no data to support it other Event A happened and Event B happened. But I feel they are related. The number of women that have the US government census status of “Never Been Married” has increased by 33% since 2000. 48% of women 25-30 have this status today, an increase of 16 percentage points since 2000 from 32% to 48%. For every one of those women that are not married, there is a man that is not married. So that means that the number of men that have “Never Been Married” has increased also. They are referred to as the Puearchy. It has grown considerably and is attracting the attention of pundits with this “Man Up” shaming bullshit. Now, look at the growth in the amount of college football today compared to 2000. There is much more. Look at the size of the TV contracts that have recently been signed. Do you fucking think married men are sitting around watching college football all day on Saturday? No, those guys are being dragged around malls, kids sports and kids social events. But if you are single, this development is a fucking bonanza for you. I read an article the other on how new Marketing strategies are emerging to actually tap this emerging market. Prior advertising oriented to men had some shaming factor in it. You should buy life insurance so your wife can have money when you die. You should buy our tires to keep from killing your kids. You should drink our beer, wear our clothes, our cologne so that women will want you. Some advertising is now actually appealing to motives that their product directly benefits you, the single man. More unmarried men means a better life and more options for unmarried men. Real choices that are for you and not choices that you would make in sacrifice for some woman and her children. More of your friends stay unmarried. You have more options now. So to sum, marriage is not for you, you, particularly, as a reader of this blog. You need to spin plates. You need women to avoid marriage because government allows them to feel the sense of security that they need to stay single. You want more men to be single and not get married so you have better and more market opportunities available that are designed for you, the single man. You want more women to be single and to be sluts. Because the more single women sluts there are, then more options for plate spinning that you have available to you. The more plates you spin, the less susceptible to Oneitis you are, and the more you avoid marriage. If you don’t marry then the effects of feminism, of divorce rape, of custody battles will have less effect on you. If there are more available single sluts then you get more pussy. It is in your benefit if no woman ever ever wants to marry ever again. You need to embrace feminism and stop throwing rocks at it. OK, changes have occurred. I have been run over by many of them as much as anybody. Work in corporations suck now. They have fucked up a lot of shit for men. But the big picture is that they are freeing men from a truly stupid life and allowing them to live free in a meaningful form. I don’t have to work a soul busting corporate job anymore to pay for some bitch that took 80% of the money that I made to spend on horseshit. I don’t have to sit in a fucking cube anymore surrounded by dweebs. I don’t have to sit in boring meetings and listen to bitches drone on. I do what I want. I eat what I want. I go where I want. I travel where I want. I work or don’t work when I want. I am now less lonely than I was because she went to sleep early and I was down in the living room watching the fucking stupid History Channel or reading one of 1000 books I read while I was married. I don’t have anyone looking over my shoulder at what I do, what I spend, where I go, who I talk to. I don’t have anyone whipping me, abusing me, screaming at me, manipulating me to do what she wants me to do. Because of feminism, I am fucking free. I am no longer a husband living that boring stupid life, and I no longer have to work in a stupid corporation to get the money to pay for the life that bitch constructed. I am no longer a slave. The reality is Women’s Liberation means Men’s Liberation. Let them go their fucking way. Let them be single moms. Let them work the stupid jobs that this economy is producing in those Femcentric companies. Better Obama is their husband than me. And you. The monetary price you would pay is worth the freedom that you will get. Stop fighting it and see it for what it is."
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RE: Mark Minter is getting married?
Think about this.

Kate has known about Minter's writings. She knew he'd get blowblack.

She didn't even love him enough to say, "Honey, let's keep this quiet at first. After we've been married for a while, we'll use this as a success story. But there's no reason we need to tell anyone right now."

Instead, she ran her fucking mouth off. She put herself first. She was just dying to tell everyone she got engaged.

It's a pretty funny look at what marriage means to an American woman. It's not about the man. It never is. It's about the woman's ego trip.

Right about now is where someone should insert that pic where the woman's ring is in the forefront and her fiance is in the backdrop, blurred out.
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RE: Mark Minter is getting married?
"I’ll admit I suffer from the Dark Triad of personality attributes, narcissism, psychopathic tendencies, Machiavellian attitudes and am prone to selfishness. "

he was projecting what he wished he was here



it wouldnt be a big deal if heartiste and rollo didnt get on his jock. they for some reason decided he was a commenter worth elevating to the status of rock star

reading, well, skimming what he wrote above just reinforced that he made bad choices and thus had a bad life.

think the mother of my kid doesnt fuck me exactly how i want to get fucked? its all up to him

and thats the greatest lesson the manosphere can give any of us:

ITS ALL ON YOU DUDE
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@MikeCF You beat me to it. Just before I got to the last sentence of your post I was thinking of that exact same picture.
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(07-27-2013 01:31 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  "I’ll admit I suffer from the Dark Triad of personality attributes, narcissism, psychopathic tendencies, Machiavellian attitudes and am prone to selfishness. "

he was projecting what he wished he was here

A lot of guys say that bullshit.

If you have the "dark triad," you don't need to tell people. It's obvious in the ethos of your writing.

Incidentally, being a sociopath isn't really that cool. It deprives you of the ability to develop deep relationships and ever feel love.

My brother is a legitimate psychopath - been diagnosed and like a true sociopath he's done considerable time.

He's basically miserable, he can't be happy because a lack of empathy seems to be bundled with poor impulse control.

For a true example of socipathy, see something like "in the company of men" and see if treating another human being like that hah-hah funny rather than sad and pathetic.
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