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Ritalin myth busted- Princeton study reveals the hurtful, nocive side of the pill
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archiv...ce/276894/

Quite scary.

People have for years, applauded the merits of this drug. I was wondering how the natural curiosity of children, how their inqusitive minds would function under the influences of a cognitive-neutering medicament, that is offered without requiring official diagnostical analysis and recommendation from the doctor, a reputed source. That means run-of the mill, basic psychologists convince parents to dull their child, with no facts backing their claims up, just because teachers complained about something in the child behavior.

No surprising to see that the rise of Ritalin consumption coincide perfectly with the gradual accumulation of feminist power and influence in our schools. A women-run education system will produce a feminized atmosphere coupled with strict, blind reverence of the ''pre-approved'' model, and unfortunately boys are the front line victims, as they suffer severe loss in cognitive ability, unable to reach their potential under optimal conditions.
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(08-09-2013 07:48 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Link is dead?

Works for me.

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(08-09-2013 08:01 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  
(08-09-2013 07:48 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Link is dead?

Works for me.

Now it works. I'm glad there is some kind of mainstream criticism of Ritalin going on. What a crock of shit it is giving speed to kids.

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(08-09-2013 08:05 PM)Samseau Wrote:  
(08-09-2013 08:01 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  
(08-09-2013 07:48 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Link is dead?

Works for me.

Now it works. I'm glad there is some kind of mainstream criticism of Ritalin going on. What a crock of shit it is giving speed to kids.

How this crap legalized while marijuana is outlawed nationwide, with severe consequences? But drugging kids and permanently alter the structure of their brain is fine.

Ritalin makes kids dull and lull. It allows mediocre teachers, most of them females, to teach their crap without any ''disturbance'', aka kids using their curiosity to know, and question things.

Big pharma, government and gross human incompetence are coordinating their efforts in order to make kids unthinking followers, mere entertainers, fuckups and cubicle drones.
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Ritalin makes kids into good cubicle drones. I'll pass.

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(08-09-2013 08:22 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  Ritalin makes kids into good cubicle drones. I'll pass.

And 'primes the pump' for a later addiction to a high value drug distributed by elites like the Bush family.

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Quote:ADHD children are typically taken off of Ritalin when they reach adulthood. Interestingly, these individuals seem to be more prone to cocaine addiction. Why is that? Because Ritalin and cocaine are similar drugs, it's possible that ADHD adults are unknowingly using cocaine as a replacement for Ritalin.
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I dated a chick who was trying to kick coke but decided she had ADHD and was trying to get an adderall prescription. Nutty broads. Same shit, different package.
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I'd love to get a Dexamphetamine prescription but I'd probably become wildly addicted to amphets pretty quickly
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(08-09-2013 09:15 PM)Ensam Wrote:  I dated a chick who was trying to kick coke but decided she had ADHD and was trying to get an adderall prescription. Nutty broads. Same shit, different package.

Doing coke or speed speeds up the "processing" or "framerate" of your brain(for lack of a better description). It gives you almost genius like powers temporarily. Freud used to do coke while he worked out a lot of his theories.

It affects your mood, inhibitions and short term memory. Girls don't remember half the shit they've done on coke. I've repeated things they've done or told while on coke and they were shocked.

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(08-09-2013 11:36 PM)Architekt Wrote:  I'd love to get a Dexamphetamine prescription but I'd probably become wildly addicted to amphets pretty quickly

Dex is the 'clean burning' version of Ritalin, laser focused and great stuff (for adults not kids).
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(08-09-2013 11:59 PM)PoosyWrecker Wrote:  
(08-09-2013 11:36 PM)Architekt Wrote:  I'd love to get a Dexamphetamine prescription but I'd probably become wildly addicted to amphets pretty quickly

Dex is the 'clean burning' version of Ritalin, laser focused and great stuff (for adults not kids).

Yeah I prefer it over Ritilin, Concerta, and actual amphetamines, much nicer on everything
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(08-09-2013 08:17 PM)Master Of My Own Kingdom Wrote:  
(08-09-2013 08:05 PM)Samseau Wrote:  
(08-09-2013 08:01 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  
(08-09-2013 07:48 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Link is dead?

Works for me.

Now it works. I'm glad there is some kind of mainstream criticism of Ritalin going on. What a crock of shit it is giving speed to kids.

How this crap legalized while marijuana is outlawed nationwide, with severe consequences? But drugging kids and permanently alter the structure of their brain is fine.

Ritalin makes kids dull and lull. It allows mediocre teachers, most of them females, to teach their crap without any ''disturbance'', aka kids using their curiosity to know, and question things.

Big pharma, government and gross human incompetence are coordinating their efforts in order to make kids unthinking followers, mere entertainers, fuckups and cubicle drones.

"How this crap legalized while marijuana is outlawed nationwide, with severe consequences? But drugging kids and permanently alter the structure of their brain is fine."

Because Big Pharma makes big profits from Ritalin sales. Also, from what I learned from my days as a reporter, school systems get extra federal dollars if they have enough kids on Ritalin. The diagnosis for it, ADHD, is recognized as a "handicap." I'm pretty sure Big Pharma's lobbyists were behind that.

When you profit from the cure, you have to create the disease. And, as always, follow the money.
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(08-09-2013 11:42 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  
(08-09-2013 09:15 PM)Ensam Wrote:  I dated a chick who was trying to kick coke but decided she had ADHD and was trying to get an adderall prescription. Nutty broads. Same shit, different package.

Doing coke or speed speeds up the "processing" or "framerate" of your brain(for lack of a better description). It gives you almost genius like powers temporarily. Freud used to do coke while he worked out a lot of his theories.

It affects your mood, inhibitions and short term memory. Girls don't remember half the shit they've done on coke. I've repeated things they've done or told while on coke and they were shocked.

That's interesting. I didn't know coke gave that much of a mental boost. I do know that speed is the drug of choice among academics. Quoth wikipedia re Erdos (one of the worlds most prolific mathematicians for those not in the know):
Quote:His colleague Alfréd Rényi said, "a mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems",[33] and Erdős drank copious quantities. (This quotation is often attributed incorrectly to Erdős,[34] but Erdős himself ascribed it to Rényi.[35]) After 1971 he also took amphetamines, despite the concern of his friends, one of whom (Ron Graham) bet him $500 that he could not stop taking the drug for a month.[36] Erdős won the bet, but complained that during his abstinence mathematics had been set back by a month: "Before, when I looked at a piece of blank paper my mind was filled with ideas. Now all I see is a blank piece of paper." After he won the bet, he promptly resumed his amphetamine use.
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(08-10-2013 02:45 AM)Ensam Wrote:  
(08-09-2013 11:42 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  
(08-09-2013 09:15 PM)Ensam Wrote:  I dated a chick who was trying to kick coke but decided she had ADHD and was trying to get an adderall prescription. Nutty broads. Same shit, different package.

Doing coke or speed speeds up the "processing" or "framerate" of your brain(for lack of a better description). It gives you almost genius like powers temporarily. Freud used to do coke while he worked out a lot of his theories.

It affects your mood, inhibitions and short term memory. Girls don't remember half the shit they've done on coke. I've repeated things they've done or told while on coke and they were shocked.

That's interesting. I didn't know coke gave that much of a mental boost. I do know that speed is the drug of choice among academics. Quoth wikipedia re Erdos (one of the worlds most prolific mathematicians for those not in the know):
Quote:His colleague Alfréd Rényi said, "a mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems",[33] and Erdős drank copious quantities. (This quotation is often attributed incorrectly to Erdős,[34] but Erdős himself ascribed it to Rényi.[35]) After 1971 he also took amphetamines, despite the concern of his friends, one of whom (Ron Graham) bet him $500 that he could not stop taking the drug for a month.[36] Erdős won the bet, but complained that during his abstinence mathematics had been set back by a month: "Before, when I looked at a piece of blank paper my mind was filled with ideas. Now all I see is a blank piece of paper." After he won the bet, he promptly resumed his amphetamine use.

Damn, that sounds like me and my Mary Jane use. Laugh Without this stuff I run out of ideas after awhile.

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I don't have any sources to back this up but I used to run in high end math circles and the word on the street was that Erdos spent any money he made doing math on drugs. He was essentially homeless and would travel around from town to town staying with whomever he thought he could write a paper with. The up and coming mathematicians got a paper with Erdos and Erdos got a place to crash. This gave rise to the concept of an 'Erdos number'. An Erdos number of 1 meant you'd published with Erdos. An erdos number of 2 meant you'd published something with someone who'd published with Erods, etc. Comparing Erdos numbers substitutes for dick size contests among mathematicians.
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Looks like my innocuous post didn't get approved by the Atlantic mods.

First off, putting a girl on the head picture for a drug that is far more prescribed to boys. AngryAngryAngry

That right there tells to which sex the sympathy runs to.

Second, what is Ritalin targeting? Misbehavior? Why are the students prescribed Ritalin acting out?

Like I said in the discarded post, our educational system only works when children have a healthy home life. When children have an unhealthy home life, they are nothing more than distractions for the crowd control that is public education.

Children, often boys, are acting out because of a lack of fathers and our increasingly female-centric society.

Quote:The effect was stronger for boys than for girls -- boys were also more likely to eventually drop out of school.

No fucking shit. Boys are more likely to drop out of society that places girls above boys?

ADHD may be a real diagnosis, but in reality, it is a diagnosis that issued to explain away the erosion of traditional society. Experts can invent all the phrases they want to explain away the immolation of the family in the US, but at the end of the day, they cannot explain away all the individual experiences children have.

Remember, it isn't about the diagnosed, but the parents of the diagnosed.

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I got prescribed this once in college. My dad thought I was on it but I never got the prescription. Now I'm even more glad I never took the stuff.

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Yeah, Paul Erdos was a pretty serious junkie. He once quit his amphetamines for a month to prove a point but ended up telling the guy he made the bet with - "Math has been set back exactly one month". One of my old professors has an erdos number of 3 I think, because that's where I heard the story from.
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My older brother took this stuff back when he was in 3rd or 4th grade. My parents noticed that he was acting like a zombie, so they popped a couple pills to see what it was like. They got high off of it and ended his treatment.
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Quote:Other idiosyncratic elements of Erdős's vocabulary include:[42]

Children were referred to as "epsilons" (because in mathematics, particularly calculus, an arbitrarily small positive quantity is commonly denoted by the Greek letter (ε))
Women were "bosses"
Men were "slaves"

People who stopped doing mathematics had "died"
People who physically died had "left"
Alcoholic drinks were "poison"
Music was "noise"
People who had married were "captured"
People who had divorced were "liberated"

To give a mathematical lecture was "to preach"
To give an oral exam to a student was "to torture" him/her.

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I live in a town where 25% of boys are on Ritalin. I talked to a couple other parents about it. This is what they said:

"My boy can do the homework when he's on Ritalin. So we decided to go with it"

Absolutely no medical necessity. They gave their kids speed just so they could could work faster. That was it. End of reasoning.

And the awful thing was, .these parents were otherwise totally nice, cool, dedicated, and loving to their kids. These were people I otherwise really respected.

I walked away from those conversations deeply disturbed. Not just that the school system is driving parents to drug their kids, but that otherwise intelligent parents seem to fall for it so easily.
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I was on it for a decade. Than adderall and concerta. Now straterra. Straterra seems to have the least effects but I would like to get off sometime if I can still focus. I
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I took Ritalin once on an SAT and it felt like my mind was on fire. My hand got cramped writing the essay. I never got my tests results back and I am convinced it is because they thought I was cheating.

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There was an article in Salon a few years ago by a writer who tried it to get over a block. His conclusion? He wrote a lot of shit, but it wasn't much good.l

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