Post: #76

(08-14-2013 07:41 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  when i've been dating four and five girls at a time, they all without fail are monogamous to me while i'm banging other chicks.

4 girls at the same time?



No one believes you. Were you watching them 24/7? Did you hack their email and facebook accounts? How do you know?

Post: #77

(08-14-2013 11:56 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 07:41 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  when i've been dating four and five girls at a time, they all without fail are monogamous to me while i'm banging other chicks.

4 girls at the same time?



No one believes you. Were you watching them 24/7? Did you hack their email and facebook accounts? How do you know?

Not to say he's lying, but generally, I always wonder how some guys seem to have 48 hour days while the rest just has 24 hours, judging by the amount of lays.. don't you people sleep?

Post: #78

(08-14-2013 11:56 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 07:41 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  when i've been dating four and five girls at a time, they all without fail are monogamous to me while i'm banging other chicks.

4 girls at the same time?



No one believes you. Were you watching them 24/7? Did you hack their email and facebook accounts? How do you know?

I wont ask for it, but valuable forum members here know me personally and could vouch but its not worth it.

yes four at a time. its easy. i'd see one mainly on the weekends and the other three during the week. i'd have girls come over in the evening and leave in the morning, have girls come over for lunch time fucks, and then have a date with another chick that night. three in one day happened a few times.

its not that hard.

the reason i know, is because you can just see it in their eyes when they are begging you to be monogamous with them, when they text you from dates they are on and then come to your house afterwards. or text you after dates and say it was horrible can i please come over and then they lament that it just didnt feel right because the guy just wasnt me.

i'm lucky, i have a very flexible work schedule and i work from home a lot. it definitely makes it easier. but i designed it that way.

there was bout two years where all i did was fuck chicks, work, and muay thai.

i dont know where you guys are finding all these girls that are liars, BPD, fat, iphone addicted, etc. girls i'm with never would be on their phone when i was around, ever. none of them used instagram and many of them barely used facebook.

hell, i bought one girl her very first smart phone in 2010!

my logistics are perfect, i'm right in the middle of the city. i rarely dated anyone that wasn't walking distance way, i lived alone in a great apartment and made time.

when you're the boss at work you can make time a lot more easily.

but the point is, sure could they have been lying to me? absolutely. but when you see the look in their eyes, the begging, the desperate desire for me to commit to them and their continued availability anytime i wanted it - you just start to put it all together. i mean, they would continue to date and tell me about the dates, when they were going out what the guy was like, what happened etc etc...usually laying in my bed after she got done with him.

its possible bro, just imagine it to be so!

Post: #79

(08-14-2013 12:01 PM)muc Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 11:56 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 07:41 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  when i've been dating four and five girls at a time, they all without fail are monogamous to me while i'm banging other chicks.

4 girls at the same time?



No one believes you. Were you watching them 24/7? Did you hack their email and facebook accounts? How do you know?

Not to say he's lying, but generally, I always wonder how some guys seem to have 48 hour days while the rest just has 24 hours, judging by the amount of lays.. don't you people sleep?

morning, nooners, evening. three separate time periods.

flexible work schedule really helps. which i have.

Post: #80

(08-14-2013 12:46 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  morning, nooners, evening. three separate time periods.

flexible work schedule really helps. which i have.

Yeah, not sure why people are questioning it being possible. Unlikely, maybe, but impossible? Not even close. I have a shitty work schedule but good logistics and I had three girls exclusive to me at the height of my soft harem. One lived walking distance away and worked a lot, the other lived with her parents and was working + studying to get her CPA so she'd come by after the library closed on her way home, and the third was really busy as well but would meet me for lunch and then sometimes evenings. Maybe these girls were just boring but they weren't fucking anyone else, they were too concerned with whether they were the only girl I was fucking (trying to please me).

Post: #81

I have 1 girl who work 6 days/week. Shes a tall, rich, Asian girl who comes from a wealthy family. She has told me many times that she thinks its funny when "scrubs" step to her. Shes told me most guys are scared to talk to her. Def. her only dude.

Another girl who goes to a 4-year state school here. All her guy friends in school mack on her, but shes an "old soul". She finds mature guys more attractive. Wtvr the f that means. Which is extra funny considering I am in my 20s. She has limited exposure to bang other dudes and really likes me.

In SF, I had a girl who used to date other guys for periods of 3-4 months and wouldnt bang them (she wanted to get married). I was her only fbuddy. Shy, cute asian girl.

I have assorted others ones who I see on and off basis, but I doubt they are exclusive.

Post: #82

(08-14-2013 12:44 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  hell, i bought one girl her very first smart phone in 2010!

Is this in America? Where do you live?

And how old were these chicks?

Post: #83

(08-14-2013 02:05 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 12:44 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  hell, i bought one girl her very first smart phone in 2010!

Is this in America? Where do you live?

And how old were these chicks?

Washington DC bro.

chicks were 24-33 or so. This girl who I bought the smart phone in 2010 for was a lawyer who worked at DOJ and went to GWU Law. She was no hick, she just liked her flip phone. Bought her a HTC for like $99.

Post: #84

I find it quite believable that a guy skilled with women can bang 4-5 regularly over a period of some months. It's not easy at all, but it's doable.

The part I have a problem with is the belief that all these women are going to be monogamous.

Quote:The reason i know, is because you can just see it in their eyes when they are begging you to be monogamous with them, when they text you from dates they are on and then come to your house afterwards. or text you after dates and say it was horrible can i please come over and then they lament that it just didnt feel right because the guy just wasnt me.

****

but the point is, sure could they have been lying to me? absolutely. but when you see the look in their eyes, the begging, the desperate desire for me to commit to them and their continued availability anytime i wanted it - you just start to put it all together. i mean, they would continue to date and tell me about the dates, when they were going out what the guy was like, what happened etc etc...usually laying in my bed after she got done with him.

Chicks are amazing actresses when it comes to sexual deception; they are just born with that ability because it's part of the female reproductive strategy. I'm sure a lot of guys here have had the experience of being on a date with a girl or being in bed with her, and she answers a text or a call with a complete lie about where she, is, who she's with, and what she's doing.

Here's a story a friend of mine told me recently. He's in his early 20s and a captain of a little excursion boat that takes tourists out and rides them along off the beach and lets them see the dolphins and other local points of interest. One day, a woman in her early 30's gets on with her two kids about 8-10 years old. She's being very flirty with him. As they were disembarking he got her number. He called her later that day and they agreed to meet a the beach. He brought along a six pack and they walked into the dunes to a secluded spot and started banging.

She was on top riding him hard when her phone went off, she picked it up and answered, it was her kid and the conversation went like this:"Alright sweetie are you doing ok?" Listened for a while. "That's good, I'll be back at the condo in about an hour, ok, bye". During this, she never missed a stroke. Yeah it was a kid but you think she couldn't fool boyfriend or husband the same way- of course she could, and so could almost any other woman, they are very skilled liars

Post: #85

I feel like the guys who look through girls phones, are the guys that are more likely to find out that the girl they're seeing is banging another guy(s). Why? Because the fact that they are checking the girls phone shows insecurities. Despite the girl not knowing whether or not they checked her phone, their insecurity will manifest itself in other ways. If you feel the need to check a girl's phone, you're doing it wrong.

Most girls will probably be seeing several guys at the same time when you meet them, but if you're the type of guy that reaper23 describes, they will want to be monogamous with you after some time. In fact, they will probably assume you are seeing multiple girls at once and because of that will look to become your go to girl, aka your bottom bitch. I was seeing two girls who ended up coming to my house at the same time at a party due to some miscommunication. Well, one girl ran home crying and I fucked the other girl after she just saw the initial girl. Well, when this girl walked in and saw the other girl she got very defensive and "alpha-female", essentially asserting her dominance that "he's my man". Oh yeah, and I banged the girl that ran home crying a few more times. Of course she was upset, but her desire to be with a man who was seeing multiple women trumped the fact that she wasn't my "one and only".

I heard this quote (I believe on this forum): "Girls don't care if you're fucking other girls, they just want to be your favorite" or something like that.

Post: #86

mrxy:

no girl i'm with ever takes calls or answers texts while i'm with them. ever. phones stay in purses and away all the time. so does mine. my time and my attention are precious commodities, girls know thats how i feel and they respect it the same way when i'm with them

and if a bitch ever took a call while i was fucking her, kid or not (never dated a chick with a kid), she'd be gone in a blink.

Post: #87

(08-13-2013 03:52 PM)soup Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 03:44 PM)j r Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 03:22 PM)Pyre Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 02:16 PM)soup Wrote:  Anyone who reads this thread and still believes that women are special are deluding themselves.

There is no such thing as hooker with a heart of gold, and women are not to be trusted at all.

What gets me is not that their fucking other guys, but their fucking guys who seem significantly lower quality than you - out of shape, weird fucking facial hair, wiggers, goof balls, unemployed, nasty hipsters, etc.

I've done some research on other dudes I've found that a girl I was seeing fucking and they were just not alpha at all - not particularly good looking, well-dressed, or even seemed like having a charming personality, but in fact clingy. Now a few alphas slip through, but most of the dudes she's fucking are not this alpha ideal we espouse on this board here at all.

I can accept fooling around with other cool guys, but when I see these guys I look at the girl, "how can you go from fucking quality like me to fucking THAT turd."

That dude is probably saying the same thing about you.

There are two ways to go about this. Either you say this is my jump off. She doesn't mean anything to me and I don't care what she does. Or you demand that women you fuck only fuck you. You have to know yourself well enough to know which way is right for you.

Something doesn't add up. This forum is probably the largest online collection of game guys in the world.

If these girls are banging guys that don't jibe with what we talk about here, then we are definitely missing something..

I was wondering this for a while now. How is it that a guy can run tight game and his bitch can still stray for some other dick on the side?

I think i found the answer. You guys should really check out this program called, "Pandora's Box". It's by Vin DiCarlo. He tries to classify the woman psyche into 8 psychological profiles. Anyway, the first thing you need to know in order to properly profile a woman is something he calls her 'timeline'. The timeline consists on whether she's an iNvestor or a Tester. An investor won't likely see other guys while she's with you because she likes to invest on you. A tester will see other guys while seeing you because she likes to test many men. I'm overly simplifying his explanation but that's just to get to the point for some of you all.

When I finished it I was blown away of how accurate it is. I thought back to my own experiences and I knew this guy was right on the money with this. I recommend you all give it a read. I believe it's up for download on some torrent websites.

Post: #88

Haha, nah, I text/email with reaper23 at least 5 times a week.

We both got divorced around the same time and sort of "came up" together in the game.

It's a different style of game.

What happens when you take men who are conventionally very dominant, violent, successful credential wise, etc., but are blue pill about women?

Fuck, I was a guy who would fight at the drop of a hat. I had awards for being a great soldier and leader. But I was super nice and accommodating to my wife early in our marriage. (That changed as I found game during our marriage.) Hence I was a "conventional alpha" but weak as fuck with women.

Same with reaper. He's been in actual muay thai fights, so it's not just another dork who claims to train but really just hits a heavy bag and does pitter patter sparring with head gear on.

Once you take away those naive, silly views about women...then you've unleashed someone who will do things that seem like lies.

Post: #89

I do not doubt that someone could have four different women on rotation at the same time. I don't doubt it for a second.

What I doubt is that all four were monogamous with just you. In fact Reaper, you've already shown that it's VERY LIKELY you were being deceived.

Quote:but the point is, sure could they have been lying to me? absolutely. but when you see the look in their eyes, the begging, the desperate desire for me to commit to them and their continued availability anytime i wanted it - you just start to put it all together. i mean, they would continue to date and tell me about the dates, when they were going out what the guy was like, what happened etc etc...usually laying in my bed after she got done with him.

First of all, what kind of definition of monogamy are you following? They are dating other men and you call that monogamous?

Second, if she's the kind of slut who goes on a date and then bangs some other dude immediately afterwards, then the chances of her not having sex with other men are 0%. Especially a DC chick.

Now I'm not hating on you, especially if Mike vouches for you then you already got my respect, but I thought you were exaggerating the term "monogamous," and it appears I am right. I have no doubts that you had 4 women all taking turns sucking your cock, that's quite attainable, but to think they just sat around when you refused to go steady with them is wishful thinking.

When girls are monogamous with me, they don't even think about other men let alone date them.

Post: #90

Yeah, if a girl is still going out on dates, monogamy means, 'Oh, I was drunk so it doesn't count...I was out of town on vacation....damn, we were so high, what happened? Oral doesn't count anyway.'

Mad props for 4 girls though. I got up to 3 only once and thought I would die from exhaustion btw work, gym, partying with friends, drinking with then banging the girls. I ended up soft nexting this young Russkie blonde because her English wasn't so great, seemed like maybe a mistake at the time but pretty sure it was a great move now I know more about them...

Post: #91

(08-14-2013 05:01 PM)Samseau Wrote:  I do not doubt that someone could have four different women on rotation at the same time. I don't doubt it for a second.

What I doubt is that all four were monogamous with just you. In fact Reaper, you've already shown that it's VERY LIKELY you were being deceived.

Quote:but the point is, sure could they have been lying to me? absolutely. but when you see the look in their eyes, the begging, the desperate desire for me to commit to them and their continued availability anytime i wanted it - you just start to put it all together. i mean, they would continue to date and tell me about the dates, when they were going out what the guy was like, what happened etc etc...usually laying in my bed after she got done with him.

First of all, what kind of definition of monogamy are you following? They are dating other men and you call that monogamous?

Second, if she's the kind of slut who goes on a date and then bangs some other dude immediately afterwards, then the chances of her not having sex with other men are 0%. Especially a DC chick.

Now I'm not hating on you, especially if Mike vouches for you then you already got my respect, but I thought you were exaggerating the term "monogamous," and it appears I am right. I have no doubts that you had 4 women all taking turns sucking your cock, that's quite attainable, but to think they just sat around when you refused to go steady with them is wishful thinking.

When girls are monogamous with me, they don't even think about other men let alone date them.

Its funny. I actually force them to date other guys in hopes they will stop sweating me so hard.

Monogamy to me is fornicating with only one person, and I can assure you, in these cases, there was no outside fornication happening.

I don't date sluts. I take good girls and make them sluts for me. They are usually on the path to trying to find a husband and family and I make them fall in love with me while turning them out into my bondage whores.

I make them date other guys to distract them, to keep them on their path, to make them feel like they are not wasting their time barking up the wrong tree.

a woman just told me a few weeks ago, "I know you've got [main girl] and i'm just borrowing you for a while, but I'm a one man woman and I won't be sleeping with anyone else while we're together."

I've heard this, and believed it, many many times.

When you've dated scores and scores of women, bedded a large percentage of them, been married, been divorced and are in management/leadership like I am, you get to know your targets.

I don't have to "trust" them...I just know them better than they even know themselves.

Post: #92

(08-14-2013 05:12 PM)horn Wrote:  Yeah, if a girl is still going out on dates, monogamy means, 'Oh, I was drunk so it doesn't count...I was out of town on vacation....damn, we were so high, what happened? Oral doesn't count anyway.'

[edited to add - I don't date women that do any drugs of any kind, and I don't date women that get drunk either. two drinks max on occasion and thats the most i will tolerate]

I'm not sure you guys understand what it is like to completely own a woman's soul.

When you can take a woman who has never done any bondage before in her life and get her to trust you to the point of tying her up helpless before you...100% trusting you to not really hurt her..and giving herself up 100% to my sexual pleasure and whims..and even pain...you reach a certain point of honesty that can't be reached by just dating some chick on the regular.

If you want to believe I am naive, thats fine. I have nothing really to prove here, I just wanted to throw out the perspective that a) if you know a girl and she's banging other dudes - your game is off and b) it is entirely possible to be a polyginist

Post: #93

(08-14-2013 03:11 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  mrxy:

no girl i'm with ever takes calls or answers texts while i'm with them. ever. phones stay in purses and away all the time. so does mine. my time and my attention are precious commodities, girls know thats how i feel and they respect it the same way when i'm with them

and if a bitch ever took a call while i was fucking her, kid or not (never dated a chick with a kid), she'd be gone in a blink.

Almost all the women I date either have a professional job, such as nurse, retail manager, hospitality manager, or corporate exec that requires them to be able to respond to calls at odd hours when they are not on the job, or have a kid.

To tell them they can't check their phone when they're with me would be absurd and would end the relationship and I couldn't blame them. If you're dating girls with absolutely no responsibilities in life then ok you can play the tough guy, but with many of us that's just not reality

Post: #94

(08-14-2013 05:22 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:11 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  mrxy:

no girl i'm with ever takes calls or answers texts while i'm with them. ever. phones stay in purses and away all the time. so does mine. my time and my attention are precious commodities, girls know thats how i feel and they respect it the same way when i'm with them

and if a bitch ever took a call while i was fucking her, kid or not (never dated a chick with a kid), she'd be gone in a blink.

Almost all the women I date either have a professional job, such as nurse, retail manager, hospitality manager, or corporate exec that requires them to be able to respond to calls at odd hours when they are not on the job, or have a kid.

To tell them they can't check their phone when they're with me would be absurd and would end the relationship and I couldn't blame them. If you're dating girls with absolutely no responsibilities in life then ok you can play the tough guy, but with many of us that's just not reality

haha. I'm the top executive of a 100 person organization and I can manage to keep my phone put away for a few hours at a time when I'm on a date. If I can do so can they. Then again, I've never dated a doctor on call. they're all mostly lawyers, executives, defense contractors, journalists, or work for the government - with a smattering of hair stylists and bartenders - but those i know aren't monogamous.

alright i've derailed this thread enough, i'm out!

Post: #95

(08-14-2013 05:22 PM)MrXY Wrote:  Almost all the women I date either have a professional job, such as nurse, retail manager, hospitality manager, or corporate exec that requires them to be able to respond to calls at odd hours when they are not on the job, or have a kid.

The more important you are, the less you are on call. You have people that you delegate that shit to.

So your "corporate exec" is someone's lackey or she's really just a receptionist.

Retail manager and hospitality manager are not professional jobs.

These girls are lying to you.

Post: #96

I've dated 3 at once. They weren't with other guys.

How can I know?

When you are banging them and they are bleeding, or need you to stop at the second time, then obviously some guy is not up in there.

Or as I joked to reaper, "Sure, she might be cheating. But if she is, at least he's not packing heat."

Also, they would buy me stuff. One girl said, "I got so mad at myself for buying you this shirt [hands me shirt]. We aren't even in a relationship!"

Women start spending money on you when you do it right.

By now you guys should've been with enough girls that you can tell when those labias have been unfolded.

Here's a hint: If those pupils aren't dilating when you go up in there, someone else has been keeping her warm.

Post: #97

But I get why this is unbelievable, since Samseau is a bit younger.

I wonder what hotwheels has to say. I would be surprised if he's as skeptical.

When you're in your 30s or even early 40s, accomplished, paternalistic, and give off a dark vibe but also know how to be warm (so that her need for violence/danger and comfort/nurturing are provided and also so that you can control how she feels and she will crave and work for your affection)...very very powerful stuff.

Post: #98

(08-14-2013 05:50 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  I've dated 3 at once. They weren't with other guys.

How can I know?

When you are banging them and they are bleeding, or need you to stop at the second time, then obviously some guy is not up in there.

Nah, if her vagina hurts it's more likely because she's been pounded by 3 other dudes that week and she can't take it anymore.

I was fucking a slut during June and she'd complain about having to put out because I would fuck her for hours even though she got fucked on days prior to me, and she told me about it. She would beg me to stop during sex. "I can't take it anymore, you're too much, please Samseau, please stop, just finish already, oh my godddddd" etc.

On the other hand, if she's just banging you then her vagina will be good to go if she's getting a break every now and then (you are fucking other girls, right? )

Finally, some girls just have tough vagina's and others have sensitive vagina's.

Even still, I would never take anything on face value a woman says to me. I assume she is lying to manipulate my ego.

Quote:Also, they would buy me stuff. One girl said, "I got so mad at myself for buying you this shirt [hands me shirt]. We aren't even in a relationship!"

Typical manipulative woman talk. Trying to make you feel special and flatter you while hinting at a relationship.

Girls are actors. They are Oscar worthy.

Tell you what guys. Next time you think a chick is loyal to you, have her use your computer while a keylogger is active. Then you see for sure how "faithful" she is.

Post: #99

^ Maybe you're right, Samseau.

Then again, I got a good feeling for the problems guys are having. I see what guys are saying about the economy sucking, about higher education being a scam, about not being able to have good guy friends, about having check splitting drama, about 99% of women being horrible and untrustworthy.

I don't seem to have those same problems.

Keep in mind that the view from one side of the mountain is always going to be different than from the other side.

Post: #100

(08-14-2013 06:51 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Girls are actors. They are Oscar worthy.

Samseau makes a great point. Women are WAY more versed in body language and communication than men, so they are able to wield this to trick men and they do it often. Like it's been said, trust, but verify.

How a woman has been raised and continues to live her life will show if you pick up on it. It doesn't make her an angel, but it makes it WAY more likely/possible that she won't be fucking around on you if you have hand. If I've been able to do it (with verification) at my lower skill level I am certain that other more skilled members of this forum are able to.

Now, back to the topic, my friend's with benefits has left her phone around on more than one occasion and she unlocks it right in front of me so it'd be trivial for me to check her phone once she isn't around for a long enough period of time. I plan to do this and see if there's anything juicy in it for you guys. I doubt it but it's certainly possible!

Has anyone gone through a girl's purse to verify if her ID matches the name/age she gave you? I had to do this with a fuckbuddy long ago because my friends were so skeptical of her age and the story she gave us about where she lived. It was a bit of a let down because she wasn't lying, but thankfully she was over 18 (22 like she claimed). She looked/acted really young. That was a relief.