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(05-13-2016 02:19 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  It seems you are operating under a belief that sex is a complete game changer for women. That once a woman has sex with a man she's already helplessly on the road to "falling in love". I have to disagree. Maybe that's how it worked in decades past, but nowadays many women regard sex as nothing more than a mutually pleasurable genital massage. Also, I think it's a bit naive to believe you're the only man she's sleeping with during those early days of courtship. Will a woman feel closer to a man she's slept with than one she has not? Of course. But your example neglects to take into account the very real possibility she's sleeping with more than one man at a time. By your logic, is she falling in love with ALL of these men?

You didn't read carefully what I wrote. I didn't mean only sex but all of her attention, time and feelings. By my logic when a woman is attracted to a guy, spends time with him, is already helplessly on the road to "falling in love" then yes it is a game changer and a complete power shift. She might sleep around before that moment but once this shift takes place in her heart she zooms in on you and other men become irrelevant. This is when she opens up to you for real and become the most vulnerable. This is when you become THE GUY.



(05-13-2016 02:19 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  Yes, it's true. There is no such thing as the "perfect" woman. However, I'm not in the makeover business. I realize you'll have to put "work" into any woman you're with, but anyone who has had any experience dealing with the opposite sex, or people in general, will know how hard it is to get people to truly change. It may be easy to persuade someone but it's certainly difficult to keep them in that persuasion. Even if a woman seems to go along with your wishes and adopt the appearance/behavioral standards you deem acceptable, in time, your attempts at control will likely breed a covert resentment. This resentment could ultimately rear its ugly head in divorce court.

From what you wrote I get that you view it the wrong way. It's not about persuading or tricking some poor woman who deep inside resents you for it and wants to be free without any restrictions. That's not what's going on. What you clearly don't get is what female nature is. Women are adaptable. That's their nature. They choose a man they want to be with and adapt to him, to his lifestyle, to his tastes, etc. This is why it's absolutely crucial for a man to have clear expectations for her. She needs that direction, that "definition" who she needs to be. Once she has it and understands it she adapts to that but, this is very important, she wants to feel appreciated for it. That's when she's happy and validated. She feels like she belongs to her man. She craves that more than anything. This is what a woman expects from a man.

Have you ever heard a woman saying something like "tell me who I need to be for you to love me?" or "you expect nothing from me". Those are complaints of an unhappy woman who is let loose on her own by her man who is afraid to decide for her cause he think he should let her be "free". She doesn't want such freedom. It only makes her dumb, unfocused, lazy, undesired, indifferent, miserable. She doesn't go along with her man's wishes so she's unhappy. He's not in makeover business so he doesn't like how she acts so he's unhappy too. That's majority of couples.



(05-13-2016 02:19 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  I agree with you, a man should be a man and lead his woman. But even if he does as he should, there are, of course, no guarantees in life she'll continue following his lead forever. After all, "changing her mind is a woman's prerogative," right? Women are hypergamous and thus always looking for the bigger, better deal. At no point is a man ever "safe" in a relationship and whatever position of power he believes he holds is often temporary not permanent. Once again, this has a parallel with my gambling example. The longer you play, the better chance you'll lose. That's why I've advocated spinning plates over LTRs/marriage. The spinning of plates is more like betting a little bit on many hands than everything you've got on one.

I'll say this.. while it's true that women always want the bigger better deal, they very rarely actually go for it. For a woman to go for a bigger better deal which is not guaranteed at all is the same as you to bet all of your money in casino cause you want to win big. Yes you want to win, would you risk it all? It's same with women. From what I know women seek security and comfort first and foremost. Not just financial but mainly emotional comfort. Of course they dream of better deals as everyone does but do they really go for it? I don't see it. I don't see women changing men, dating up ruthlessly, climbing social status ladders. All I see is women in fear, clinging to a guy they're already comfortable with until he fucks up so fucking much that they can't handle it anymore and they break up. It doesn't matter what they want, everybody wants something, hardly anyone actually risks their comfort to go for something unknown. I don't buy that "she can leave me anytime" but this is only my personal view so I don't want anybody to think I'm preaching some truths here.


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I suggest you pick up a copy of "The Manipulated Man" by Esther Vilar. You seem to have missed a thing or two about the true nature of women.

Women are adaptable, you're right on that. If they're not getting what they want from a man they have no problem adapting to a different man. The part of the world in which I live is particularly notorious for this behavior. Females aren't interested in "settling" here and will most definitely try for bigger and better. It may not be the most reasonable or logical thing to do, but since when have women ever been accused of being either?

Women want to be controlled by a man yet will simultaneously and paradoxically resent him for controlling her. If you haven't noticed this trait in women, I would love to take a trip to where you live and meet the fantasy women that live there.

I consider it a no-brainer a man has more power in playing the field than in being a part of a LTR/marriage. Why? For one, a man incurs no financial penalties in dropping any one or ALL of his "spinning plates" once they no longer provide him the same level of satisfaction they once did. The same most definitely cannot be said for marriage, especially once children become part of the equation and failure to tow her line could easily result in a costly divorce.

Oh, sure you can "hold frame" with her but what good does holding frame do when you're standing in front of a judge? The judicial system is a woman's ace-in-the-hole. The courts are obviously biased against men. A woman simply needs only to present her "pussy pass" and she'll quickly be absolved of any/all personal responsibility in almost any legal matter. If that's not a "house edge" I don't know what is!

Perhaps where we live is a big factor in our differing viewpoints and we'll have to just "agree to disagree" on this one.

But I firmly stand by my posts.
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(05-15-2016 12:55 AM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  I suggest you pick up a copy of "The Manipulated Man" by Esther Vilar. You seem to have missed a thing or two about the true nature of women.

Read it. It's funny.



(05-15-2016 12:55 AM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  Women are adaptable, you're right on that. If they're not getting what they want from a man they have no problem adapting to a different man. The part of the world in which I live is particularly notorious for this behavior. Females aren't interested in "settling" here and will most definitely try for bigger and better. It may not be the most reasonable or logical thing to do, but since when have women ever been accused of being either?

Of course if their needs are not met they want to break up. That's normal response. That's why it's so crucial to get in charge of relationship the right way as soon as they open up their hearts, to discourage them from wanting another guy.

I'm certain that they would choose being with one guy over indulging in hooking up culture if being with that man was more satisfying than sleeping around. It's a needs things.

To a woman getting a new dick is nothing, it's what grabbing a pack of snacks is to you [Black Phillip for the win]. It's easy, fun not that healthy but that's not what they are after. In the end it doesn't satisfy their real needs. They might never admit it but it's true. They might seem like they're not interested in LTR/BF but make no mistake they're miserable hoping for someone to come along and rescue them from their pointless escapism.



(05-15-2016 12:55 AM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  Women want to be controlled by a man yet will simultaneously and paradoxically resent him for controlling her. If you haven't noticed this trait in women, I would love to take a trip to where you live and meet the fantasy women that live there.

Not, they don't want to be controlled. That's complete false. They want to be taken care of and lead. There's a big difference. Only then they open up and submit. No woman will resent guy who she can submit to and trust him so much to follow his lead. It's well known and universal trait of women.

My whole here point is that once your girl falls in love you own her the same way how she owns you when you're still chasing her ass trying to put on a good show bang her a couple times.



(05-15-2016 12:55 AM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  I consider it a no-brainer a man has more power in playing the field than in being a part of a LTR/marriage. Why? For one, a man incurs no financial penalties in dropping any one or ALL of his "spinning plates" once they no longer provide him the same level of satisfaction they once did. The same most definitely cannot be said for marriage, especially once children become part of the equation and failure to tow her line could easily result in a costly divorce.

Oh, sure you can "hold frame" with her but what good does holding frame do when you're standing in front of a judge? The judicial system is a woman's ace-in-the-hole. The courts are obviously biased against men. A woman simply needs only to present her "pussy pass" and she'll quickly be absolved of any/all personal responsibility in almost any legal matter. If that's not a "house edge" I don't know what is!

This belongs to marriage game thread. I have no idea about marriages.
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Do you understand the stranglehold feminism has had on our culture? It's been like a cancer, a plague that keeps spreading. For a long time, people on this site and others have talked about the drop in quality of Western women. You're going to tell me that as long as a man gets "control" in the beginning of a relationship, it's smooth sailing from there on out? Once he sets that tone everything's just going to be peachy keen?

First off, the dream woman you describe, who practically gets off on doing what you want her to do doesn't exist. Yes, you can have a certain measure of influence over a woman's behavior but to ever believe you can control her is a joke. You have influence at best. You know who else has influence over her? Everyone else she knows: parents, siblings, cousins, friends, co-workers, etc. You think all of these people are going to be squarely on your side? No. People act in their own self-interest and if there's ever a divide (which there will be) on what you want for her (or by extension, yourself) versus what they want for her (or by extension, themselves), you're going to run into trouble...and guess what? You're outnumbered.

Feminism has made it in vogue to ride the cock carousel. We're living in a world where every woman thinks she's "smart, strong and independent" and she "don't need no man". Can you still find girls worthy of getting into a relationship with nowadays? Sure. Are they hard to find? Absolutely. That's all I've been saying from the beginning that if this whole game were about playing the odds...Odds are it's a safer bet to spin plates thus never fully investing yourself completely with any one girl because as I've heard it said many times before, she's never "yours" it's just "your turn".

When it comes to women, a man can approach them with one of two mindsets: abundance or scarcity, as I've mentioned before. If he isn't serious about his relationship and is willing to cheat, he retains his abundance mentality. Women are intuitive if nothing else, and can sense when a man has options. She can practically "feel" it. If you drop all your hoes for her, as is often the case when a man gets tired of spinning plates, she knows she's got you. If you want pussy, you have to come to her. If you don't tow the line, she'll cut you off. This doesn't scare a guy who has options because if he isn't getting it at home, he'll just go somewhere else. But to the guy who's actually committed himself, the allure of pussy is just too great and sooner or later he'll find himself compromising over something he doesn't want/shouldn't have to compromise about. If you even try and act like this hasn't happened to you at some point in your life, I'm just going to disregard everything else you say. We've all been there at least once.

The problem I have with your statement:

"To a woman getting a new dick is nothing, it's what grabbing a pack of snacks is to you [Black Phillip for the win]. It's easy, fun not that healthy but that's not what they are after. In the end it doesn't satisfy their real needs. They might never admit it but it's true. They might seem like they're not interested in LTR/BF but make no mistake they're miserable hoping for someone to come along and rescue them from their pointless escapism."


Is that you're looking at women's actions through a male filter of logic/reason. Women frequently do shit that doesn't make sense, they're a conflicted bunch whose wants and needs are often contradictory. Logically, women should want to stay at home and be taken care of by a man. But they bought up feminism's bullshit about being "subjugated" by their husbands and children and decided they wanted to venture out into the workforce instead. Logically, women should go for beta provider types who will provision them and not cheat but they'll go for alphas who will fuck and chuck 'em. If you're using logic as the unit of measurement to assess a woman's actions...sorry friend, but you're going to come up short.

Additionally, your bit about:

"Not, they don't want to be controlled. That's complete false. They want to be taken care of and lead. There's a big difference. Only then they open up and submit. No woman will resent guy who she can submit to and trust him so much to follow his lead. It's well known and universal trait of women.

My whole here point is that once your girl falls in love you own her the same way how she owns you when you're still chasing her ass trying to put on a good show bang her a couple times."

You need to understand that in a woman's eyes, there's a fine line between submission and control. It's a tightrope. Many modern women take issue with the Christian concept of submitting to a man. Feminism has brainwashed them into thinking they're weak for following a man's lead. Women have rebelled against their own nature for so long, many don't even know what their true nature is anymore. They've been led to think that a traditional feminine woman is weak and they need to become masculinized.

Again, I emphasize we may have to just "agree to disagree" on this because while I can acknowledge there are women in this world still worth being in a relationship with, that a man should set the tone but know it's a tightrope to walk between making a woman submit without her feeling controlled, that you can persuade them for a while to do almost anything, but you can't keep them in that persuasion forever and that at the end of the day the odds are against you. You, on the other hand, seem more interested in wanting to be "right". I've agreed with certain points you've made while you've not wanted to even budge to try and see where I'm coming from. I love an exchange of ideas but I won't keep discussing a matter with a brick wall.

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(05-15-2016 02:42 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  Do you understand the stranglehold feminism has had on our culture? It's been like a cancer, a plague that keeps spreading. For a long time, people on this site and others have talked about the drop in quality of Western women. You're going to tell me that as long as a man gets "control" in the beginning of a relationship, it's smooth sailing from there on out? Once he sets that tone everything's just going to be peachy keen?

Have you aver had any girl fallen in love with you for real? So If not, try it and see it for yourself then come back and we can talk. So far you talk you've never had even one girl completely into so much she was eating out of your hand. If you haven't then I agree, discussing with you makes no sense until you experience it.

To answer your question.. There's no need to control a girl, I already told you that and you still refer to that "controlling" so the only brick wall is you in this discussion. It's not about control. You don't order her, force her or blackmail her. You encourage her to be/do what you want her to be/do and you validate her when she agrees. And then guess what.. when she's so into you she wants to please you. Simply because she knows you will appreciate her more with love and attention.

Basic example... you're going out with friends tonight in 3 hours. You tell her, "show me what you'd like to wear tonight baby". She shows you, you pick what you like and tell her "I like this and this, you'd look so beautiful [to me] in this, just look, I can't wait, can I have a little preview?". Of course she will wear it. She understands that if she does it you'll be fixated on her for the whole evening so she will feel so good by having your close attention. And it's not like you do it selfishly just for yourself, you do it for her too, it's just [to you] she looks better in red dress, not in green one.

Controlling would be something like "girl, you will wear exactly what I tell you to wear and you have no word here, is that clear?". That's lame.



(05-15-2016 02:42 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  First off, the dream woman you describe, who practically gets off on doing what you want her to do doesn't exist. Yes, you can have a certain measure of influence over a woman's behavior but to ever believe you can control her is a joke. You have influence at best. You know who else has influence over her? Everyone else she knows: parents, siblings, cousins, friends, co-workers, etc. You think all of these people are going to be squarely on your side? No. People act in their own self-interest and if there's ever a divide (which there will be) on what you want for her (or by extension, yourself) versus what they want for her (or by extension, themselves), you're going to run into trouble...and guess what? You're outnumbered.

So you confirmed you haven't experienced it. It's OK, should have said it beforehand.

Newsflash: influence you have over a woman who's totally infatuated with you or straight up fully in love is so much bigger than any other person's in her life it's not even a joke. She can't even think clearly. It's obvious to anyone who had a devoted girlfriend. I hope you'll get there one day.



(05-15-2016 02:42 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  The problem I have with your statement:

"To a woman getting a new dick is nothing, it's what grabbing a pack of snacks is to you [Black Phillip for the win]. It's easy, fun not that healthy but that's not what they are after. In the end it doesn't satisfy their real needs. They might never admit it but it's true. They might seem like they're not interested in LTR/BF but make no mistake they're miserable hoping for someone to come along and rescue them from their pointless escapism."

Is that you're looking at women's actions through a male filter of logic/reason. Women frequently do shit that doesn't make sense, they're a conflicted bunch whose wants and needs are often contradictory. Logically, women should want to stay at home and be taken care of by a man. But they bought up feminism's bullshit about being "subjugated" by their husbands and children and decided they wanted to venture out into the workforce instead. Logically, women should go for beta provider types who will provision them and not cheat but they'll go for alphas who will fuck and chuck 'em. If you're using logic as the unit of measurement to assess a woman's actions...sorry friend, but you're going to come up short.

There's nothing bad about women having jobs. Problem is when they give up on being women when the right time comes. They're still women, just mislead and brainwashed. Their choice. I think it's a facade. It won't fly, it's too unnatural, they won't be happy long term. I think that deep inside they fight with themselves and struggle to keep that resting bitch face in order to live up to the new ideology they bought into. The same way that no man can be truly happy without having a girl on his arm, I think the same goes for women no matter how independent they want to view themselves as. And that's not a speculation by the way, I've talked to many of those feminist like girls and they don't look so happy with themselves. They feel powerful, sure, but too much of that only eats their souls. They WOULD want to have a man but they've gone just too deep into the rabbit hole and they're stuck there. That's what I see.



(05-15-2016 02:42 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  Additionally, your bit about:

"Not, they don't want to be controlled. That's complete false. They want to be taken care of and lead. There's a big difference. Only then they open up and submit. No woman will resent guy who she can submit to and trust him so much to follow his lead. It's well known and universal trait of women.

My whole here point is that once your girl falls in love you own her the same way how she owns you when you're still chasing her ass trying to put on a good show bang her a couple times."

You need to understand that in a woman's eyes, there's a fine line between submission and control. It's a tightrope. Many modern women take issue with the Christian concept of submitting to a man. Feminism has brainwashed them into thinking they're weak for following a man's lead. Women have rebelled against their own nature for so long, many don't even know what their true nature is anymore. They've been led to think that a traditional feminine woman is weak and they need to become masculinized.

I've been with independent, career oriented, "you go gurrrl" women. They're still women. They were the same as other women once I crushed their bitch walls and really got to them. It's a front, quite tough at times but still. Fortunately for those who are half sold on that idea all it takes is the RIGHT man to do the RIGHT job and they crumble. But some of them are really lost and it's sad to see. Again, I'm speaking from personal experience.
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I like how you attempt to take a shot at me by questioning the quality of my past relationships but can't even answer one simple question I asked you:

Have you ever been in a relationship in which you lost control?

I'm willing to bet you have but you're afraid of losing "frame" in this conversation by showing some semblance of vulnerability. You act as if you've got it all figured out, after all, it's just so simple, right? You just wrestle the power away from a woman in the beginning of a relationship and you'll have it once and forevermore, right? Or, if somehow you manage to lose control then it's your fault and your fault alone. But winds of change blow through life, people change and so do their minds. Just because a woman loves you once doesn't mean she'll love you forever. It needn't mean you've lost frame or "let it happen". Haven't you ever lost feelings for a woman? Where she really didn't do anything wrong, you just found your interest waned over time. Why couldn't the same happen for them?

When it comes to women, I've had my share of successes and failures and I can admit to them. I've had women eat out of the palm of my hand and I've had girls I've chased when I shouldn't have. I've experienced the full spectrum of what can happen. I can admit not being perfect. Can you? Or are you more interested in appearing to be impervious to pain and manipulation because your frame is just TOO strong to be moved by a woman's actions? Give me a break.

Your idea that women derive their profound meaning in life from getting any one particular man's validation is just ridiculous. They might enjoy his attention/approval but it is not the end-all-be-all of their human experience. You may carry weight with a woman, but you can't discount the weight other relationships have in her life, too. If you do, I feel sorry the day you discover the power a woman's family can have over her.

We've gone down the rabbit hole here but the original point I made, which I still stand by, was simply to say that a man has more control when he plays the field and keeps his options open than when he's committed himself in a relationship where it's much easier for him to lose ground.
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You're saying right things in wrong thread. This thread is about exclusive relationship game while you're talking about how to play the field having fuckbuddies you can dump anytime for no reason. There are other threads for that. Move.

OP asked:

Quote:"I have been dating a girl for about 8 months now and I've had good results with being alpha; taking the lead by setting up dates, being a bit more dominant in the bedroom, and generally being the man of the relationship in the traditional sense.

I am a young guy who is inexperienced with relationships lasting longer then a couple months and wanted to ask some of the older guys with a bit more experience what has worked for them. Obviously you don't want to bait and switch the girl by being an aloof charmer during the courtship phase only to turn into a clingy insecure man child after a few months. Where is the happy medium here between showing affection by doing nice things or being more classically romantic and maintaining the alpha frame that landed you the girl in the first place?"

Dude made a good thread and wanted to know how to do it right. I try to do my best to explain what I'm 100% certain about related to that topic and guy like WIA recognizes real shit, which makes me flattered. However, you chime in and go after me and my first hand experience instead of contributing something of value, then you complain about feminism and advocate to take the standard tactic of a player [I don't chase, I replace] and use it in exclusive relationship ie: "In case of emergency with your GF, replace her with another girl, because odds are against you and most probably you won't make it". That's all you got about starting and staying in a successful relationship.

Yes, I take shots cause your advice sucks. I'm done with you.
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(05-16-2016 05:44 AM)XXL Wrote:  @LeoneVolpe

You're saying right things in wrong thread. This thread is about exclusive relationship game while you're talking about how to play the field having fuckbuddies you can dump anytime for no reason. There are other threads for that. Move.

OP asked:

Quote:"I have been dating a girl for about 8 months now and I've had good results with being alpha; taking the lead by setting up dates, being a bit more dominant in the bedroom, and generally being the man of the relationship in the traditional sense.

I am a young guy who is inexperienced with relationships lasting longer then a couple months and wanted to ask some of the older guys with a bit more experience what has worked for them. Obviously you don't want to bait and switch the girl by being an aloof charmer during the courtship phase only to turn into a clingy insecure man child after a few months. Where is the happy medium here between showing affection by doing nice things or being more classically romantic and maintaining the alpha frame that landed you the girl in the first place?"

Dude made a good thread and wanted to know how to do it right. I try to do my best to explain what I'm 100% certain about related to that topic and guy like WIA recognizes real shit, which makes me flattered. However, you chime in and go after me and my first hand experience instead of contributing something of value, then you complain about feminism and advocate to take the standard tactic of a player [I don't chase, I replace] and use it in exclusive relationship ie: "In case of emergency with your GF, replace her with another girl, because odds are against you and most probably you won't make it". That's all you got about starting and staying in a successful relationship.

Yes, I take shots cause your advice sucks. I'm done with you.

Yes, be "done" with me. Best news I've heard all day. Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one...including you and me. Your "first-hand experience" is but one opinion -- of which others are free to depart from. Your ego must be incredible, I wasn't "going after" you...I just had a different opinion. Isn't the whole point of a forum to have an exchange of ideas? Or is this forum supposed to be your personal echo chamber? You're free to dispense some knowledge but no one else can have a contrasting opinion? Good to know.

If a guy comes in asking about relationships, I think it's important to remind him that relationships aren't just about two people. They're about two people within a larger cultural context. That's why I brought up feminism and its effect on society. Since marriage is often a natural progression from being in a long-term relationship, is it so wrong to remind a guy of the risks? I see no sense in posting that in a thread about marriage where I'd likely already be preaching to the choir.

Whatever the case, I mentioned the fact we may have to "agree to disagree" a few times, which would've allowed us both to maintain our own opinions yet still be respectful toward each other. I never said I thought all your ideas were ALL bad, I even acknowledged how some of them we agreed on...Go back through and re-read if you don't believe me. I think your ideas may be a bit idealistic in a sense, but that's OK. That's just my take on your ideas. Doesn't mean I'm a bad guy for not seeing things 100% your way, doesn't mean you're a bad guy for not seeing them mine. We're both here and on this forum so that tells me we probably have more in common than we might expect.

I do like how your ego felt too threatened to admit having had any past failures in relationships, though. Enjoy being "done" with me.
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(05-15-2016 02:42 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  Do you understand the stranglehold feminism has had on our culture? It's been like a cancer, a plague that keeps spreading. For a long time, people on this site and others have talked about the drop in quality of Western women. You're going to tell me that as long as a man gets "control" in the beginning of a relationship, it's smooth sailing from there on out? Once he sets that tone everything's just going to be peachy keen?

Have you aver had any girl fallen in love with you for real? So If not, try it and see it for yourself then come back and we can talk. So far you talk you've never had even one girl completely into so much she was eating out of your hand. If you haven't then I agree, discussing with you makes no sense until you experience it.

Agreed with this. His whole argument reads like someone who has been in the Rollo Tomassi echo-chamber too long or has not had enough real world experience.

Are women cold, economically calculative supercomputers who move from man to man extracting benefit and await for the next move? Or are they grown up children, stupid and overly emotional, ultimately looking to submit and be led by strong man? Both? Or something else? The truth is that it is not black and white. It's evident that if you had more experience you would have been more level headed in stating this, instead of just coming into this thread foaming at the mouth with the angry, I-Just-Discovered-The-RedPill worldview.

Quote:If a guy comes in asking about relationships, I think it's important to remind him that relationships aren't just about two people. They're about two people within a larger cultural context. That's why I brought up feminism and its effect on society. Since marriage is often a natural progression from being in a long-term relationship, is it so wrong to remind a guy of the risks? I see no sense in posting that in a thread about marriage where I'd likely already be preaching to the choir.

It's a good reminder and relevant to an extent, but you took things too far on the other end of the spectrum. 99.9% of guys here are already quite aware of the effects of feminism and the perils/pitfalls of modern marriage. We are reminded with 20 new threads everyday in the Everything Else forum. But frankly, some of us don't give a fuck about that drivel. Strong men overcome and do what they want in any case. In the typical masculine fashion, some seek to push through the obstacles and do the improbable. In this case it is swooping a feminine woman to build a foundation with and equipping themselves with the tools for success, however it's defined. This is what this thread is for and let's keep it that way.
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RE: Relationship Game
Getting this thread back on track:

Another way to keep your Game sharp in a relationship is to help willing newbies in person, such as doing their first approach, demonstrating approaching for them, etc.

I just helped a shy and total newbie do his first approach - a day game one, no less. One of the best feelings in the world.
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^^ 262, what / how did you do it?

I like the idea of helping someone out, but I have a tendency to get a little overboard and there's a possibility I'd veer into commandeering / over-explaining / setting too high of expectations.

Was he a stranger or someone you knew?
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(04-24-2016 01:17 PM)XXL Wrote:  - Starting LTR the right way, how to screen the girl for LTR, what to focus on, what be aware of, etc
- Introducing the natural dynamic from the start where proper gender roles are set and established
- Maintaining those dynamics over long period of time
- Handling challenges your woman comes up with and dealing with her shit in general
- Staying cool, fit, smart and masculine despite the urges to let go
- Going through tough situations [health issues, money problems, annoying families, mental issues, distance, moving, etc]
- Leading your woman the right way so that she stays good, fit, smart and feminine
- Keeping sex hot and fulfilling
- Getting rid of chaos and bringing back order in your relationship


Lots of gems in this thread, and I would say XXL provide a good template here.

I would add (what XXL told me in another thread) that you need to learn how to start chaos and adding drama into your LTR, in the right way. It spices things up, sate their thirst for drama and keep them from getting bored.


I can't stress the first, bolded part enough though. Screening right and getting a girl compatible with you is critical. Because then you are working from a "mom's dating advice" game, which mean the girl loved you already, you just need to make it worth it for both of you.

The beauty of correct screening is that, you can start shit up and if she's the right girl she's the one who always make things up for you.

Another part of this LTR game is teaching her how to be YOUR girlfriend, moulding her to your own expectation. Thats why I feel like having a GF a preliminary step to having a child. It's satisfying to see your girl start speaking out loud your own thoughts.

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Very nice posts. I had only one LTR for 3 years. She was somekind of weird, because she was commited to me since the first moment we met and whatever I did or acted like, it didn´t change. But it totally affected my relationship game. Because of her, I thought that what is only important to get LTR is to "get" girl at the beginning and then she become commited.... yes, thats bullshit, thanks god I discovered red-pill.

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Stay motivated to properly fuck her, if you can continue to dominate her and ravage her pussy, she will be satisfied and want to stay with you. If you can't do that, well you probably shouldn't be dating her any more anyways.

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I have 1M$ question.. how do you manage money in a relationship?

Managing money in LTR can be tricky. Do you combine your accounts, or keep them separate? How to handle joint expenses? How do you split bills and joint purchases? If you have a system for dealing with money in your relationship, please share it and and tell how has that been working out for you so far?
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(08-18-2013 03:35 PM)zwyjibo Wrote:  I've had two fairly long relationships (both 2+ years) since getting into this part of the Internet. Gaming for a high score is exciting and I commend the people who can do it for protracted periods of time. For a number of lifestyle and personal reasons I won't get into here, I tend to gravitate toward serial monogamy and lack the patience to keep a lot of plates spinning at once while I'm at a desk ~60 hours a week and on call for another 20. That said, I don't think my situation is uncommon and a lot of guys are in a similar position of wishing they could go out more and harder than they do.

Old Roissy (pre-2010) had the best posts on this. Roosh has had some as well, but I believe there were more from Roissy. He had some good tips about getting disinterested when your partner acts inappropriately. I had one girl perform something that I considered a minor faux pas in a social situation - nobody else noticed, or if they did, they didn't care, but it bothered me. Rather than make a big deal out of it, the night carried on and the next morning I sent her a link to a book about manners with no explanation. Her apology followed.

While the level of direction and security each girl needs will vary, the best medium I've found is to just treat her as a kind of traveling companion to your life. Do the things you were going to do anyway. Go to restaurants you wanted to check out - which is easy now that you have a person you're reasonably sure of having a good conversation with while you're there. Go see concerts to events you'd like to attend, but just buy a second ticket. Don't ask her for approval or say anything more than she has a commitment at the time and date of the event. Don't make a big deal out of it. You aren't doing these things for her - you're doing them for yourself and she's lucky to be there, doubly so if she's enhancing the experience with her presence (if you travel a lot, you know that eating alone at any place nicer than a Chipotle can be awkward). This mentality can lead to a better return on your investment than a traditional relationship, too. I've had girlfriends who would want to hang out and I'd tell them that they'd have to come with me to the gym that night if they wanted to see me. They obliged and, after a few months, looked better than they did when they started.

The point is that you can lead without being explicit in doing so. Women as a group tend to be better than men at picking up subtexts. They are likely to detect your leadership and appreciation of them without you having to verbalize it. If you have to be direct in saying "I'm doing this for you," it ruins the effect, and is actually kind of damaging - your independent actions have turned into a plea for approval. As I write this out, I now realize that this is largely coextensive with what Danger and Play wrote about lifestyle game. So check his blog out. I'd be surprised if there wasn't something similar from a different angle on Bold and Determined as well.

The existential crisis to worry about is not any individual relationship, but a crisis over relationships in general. You've done all this work to improve yourself mentally and physically, and for what - self-imposed exclusivity with one other person for an indeterminate (and possibly indefinite) period of time? Your big reward is one person who is going to change and deteriorate with time, and depending on your risk tolerance and views on relationships, possibly take half of your assets through divorce? That bigger question, rather than concerns about being sufficiently romantic yet in charge within any one relationship, should be your impediment to commitment.


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good advice in this thread. And to the person that mentioned jelously. I realized this to with girls. When you make your girfriend jelous it makes them horny... EVery girl that i have been with in short term relationship it made them extra horny when i would make them jelous.


Girl #1 I was at a club and i opened a snapchat with my girlfriend that i have been dating for a month. She saw that the girl said something sexual to me and thought i was cheating on her.. She cried in the bathroom and was going to leave me at the club. We go home and i fuck her and she has an orgasm in about 3-5 minutes... First time she had an orgasm to with me. It was just from my dick. I was rawdogging her and she started play with her self and screamed im cumming .



Girl #2. I got fed up with her bullshit. We had plans to go to a rave and last minute she canceled and told me to go with another girl because she suspected i was cheating on her. So thats exactly what I did. I hit up this flaking girl that was a solid 8. Sexy girl.... Bought her a ticket to an expensive rave got a hotel etc. Didnt have sex with her but didnt care. Just needed to get her in my snapchat etc to make my ex jelous. and i told her dont be jelous we finished. she came to my house to talk. she was super pissed. i never seen her so angry.... like wow i thought she was going to kill me. then i apologize to her and her pussy was SOAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKED. i didnt even need foreplay...


Im not in relationships much but every relationship that i have been in when i make the girl jealous it makes them want me more lol.


the advice in this thread is good. dont put up with bullshit. woman need you. not the other way around. make them chase.. dont be clingy.. text them a little bit less than they text you and so on... know your worth. if your not worth shit then fix it before you waste time on a relationship. build yourself first.. but at the same time treat them good.... treat them good but dont be a door mat. or they will get bored and not feel challenged..
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