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online dating: a wager
A female colleague insists on giving me unsolicited advice on how to pick up women. After the most recent instance I told her that her advice was terrible. Since she has never hit on a woman—or, probably, a man for that matter—she has little to offer in the way of knowledge on the subject. She disagreed, implying that just being a woman granted her omniscience.

Which led me to an idea: I proposed a contest. We could both control the same male profiles on a dating website with our locations set to different cities with comparable demographics. (In this case, I suggested our respective hometowns, two rust belt cities in the US.) After a month, we could see who received the most replies and/or who got the most women to agree to dates. If she won, I would take her advice more seriously.

She refused to participate in the contest and dismissed my idea as stupid.

Now what if this contest was applied on a larger scale? Create a profile that is representative of the average guy, set it up in various cities, then take a sampling of men and women and see which gender is better at picking up women—electronically, at least—with the same average guy profile.

As a variation, you could put game enthusiasts against game deniers to see who is more successful and test if game works. Or, just for fun, the cage match: players versus feminists.

Certainly you’d have to control for certain factors by, if using OkCupid for example, making a rule where you can only send messages to women with observably low response rates (red dots) instead of only going after the easy targets (green dots).

Expected results:
- On average, men would outperform women in getting responses from female online daters. But, like with most things, men would have a larger standard deviation.
- More experienced men, as measured by number of sexual partners, would be the most successful, faring better than less experienced men and all women despite using the same profile.
- Similarly, those who practice game will do better than those who don’t.
- The tactics female participants actually get responses with will be much different than what they say will get responses. i.e. Women’s revealed preferences are much different from their stated preferences, or what “is” is much different from what “ought” to be true.

Has this been done already? If not, is there a student or someone else out there that can make this happen? I’d like to see the results.
08-20-2013 03:37 PM
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This is somewhat related but in a fictitious world.

It would depend on the location. Tom N might score in SF or Brooklyn while Tom A would score well in Manhattan.

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08-20-2013 03:48 PM
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eh, you are comparing 2 different things. She is saying she is giving good advice for swooping women. You are saying men have tighter internet game than women. Those are 2 very different things.

The biggest challenge for internet game is just getting the girls to respond in the first place because they are likely getting blitzed by an overwhelming number of responses.

What sort of advice for swooping is she giving you? I am not saying to dismiss what she is saying, she might actually be spitting gold. But better yet would be to read some of the threads on here about making approaches.
08-20-2013 03:56 PM
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RE: online dating: a wager
(08-20-2013 03:37 PM)Camel Wrote:  A female colleague insists on giving me unsolicited advice on how to pick up women. After the most recent instance I told her that her advice was terrible. Since she has never hit on a woman—or, probably, a man for that matter—she has little to offer in the way of knowledge on the subject. She disagreed, implying that just being a woman granted her omniscience.

Is she cute? If a girl expresses interest in your sex life it usually means she wants to become a part of it.

In any case I wouldn't be so quick to write her off. You can learn a lot by listening to girls advice about dating. Listening. Not following. Her advice will tell you a ton about her emotional triggers and how she views the world. You can use that information to recognize those patterns in girls you want to bang. Unsolicited advice always tells you more about the giver of the advice than it does about the receiver.
08-20-2013 04:49 PM
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"Certainly you’d have to control for certain factors by, if using OkCupid for example, making a rule where you can only send messages to women with observably low response rates (red dots) instead of only going after the easy targets (green dots)."

Actually the DOT system is messed up. Those so called Easy gals might just have her mail setting so it sends and receives messages due to rating system.She may not be easy and the RED dot girl might NOT be hard.
08-20-2013 04:54 PM
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It'd probably be quite interesting for a woman to see the dating world and especially the online dating world through the eyes of an "average" guy. Would also be interesting to set up a fake profile of an average/below average girl and see how many responses you get
08-20-2013 05:03 PM
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There have been experiments done like this, where girls try to hit on girls online.

They are just SHOCKED by how much they get ignored, flaked on, disrespected, and generally treated like crap.

[Image: okcupid_fake.jpeg]
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/violetblue/ten...trial/1405

Here's a lesson just of how different the experience is for guys and girls. The best looking guy got messaged here less than all but the ugliest girl.

Male 8 = Female 4
08-20-2013 05:13 PM
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(08-20-2013 04:49 PM)Ensam Wrote:  Is she cute? If a girl expresses interest in your sex life it usually means she wants to become a part of it.

In any case I wouldn't be so quick to write her off. You can learn a lot by listening to girls advice about dating...

She is not cute.

Most of her advice is in the "just introduce yourself, be yourself" category which, although it could be worse, isn't the kind of thing I'm going to take notes on. The only bit of insight I've got out of her is when she told me how her boyfriend, now husband, once made her jealous by sleeping with a girl that looked like her.
08-21-2013 08:18 AM
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Is she cute? If a girl expresses interest in your sex life it usually means she wants to become a part of it.

In any case I wouldn't be so quick to write her off. You can learn a lot by listening to girls advice about dating. Listening. Not following. Her advice will tell you a ton about her emotional triggers and how she views the world. You can use that information to recognize those patterns in girls you want to bang. Unsolicited advice always tells you more about the giver of the advice than it does about the receiver.
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Do you think this applies in all situations?
I ask cos I'm still in touch with an old squeeze, we're both seeing someone else now but we still have a good rapport
Just the other day, she replies to a mail after several weeks, remarking on how funny I am, but much of the mail was devoted to asking me about my sexlife and what techniques I use, etc
08-21-2013 09:32 AM
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