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(10-09-2013 03:10 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  Oh wait, I just watched 4 hours of all men tackling each other. Does that make me more straight?

American football is a gay niche in the rest of the world. I'm not saying that to insult the "sport" (I'll insult the sport later) but it's truth. If you watch a local gay parade (hard not to if you live where I live) the odds are you'll spot a few guys wearing American football gear. It's campy, it's comically masculine, so gay guys love it and straight men would be ashamed to be associated with it in any way. If it's not a gay thing in America, it's probably because all the gay guys over there are bitter about being bullied but not butt fucked by the football players at school.

Of all the American sports, football is the one that I can't comprehend at all. Basketball is great, ice hockey is great, baseball is fine though not my thing. But football is not even remotely sport-like. There's no flow, it stops every 15 seconds, and there's opportunism when offense and defense roles are set (for this reason alone it's not a sport at all). It's like one big choreographed parade (which, again, is why gay guys in Europe love it).
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I have long theorized that team contact sports makes men gay, especially football. Wearing tights and bending over in front of another man? They wear cups not for injury prevention, but to hide the erections.
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(10-09-2013 12:11 AM)T and A Man Wrote:  Baseball isn't high scoring, the ideal game is two pitchers pitching shut outs.

No, the reason masculine socities irk at soccer is because the MAIN strategy of the game is to position yourself in the box and then dive to be awarded a penalty goal.

Men find it dishonourable to obtain victory that way.

That is my main issue with soccer and why sometimes basketball pisses me off. Why fuck up a beautifully strategic game by acting like a pussy and flopping?


As for the American football discussion. I played high school and semi-pro football, and in about four years of that I had many more injuries than I did in 7+ years of boxing. It's a tough sport, and only those who have never played will say otherwise. The helmet and pads give you the illusion of being completely protected, so you're more likely to throw yourself in to a tackle with reckless abandon.

That being said, I started playing 1994 as a freshman and was completely aware of the likelihood of injuries. We had a few concussions during hell week(s) and lost one teammate to a torn ACL. That all happened in practice. The parents who force their children to play are assholes, but if a parent and child are aware of the risks, I see no problem with keeping the game as it is.
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When kids go in playing football they don't know the risks that come with it.

If anything, I would steer my kid to not start playing until high school just as I.

As a WR or QB you're not going to feel the same effect as a tackle, end, linebackers and RBs.

One day for film we watch every defensive series for Ray Lewis. He was hit on every single play while also delivering hits on 90% of them.

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(10-09-2013 03:42 AM)jaakkeli Wrote:  
(10-09-2013 03:10 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  Oh wait, I just watched 4 hours of all men tackling each other. Does that make me more straight?

American football is a gay niche in the rest of the world. I'm not saying that to insult the "sport" (I'll insult the sport later) but it's truth. If you watch a local gay parade (hard not to if you live where I live) the odds are you'll spot a few guys wearing American football gear. It's campy, it's comically masculine, so gay guys love it and straight men would be ashamed to be associated with it in any way. If it's not a gay thing in America, it's probably because all the gay guys over there are bitter about being bullied but not butt fucked by the football players at school.

Of all the American sports, football is the one that I can't comprehend at all. Basketball is great, ice hockey is great, baseball is fine though not my thing. But football is not even remotely sport-like. There's no flow, it stops every 15 seconds, and there's opportunism when offense and defense roles are set (for this reason alone it's not a sport at all). It's like one big choreographed parade (which, again, is why gay guys in Europe love it).

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I think there are different risks at different times when playing football. At the NFL level the hits are at an intensity that would destroy a normal person, so I would expect injury. I also know that these people all get paid well, they are being compensated for destroying themselves. This isn't baseball.

Also, in high school I think there's risk due to disparate abilities. Some kids are light years ahead of others athletically and even some school programs are far ahead of others. Putting those all into the same competition is what is going to result in injury...at least thats what I recall from seeing injuries when I played...it was the 'likely could play in college' linebacker putting a hit on a second string 110 lb receiver that was running his route while thinking about how to do a shoryuken in street fighter.

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(10-09-2013 07:53 AM)bojangles Wrote:  
(10-09-2013 03:42 AM)jaakkeli Wrote:  
(10-09-2013 03:10 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  Oh wait, I just watched 4 hours of all men tackling each other. Does that make me more straight?

American football is a gay niche in the rest of the world. I'm not saying that to insult the "sport" (I'll insult the sport later) but it's truth. If you watch a local gay parade (hard not to if you live where I live) the odds are you'll spot a few guys wearing American football gear. It's campy, it's comically masculine, so gay guys love it and straight men would be ashamed to be associated with it in any way. If it's not a gay thing in America, it's probably because all the gay guys over there are bitter about being bullied but not butt fucked by the football players at school.

Of all the American sports, football is the one that I can't comprehend at all. Basketball is great, ice hockey is great, baseball is fine though not my thing. But football is not even remotely sport-like. There's no flow, it stops every 15 seconds, and there's opportunism when offense and defense roles are set (for this reason alone it's not a sport at all). It's like one big choreographed parade (which, again, is why gay guys in Europe love it).

The truth.

Ice Hockey (In Canada) out gays football any day. The initiation on many junior teams is that senior players circle jerk onto a piece of bread and then the new guy has to eat it.

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On topic...PBS will not kill the NFL via a 1 hour, sensationalist news program. NFL has replaced religion in a lot of the U.S.

NFL will die down if they don't keep creating likeable stars, just like the NBA, just like Baseball.
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American Football is the manliest sport there is PERIOD.

why ? It is the closest proxy to the quintessential male activity: WARFARE

and hence its popularity primarily amongst the men of the Worlds most warlike society - the USA.

This is also why the Controllers want to destroy it -

-hysteria over concussions
- introducing PINK color schemes
- trying to get women to play
- rules changes to reduce the violence
'rules changes to make it video game like and less a test of masculine wills and strength.
- promotion of Soccer

FOOTBALL is one the last bastions of hetereosexual maleness in a society that is increasingly anti hetereo sexual male and pushing homosexuality and asexuality. It will be hard to destroy. Buy getting everyone into a tizzy over concussions and the resulting potential legal liability - is a start though.

If homos in Europe happen to like it thats because homos LUV masculine men - fantasing over big, bruising, violent, mostly black, US footballplayers beats doing the same over Euro Soccer players who are midgets in comparison
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American football is a gay niche in the rest of the world. I'm not saying that to insult the "sport" (I'll insult the sport later) but it's truth. If you watch a local gay parade (hard not to if you live where I live) the odds are you'll spot a few guys wearing American football gear. It's campy, it's comically masculine, so gay guys love it ..... this is why gay guys in Europe love it).
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WRONG.

Gay guys love it - if this is true what you say - because Gay men fantasize about being fucked by big strong masculine men.

There are no manlier athletes than US football players - certainly the midget Euro soccer players are no match......

hence, the Gay popularity.
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You guys are thinking way too hard about this stuff. How sports and homosexuality are linked in any way is beyond me.
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(10-09-2013 10:18 AM)kdolo Wrote:  American Football is the manliest sport there is PERIOD.



   


Very manly.
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(10-09-2013 07:53 AM)bojangles Wrote:  
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(10-09-2013 03:10 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  Oh wait, I just watched 4 hours of all men tackling each other. Does that make me more straight?

American football is a gay niche in the rest of the world. I'm not saying that to insult the "sport" (I'll insult the sport later) but it's truth. If you watch a local gay parade (hard not to if you live where I live) the odds are you'll spot a few guys wearing American football gear. It's campy, it's comically masculine, so gay guys love it and straight men would be ashamed to be associated with it in any way. If it's not a gay thing in America, it's probably because all the gay guys over there are bitter about being bullied but not butt fucked by the football players at school.

Of all the American sports, football is the one that I can't comprehend at all. Basketball is great, ice hockey is great, baseball is fine though not my thing. But football is not even remotely sport-like. There's no flow, it stops every 15 seconds, and there's opportunism when offense and defense roles are set (for this reason alone it's not a sport at all). It's like one big choreographed parade (which, again, is why gay guys in Europe love it).

The truth.

I don't really understand this, but to each their own. I do find it ironic (if there is any truth to it, though it sounds more like bitter rambling) that american football would be considered the gay sport elsewhere, while what everone else calls football is considered the gay sport in America.

LOL at all the people saying they wouldn't let their sons play football. What are you going to lock up your kids and have them be total pussies? Kids get hurt and bang their head. I played football growing up and never had a concussion, but got two playing basketball and falling off my bike.
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Ja, I think the NFL is in deep shit. If it is true that the micro-concussions that players experience throughout their careers have serious negative effects, which seems likely, they are going to get sued up the yin-yang and will have to pay all the money they bring in on settling lawsuits. I doubt a players signed waiver of liability will protect the NFL, though I'd be interested in what the lawyers here say.

I've always found it interesting that the sports with the most protective pads, like Football and Ice Hockey, also have the most injuries. Not only more than sports like Soccer, but also more than hard impact games like Rugby. The reason put forward is that since everyone is wearing pads the level of "violence" is simply upped. But catch someone at the wrong angle and that force will break bones. Also, pads and helmets don't really adequately protect against concussion. Hence the NFL's problems.
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I played ice hockey from 10 to about 21, thankfully never had a serious injury. I did know some incredibly talented guys that had surgery on both knees and a slew of other injuries. Its nuts - every so often you'd play with a guy as a kid or a teen, and a few short years later - he's in the NHL or D1 and you're sitting at home masturbating lol.


In any case - football is not going away any time soon. You know why? Poverty.


Name me ONE NFL player from an affluent white collar family. You'll be struggling to.
However, with paid in full athletic scholarships being given away like candy, and with a minimum of hundreds of thousands of dollars given upon reaching the pros (even briefly), the allure of football to poorer kids will remain gigantic as a reliable way to escape poverty. Especially in an American economic downturn.

Look at other sports - Football is the best when it comes to:
1) College education
2) Immediate access to money
3) "Spots" available.

Basketball has 15 person rosters, with 2 rounds of the NBA draft and a developed college scholarship system.
Baseball - the MLB draft lasts 40 rounds, with most of the league toiling in some random small town playing in the minors before a select few get their shot. Big fish in a small pond indeed.
Hockey - 7 round draft for a 20 person roster, and most of the players (with the exception of the pure elites - Sydney Crosby, etc) toil in the minors for a few years). You can play in college after you are drafted, but the most elite Junior leagues (success in which helps with being drafted), are considered pro by the NCAA - so no free education for you!

Football, however, has 52 roster spots on the college and pro level, has 7 rounds of a professional draft to fill these slots, and while most NFL careers last as little as 2 years - those 2 years are when you are young, so you get to see the money right away.

Look at the NFL draft, especially outside the first round - its just a bunch of big ass families in a shed in shitsville michigan (or Mississippi, or Texas, whatever) drinking orange soda while the rest of the family is fat as fuck.


Yeah, rich, affluent families won't let their kids play football. Like that makes a difference.

Football isn't going anywhere.

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You are right, there isn't anythin manly about sitting in front of a tv all day, and watching other men play a game.... I don't know why or how the idea of being a football fan is an essential part of masculinity got started, but it's rediculous. Some of the biggest pussies I know are die hard football fans.
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I'm wondering what's going to happen with these MMA guys from the UFC down to local level when they get in their 40s and 50s

They've taken a lot more hard blows to the head than football players have

The sport is still relatively new so most of the competitors are still in their 20s and 30s and the damage hasn't really shown up yet

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(10-09-2013 04:29 PM)MrXY Wrote:  I'm wondering what's going to happen with these MMA guys from the UFC down to local level when they get in their 40s and 50s

They've taken a lot more hard blows to the head than football players have

The sport is still relatively new so most of the competitors are still in their 20s and 30s and the damage hasn't really shown up yet

Good question.
The thing with NFL guys is that their brains are getting rattled weekly throughout their careers (in some cases 20 years).
If that's the case for MMA guys than yes it could be.
And it's not just getting hit the to head. It has to with the brain shaking around in the skull (like when linemen collide).
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(10-09-2013 04:29 PM)MrXY Wrote:  The sport is still relatively new so most of the competitors are still in their 20s and 30s and the damage hasn't really shown up yet

Gonna be a real problem down the road. I mean shit, look at fisto. He ACTUALLY thinks he is better looking and gets more girls than me. Something got knocked loose up there.
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(10-09-2013 04:29 PM)MrXY Wrote:  I'm wondering what's going to happen with these MMA guys from the UFC down to local level when they get in their 40s and 50s

They've taken a lot more hard blows to the head than football players have

The sport is still relatively new so most of the competitors are still in their 20s and 30s and the damage hasn't really shown up yet

It's still early, but most signs point to MMA being safer than boxing. In MMA if you get knocked down, your opponent gets on top and throws one or two more shots and the fight is over. In boxing, you get knocked down and encouraged to get up. If you manage that, you get a standing 8 and continue to get punched in the face. In football, it used to be that if you were walking, you were expected to be in the game. Troy Aikman has no recollection of playing in Super Bowl XXVIII because of the concussion he suffered the week before in the NFC Championship game.

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I think it's funny that ANYONE ever ever presumed football was a SAFE sport to begin with.

Who are they kidding?

I can't believe that ANYONE ever considered football a safe sport, least of all the players who are getting pummeled and see stars every time their tackled.
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Newsflash! This just in! MMA and boxing may be harmful to your health!

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No one considers any contact sport safe.

However men aren't always risk averse, but you do learn a lot about yourself when your muscles burn with lactic acid, minor corks have your limbs dead, you're constantly sucking in air due to an oxygen deficit.... and so is your opponent, but somehow your mind tells your body to overcome this pain.

You build a great deal of comraderie when you know your teammate beside you is also overcoming pain because he doesn't want to let you down.

It may be the recklessness of youth in men, but hey we don't live forever. Males have always taken on risk and always will.
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I believe that too much contact with men causes gayness. Wrestling, football, ect. Not only on the field but you grab ass and then shower. Do boxers/fighters/warriors do this? Fuck no. You are killing your opponent, then shower alone, then go fuck bitches. Spending too much time in the gym is the same. Familiarity. Too much testosterone concentrated in one area. Not healthy. Look back at Rome, Greece, Sparta, ect. and look at how they promoted the athletes poking each other in the butt. Don't believe me? Google gay porn. Pro athletes are babied with curfews. They are stuck together w/out pussy. Unnatural.

Again, I see too many athletes turning gay. Not carpenters. How does that compute? *

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Come on guys. What's going on here is simple.

Of course football is not "safe". Of course spending your life being hit hard in the head and elsewhere by huge bodies has "risks". Give me a break, this is not news to anyone, including the players.

The technique of the academics who are driving this and their allies in the media such as PBS is always the same. Do a "study" that will show what everyone already knows, that there are "concussions" and other bad things associated with this activity. Then hammer this "study" as if this was some discovery of the evil at the heart of football (or hockey or other sports they're going after). Problematize this and shame normal people into feeling guilty about being into this violent sport. Then use this shaming to legislate the sport out of existence or at least destroy any possible pleasure anyone can derive from it. The shaming is backed by the twinned authority of "the science" (because "studies"), and "ethics" (because concussions are bad). Never mind that the "science" in this case is at best what everyone always knew, and the ethics amounts to the idea that no risks are ever justified for any reason.

It's the same technique as with other things. Suddenly it is discovered that boys engage in "bullying", as if this was something that was never realized before. "Studies" are done to show that bullying is a very widespread problem. Then the results of these nonsense studies showing nothing more than what everyone already knows are used to problematize the idea of "bullying" and basically regulate normal male childhood out of existence or take all the fun out of it.

See how this works? It's not that hard to understand. This study/shame/legislate sequence is simple and effective. Why wouldn't they repeat it over and over?

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