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Will PBS Deliver the death blow to the NFL?
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RE: Will PBS Deliver the death blow to the NFL?
(10-09-2013 07:53 AM)bojangles Wrote:  
(10-09-2013 03:42 AM)jaakkeli Wrote:  
(10-09-2013 03:10 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  Oh wait, I just watched 4 hours of all men tackling each other. Does that make me more straight?

American football is a gay niche in the rest of the world. I'm not saying that to insult the "sport" (I'll insult the sport later) but it's truth. If you watch a local gay parade (hard not to if you live where I live) the odds are you'll spot a few guys wearing American football gear. It's campy, it's comically masculine, so gay guys love it and straight men would be ashamed to be associated with it in any way. If it's not a gay thing in America, it's probably because all the gay guys over there are bitter about being bullied but not butt fucked by the football players at school.

Of all the American sports, football is the one that I can't comprehend at all. Basketball is great, ice hockey is great, baseball is fine though not my thing. But football is not even remotely sport-like. There's no flow, it stops every 15 seconds, and there's opportunism when offense and defense roles are set (for this reason alone it's not a sport at all). It's like one big choreographed parade (which, again, is why gay guys in Europe love it).

The truth.

Right. Catch one across the middle in the NFL, then come back and tell me how "gay" it is.

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You know why they don't wear helmets and pads in rugby? Because there's hardly any hitting, it's mostly wrestling and grab-ass. You know why they have to in football? Because the sport is lethal if you don't.

Having said that, i saw the thing. Totally unnecessary "sexism" discussion regarding the female doctor's presentation on CTE. But the NFL certainly wasn't up front about concussions. Goodell is a scumbag. Look at his wife and social circle. All Fox news propaganda and corporate types. You can't expect straight answers and square dealing from someone of that ilk. Hell, he's the SON OF A POLITICIAN for fuck's sake. Crooked as a question mark.

My issue is not whether or not the sport is dangerous. I know it's dangerous, that's what makes it entertaining. The question is will it be legally banned. Wealthy soccer moms shoving their kids into soccer will NOT hurt the sport. The league is 77% Black, people. Most of the players do not come from soccer mom land. Their moms want out of Overtown, Watts, and Bed-Stuy. As long as football can provide that, there will be no drop off in talent. But if the female vote can pressure congress into banning the sport, then it's all the more reason to start pricing condos in Bocagrande Cartagena.
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The title of the OP is a sort of misleading.
PBS aired a Frontline-produced investigative journalism piece that demonstrates that the NFL hid what they knew about correlation between playing football and severe brain trauma (Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy). If anyone watched it, you'd see that the players themselves sued the NFL over this and settled for over 700 million $.
And in spite of this documentary, I think the NFL will be just fine...
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They shouldn't blame sexism. It sounds like it was her presentation skills. She expected the work to speak for itself. It never does.
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(10-09-2013 10:15 PM)JimNortonFan Wrote:  They shouldn't blame sexism. It sounds like it was her presentation skills. She expected the work to speak for itself. It never does.

And she was speaking to a decidedly hostile audience. Einstein would have gotten just as cold a reception.
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(10-09-2013 03:42 AM)jaakkeli Wrote:  Of all the American sports, football is the one that I can't comprehend at all. Basketball is great, ice hockey is great, baseball is fine though not my thing. But football is not even remotely sport-like. There's no flow, it stops every 15 seconds, and there's opportunism when offense and defense roles are set (for this reason alone it's not a sport at all). It's like one big choreographed parade (which, again, is why gay guys in Europe love it).

The violence in football belies the fact that it is also one of, if not the most cerebral professional sports. It's an extremely tactical game, and even most fans don't understand the nuts and bolts of what goes on in terms of offensive and defensive player formations and play calling. The fact that football has a lot of stops and starts doesn't mean it's somehow a lesser sport, it's just a different one. It's basically a hybrid of a turn-based and real-time game. Each side takes turns positioning their players then runs a play in real time to see which side can execute better and either gain or defend territory. As someone else said earlier, it's essentially a microcosm of warfare. The quarterback is the field general attempting to lead his army through enemy territory in order to reach the objective (end zone). If you're going to call football a choreographed gay parade, you must also call a coordinated military assault a gay parade, because it's essentially the same principle behind each.

A lot of Europeans don't like football because they were raised to appreciate the "beauty" of soccer instead. And while it's true that in general soccer is a more "beautiful" game than football, it's also irrelevant. Because the beauty of football is not in its beauty. It's in its appreciating the strategy, tactical execution and sheer athletic feats of the men playing. Soccer is a game much more about finesse, while football is about dominating your opponent both physically (with hard hits) and mentally (with better plays). In that sense it's a much more aggressive game, which also suits the American temperament more than the European.

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RE: Will PBS Deliver the death blow to the NFL?
(10-09-2013 01:31 PM)Bad Hussar Wrote:  Ja, I think the NFL is in deep shit. If it is true that the micro-concussions that players experience throughout their careers have serious negative effects, which seems likely, they are going to get sued up the yin-yang and will have to pay all the money they bring in on settling lawsuits. I doubt a players signed waiver of liability will protect the NFL, though I'd be interested in what the lawyers here say.

If the league demanded a waiver, it would be impossible for them to claim that they didn't know about the risks.

At what age do the big league teams tend to get involved in an athelete's career in American football? Here the top sport is ice hockey and the national league teams recruit the most promising youths from local teams before they're 10 years old. There's no way they could sign any legally binding waver. But then, the NHL and the Russia league tend to recruit the best national talent with the big money when they're teenagers and just about to become legal adults, so the big leagues would be somewhat immune to damage.

In any case, all these leagues tend to have old guys in charge and they'll favour stalling to minimize present damage over long term survival. They'll just calculate that while blatantly hiding the evidence and denying the risks might doom the league to crippling lawsuits a few decades in the future, by that time they'll be retired.
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(10-09-2013 03:42 AM)jaakkeli Wrote:  Of all the American sports, football is the one that I can't comprehend at all. Basketball is great, ice hockey is great, baseball is fine though not my thing. But football is not even remotely sport-like. There's no flow, it stops every 15 seconds, and there's opportunism when offense and defense roles are set (for this reason alone it's not a sport at all). It's like one big choreographed parade (which, again, is why gay guys in Europe love it).

Calling football a parade is a good way to troll Americans but it's nothing close to reality. Also you have a wierd definition of the word "sport". A sport is an athletic activity requiring skill and physical prowess. Team sports are usually games as well. There's nothing about opportunism one way or the other.

Taken as a whole, NFL football is a mix of strategic, tactical, athletic, skill and competitive elements that are easily observed by people watching. Every down, the offense executes an elaborate plan and the defense runs a counter-plan. Every play executed can be measured a success or failure. Downs can be easily analyzed to see what went right, what went wrong, who made mistakes and whose superior athleticism or skill overcame odds (spectacular catches, tackles, passes, evasions, and so on). Randomness is reduced compared to most games with "flow," but anyone who thinks it's eliminated altogether obviously never actually watches the game.

The offense must earn every first down all the way down the field. You can call plays choreographed, you can call it dangerous, which are both reasons why football is so much more enjoyable to watch than lesser sports, but you can't call it a parade. It's extremely competitive.
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(10-10-2013 08:52 AM)Blaster Wrote:  Taken as a whole, NFL football is a mix of strategic, tactical, athletic, skill and competitive elements that are easily observed by people watching. Every down, the offense executes an elaborate plan and the defense runs a counter-plan.

Incidentally, this shouldn't be taken to mean that I disagree with scorpion about this:

Quote:even most fans don't understand the nuts and bolts of what goes on in terms of offensive and defensive player formations and play calling.

Just because fans can see and understand tactical elements involved in a typical NFL play at a high level doesn't necessarily mean they understand every detail or implication.
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