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"The case against Female self esteem"
This article seems to be making quite an impact, just look at the comments, personally although I do not generally disagree with some of it, he sounded too negative, somewhat bitter too. To me this wasn't quite well put and it is somewhat exaggerated. But opinions may diverge!

http://mattforney.com/2013/09/16/the-cas...lf-esteem/

Quote:I’m just gonna come out and say it: I love insecure women.

Whenever a girl I’m talking to brags about how she’s “confident” and “strong,” I can feel my dick deflating like a punctured tire. I’d still bang her, of course; a repellent personality doesn’t negate the fact that she has a slammin’ body. But a crucial part of the attraction is lost. I’d be less offended if she ripped a fart in my face.

The idea that women should have self-esteem or need it, beyond a low baseline to ensure they don’t commit suicide or become psycho stalkers, is one of the most disastrous social engineering experiments of the modern era. A woman with excessive confidence is like a man with a vagina. It’s an attribute that is at best superfluous and at worst prevents women from fulfilling their natural biological and social functions.

In order for America to right itself, there needs to be a massive and concerted war on female self-esteem.


From the moment they’re old enough to speak, girls in America are bombarded with propaganda that artificially boosts their self-esteem. They’re told that they’re shpecial and you-nique because they have an extra X chromosome. They’re told that they’re smart, that they can do anything, that they deserve respect merely for existing. They’re encouraged to derive self-worth not from their inherent feminine nature but from their college degree, their job or the other illusory trappings of achievement in a man’s world.

Combine this with the white-knighting tendencies of fathers and the sexual attention that attractive girls already get from puberty forward and you have a complete social meltdown in the making.

Here are my reasons why girls should be discouraged from being confident.

1. Most girls have done nothing to deserve self-esteem.
In the world of men, respect—and by extension self-esteem—is based on actually achieving something of worth or having some kind of skill or talent. Are you a bodybuilder or jacked? Men and women will respect you because the effort to mold your body like that requires an enormous amount of work and dedication. Being a talented musician, an experienced world traveler, a high-earning tradesman; these and more engender respect from your fellow man and self-esteem along with it. No one respects a fat video game-playing kid who lives in his parents’ basement, and why should they?

There’s absolutely no skill or work involved in pissing away your life eating Doritos and jacking off into a tube sock.

Women claim they want equal rights as men, but they don’t want equal responsibilities. As such, they demand respect not based on their merit as people, but for merely continuing to breathe. Most girls’ so-called achievements, the ones they take pride in, are complete jokes. Wow, you have a master’s degree in puppetry? In a world where everyone and their mother has a college degree—and where college curriculums have been dumbed down to the point of inanity—being able to squeak through an institution of higher learning is no great achievement.

If anything, having a college degree is a strike against a girl—unless it’s in something real like a STEM discipline—as it shows that she’s a conformist who thinks that credentials are a substitute for knowledge and experience.

The same goes for having a job. The vast majority of girls work useless fluff jobs: government bureaucrats, human resources and various other makework positions that exist to give them the illusion of independence. The jobs that keep the country running—tradesmen, miners, farmers, policemen, the military—are still overwhelmingly dominated by men. If every girl was fired from her job tomorrow, elementary schools would have to shut down for a couple days, but otherwise life would go on as usual.

If every man lost his job tomorrow, the country would collapse.

Feminists can screech as loud as they want, but they will never change this fundamental reality; men accord respect based on merit, and if girls want to play in our world, they’ll have to obey our rules. Otherwise, they know where the kitchen is. I have more respect for the starving artist couple busking down the street from my house than I do for all the career-driven, Strong, Independent Women™ in the world. Being able to sing and play guitar well is no small achievement, and the buskers are actually providing a useful service to the world.

2. Insecurity is integral to femininity.
I was thinking about a couple of my past relationships when I had this epiphany; the girls I’ve loved the most were the ones who were the most insecure, the most emotionally vulnerable. When I first went on a date with the only girl I would have ever married, her hands were trembling in nervousness. She later admitted that she was openly intimidated by me and the idea that I found her attractive. She had been an ugly duckling in high school, forty pounds overweight and used to being ignored and mocked; I had met her shortly after she’d lost the weight, when she still viewed the world through a fat girl’s eyes.

Insecurity is the natural state of woman. How could it be anything else? Given their lack of physical strength, a woman on her own should be frightened as hell without men to protect her. If society were to collapse, all the Strong, Independent Women™ who read Jezebel and xoJane would last about five minutes before they either found a man to cling onto or got raped and killed. In the bellum omnium contra omnes that is mankind’s default existence, a woman who is alone is a woman who is already dead.

One of the most commonly repeated tropes of feminists and manboobs goes something like this:

“You should be happy that women nowadays are independent, because it means that they’re with you because they WANT to be with you, not because they’re dependent on you.”

This is a fundamental violation of the relationship between men and women. Part of our identity as men based in women needing us, if not necessarily in a material sense, then in an emotional one, though material and emotional vulnerability often go hand in hand. That female insecurity is a crucial ingredient for unlocking our inner masculine instincts. If a girl needs me, feels that her life would end if she were to lose me, I’m doubly inspired to be there for her, to shield her from the cruelty of the world. Frankly, it’s pretty hot. If she just wants me, could take me or leave me, my gut response is one of apathy. “Yeah, whatever babe.”

Confidence doesn’t give men erections; vulnerability does.

In order to love someone else, you need to be emotionally vulnerable, more so women than men (as girls are attracted to confident men). You need to be willing to open yourself up, to give yourself over to their judgment, to risk being hurt and rejected. Without this emotional openness, any relationship you have will never go beyond the infatuation stage. But girls today are told to erect gigantic walls around their hearts, cutting them off from an crucial part of their humanity. The emotional dissonance from this feminist social engineering is why antidepressant usage and mental illness are skyrocketing among young women. Ordinarily a depressed or insecure girl would seek solace in the loving embrace of a man, but daily hits from her good friend Saint Xanax short-circuit her feminine instincts.

In squelching her inborn insecurity with you-go-grrlisms and drugs, the modern woman has become an emotional cripple. Like a fat slob eating Big Macs instead of a juicy steak from the supermarket, she substitutes having a dominant and confident man in her life with lotsa cocka and dating where she considers herself an “equal.” She views men as a life support system for a penis, an accoutrement, no different than her Manolo Blahniks or snazzy new iPhone. When she gets bored of her boy-toy, she tosses him in the trash and moves on to a newer, shinier model, and if she can get cash and prizes for trading in her old clunker, that’s just the icing on the cake.

Essentially, “confident” women are incapable of viewing men as human beings.

When manboobs and feminists say you should be happy that women today are “independent,” this is what they’re arguing for; a world in which romantic relationships are impossible. Where men are nothing more than fashion items to help women show how cool or sophisticated they are. Sorry, but homie don’t play that game. If I’m not the center of a girl’s world, I’m not going to be in her world period.

I can already see the Jizzabellers angrily pounding away at their Macbooks: “You just can’t handle a Strong, Independent Woman™!” We men can handle you just fine; the problem is that we don’t want to. So-called confident women are as threatening as a pile of dog turds. Sure, you can scrape them off your boots when you get home, but it’s better to not step in dog shit to begin with.

3. Women don’t want to have high self-esteem.
This is the kicker; in their bones, girls know that their toxic, feminist you-go-grrl ideology is a lie. Why do you think the average urban slut machine is downing enough Prozac to poison the water supply? Pharmacological assistance is the only way she can make it through her day without slitting her wrists, or alternately realizing that her life is a complete lie. Every day, women show through their actions that they despise their strong, independent lives.

They want nothing more than for a man to throw them over his knee, shatter the Berlin Wall around their hearts, and expose the lovestruck, bashful little girl within.

Game, at least as it was conceived by the seduction community, was all about this. All the hysterical nitwits blubbering about how “negging” and the like was designed to hurt girls’ self-esteem were precisely right, but that’s the thing; women are crying out for a man who will wound their self-esteem. “Confident” women are still women, and they still lust after men who dominate them, even if they can’t admit it to themselves. Because their self-esteem has been artificially boosted by society, today’s girls need extra-concentrated doses of dominance—i.e. game—in order to feel womanly, like a junkie chasing the dragon.

Recently, Noisey wrote about the explosion of retro sixties-style girl groups and solo singers in the indie rock scene, such as the Dum Dum Girls, Vivian Girls and Lana Del Rey. Feminism supposedly freed women to do whatever they wanted, yet indie girl musicians today—the kinds who started as garage bands and write/produce all their own songs—just want to wear their hair in beehives and pretend that they’re still sixteen years old.

Noisey and other mainstream writers try to spin this depressing reality by emphasizing that at least the girls are choosing to sing about boys. It’s not unlike how homeless winos keep “choosing” to pickle their livers with Wild Irish Rose. “I CAN QUIT ANYTIME I WANT TO!!!!!11″ Every song Best Coast has ever come up with is about boyfriends and smoking pot at the beach. Vivian Girls has a song about waiting for your boyfriend to call, a cliche that was old and moldy before Dennis Wilson bit the dust. Hell, Vivian Girls’ bassist Katy Goodman did an entire album with her side group La Sera that was about a breakup.

Real life fails the Bechdel test.

Feminists can claim that women don’t need men, but their actions put the lie to that; they need us far more than we need them. Girls will all but die without masculine attention. Hell, I’m even starting to think that the feminist agita about “rape culture” is part of this as well. Pushing lies like the claim that one in three women will be raped during her lifetime and their constantly expanding the definition of rape are ways for feminists to indulge their desire for vulnerability in a way that doesn’t conflict with their view of themselves as “strong” and “empowered.”

At the end of the day, there are no Strong, Independent Women™. There are only shrews pleading for a taming. All the posturing, the pill-popping, the whining and demands for “equality”; they’re a cry for help. Girls don’t want the six-figure cubicle job, the shiny Brooklyn 2BR, the master’s degree, the sexual liberation, none of it. They want to be collectively led back to the kitchen, told to make a nice big tuna sandwich with extra mayo and lettuce, then swatted on the ass as we walk out the door.

I say we give them what they want.

"Christian love bears evil, but it does not tolerate it. It does penance for the sins of others, but it is not broadminded about sin. Real love involves real hatred: whoever has lost the power of moral indignation and the urge to drive the sellers from temples has also lost a living, fervent love of Truth."

- Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen
10-11-2013 01:35 PM
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RE: "The case against Female self esteem"
It was a good article.

Thought this was interesting but soliphistic rebuttal.

http://judgybitch.com/2013/10/11/its-not...ves-to-be/
10-11-2013 01:40 PM
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RE: "The case against Female self esteem"
I skimmed through the rebuttal, not that bad, considering what could have happened!

"Christian love bears evil, but it does not tolerate it. It does penance for the sins of others, but it is not broadminded about sin. Real love involves real hatred: whoever has lost the power of moral indignation and the urge to drive the sellers from temples has also lost a living, fervent love of Truth."

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10-11-2013 01:43 PM
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RE: "The case against Female self esteem"
Was called a sexist asshole today by a female co-worker who still wanted to go out for drinks. Add bitter to my description because i totally agree with Mr Forney's article.Dodgy

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10-11-2013 06:26 PM
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RE: "The case against Female self esteem"
Agree that it is a bit extreme, but some excellent points, I did like this article a lot.
10-11-2013 10:27 PM
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RE: "The case against Female self esteem"
(10-11-2013 06:26 PM)Kingsley Davis Wrote:  Was called a sexist asshole today by a female co-worker who still wanted to go out for drinks. Add bitter to my description because i totally agree with Mr Forney's article.Dodgy

A bitch can hate your guts and still love fucking you. It's just the way some women are.

Having said that, I think the author is sitting on some thermo-nuclear rage.
10-11-2013 10:31 PM
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RE: "The case against Female self esteem"
I like to listen to Matt's podcasts. He kind of reminds me of Mark Levin. He doesn't do a lot of stuff about women and such on them, he talks about current issues, business, and politics. He's a very smart and well researched guy. His delivery is quite passionate and explosive, he's angry because there's reason to be. I just think he likes being inflammatory just to be inflammatory, my brother is the same way.

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10-11-2013 10:41 PM
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RE: "The case against Female self esteem"
Wow, Matt Forney is a talented writer. I love the dog shit part.

What he's saying is true though. Nature is all about BALANCE. Man is dominant and woman is submissive. What today's crazy feminazi bull-dykes and mangina enablers are pushing is ruining that balance. Why do you think our world is the way it is?

Yin & yang is a real thing. See it everywhere around you. Hot & cold, life & dead, tall & short, etc. Life is all about duality. One part needs another for balance.
10-13-2013 05:47 PM
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RE: "The case against Female self esteem"
I think Matt's a great writer and like his output. I get everything he's saying here, and agree with it. The only tweak I'd make to his article is to replace the word "self-esteem" with "arrogance" or "over-confidence". By using the word "self-esteem", he's opening himself up to attack by shitheads who will misinterpret or twist his points. Dickheads like Manboobz will pluck sentences and words out of context and try to make him look like a lunatic.

Self-esteem is generally a good quality, and I have no problem with girls who have a positive self-image. Chicks lacking in self-esteem are complete nut-jobs. The problem is not self-esteem in itself, but the ridiculously hyper self-esteem that is force-fed to girls today. All this girl-power bullshit has turned them into lunatics who have no basic social skills.

I think what Matt really means here is that he doesn't like the OVER-confident, and HYPER-self-esteem bitches that our society is spawning in the millions. It's this FAKE self-confidence, and hyper self-esteem that leads them to think they're the rulers of the universe.

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RE: "The case against Female self esteem"
I think he purposely exaggerated to drive home his point. Women still NEED men...and WANT them. Even with the money they make, they still want a man to make more and foot the bill for them, so they can selfishly indulge themselves on what they make. They'll claim that men can't handle a woman that makes more, but it's really more about them not wanting the responsibilities and weight that come with being the bread-winner. They resent paying a man's way, and don't respect a man that can't carry the load financially.

They confuse strength with simply being combative towards men. "Challenging" him on the most inconsequential matters, just for the sake of being difficult. They want a man to make the decisions, but want to reserve the right to micromanage and criticize what he does. They claim to want a strong man that "knows what he wants" and takes the lead, but when he does he's a controlling brute. As some of you stated...it's fake confidence. It's an act, a role they've been told they have to play, whether or not it's actually in their individual nature.

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RE: "The case against Female self esteem"
Quintus hit it right on the head. Substituting one or two words and nobody is that upset.

Then again, if he had done that, he wouldn't have amassed 180k+ hits and brought his host down!

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