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RE: Real Men vs Underwear Models (Dove style campaign for beta males)
I work out for health reasons

For the last 26 months I decided to put on muscle weight.

Why?

To attract not only more woman and hotter woman without opening my mouth. It works.

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10-13-2013 03:20 PM
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This thread is very gay.
10-13-2013 06:08 PM
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Do men even buy shit based on viewing homo-erotic ads like this? I always thought these ads were more for women to say to their man, "hey you should get this" or for women to buy for their men.
10-13-2013 06:39 PM
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Men's magazines in general are extremely gay. The only valid reason I think any guys should have so-called "men's" magazines are for style tips and understanding modern trends with dressing sharp.

But everything else; the anecdotal workout tips, the bullshit health tips, the interviews with models, the "how to blow her mind in bed" bullshit...it's all just Cosmopolitan for Men. I'm talking Maxim and FHM here. They offer a dilettante's "how-to" perspective when it comes to stuff like smoking cigars, drinking cocktails, working out, dressing right, having sex, but all of it is just regurgitated garbage with a subtle, but potent, blue-pill indoctrination behind all of it.

"...so I gave her an STD, and she STILL wanted to bang me."

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10-13-2013 07:09 PM
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RE: Real Men vs Underwear Models (Dove style campaign for beta males)
Who wants to have some size so that muggers and thugs will find easier prey?

Who wants better bone density so you don't break a hip in old age?

Or higher serotonin, which lifts mood?

Or better boners, as lifting improves blood flow to all area of the body?

Or to avoid a stroke?

Or as a an outlet for aggression?

NONE OF US!

We only lift for the ladies.

The only thing strong on this thread is the insecurity.
10-13-2013 08:52 PM
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(10-12-2013 11:19 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  Tons of guys out there are influenced by media images of ideal men.




To prove your point about media influence, you use Fight Club - a movie!

Here's a hint. Fight Club was produced by Hollywood. That makes it a media image portraying an ideal man (in this case an anti-hero and nihilist).

Funny.

So you bravely reject one media image by...accepting another media image.

You are still so stuck in the Matrix that you can't even seen left from right.
10-13-2013 08:55 PM
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For me going to the gym needs to be for a plethora of reasons, because just to go for 1-2 reasons isn't worth all the effort. Except for Pro athletes, no one has to go to the gym for strength reasons, but may need to for appearance at their job or health issues. The rest is for "want" reasons.

The funny part is if the UFC didn't have weight classes like when it first started, once you surpass and certain size, typically it works against you in a fight and you may loose because of it.

If you want to go for the underwear model look just to pic up chicks, you're missing the point IMHO.
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(10-13-2013 12:27 AM)Therapsid Wrote:  The Greeks and to a lesser extent the Romans are the outliers. Most cultures did not idealize muscular men. Look at medieval European,

You do realize that the medieval European era was a period in time when then Church taught the culture to reject the body and to accept Christ/the spirit? That's why images are all of stick figures.

And that the Renaissance Era was a rejection this model and thus started praising the human form?

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/renaissan...stics.html

Have you ever taken an art history class or read a book on the subject?

You should. You'd then have a valid opinion on the subject. Plus, it's interesting to read how culture influences art.
10-13-2013 09:02 PM
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(10-13-2013 09:02 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  
(10-13-2013 12:27 AM)Therapsid Wrote:  The Greeks and to a lesser extent the Romans are the outliers. Most cultures did not idealize muscular men. Look at medieval European,

You do realize that the medieval European era was a period in time when then Church taught the culture to reject the body and to accept Christ/the spirit? That's why images are all of stick figures.

And that the Renaissance Era was a rejection this model and thus started praising the human form?

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/renaissan...stics.html

Have you ever taken an art history class or read a book on the subject?

You should. You'd then have a valid opinion on the subject. Plus, it's interesting to read how culture influences art.

You're right. But most cultures taught the same philosophy.

This is why Buddhist and Hindu statues show amorphous figures without distinct musculature.

The Greeks were the weird ones to idealize the human form.

And again, I can't but wonder if Greek homosexuality was behind this. Even the Romans gradually de-emphasized the ideal male body.
10-13-2013 09:07 PM
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I feel like I am reading jezebel right now.

Or watching a Planet Fitness commercial.

Going to the gym and gaining muscle is hard. Sitting at home and snipping on your betters is easy.

When your argument boils down to, "I agree with feminists about society's unrealistic beauty standards, so I'm just gonna sit at home and be a skinny fat dork," you may want to reconsider your position.
10-13-2013 09:09 PM
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(10-13-2013 09:07 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  You're right. But most cultures taught the same philosophy.

This is why Buddhist and Hindu statues show amorphous figures without distinct musculature.

The Greeks were the weird ones to idealize the human form.

And again, I can't but wonder if Greek homosexuality was behind this. Even the Romans gradually de-emphasized the ideal male body.

Why have you wondered twice now about homosexuality? Do rock hard bodies turn you on?

Anyhow, societies that elevate superstition above reason do as you note. They denigrate the body and praise imaginary gods, Jesus the Zombie, and other nonsense.

Societies that elevate reason (Greece, Rome) praise the human body as an expression of the human will and human spirit.
10-13-2013 09:11 PM
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(10-13-2013 09:07 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  You're right. But most cultures taught the same philosophy.

This is why Buddhist and Hindu statues show amorphous figures without distinct musculature.

The Greeks were the weird ones to idealize the human form.

And again, I can't but wonder if Greek homosexuality was behind this. Even the Romans gradually de-emphasized the ideal male body.

Are you sure that isn't because the males in those societies (Indians and Asians) don't have much distinct musculature to begin with?
10-13-2013 10:33 PM
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3, 2, 1 race thread....
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RE: Real Men vs Underwear Models (Dove style campaign for beta males)
OK it's pretty simple.

Muscles are power
No, they are not all you need and they won't magically transform you into a badass.
You also don't need to approach the steroid physique to reap the rewards.

Men will respect a powerful presence
You walk through the club or across the street and you will notice that other men notice you.
Head nods of respect.

Women love power
No, they don't prefer the buff waiter over the normal CEO per se. It's not either-or but an addition.
Yes, game works because women look for more than just looks. But muscles are more than looks, they're effectors.
And for short-term mating they want the fighter, the physically superior man who can throw them around.

You will feel better with this power
Your body is the way your mind can affect the world around you.
When the spoken word is challenged, the backup comes from your physical stature and you know it.
The laws and morals of a country are nothing without the threat of state sanctioned violence to protect it.

And if done right, it's fun to do and you meet cool people.
Don't sweat it though, the less other people train, the quicker we stand out.
10-14-2013 12:45 AM
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(10-13-2013 07:09 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Men's magazines in general are extremely gay. The only valid reason I think any guys should have so-called "men's" magazines are for style tips and understanding modern trends with dressing sharp.

But everything else; the anecdotal workout tips, the bullshit health tips, the interviews with models, the "how to blow her mind in bed" bullshit...it's all just Cosmopolitan for Men. I'm talking Maxim and FHM here. They offer a dilettante's "how-to" perspective when it comes to stuff like smoking cigars, drinking cocktails, working out, dressing right, having sex, but all of it is just regurgitated garbage with a subtle, but potent, blue-pill indoctrination behind all of it.

Men's magazines are aimed at people who are incabable of committing to improving themselves.
  • A good exercise plan needs dedication for months, but the magazines always push the "workout of the week" mentality.
  • Well chosen clothes last and will look good for years, the magazines say you need "this season's hot look".
  • Becoming an expert in any field needs years of study and practice, the magazines have "10 top tips to look like a master".
There is an air of submission in the magazines, an acknowledgement that your daily life is unfulfilling, and you need to constantly find temporary respite from the crushing monotony.


To get back to the original topic, being muscular doesn't magically transform you into an alpha wolf - there's plenty of jacked betas as evidence - but it does make you different, and take you away from average. Just like game knowledge, you still have to build on that foundation and commit to improvement.

"I'd hate myself if I had that kind of attitude, if I were that weak." - Arnold
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What is this discussion about?

Looks matters and working out or doing sports is an essential part of a successful life.
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(10-13-2013 12:27 AM)Therapsid Wrote:  ...

Look at sculptures and paintings from the rest of the world in ancient and medieval times.

The Greeks and to a lesser extent the Romans are the outliers. Most cultures did not idealize muscular men. Look at medieval European, Chinese, Persian, Indian, Mayan art, etc. In fact, as far as art went, they did not even exist. It'd be an interesting study to figure out why this is.
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Edit: To speculate, maybe the Greeks idealized muscular men because they also normalized homosexuality more than other civilizations. Gay men are superficial about men like we are about women.

I think that the simpler answer is that the non-Roman and non-Greek cultures you refer to where just crap at representational art. Their art didn't represent ideal bodies because they were not skilled enough to actually represent ideal, or any other, bodies. e.g. A lot of tribal art is very crude. Male figures with oversized penises. Females with oversized boobs. Basically crude fertility symbols. IMO If they could have done it (represent ideal bodies) they would have.
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The guys on the left look to be in decent shape. The guy on the upper left looks like a power lifter.

Are any of us that controlled by the media that we feel shame for not conforming?

I work out for the benefit of not feeling stagnated and working towards a goal. I like the added side benefit of getting a desireable body but the mental health aspect of working out is really what keeps me coming back to the gym.

I took time off to remember what an average life of 3 meals a day and no gym felt like. I ran back to the gym right after my muscles started tightening up.
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