Read The Forum Rules: We have a clear set of rules to keep the forum running smoothly. Click here to review them.

Post Reply 
Must see documentary: National Geographic on alpha males
Author Message
soup Offline
Owl
******
Gold Member

Posts: 11,058
Joined: Jul 2011
Reputation: 118
Post: #51
RE: Must see documentary: National Geographic on alpha males
(10-23-2013 11:18 PM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  
(10-15-2013 11:45 AM)Every10GivesMeA10 Wrote:  



-They did couple of experiments in which they put individuals in random,often tricky situation,and watched their behavior.
-Former interrogator was observing them ,put them in rather uncomfortable situations and observed their reactions.
-Basically the lesson is your voice,your posture , and the way you act will determine what role you have

Check out 26:00 when the girl arrives. Very interesting documentary

The experimental results were too perfect. Nothing ever goes that well according to theory.

I am going to say that the experiments in this documentary were staged, and were not experiments at all.

Especially with that Gorilla running around, and no one bothered to pick one of the many tables and chairs lying around to use as weapons in case of attack. That just seemed very odd and unnatural to me.

The Nigerian dude throwing around papers, and the other dudes picking them up... Yeah right. Either it's fake or Western civilization is in a deeper rut than I realised. And how amazing that these 6 'random' people did everything exactly according to the show's premise, and there were exactly 3 'alphas' vs 3 'betas'.

And the 'get-out-of-my-box' situation: I find it extremely difficult to believe that you'd get 100% fail rate and then suddenly switch to a 100% success rate. Surely at least one person would have walked through and said, "Whatever."

Reality never fits theory that perfectly.

The only realistic parts of this show were the animal segments.

You are looking for something that isn't there.

None of this is stage except the fake monkey.

Are you trolling?
10-24-2013 03:09 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
Thomas the Rhymer Offline
Ostrich
****
Gold Member

Posts: 2,058
Joined: Feb 2012
Reputation: 114
Post: #52
RE: Must see documentary: National Geographic on alpha males
(10-24-2013 03:09 AM)soup Wrote:  
(10-23-2013 11:18 PM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  
(10-15-2013 11:45 AM)Every10GivesMeA10 Wrote:  



-They did couple of experiments in which they put individuals in random,often tricky situation,and watched their behavior.
-Former interrogator was observing them ,put them in rather uncomfortable situations and observed their reactions.
-Basically the lesson is your voice,your posture , and the way you act will determine what role you have

Check out 26:00 when the girl arrives. Very interesting documentary

The experimental results were too perfect. Nothing ever goes that well according to theory.

I am going to say that the experiments in this documentary were staged, and were not experiments at all.

Especially with that Gorilla running around, and no one bothered to pick one of the many tables and chairs lying around to use as weapons in case of attack. That just seemed very odd and unnatural to me.

The Nigerian dude throwing around papers, and the other dudes picking them up... Yeah right. Either it's fake or Western civilization is in a deeper rut than I realised. And how amazing that these 6 'random' people did everything exactly according to the show's premise, and there were exactly 3 'alphas' vs 3 'betas'.

And the 'get-out-of-my-box' situation: I find it extremely difficult to believe that you'd get 100% fail rate and then suddenly switch to a 100% success rate. Surely at least one person would have walked through and said, "Whatever."

Reality never fits theory that perfectly.

The only realistic parts of this show were the animal segments.

You are looking for something that isn't there.

None of this is stage except the fake monkey.

Are you trolling?

I am saying that this is television entertainment, and I doubt its validity. It's meant to entertain, not educate, and I know some 'reality' shows have been exposed as being fake, and I suspect the same here.

A beginner's guide to jobhunting and networking
10-24-2013 05:12 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes Thomas the Rhymer's post:
EsperZebrah
pitt Offline
Hummingbird
*****
Gold Member

Posts: 3,024
Joined: Apr 2011
Reputation: 47
Post: #53
RE: Must see documentary: National Geographic on alpha males
(10-15-2013 03:04 PM)Blick Mang Wrote:  What I took away from it, and I think it ties into many other discussions here:

Alpha is natural. You can puff up your chest all you want, talk loudly, be aggressive, etc. but when confronted by a natural alpha, you'll drop like a sack of potatoes. You're either born with it, or you're not. Such is nature.

The truth is that many can't achieve alpha status because the laws of nature provide for a hierarchical balance and an innate, subconscious sense of social structure and order. Notice the beta apes - they try acting alpha by feigning large size and by acting aggressive, and by snatching females only in the right circumstances. The second a true alpha comes along, they're right back to where they started.

I see the "red pill within the red pill" as being the realization that not everyone can be an alpha, no matter how hard someone may try. You can learn game, style, confidence, posture, etc., but as Quintus Curtius (http://www.returnofkings.com/19460/every...king-point) implies, only reaching the true breaking point of human endurance reveals what kind of man you are.

Feigning alpha behavior will get you laid, make you respected, and advance your career. But it does not make you an alpha.

With all due respect, this is completely non-sense. We are not born made, we are social beings, we learn social behaviours. I know dudes back in high school who were straight nerds and nobody would hang out with them, soon as they reached the adult phase, their lives totally changed. They were into martial arts, more confident, way cooler, more aggressive and better dressed, they became more interesting people in every single aspect.

Your comment sounds as if we all lived in the jungle and had to respect the most aggressive animal but reality does not work like that. You wouldn't stop talking to a hot girl in a club just because a more aggressive guy walked into the same club and he is eye fucking your girl (lets say mike tyson is trying to get the same girl), reason why game fixed all these issues, a strong frame will certainly intimidate this other alpha. You never met a guy who couldn't fight but was respected by everybody? Never met a good fighter that was not so respected? I have seen both. We are social beings.

P.s. i just read that somebody already replied to this post....posting this anyway and reading the rest of the comments now.
10-24-2013 10:03 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
NY Digital Offline
Pelican
****
Gold Member

Posts: 1,009
Joined: Mar 2013
Reputation: 16
Post: #54
RE: Must see documentary: National Geographic on alpha males
(10-24-2013 10:03 AM)pitt Wrote:  With all due respect, this is completely non-sense. We are not born made, we are social beings, we learn social behaviours. I know dudes back in high school who were straight nerds and nobody would hang out with them, soon as they reached the adult phase, their lives totally changed. They were into martial arts, more confident, way cooler, more aggressive and better dressed, they became more interesting people in every single aspect.

That is not really true. There are very convincing theories that genetics affects personality.

It makes sense if you think about it.
10-24-2013 01:30 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
lskdfjldsf Offline
Kingfisher
***
Gold Member

Posts: 932
Joined: Jul 2013
Reputation: 51
Post: #55
RE: Must see documentary: National Geographic on alpha males
Personality isn't the issue as much as intelligence is.

You can memorize facts, but that doesn't make you intelligent. The same reason standardized tests aren't indicative of future success.
You can wear nice clothes and work out, but that doesn't make you physically attractive. A moderately sized guy with perfect facial symmetry will always be more appealing than a jacked butterface.
You can memorize pickup lines and act like a tough guy, but that doesn't mean you are socially intelligent. The power and ability to truly CONVINCE someone of an idea is innate.

The problem is that many here think the word alpha means not buying a girl a drink. In a contemporary social context it may (e.g. these forums), but the video is analyzing human behavior in a biological and evolutionary context. Big difference between the two.

Notice in the video when they refer to how a disproportionate number of CEO's are over 6 feet tall. It's not, "a disproportionate number of CEO's are muscular". People today are brainwashed into believing bench press is equal to height, natures indicator of size. At no point in human history have men ever aspired to look the way we want to on these forums (lean, ripped, jacked) because as someone mentioned in another thread, a peasant carrying bricks or wood over his back all day every day will outperform a cut personal trainer any day of the week.

Some people are born with natural game and can crush girls without ever having to read these forums or PUA resources. Some guys are born with model-esque physiques and have girls swooning over them without ever having to hit the gym. Some guys excel at sports at a professional level, no matter what kind of ball or puck you throw at them. The word "natural leader" didn't come from thin air - some guys, those with the right combination of genes handed down to them, are superior than 99% of the population both physically and mentally, and thats exactly what an alpha male is.

Guys who don't fall into that category will beat themselves into a pulp trying to convince themselves they can be in that top percentile. It's male hamster and nothing more. Like I said, you can feign those attributes and certainly improve yourself, gaining wealth and respect, but it doesn't make you an alpha male by NATURES definition - a genetically superior, pack leader.
(This post was last modified: 10-24-2013 02:14 PM by lskdfjldsf.)
10-24-2013 01:53 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
VincentVinturi Offline
Pelican
****
Gold Member

Posts: 1,148
Joined: May 2013
Reputation: 117
Post: #56
RE: Must see documentary: National Geographic on alpha males
Awesome share...I learned a lot!

Some observations:

1. Several of the 'experiments' didn't control for confounding variables nor collect enough data to make a conclusion...

This was pretty obvious. But overall, they did good considering it's a TV show made to garner ratings and not to keep in step with scientific rigor.

2. Humans are neither 'chimps' nor 'bonobos'...

The differing mating strategies used by chimps vs bonobos was really eye-opening.

If we, humans, are descended from the same common ancestor as chimps and bonobos, and chimps and bonobos behave so differently, then is mirroring and comparing our behavior with chimps useful? If chimps are patriarchal and bonobos are matriarchal, where do we fall? Somewhere in between?

It seems like human mating is infinitely more complex than primate mating, given our presence around the whole world, incredibly powerful (and widely different) cultural influences, logical brains, etc.

However, I think anybody who's spent enough time in the field can attest to the general superiority of the chimpanzee approach over the bonobo.

The way they "tested" this was totally whack. The first guy on the speed date with the 2 ugly, cold chicks was plain-looking, spoke in a monotone voice, looked down, and totally lacked dynamism. Beta fo sho.

Then guy #2 showed up and lit up the room with is appearance and presence. So he shared his sweet potato fries, big deal. If he hadn't, I doubt that would've affected these girls' perception of him. Although that first one looked pretty hungry...

3. Primates fuck in public...

The cafe makeout experiment was really revealing.

Look to what degree living in civilization makes our primal sexual appetites socially unacceptable.

To the point where a stranger would come up to you and tell you "hey, there's people eating lunch here", which of course is monkey code for "hey, don't do that or else..." If I'm making out with a hot chick in public and it affects your ability to eat lunch, then fuck you pussy, I'll kick your ass and steal your food. I hate how we've been shamed to deny our most basic urges so some faggot can eat his avocado sandwich without having to confront what a sexual dropout he is.

Apropos, any of you guys ever been to one of those free love shindigs in India? (or somewhere else?)

4. The Alpha is the guy who becomes the alpha...

Survival of the fittest means the fittest survive. And how do you define fitness?

You're fit...if you survive! Likewise, you're alpha if you rise to the alpha position.

Whether you're born with it, fight for it, get lucky, or a mixture of all three --- the point is you are in the Alpha position of the hierarchy, therefore you are the alpha.

Whether or not somebody considers you a 'true' alpha or not is irrelevant. They can always challenge you for the spot...and you can lose your alpha position in a heartbeat.

Try walking into a BJJ gym and asserting your place in a hierarchy. You will have a rude awakening when the hierarchy self-organizes based on who kicks who's ass (and some other factors, but mostly that first one).

My Latest Book On How To Make Money Online By Offering A Service Check It Out Here
(This post was last modified: 10-24-2013 10:27 PM by VincentVinturi.)
10-24-2013 10:24 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes VincentVinturi's post:
EsperZebrah
TheMan Offline
Pelican
****

Posts: 1,014
Joined: Dec 2011
Reputation: 6
Post: #57
RE: Must see documentary: National Geographic on alpha males
haha this is awsome great post
Thanks E10GMA10
10-24-2013 11:06 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
stpete Offline
Sparrow
Gold Member

Posts: 114
Joined: Jan 2013
Reputation: 1
Post: #58
RE: Must see documentary: National Geographic on alpha males
This was good. I see the nigerian in the first video is alpha. Yet does that mean he is most attractive to the girl? No and I don't think that should even be implied, even if he is the most like the silverback gorilla.

But maybe it depends on the girl. If she is some low wage earner in downtown Detroit. We all have been around and know guys like this. Personally I stay away from them as I find most others do too.

Other than it appearing he was the only one to ask her out. I bet the number 2 or 3 guy could have asked and she would be more interested.

I'm the first to believe alpha is good and works. It's just not my goal to be an alpha male like this guy. I think the other 2 guys were also alpha and would have as good a chance at getting the female. Alpha is good but we are still alpha humans not alpha silverback gorrillas while in this modern society.

As far as the guy laying around in the mall or the one shouting at people to get out of his square, I don't think it proves that much. Are these guys alpha or stupid, as one guy was making fun of him saying "nice square". Plus modern people don't want to get in fights with strangers so of course you walk away just as you would from a bum asking you for money.

Shouting at people and getting in their personal space is not some group monkey survival/heirarchy in modern society, no matter how you paint it.

Still some good takeaways.

Alpha can be confident and have self discipline and be attractive without all this "monkey business". Some women may like guys like that nigerian guy. Cool, they can have each other.
(This post was last modified: 12-20-2013 03:58 AM by stpete.)
12-20-2013 03:25 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
calwinston Offline
Woodpecker
**

Posts: 421
Joined: Oct 2013
Reputation: 30
Post: #59
RE: Must see documentary: National Geographic on alpha males
Just seen this show last night here in Hong Kong. Greatest experiment I have ever seen on human interactions.
Also what I get from it is that everyone cant be Alpha. You have to have a hierarchy system or things will turn to chaos.
04-07-2014 09:49 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes calwinston's post:
Swooper
Dalaran1991 Offline
Ostrich
****

Posts: 2,403
Joined: Dec 2013
Reputation: 87
Post: #60
RE: Must see documentary: National Geographic on alpha males
Can someone repost another link? It says the vid doesn't exist

Ass or cash, nobody rides for free - WestIndiArchie
05-20-2014 05:23 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
internet alpha Offline
Banned

Posts: 53
Joined: Mar 2014
Post: #61
RE: Must see documentary: National Geographic on alpha males
Some are born alpha (royalty/good looks), some achieve alpha (getting jacked/developing personality/wealth) and some have alpha thrust upon them(fame).
05-21-2014 11:56 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
Constitution45 Offline
Pelican
****

Posts: 1,183
Joined: Apr 2014
Reputation: 29
Post: #62
RE: Must see documentary: National Geographic on alpha males
This is the debate that has been passed around for a while now, who trumps, naturals or those who learn.

I believe its important to first distinguish who we are talking about here. In high school or certain environments, men will be suited and rise to the top. It may be a matter of logistics or luck, however on the basis of the law of attraction; they will stat developing alpha attributes. In a chaotic lord of the flies, school situation, the loud immature one with a short attention span will do well, and become the alpha. Although after his school days are way past him, he will find himself with little to go by.

There are though those who naturally are alpha in every sense of the word and have a deep understanding of this power they have. I trust that I met one of these guys a long time ago. He was a business owner and small time politician, who also worked as a hostage negotiator, talking down suicide bombers in some hell hole in the Middle East. Puts things into perspective eh.
06-30-2014 08:43 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 


Forum Jump:


User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)

Contact Us | RooshV.com | Return to Top | Return to Content | Mobile Version | RSS Syndication