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(06-12-2014 10:12 PM)Sugar Wrote:  
(06-10-2014 11:19 AM)robreke Wrote:  I don't really like when they call me sir right at the opening. I feel they're putting me in a possible "out of their range of consideration" bracket. I still try to game them....but the ones who call me sir seem to get nervous when I start getting a bit more flirty.
btw....I'm starting to lean towards going back to clean shaven. I like my 10 day black stubble...but I think it may be too much for college girls/young women. I'll experiment a few more days with it.

Rob, like Vaun, I am almost 40, just a few years younger than you.

For me the "sirs" go away if I'm tan and if I dye my hair.

I'm not sure your skin complexion, but for me a tan (or tanning cream, I use Clarins Liquid Bronze) takes off 5 years easy. I have very pale skin and contrasted by very dark hair so I look like a dead man walking with no color. Your mileage may vary depending on your complexion, but I haven't seen many guys over 35 who look very good pale. Caucasians look especially bad.

Regarding the hair, I don't like any of the permanent or semi (or demi) permanent dyes. They have ingredients like PPD, ammonia and peroxide and you don't want any of that shit on your hair let alone your skin. I do one of two things: use a non-permanent dye (actually a stain) called Cosamo love your color. I researched it and mainly women use it, but there are no reports of skin irritation like many people report from the permanent dyes like just for men.

Another option, depending on your type of hair is to clipper it short. I cut it down to a #2 guard, which is 1/4 inch. This look will not work for a lot of faces. I have a small nose and ears, and a very straight hair line like David beckham. If you have a bigger nose or ears or a curved hair line, you may be better off using non-permanent dyes.

Some guys have talked about threading their eyebrows, but I've done that and it didn't make me look any younger. My normal thicker eyebrows are actually a better look.

I do the other things the guys here talk about too, getting enough sleep, no stress, drink a lot of water, moisturize, etc.

Whitening and or straightening your teeth helps too.

Hey...thanks for info. My skin isn't that pale as I have a rather ruddy complexion. I am caucasion. Also...my hair has no gray and ...if my dad is any blueprint...he didn't get grey til almost 70...I should be good there. Also got a full head of hair...my hairline is a little high...but not receding as it's been that way always.
I pulled a cute college girls number yesterday by the way....but she was like in her 5th year so probably 24 ...maybe 25.
I do seem to find that my hair short clipped seems to make me look a little younger. Kind of like Brad Pitt's hair in the Tree of Life. Have you noticed a difference in young women's perceptions of you with facial hair vs no facial hair?

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(06-11-2014 09:13 PM)robreke Wrote:  Do you guys over 40 often go for direct openers on really younger women? ie....20 - 25 ?

At night, or in a bar anytime, absolutely. My new record is about 20 years younger than me. Repeat after me: young, single women want to get fucked by an older guy who knows the ropes.

Daytime I just use my normal inner game.

And like Gio[?] said...get as much sleep as possible.
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I'd say never give up.

Some people out here in the game World claim guys 50+ can get laid with women in their 20s pua Ross Jeffries claims he bangs 20yos in Norway and Kezia Noble claims men that old have gotten girls going to her conferences as does Owen from RSD.

For white girls in Anglosphere-
I would tell him to day game and do the elderly chatter- hang out at collee libraries, coffee shops, big box retailers, parks, malls, etc.

Learn hypnosis and Nlp- if you take the mind you can take your target better

For EE-
As I find American culture gross- I'd say for the guy to take a trip to Poland. The guy above said Eros guide Polands equivalent is odloty.pl gross to do p4p but it is what it is out in the streets, right? My dad used to say p4p was for old guys who still wanted girls in their 20s.

Fly to Peru Indonesia or Pholipines where older white guys are appreciated by younger women.

Google Filipino Cupid-'it amazes me how many young girls message me but they're Asian and I like whites I just did it for recon purposes.

If he stays in the West he should stick to day game and do it in a major city where women will be more open to day game IMO smal town women suck like 30-250k pop type of places Id say hed be better off in some rural town spitting game at a lonely bored younger girl or a major city not the mediocore in between spots.
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Woops.. I made a double post, so I was going to completely delete the contents of this post.

Instead, I will respond to a couple of the ideas of earlier posts. Actually, I had intended to respond earlier to several posts in this thread b/c there have been so many good (and seemingly relevant to me) issues coming up through this thread, but I keep getting side-tracked with other aspects of life....... Maybe, since this is a thread about aging-matters, senility or Alzheimers has been kicking in with greater force? Smile

I am going to post a little more about these various aging question later; however, I have been giving quite a bit of reconsideration to how I present myself to people regarding age in recent years.

Previously, I had never really lied about my age; however, recently, when I am attempting to pick up young chicks (in their 20s), I thought that i would give lying about my age a shot in practi e, since i am passed my mid-40s.. .. so in essence I attempt to cut 6 years off of my real age... .. .and then to be vague about the details of the subject matter.

Only in recent times (about less than a year) I have developed a whole story around this lying about my age, so then it brings up questions and concerns in my thinking about whether I look my age or NOT.... so whether my story is plausible.

Sometimes people guess my age correctly (when I ask) and sometimes they do NOT. I am NOT really into the attention-whoring of having people guess my age, but sometimes this kind of interaction can be a fun little diversion from other topics - depending upon the circumstances.

I find when I get into specifics about my life story, I tend to want to resort to telling the truth about my age in order that some things make more sense.... but if I am meeting a girl for a one-night stand or some other kind of short relationship, then those kinds of details or whether they add up may NOT really matter or even come up as part of anything that anyone has interest(s)...

In the end, I continue to have my dilemmas about this whole aging story matter and the extent to which lying about my age is fruitful or even worth the effort. I am likely going to post more about this topic in the very near future... and this thread seems as good a place as any for such content.
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(06-14-2014 01:39 PM)Xm24 Wrote:  I'd say never give up.

Some people out here in the game World claim guys 50+ can get laid with women in their 20s pua Ross Jeffries claims he bangs 20yos in Norway and Kezia Noble claims men that old have gotten girls going to her conferences as does Owen from RSD.

For white girls in Anglosphere-
I would tell him to day game and do the elderly chatter- hang out at collee libraries, coffee shops, big box retailers, parks, malls, etc.

Learn hypnosis and Nlp- if you take the mind you can take your target better

For EE-
As I find American culture gross- I'd say for the guy to take a trip to Poland. The guy above said Eros guide Polands equivalent is odloty.pl gross to do p4p but it is what it is out in the streets, right? My dad used to say p4p was for old guys who still wanted girls in their 20s.

Fly to Peru Indonesia or Pholipines where older white guys are appreciated by younger women.

Google Filipino Cupid-'it amazes me how many young girls message me but they're Asian and I like whites I just did it for recon purposes.

If he stays in the West he should stick to day game and do it in a major city where women will be more open to day game IMO smal town women suck like 30-250k pop type of places Id say hed be better off in some rural town spitting game at a lonely bored younger girl or a major city not the mediocore in between spots.

I doubt that too many guys here want to hear what Ross Jefferies would do, unless RJ is posting himself.

Surely, sometimes you can incorporate various theories or comparisons of the experiences of other guys, but it seems to me that personal experiences tend to receive more traction in this forum.

What about you, XM24, can you talk from your own personal experience(s)? Are you over 40, or getting near that? Or do you have some other aspect about yourself that may be comparable to the aging factor, that would relate to this thread? Have you been in a situation in which NOT giving up paid off? Is there a time in which we should we give up or readjust our focus?

I recall that some young guys (much younger than 40) have participated in this thread to bounce off ideas... regarding the age-factor, so I doubt you have to be 40+ to contribute to this thread.. though it would likely help (even though it probably NOT a prerequisite).

Have you traveled to some of all of these places that you proclaim are better or worse for guys of a certain age group?

Let us know how your personal situation fits into this theme and your advice or provide a link in which you have discussed that kind of information in one or more of your other posts.
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I am over 40 and Gio's points are spot on.

I think too many guys are assuming that young girls aren't into older guys, I don't know what percentage are and frankly I don't care. I can easily pick up girls 20 years my junior because I don't look my age.

The main thing is too keep the weight off, lose the belly. A lot of older guys get that bloated look from over eating and drinking alcohol. Vodka is my drink of choice because it is light, dark liquors generally have more calories.

One thing I fight with is getting enough sleep and trying to reduce bags under my eyes.

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(06-14-2014 07:21 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  bags under my eyes.

Yes,

I fight with this also..

What causes it for me is:

1) Lack of sleep

2) Poor quality sleep

If I go to bed after midnight, I will get bags under my eyes.

The only solution I have found is going to sleep before 10pm for 3-4 weeks straight.

Honestly, When I get older, if I have serious "bags" under my eyes, I might consider cosmetic surgery.
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(06-16-2014 02:07 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  The only solution I have found is going to sleep before 10pm for 3-4 weeks

What is the difference between sleeping 10p-6am or 2am-10am? It's 8 hours either way. Does it make any difference for you?

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(06-13-2014 11:26 AM)robreke Wrote:  Hey...thanks for info. My skin isn't that pale as I have a rather ruddy complexion. I am caucasion. Also...my hair has no gray and ...if my dad is any blueprint...he didn't get grey til almost 70...I should be good there. Also got a full head of hair...my hairline is a little high...but not receding as it's been that way always.
I pulled a cute college girls number yesterday by the way....but she was like in her 5th year so probably 24 ...maybe 25.
I do seem to find that my hair short clipped seems to make me look a little younger. Kind of like Brad Pitt's hair in the Tree of Life. Have you noticed a difference in young women's perceptions of you with facial hair vs no facial hair?

I don't really grow for longer than 2-3 days so I am not sure.

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(06-16-2014 06:00 PM)Sugar Wrote:  
(06-16-2014 02:07 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  The only solution I have found is going to sleep before 10pm for 3-4 weeks

What is the difference between sleeping 10p-6am or 2am-10am? It's 8 hours either way. Does it make any difference for you?

It makes a difference to your body. Earlier hours 'count' for more. Getting 8 hrs is key, but getting them as early as possible helps even more. I'm a night owl so doesn't help me, but that's what the sleep research I've read says. fwiw.
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(06-16-2014 06:00 PM)Sugar Wrote:  What is the difference between sleeping 10p-6am or 2am-10am? It's 8 hours either way. Does it make any difference for you?

It makes a huge difference.

The hormones in the body regulate and replenish themselves between 10pm and 2am.

The longer we stay up late, the more our body chemistry gets altered. This can often effect fat storage, fat loss, muscle retention, bags under the eyes, skin, etc.

Don't take my word for it.. If you research this topic, you will find that the data in pretty conclusive.

Personally, getting early sleep is the difference between having bags under my eyes and not having bags under my eyes, it's the difference between looking younger than my age and looking my actual age.

Quality sleep is the #1 anti aging tool.
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Gio is right, those hours between 10 - 2 is when your body gets the best sleep.

But man going to bed before 10 is hard, I had an ex who would be in bed before then.

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I spent most of my younger years in two marriages. I'm in my mid-40's. I'm better than average looking, I lift and earn well. I get more IOI's now and play than I ever have in my life. Confidence and the "I don't give a flying fuck" attitude goes a really long way. I plan to be smashing it into my 70's...

Mind you I'm in SillyCon Valley, and in tech where most guys are beta blubber, it's fairly easy to stand out...
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ice bags on the eyes, or better yet, cold bags of peas or corn.

Thank you patrick bateman






Of course there are sites like amazon that break down where to get all of the essentials for your eyes and skin on the cheap.

http://www.imnotthatdrunk.com/prepare-fo...k-bateman/

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The last link is the anti aging eye cream. I also think it helps to sweat a lot to get the salt out of your system. High sodium content can cause puffy eyes.

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I'm about to take my college daygame "turbo"...start hanging out at some college libraries doing studying, work...etc. I may even get to the point where I try to game the girls walking around on their way to class a la Gio. I don't know if I have the balls for that yet as I haven't set foot on a college campus yet....I'm just gonna start next week.
Thing is, I'm over 40.....can pass for middish 30s. ( a girl I'm seeing now thinks I'm 34)...I'm youngish looking and tall with a slim build and slightly athletic build....like a swimmer.
Have any of you older guys tried much day gaming this way? That is, hanging out working and reading in college libraries and spitting game at the girls there.....or roaming around campus trolling for coeds? The fact that I'm going to be trying this on campus may make the situation more "volatile" as in.....'what's a guy your age doing here?" I hope I don't get asked that but I'll have a good story ready if I do....like I'm getting a second degree, etc. If I'd have known game 10 years ago....I'd have been hitting these areas up in my 30s....but some of us are late learners. Better late than never....at least I'm not 54 or 64.....Ha.

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(06-26-2014 05:23 PM)robreke Wrote:  I'm about to take my college daygame "turbo"

This could change your life!

You realize that at certain % of college girls actually prefer older men.

It's a beautiful thing!

Let me know if you have any specific questions.

(06-26-2014 05:23 PM)robreke Wrote:  I'm gonna start next week.

I see one problem here..

School is out. This is summer time.

Start approaching younger girls all over town.

You need to practice for the start of school in August.

That is when things get crazy.
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(06-26-2014 05:39 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  
(06-26-2014 05:23 PM)robreke Wrote:  I'm about to take my college daygame "turbo"

This could change your life!

You realize that at certain % of college girls actually prefer older men.

It's a beautiful thing!

Let me know if you have any specific questions.

(06-26-2014 05:23 PM)robreke Wrote:  I'm gonna start next week.

I see one problem here..

School is out. This is summer time.

Start approaching younger girls all over town.

You need to practice for the start of school in August.

That is when things get crazy.

Thanks Gio. I actually got a cute pharmacy students number at whole foods tonight. Also...got a psych grad students number at starbucks the other day this week...so I am practicing on young hotties. The psych girl never responded to my text but the ole miss pharmacy hottie did within 90 minutes.

is there a technique during your interaction you use that you've found helps to get responses to your texts? especially with these 20-25 year olds.

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(06-26-2014 08:15 PM)robreke Wrote:  Thanks Gio.

is there a technique during your interaction you use that you've found helps to get responses to your texts? especially with these 20-25 year olds.

Yes. It's more a collection of techniques, concepts, and strategies.

1) Working out -- the better I look, the more responses I get!
2) Good sleep -- the better I look, the more responses I get!
3) Dressing well -- the better I look, the more responses I get!
4) Being funny -- The more she laughs, the more responses I get!
5) Being a good flirt -- The more sexually aroused she gets, the more responses I get!
6) Insta-dating -- This really helps, if the date goes well
7) Touching her -- This is a part of flirting
8) Talking about a specific date idea -- This helps to plant the idea in her mind
9) Sending a strong opening text
10) Strong body language, strong tone, strong voice -- It's not about any one particular technique. It's always about our Total Overall Game. One technique will not make up for having bad game or an unattractive appearance. A good technique can also be ruined by a bad delivery.

Generally speaking, I recommend that you push each interaction as far as you can!

Be as bold and ballsy and macho as is appropriate to the situation. Experiment with getting "Extreme Reactions". Some girls will be turned off but others will be turned on.

Chasing younger women is often High Risk but High Reward
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(06-26-2014 05:23 PM)robreke Wrote:  Thing is, I'm over 40.....can pass for middish 30s. ( a girl I'm seeing now thinks I'm 34)...I'm youngish looking and tall with a slim build and slightly athletic build....like a swimmer.
Have any of you older guys tried much day gaming this way? That is, hanging out working and reading in college libraries and spitting game at the girls there.....or roaming around campus trolling for coeds? The fact that I'm going to be trying this on campus may make the situation more "volatile" as in.....'what's a guy your age doing here?" I hope I don't get asked that but I'll have a good story ready if I do.... Better late than never....at least I'm not 54 or 64.....Ha.

If you can pass for under 40 you've got no worries. Chicks dig older guys. Many of them have Daddy fantasies. I have never lied about my age and not a single 20-25 yr old has cared that I'm 15-20yrs older than them. If they like you, they'll let you hit it. That simple.

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I went on a 4th date with a young law student last night ( I think she's 25-26) First bang. She likes me and vice versa.

I'm 44....but neither of us has asked the other's age outright. She's made a few jokes about my age on previous dates and last night...such as "you're dating yourself" or if I tell her about some music I used to listen to she'll say...."was that on cassette"? I'll joke back with...."no on 8 track"

Last night she said " do you care about my age you've never asked"....I said " I don't care...you're cool and I like spending time with you".....she smiled and I changed the subject.

I know her mom is 45 cause she told me...so I'm like one year younger than her freaking mother. I think this girl probably thinks I'm mid or late 30s at most as I do not even look 40.

Obviously...she keeps broaching the subject.

My question is....next time she brings it up...in her joking way about age....should I face up and go ahead and have a discussion about it....ie. tell each other our ages....or should I keep being kind of playful yet evasive? ......perhaps only telling her my age if she outright asks it? I have a feeling she'll be a bit surprised that I'm 44.

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Robreke,

Stretch it as long as you can. It's just another shit test. Once she knows, the fun will be gone. I usually clip it early with something like, "our age difference seems to bother you. Are you SURE you are mature enough for this?"

Or "we only get to be mysterious for so long, why rush it?"

Or "I don't care how old you are, how many guys you've slept with, or how many you're dating. If these things matter to you, then you might not be the right fit." Pros and cons of each should be self evident. Good luck.

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I'm about to turn 41. My last bang is barely 19. I'm usually working with the 18-28 age range. I have lost bangs because of my age, but more women don't care about it than do, MUCH more. And I often get the "I like older experienced men, I'm sick of BOYS!" from women.

Here in Colombia there is a special caveat. Women over 30 seem to all be fucked in the head, like potential bunny boiler fucked. I've learned to avoid them. They're also very VERY interested in marriage, and I no longer want any part in that bullshit. So I tend to avoid them.

My beard makes me look older... before the beard women would usually guess my age at 25-28, now they guess around 30 or so. But interest from women has SKYROCKETED since getting the beard. I did it before reading the board and other sources that mentioned facial hair on men is generally considered attractive by women, but I guess I'm living proof. You have to ask yourself, do I want to look younger, or do I wanna BONE? Tongue
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RE: Older Guys (40+)
(06-11-2014 09:13 PM)robreke Wrote:  Do you guys over 40 often go for direct openers on really younger women? ie....20 - 25 ?
Like to get some feedback if you older guys do this on the young uns and what your perspective is.

I'm 58. If you're in your 40's, in the US and want college girls under 25:

1) Do it now, the decline in your acceptability is non-linear once you're 50-53+
2) Make sure you can get out of the USA or get rich/famous as early as you can if you want to be happy in your late 50s.
3) Don't bring anyone back to US.

You can def get 18-22 year olds in the phils, up to about 7's.


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(07-23-2014 11:17 AM)robreke Wrote:  I went on a 4th date with a young law student last night ( I think she's 25-26) First bang. She likes me and vice versa.


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My question is....next time she brings it up...in her joking way about age....should I face up and go ahead and have a discussion about it....ie. tell each other our ages....or should I keep being kind of playful yet evasive? ......perhaps only telling her my age if she outright asks it? I have a feeling she'll be a bit surprised that I'm 44.

If you want the girl to stick around, I'd definitely hold off as long as possible in letting her know you're real age. YOu want to be sure she's hooked on you and the more time she has invested, the less likely it is that she'll write you off just because of your age.

If she really pushes you for a # sooner than later then I'd minimize and tell her 38, assuming you think you can pull it off. 40+ is gonna sound old to most in their 20s, especially in this case where the girl's mom is only 45.
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RE: Older Guys (40+)
How about a 40 years age difference? Scarface actor 18 yr old gf and you can be sure he met her before she was 18.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/art...oudon.html


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