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(03-05-2014 11:23 PM)calwinston Wrote:  Kherson

The ease of cold approaching is simple in this town. Most of the women I walked up to were very receptive. The only problem you will run into here is the English penetration. You will have very few girls that speak English. The girls you do find that speak English are usually under 25. So it’s imperative to learn some Russian.

It seems like every women in Kherson is looking for a way out. So just by you being an American or from Western Europe your stock raises very high....
Basically just hot women trying to get out. Nothing else to see.

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Another great report. I was wondering about the average time/ dates it took to score with these girls ?

I'm wondering if a lot these girls are looking longer term and are use to these old bride hunter guys spending money on them, would they put out for a younger better looking guy they most likely might never see again after a short time ?
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(03-11-2014 10:38 AM)calwinston Wrote:  List of Countries which have Visa-free Movement Regime with Ukraine

http://www.ukrconsul.org/visa/visa_drops.htm

I would add Cyprus on this list too. The visa is 90 days single entry available on the internet for direct flights only.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requir...n_citizens

I'm looking into Cyprus for this Summer.
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Thanks for your reply. I'm from a Schengen country, so visa free for 90 days.

Do you know if it's 90 days maximum per year?

Or you can just go out a week after your 3 months and come right back in for 3 more months?
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Calwinston, would you say if you're in Kherson that you are automatically labeled a "wife-hunter" or worse a sex tourist by the locals if you don't look the type and don't speak Russian fluently? Reason why I ask is because I got that vibe when I was in Odessa and was asked "shit tests" Huh

Is it even possible to claim that you're a normal tourist in Kherson and seem believable?
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(03-11-2014 02:52 PM)Lika Wrote:  Thanks for your reply. I'm from a Schengen country, so visa free for 90 days.

Do you know if it's 90 days maximum per year?

Or you can just go out a week after your 3 months and come right back in for 3 more months?

90 days for every 180 days
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(03-11-2014 11:40 AM)rishboy77 Wrote:  
(03-05-2014 11:23 PM)calwinston Wrote:  Kherson

The ease of cold approaching is simple in this town. Most of the women I walked up to were very receptive. The only problem you will run into here is the English penetration. You will have very few girls that speak English. The girls you do find that speak English are usually under 25. So it’s imperative to learn some Russian.

It seems like every women in Kherson is looking for a way out. So just by you being an American or from Western Europe your stock raises very high....
Basically just hot women trying to get out. Nothing else to see.

CW

Another great report. I was wondering about the average time/ dates it took to score with these girls ?

I'm wondering if a lot these girls are looking longer term and are use to these old bride hunter guys spending money on them, would they put out for a younger better looking guy they most likely might never see again after a short time ?

From my experience the younger you get the more receptive they are to short term. If you try to game any women above the age of 23, 24 she is looking for a long term relationship. Over 26 is panic mode to find a husband. This holds true for most of Ukraine. You can still get away with it in Kiev.

If they like you they will go out on a date with you. You don't have to be wealthy to date Ukrainian women. You can have middle class to lower middle class lifestyle in western countries and still date women in the top tier.
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(03-11-2014 07:02 PM)TripleG Wrote:  Calwinston, would you say if you're in Kherson that you are automatically labeled a "wife-hunter" or worse a sex tourist by the locals if you don't look the type and don't speak Russian fluently? Reason why I ask is because I got that vibe when I was in Odessa and was asked "shit tests" Huh

Is it even possible to claim that you're a normal tourist in Kherson and seem believable?

Its not really possible to be a normal tourist in Kherson. Its the last major town before entering Crimea (80 km away). So some people driving long distances stay overnight before entering Crimea.

You can visit the oblast jail(oddly placed), the recent Lenin statue that was torn down, the river overlook, the Dniper river beaches, fishing, etc.

When I was at the US Embassy getting some forms notarized. I met a guy from Kherson who was American also. We seemed to be the only ones in the US citizen/passport holder lounge with one lady. The other side was the waiting area for Ukrainians doing visa interviews to get their golden ticket(if they only knew). Didn't look like it was going well for most. One girl stormed out through the wrong door crying. When a security guard had to jump up and escort her out the right way. That's when we started talking about the sad people walking out. Then I discussed at one time I thought about becoming a Foreign Service Officer.
http://careers.state.gov/officer
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Then I would be the one denying these people a chance to come to the US. Plus what if one guy I deny sees me outside the embassy in the city and tries to kill me. Yeah that's fun.

The guy lived in Kherson and talked about how he was dating 3 women at one time. The guy was 55, semi retired, short and fat. Living a middle class lifestyle in Kherson. He came to Kherson to live a easy, cheap lifestyle, and for the women. Does he tell them women that he is there for them. The answer was yes. He didn't jump through hoops to come up with some made up story about the reason for being in Kherson.

For the short term guy, I went the business route. For me I am always looking for business opportunities if they are worthwhile. For just about 10000 or more you can buy stakes in businesses in countries across the world. So just say you looking at investing in the restaurant, steel, shipbuilding, or real estate (many empty factories). One was converted to a mall, with bowling alley, and ice skating.

You do have to go through the shit test with some women. These are the ones 8 and above (22 and above in age). The younger they are (even the top tier) the more naive the more naive they are. So the easier to game. If you are a older guy (40-45 and over) gaming women under 22 is difficult. Automatically you will be labeled. Just stick to the over 30 desperate crowd if over 45 and you will be okay. Only problem with the over 30 crowd is she more than likely will have a kid. But every foreign man that hits on them, is a suitor for a longer relationship. Even if its short term for the moment she will do her best to make you want her more and make it long term. These are the women you string along to get what you want.

Lastly as I was standing outside the embassy waiting to get in. I seen about 75 women. 100 people in total waiting for an interview. They were dressed like the would about to go to a job interview, but the women with short skirts and high heels. Standing there I thought of embassy game. Park yourself outside the embassy. Act like you are waiting for your appointment. Then game on.

Just a footnote. There is no other reason for you to be out there since the new US Embassy is in the suburbs. But you are still on the metro.
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(03-11-2014 10:59 PM)calwinston Wrote:  For the short term guy, I went the business route. For me I am always looking for business opportunities if they are worthwhile. For just about 10000 or more you can buy stakes in businesses in countries across the world. So just say you looking at investing in the restaurant, steel, shipbuilding, or real estate (many empty factories). One was converted to a mall, with bowling alley, and ice skating.

How much of a stake can you get for 10K? I wonder what a small business would cost. I know if I moved to a different country, I am gonna need something to do, despite all the passive income I am trying to set up. I know if running a small store and working on my laptop at the same time would be possible. I do wonder how quickly I will get bored doing that though.

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(03-11-2014 11:30 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  
(03-11-2014 10:59 PM)calwinston Wrote:  For the short term guy, I went the business route. For me I am always looking for business opportunities if they are worthwhile. For just about 10000 or more you can buy stakes in businesses in countries across the world. So just say you looking at investing in the restaurant, steel, shipbuilding, or real estate (many empty factories). One was converted to a mall, with bowling alley, and ice skating.

How much of a stake can you get for 10K? I wonder what a small business would cost. I know if I moved to a different country, I am gonna need something to do, despite all the passive income I am trying to set up. I know if running a small store and working on my laptop at the same time would be possible. I do wonder how quickly I will get bored doing that though.

For 10K in third tier cities you can buy whole restaurants with staff. Small 25% stakes or more in stores, a small stake in factories just starting, real estate, contracting services, etc.

https://nomadcapitalist.com/2014/02/06/s...int-cheap/

Of course these are all in low cost countries. Most of Southeast Asia, Latin America, Africa, and Eastern Europe.
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I thought about becoming a Foreign Service Officer.
http://careers.state.gov/officer
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Then I would be the one denying these people a chance to come to the US. Plus what if one guy I deny sees me outside the embassy in the city and tries to kill me. Yeah that's fun.
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Funny a 21 year old girl from Kiev I met in Punta Cana, showed me pictures of this Hispanic guy who worked at the US Embassy and she was seeing for a while. We were going on his Facebook even, if she had the brains she could have tried to parlay that as a ticket out of the country but she was clueless.

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You do have to go through the shit test with some women. These are the ones 8 and above (22 and above in age). The younger they are (even the top tier) the more naive the more naive they are. So the easier to game. If you are a older guy (40-45 and over) gaming women under 22 is difficult. Automatically you will be labeled. Just stick to the over 30 desperate crowd if over 45 and you will be okay. Only problem with the over 30 crowd is she more than likely will have a kid. But every foreign man that hits on them, is a suitor for a longer relationship
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For older guys coming to Ukraine those words to understand well.
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(03-12-2014 06:03 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Embassy Game lol this forum kills me.

Plus they likely will speak English, since they are trying to get a visa to the US.
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(03-12-2014 08:31 PM)calwinston Wrote:  
(03-12-2014 06:03 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Embassy Game lol this forum kills me.

Plus they likely will speak English, since they are trying to get a visa to the US.

Awesome reports as always Cal. Do you have any info on 2nd tier cities such as Mariupol and Makiivka? Following line from Wikipedia looks good:
"As of the 2001 Ukrainian Census, the city's population is 389,589 inhabitants, of these 178,475 (46%) are men and 211,114 (54%) are women"

I would think Mariupol would be awesome during the summer as people go to the beach there (though it would probably be the budget crowd) while Makiivka just looks like it is a large, rundown city without any of the "sex tourist/wife-hunter" vibe that Kherson probably has.
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(03-12-2014 09:06 PM)TripleG Wrote:  
(03-12-2014 08:31 PM)calwinston Wrote:  
(03-12-2014 06:03 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Embassy Game lol this forum kills me.

Plus they likely will speak English, since they are trying to get a visa to the US.

Awesome reports as always Cal. Do you have any info on 2nd tier cities such as Mariupol and Makiivka? Following line from Wikipedia looks good:
"As of the 2001 Ukrainian Census, the city's population is 389,589 inhabitants, of these 178,475 (46%) are men and 211,114 (54%) are women"

I would think Mariupol would be awesome during the summer as people go to the beach there (though it would probably be the budget crowd) while Makiivka just looks like it is a large, rundown city without any of the "sex tourist/wife-hunter" vibe that Kherson probably has.

Makiivka is right next door to Donetsk (25 km away). Out of all the cities in Ukraine I have been to, Donetsk was the most developed and modernised. I never made it over to Makiivka but it seems it is just a big suburb of Donetsk. I never really ventured out of the center of Donetsk. My guess is the women will act the same as they do in Donetsk.

I have to talk to a friend in Donetsk to get whats happening in Mariupol. It looks like a great alternative to Odessa. Last census had the city at 492,175.
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What you guys think... ukrain out of the question to visit right now for an American of color. Because in poland i blended in like a 500 pound gorilla. which was good. Now... ukrain IDK

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(03-13-2014 10:37 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^ I say best to play on the side of caution and skip for now.

I agree but would say Ukraine in investment terms of a analogy is strong buy just depends on your risk tolerance.

If I spoke decent Russian and looked like a local and with enough pre-cautions I would consider trip there.
From the reports I'm hearing currently the girls are definitely getting more desperate. I had 2 girls I dumped previous contacted me recently, that is no coincidence. Traffic is down in Kiev in some clubs but the internet game is strong.
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^ My mate was telling me the same thing, his girl friends in Kiev have been contacting him looking to be rescued.

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(03-13-2014 11:31 AM)rishboy77 Wrote:  I had 2 girls I dumped previous contacted me recently, that is no coincidence.

If it was on or around March 8, then it's probably more to do with Women's Day than the political crisis. It's the FSU version of Saint Valentine's day.

I always get messages from a few past bangs on March 8-9.
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(03-13-2014 02:04 PM)DaveR Wrote:  
(03-13-2014 11:31 AM)rishboy77 Wrote:  I had 2 girls I dumped previous contacted me recently, that is no coincidence.

If it was on or around March 8, then it's probably more to do with Women's Day than the political crisis. It's the FSU version of Saint Valentine's day.

I always get messages from a few past bangs on March 8-9.

No it was not due to the Holiday but I always use Women Day's to keep the odd contact with some girls I'm still interested in banging. Nothing more then a simple copy and paste.

For now that I'm focusing on the girls that I know have a US visa.
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(03-13-2014 11:31 AM)rishboy77 Wrote:  
(03-13-2014 10:37 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^ I say best to play on the side of caution and skip for now.

I agree but would say Ukraine in investment terms of a analogy is strong buy just depends on your risk tolerance.

If I spoke decent Russian and looked like a local and with enough pre-cautions I would consider trip there.
From the reports I'm hearing currently the girls are definitely getting more desperate. I had 2 girls I dumped previous contacted me recently, that is no coincidence. Traffic is down in Kiev in some clubs but the internet game is strong.

"If I spoke decent Russian and looked like a local and with enough pre-cautions I would consider trip there." I speak good Russian, look like a local with an ugly mug, and am not risk averse and I would still skip UA right now. There's just too many unknowns including everyone being pissed off with life, looking for money, especially the cops. One wrong move such as getting too much attention by flashing cash at a club or walking alone late at night custom suited (which I sometimes do) and trouble can follow!
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Is it even safe to speak Russian over there at the moment? What with all the unrest and anti-Moscow sentiment.

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@Teedub I don't think it would be a problem. Even in the central and Western areas cities have more Russian speakers than the countryside. So avoid villages.

This whole patriotic 'Ukrainian language' movement has been going on for some time now but people who grew up speaking Russian with their parents are not going to change overnight, if at all.

I've met people from Lvov before who, recognizing me as a foreigner, asked me to speak (broken) English with them instead of Russian but that was the closest thing to an issue with speaking Russian.

Even now it seems the far right groups are trying to avoid the appearance of beating people for their language preferences.
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