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RE: 1 Year Drinking Wagon Challenge for 2014
I'm getting on the wagon as of today, I've had my last drink. I am 31 years old and I think its a good time to experiment with sobriety.

Truth is that I have been seduced by alcohol and its promise of making friends and meeting women. It has never provided me with those things, in more than 15 years, offering instead only degradation, loss of friends and confidence.

An outside observer would be surprised that I have not yet choked myself to death upon vomiting in my sleep or getting killed by someone I'd aggravated on the street.

As someone naturally prone to restlessness, rumination and poor sleep, I am convinced that alcohol excacerbates these conditions to no end.

There are objective factors as well; I have low testosterone, cholesterol leves that are in the extreme danger zone, low vitamin d levels, dangerously high iron stores, coupled with borderline anemia. Probably most hard drinkers would get a shock if they had comprehensive blood work done. (Thankfully my liver is fine)

Finally, I believe alcohol acts as a catalyst for my other addictions, pornography, gambling and smoking. I am happy to say that as of today I have not smoked a cigarette for a year.

Having recently quit my career in finance, spanning 5 years of study and 5 of work, I think it prudent to remain sober at least until I have decisively chosen what direction to take with my remaining years.
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06-18-2018 05:03 PM
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RE: 1 Year Drinking Wagon Challenge for 2014
pirate, thank you for the post. Based on what you say, there is no doubt that you are making the right decision. Please confirm that you are in for a full year, and I will officially welcome you on board.

You should also consider the following steps to improve your sleep and general health, replenish your vitamin D stores, and increase testosterone (all of which go hand in hand):

-- Continue using the light box that you bought (per your post here). Have you been using it correctly and consistently as outlined in that thread?

Follow the vitamin D protocol described in the post below (to be absolutely on the safe side, cap the daily D-3 dosage at 4,000 IU; 5,000 as suggested in the post is almost certainly safe for almost everyone, but 4,000 is provably safe no matter what).

(02-13-2016 11:38 AM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  1. Buy a good brand of D-3. This is a great one I recommend:

Source Naturals D-3

2. You can safely take 5,000IU per day; if you are deficient you can take more for a period of time.

3. Always take D-3 with fatty foods. As someone noted upthread, absorption is far more efficient in the presence of fats. I have whole milk yogurt for breakfast, and I mix in some tablespoons of Udo's Oil into it -- and I take my D-3 with that.

4. As or more effective than any of the above: get some full-body sun exposure in the summer. The best time of the year to build up your D-3 reserves is from early June to late August, and the best time of day to do it is around noon. Find a place where you can strip down to swimming trunks and lie out in the summer sun around noon, NO SUNSCREEN. Don't get sunburned: start by doing just 5 minutes on each side (measured by a stopwatch) and gradually increase your exposure to about 15 minutes a side; there is no need to go beyond that. Once you reach 15 minutes a side, do this a few times a week for the whole summer, choosing days when it's as sunny out as possible and the UV index is high.

If you do this you will build up D-3 deposits that will last you through the entire year. Supplementing D-3 as described above is good but nothing beats UV exposure from the sun, done right. Be ready to get nicely tanned and very horny.

The summer is only about three and a half months away. Until then, follow steps 1-3 above.

-- Make sure you minimize your caffeine consumption. No more than one cup of coffee a day, in the first half of the day, and never on an empty stomach.

-- If you aren't doing this already, slowly and carefully add weight training exercise to your regimen (but do not rush into it and get yourself injured).

If you do all of the above, and -- of course -- stay on the wagon, you will see very significant improvements in your sleep, vitamin D-3 levels, mood, and overall health and well-being; and while this may not happen overnight, it won't take forever, either.

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RE: 1 Year Drinking Wagon Challenge for 2014
Confirm I am in for a whole year.

Lightbox is gathering dust, I've decided its more expedient to go for a walk when I wake up, which I thoroughly enjoy. There is ample sunshine where I live.

I am convinced that almost all of my problems can be traced back to poor sleep, thus two weeks ago i decided to quit caffeine altogether. The results have been positive.

Which leaves me with a nagging question; how is it that I need to live as a mormon monk to function normally, whilst others can seemingly live unconsciously, abuse substances as they please and simply continue as if nothing was amiss?
06-18-2018 08:10 PM
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RE: 1 Year Drinking Wagon Challenge for 2014
(06-18-2018 08:10 PM)pirate Wrote:  Confirm I am in for a whole year.

Lightbox is gathering dust, I've decided its more expedient to go for a walk when I wake up, which I thoroughly enjoy. There is ample sunshine where I live.

I am convinced that almost all of my problems can be traced back to poor sleep, thus two weeks ago i decided to quit caffeine altogether. The results have been positive.

Which leaves me with a nagging question; how is it that I need to live as a mormon monk to function normally, whilst others can seemingly live unconsciously, abuse substances as they please and simply continue as if nothing was amiss?

You should consider dusting off the light box and putting it to use. Even if it's sunny where you live, it's just not easy to ensure that you get 10,000 Lux for 30 minutes day in day out at around the same time by taking a walk when you get up. The regularity and consistency that the light box provides is crucial in entraining a good sleep schedule -- which, as you correctly realize, is the absolute base of all improvement in your general health and well-being.

It's futile to ask why some can seemingly get away with abusing substances as they please, while others can barely touch them without experiencing serious adverse effects. Different people have different bodies and brains with different sensitivities; one should simply accept this and move on. It's also true that substance abuse and an irregular lifestyle exact a toll over time even from those who tolerate them well -- and the toll could eventually be heavier since they are able to persist in these behaviors for a longer period. So you can think of your heightened sensitivity as a blessing in disguise, since it will force you to abandon these bad habits sooner rather than later, thus sparing you a potentially worse punishment down the road.

Welcome aboard as of June 18, 2018 and I look forward to hearing more from you here as time goes on.

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06-18-2018 08:48 PM
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Hey Lizard, thought I’d swing by here. Havent touched alcohol since 3 months and my mind gets clearer every day. It seems that even one drink had a deregulating effect on my body. Is this common?
06-19-2018 06:33 PM
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RE: 1 Year Drinking Wagon Challenge for 2014
It has been more than 7 months...

A lot of good stuff happened.

Firstly, I finished one long overdue issue in my life that was sucking vitality of me.
Secondly, I managed to get a job in technology sales (the only worthwhile career for me atm) for a huge multinational which was my personal goal this year. Consequently, I moved from a pleasant but boring town to the cosmopolitan metropolis which I consider a huge boost regarding my self-development.
Thirdly, I travelled for the first time to Asia.
Ultimately, I started to do day game.

I don't even feel any urge to drink atm. I started to perceive alcohol as a downer and energy-sucking substance instead of performance booster. Girls are usually impressed with my strong will, almost none sees my sobriety as a negative thing

When hanging out with Russian comrades the social pressure was slightly high but I didn't fall for breaking for my personal goals.

Reading a lot of stoics and other philosophical theories helped me immensely with a mental fortitude that too much booze was diminishing.

I still struggle with staying focus and figuring out how to develop a second stream of income though. Summer heat, blazing sun and skimpily dressed women on the streets are not helping but I will get there.

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06-30-2018 08:43 AM
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RE: 1 Year Drinking Wagon Challenge for 2014
Hey wagon people.

Beware in this hot weather. When you get that craving for an ice cold beer what your body is actually craving is water, hydration..

A soda water with ice or a sparkling mineral water will give you the same feeling.
07-01-2018 01:28 PM
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RE: 1 Year Drinking Wagon Challenge for 2014
(07-01-2018 01:28 PM)Ski pro Wrote:  Hey wagon people.

Beware in this hot weather. When you get that craving for an ice cold beer what your body is actually craving is water, hydration..

A soda water with ice or a sparkling mineral water will give you the same feeling.

I second that.

Im trying to hit a month of sobriety and I've found that tonic or sparkling water with some bitters and ice feels pretty damn nice.

Also looks like a cocktail as well, so perfect for hanging with friends while they toss a few back.
07-11-2018 06:53 PM
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I took a 3 weeks break. It is quite hard while living in a country pretty much alcohol focused when doing social activities and for a guy like myself fully into a party mindset in the weekend. I wanted to take a break to clean myself for a while, focus on sport, cinema and other activities, and see the effect.

That's what I noticed:

PRO:
- Reduced fatigue during the day
- Sleeping better
- Not any cold taken
- Small reduction of body/fat
- General sensation of feeling good

CON:
- Devastated my night game
- Low level of energy when out to party
- Lack of excitement when Friday evening was coming

So there were benefits under the physical point of view, but the minus in terms of social life balanced them. I think that I will cut it down, especially when I am not traveling, but without going again cold turkey.
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RE: 1 Year Drinking Wagon Challenge for 2014
Almost clean for a month. I am falling asleep within 20 mins without performing complicated routines, taking multiple supplements or worrying too much about it. Pure bliss.

I do not have a desire to drink.

Problem is in my mind I have failed already. I am meeting old friends in Thailand in September for a reunion.I can meet them without alcohol, but I cannot seem to separate the idea of meeting women from drinking alcohol with them.

I cannot put the trip off either, at this point I am so thirsty for pussy that I cannot seem to enjoy anything without feeling a sense of deprivation. No amout of Albert Ellis books seems to cure this.
07-14-2018 11:01 AM
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(07-14-2018 11:01 AM)pirate Wrote:  Almost clean for a month. I am falling asleep within 20 mins without performing complicated routines, taking multiple supplements or worrying too much about it. Pure bliss.

I do not have a desire to drink.

Problem is in my mind I have failed already. I am meeting old friends in Thailand in September for a reunion.I can meet them without alcohol, but I cannot seem to separate the idea of meeting women from drinking alcohol with them.

I cannot put the trip off either, at this point I am so thirsty for pussy that I cannot seem to enjoy anything without feeling a sense of deprivation. No amout of Albert Ellis books seems to cure this.

Alright man, so what you are saying is:

-- It's impossible to enjoy anything in life if you don't have pussy
-- The only known way to get pussy is to go to Thailand in September
-- Pursuing pussy in Thailand in September must be accompanied by drinking
-- Therefore, as night follows day, it follows that you must drink on this September Thai trip and break your wagon. It is ordained and cannot be avoided, it's outside of your control.

I can almost respect this level of insanity, but I'm afraid the key word there is "almost". Smile

The reality, for what it's worth, is as follows:

-- You can of course enjoy other things in life even if you are deprived of pussy for whatever reason. Albert Ellis books are indeed insufficient in themselves; you must also act on their lessons and this requires a great deal of patience. Changing the way you think and feel about very basic things does not happen overnight.

-- Whatever your situation with respect to pussy, relying on drunken Thai trips as your sole means of obtaining it does not seem like the best possible strategy.

-- If you do go on this trip, nothing -- of course -- forces you to drink while you're there. Not even an out of control ladyboy on meth is likely to force a drink down your throat. It is entirely within your power to continue to abstain from alcohol at all times. You say that you cannot "seem" to separate the idea of meeting women from drinking, but again the operative word there is seem. In fact, these are two different things and can be rather easily separated should you choose to separate them.

-- Last, and most importantly: as long as you haven't had a drink since you declared your wagon, you haven't failed yet. Having "failed" in your mind is irrelevant, because you now have a chance to change your mind and to do what you know is right -- which is sticking with a decision that you took solemnly and staked your pride on, for good reasons. That is what you can and should do, and I hope you will.

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Almost eight months in, and I'm starting to have very frequent and very vivid dreams about breaking the wagon. I know that many others have reported this, but I've only begun to experience it recently. The dream always involves me breaking the wagon in the most innocuous of fashions - just seeing an opportunity to drink and then acting on the very slightest of urges. In reality, these days whenever I see the opportunity to drink, I don't even consider acting upon my urges as a possibility. I then always wake up with an extreme sense of guilt and shame, even though I've done nothing wrong. It's a bit like when your girl dreams you cheated on her, and then wakes up adorably angry. I'm not sure what it all means but it's an interesting development.
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Greetings wagon people.

I have decided to jump in. Last year managed to stay sober for 6 months. Then broke back into habit and started to drink occasionally. During Xmas went full loose and it felt bad. Always been this way.

Yes, I have a problem. I drink too often and too much. It interferes with gym progress and life in general. I am 40 and still, I want to achieve things in life, therefore I need to get rid of all obstacles that I am guilty of creating.

Being very succesful with noporn/nofap(clean from 2nd Jan) I look forward to no drinking with confidence. I know fapping and drinking are different but if I managed one, something tells me I can do the other.

Thanks for your time to whoever read this.

PS. The last drink I had on 17.07.2018

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Almost 4 months now sober, not so much as even a drop of Nyquil which I used to take just about every night for sleep. I credit most of it to Antabuse.

Strange thing about Antabuse is that I don't even take it every day, and it still works it's magic without fail. As a precaution, I keep two pills in the glove compartment 'just in case', but I've only had to take one of them during a routine grocery run near the liquor store on month number 2. I kept thinking, "Ah man what a great day to kick back a couple of 10% beers. Maybe Faxe, or perhaps something silkier like Rickard's Red".

Then, as I sat in my cheeky Mazda mulling over the possibilities of game, cinema and scoring hot and fast with this chick I'd been scoping out at the post office, as fast as I could I reached over, popped open the release and down it went. Dry. Temptation killed, instantly. No way was I gonna risk hacking up my lungs all night for a couple of beers. And believe you me I've spent many many nights doing just that, just not with Antabuse.

What also helped me was reading the Richard Burton (yes, him) diaries. The man had severe alcoholism and drank every day like some water-starved fish and, according to him at least, was the reason for his marriage breakdown to Liz Taylor. I even read somewhere that the man had alcohol crystals fused up and down his spine. A few tidbits:

6 October 1966 Became thoroughly drunk and went home and to bed (around 9.30) in silent fury. I really loathe drinking but what’s to do if everybody around is drinking. And I don’t just mean E.

18 October 1966, Italy. We drank sambuca and said nasty things to each other. We drove back in silence to Positano. We had soup in the room and slept. Christ how I hate such days. Beware of sambuca. It brings out evil things. It is a turner over of stones in damp caves.

2 November 1966 I have been more or less drunk for two days. I don’t know why but I enjoyed it thoroughly. I made a feeble pass at Karen, our Maria’s nurse, and apologised immediately and straightaway told it to E who thought it funny. Now what on earth possessed me to do that? It must be my impending 41st birthday. I think no permanent damage has been done to Karen I hope to God; she’s such a very good person.

24 July 1969 Last night I fell by the wayside and became drunk. It didn’t take much to make me so. Drink is a great anodyne – I had forgotten how boring people are. I’d forgotten how afraid people are. I’d forgotten how boring I am.

28 August 1969 I behaved in a way to make a banshee look kind, good and sweet. Insulting Elizabeth, drunk, periodically excusing myself rather shabbily and then starting the rough treatment all over again. Sometimes I am so much my father’s son that I give myself occasional creeps. He had the same gift for damaging with the tongue, he had the same temporary violence, he had the same fidelity to Mam that I have to Elizabeth, we wave the same admonitory finger at innocence when we know bloody well when we are guilt-ridden, when we have to attack when we know we’re in the defensive position.


I have been noticing as well that some things just seem more enjoyable now, without alcohol. Entertainment mostly. Cinema, home movies, music, even reading just seem less 'anxiety-driven' and more HONEST. No faking it. There is strong truth in sobriety. Alcohol is the father of lies, and I don't need strong drink to 'enjoy' the simple things, so what Lizard said about getting that natural thankfulness back is spot on.

It's not back fully of course, but it's slowly but surely coming back. I can feel it. Admittedly, sometimes I wonder if this is how Vader felt after killing the Emperor to save his son. It may kill me in the end but better this life than the next.
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