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(12-11-2013 02:47 AM)Vicious Wrote:  Guys here have this almost pathological association between marriage and kids. You'd think the educated guys here would have shed such social programming.

I agree.

I keep using the word marriage but what I mean is, "make babies with".

I do believe if you chose to have children with a woman that you should screen her as equally as you would if you chose to marry her.

Someone mentioned before that most pregnancies are accidents - I think this is terrible and disastrous, to allow something so important be an "accident".

For the sake of my children, the woman I chose as their mother is someone I would probably co-habit with for some time, but also retain my freedom to go and do as I please. A mutual agreement (signed into a prenup)

This is almost like having a wife but without the associated bullshit.
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(12-11-2013 02:57 AM)Vendetta Wrote:  
(12-11-2013 02:47 AM)Vicious Wrote:  Guys here have this almost pathological association between marriage and kids. You'd think the educated guys here would have shed such social programming.

I agree.

I keep using the word marriage but what I mean is, "make babies with".

I do believe if you chose to have children with a woman that you should screen her as equally as you would if you chose to marry her.

Someone mentioned before that most pregnancies are accidents - I think this is terrible and disastrous, to allow something so important be an "accident".

For the sake of my children, the woman I chose as their mother is someone I would probably co-habit with for some time, but also retain my freedom to go and do as I please. A mutual agreement (signed into a prenup)

This is almost like having a wife but without the associated bullshit.

This seems unlikely. Unless you are truly rich, and I mean, at least 5 million in the bank, you aren't going to have the power to pull off this kind of deal. Any woman you co-habit with and have a child with will have the exact same rights as if you married her. It's utterly meaningless whether you have the official marriage certificant or not. Even if you are rich, if you want to set up a prenup you will have to provide her and the child with a very significant chunk of change...a couple million at least. Or, in another country, maybe less money, in exchange for a kid who is raised in less successful circumstances.

Finally, if you have a genetically superior child and don't provide the guidance that only a father can provide, then you might as well marry a baboon. Genetics doesn't mean shit if the kid is dumped with no dad.

If you find a women worth of your seed, marry her and have kids. If you don't find such a women, then don't do any of it. Do or don't do. That's my opinion anyway.
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It seems no one has mentioned the amount of time you should spend with a woman before you can reasonably deem her a suitable person to spend around 18 years raising kids with. Whether you want it or not, if you choose to raise children together with a woman you're relationship with her will be marriage in all but name (unless you just decide to run off, which I'm assuming most in this thread aren't planning to do).

Long story short, if I ever choose to have kids with a woman, I better make damn sure she's someone I can spend 18+ years of my life with and not lose my sanity, which means I'd need a very long time to know what kind of a person she is, something like 5-10 years. This, I think, is more important than which country or region she is from.

The last thing you want is to settle down with a woman only find out she's some crazy psycho-bitch, or a drama queen with mood swings who has crying fits every month, or someone whose company you otherwise can't stand. This is something I feel you can only know after spending many years together. If you can't find a woman like that, or if you can't commit around two decades of your life with her, don't have children with her. Just my opinion.

Quote:Finally, if you have a genetically superior child and don't provide the guidance that only a father can provide, then you might as well marry a baboon.

I'd change this to "[...] only a good father can provide." Although less than ideal, being raised by a single mother is still preferable to being raised in a household where the father is either violent, a drunk or otherwise fucked up -- same goes the other way around, of course.

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(12-12-2013 09:15 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  This seems unlikely. Unless you are truly rich, and I mean, at least 5 million in the bank, you aren't going to have the power to pull off this kind of deal. Any woman you co-habit with and have a child with will have the exact same rights as if you married her. It's utterly meaningless whether you have the official marriage certificant or not. Even if you are rich, if you want to set up a prenup you will have to provide her and the child with a very significant chunk of change...a couple million at least. Or, in another country, maybe less money, in exchange for a kid who is raised in less successful circumstances.

Finally, if you have a genetically superior child and don't provide the guidance that only a father can provide, then you might as well marry a baboon. Genetics doesn't mean shit if the kid is dumped with no dad.

If you find a women worth of your seed, marry her and have kids. If you don't find such a women, then don't do any of it. Do or don't do. That's my opinion anyway.

Yes, all true. A good point. I suppose what I want IS to be there, to be more settled for those years BUT with the freedom to just bugger off for a couple of weeks whenever I please and live my own life without her bothering me. I was raised by a mother and my father was mostly absent (first due to work, then due to their divorce) and I have suffered from not having a male role model. So I'd want to be there for my kids more than my own dad was but not be one of those putz fathers who slobs about the house, pussy-whipped by the wife.

I think we're all agreed on that point or else we wouldn't be on this forum!

And when it comes to money, if I don't end up with over 100M... I won't be happy.

(12-12-2013 10:10 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  Long story short, if I ever choose to have kids with a woman, I better make damn sure she's someone I can spend 18+ years of my life with and not lose my sanity, which means I'd need a very long time to know what kind of a person she is, something like 5-10 years. This, I think, is more important than which country or region she is from.

The last thing you want is to settle down with a woman only find out she's some crazy psycho-bitch, or a drama queen with mood swings who has crying fits every month, or someone whose company you otherwise can't stand. This is something I feel you can only know after spending many years together. If you can't find a woman like that, or if you can't commit around two decades of your life with her, don't have children with her. Just my opinion.

Also very true. I think a year is a long enough time to know the character of a woman. I've never stayed in a relationship longer as I always get so bored but I could have, if it was for a long term goal like children. There is NOTHING that would drive me to "divorce" quicker than a mood swing woman. My mum was like that and when I sense it in a girl, my respect for her drops 90%. I also cannot stand overly-jealous women. Moodiness and jealousy.

Maybe I should forget about Argentinians and Italians.
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I still say you find a sexy Amazon bitch and start a football team...
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(12-13-2013 12:39 AM)Vendetta Wrote:  I think a year is a long enough time to know the character of a woman.

I used to think so, too, but my last girlfriend I was with for about ten months, last month of which her personality turned from this relatively cool person to this evil, hyper-moody psycho-bitch of epic proportions. For me, it would be more like 5 years, including a few years spent living together. Just my preference.

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(12-13-2013 03:25 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  
(12-13-2013 12:39 AM)Vendetta Wrote:  I think a year is a long enough time to know the character of a woman.

I used to think so, too, but my last girlfriend I was with for about ten months, last month of which her personality turned from this relatively cool person to this evil, hyper-moody psycho-bitch of epic proportions. For me, it would be more like 5 years, including a few years spent living together. Just my preference.

But the you've got to think, 18 years for the kids (assuming yiu have them in quick succession), PLUS an additional 5 to get to know the woman? That's 23 fucking years minimum!

Plus kids these days don't really leave home until about 24. Almost 30 years!
If I have kids at 45-50 I'd be 80 by the time the bitch moves out - fuck that!
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Quote: . Unless you are truly rich, and I mean, at least 5 million in the bank, you aren't going to have the power to pull off this kind of deal. Any woman you co-habit with and have a child with will have the exact same rights as if you married her. It's utterly meaningless whether you have the official marriage certificant or not. ,


The first part is someone of a limiting belief.

The second part is correct, but it's not a matter of legality status. Succumbing to marriage is a psychological battle that should be won to show who you are.
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While I have no immediate plans to ever marry or have children I too have pondered this question. Here are a few prerequisites for the mythical unicorn if I ever meet her.

1. She will be a virgin (aged between 18-26--peak fertility). I will be her first, last, and only sexual partner. I will never marry used merchandise. There are two kinds of women: the one's you have sex with and the one's you marry.
2. She will not be from the US or Western Europe (no feminist ideology allowed). Eastern Europe, Russia, Asia, or even Middle Eastern
3. She will want to be a mother and devout herself to raising my kids
4. She will not work. Her job is to manage the house and take care of the kids when I am at work.
5. She will be naturally submissive--I will not even have to lay down the law. She will want to submit and be a good wife.
6. Absolute whore in the bedroom. She will enjoy sex and do whatever I want in the bedroom. She will want to pleasure her man sexually. I will not beg for sex. It is mandatory.
7. She will be an excellent cook and keep my house clean.
8. She will probably have some religious foundation--but nothing too extreme.
9. She will not be materialistic (e.g. clothes, fashion, etc). I want a simple old fashioned woman.
10. She will be 100% loyal to me during good times and bad.
11. She will never play games with me (lie, withhold sex, cheat, or try to manipulate me, or any passive aggressiveness).

If I ever found this mythical unicorn I would treat her like a goddess and make sure she knew how much I loved/valued her.

Chances of finding such a creature 1/10000. I don't expect to ever meet the perfect woman.

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These two could be a problem!

1. She will be a virgin (aged between 18-26--peak fertility). I will be her first, last, and only sexual partner.

6. Absolute whore in the bedroom.
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1/10000?

Try adding a few zeroes.
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Personally I never made a "list". I like to have a better chance of actually finding somebody real.

If you want a woman who is going to be a good wife and mother, then you will need to have money to support her. That means, most likely, you wait until you are 32-38 years old, let's say...thats the age that many men have a career going and decide that chasing random pussy has gotten boring and they want to build a family. If you are 32-38 then you'll want a women who is 25-28...ideal age for a wife. A woman who is 25-28 isn't going to be a virgin, or if she is, she'll be fucking neurotic.

So forget the virgin part. Virginity made sense when women got married at 16 and herded goats for a career, but in today's world it's kind of silly.
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1. I think that to marry you have to require her virginity. There have been numerous threads and posts in these forums about the correlation between the number of sexual partners a woman has before marriage and the divorce rate risk. The highest likelihood for a successful marriage is a virgin bride. I want to reduce the odds of a divorce to as close to 0 as statistically possible, if I was ever to take the enormous risk of marrying a girl--even with an automatic pre-nup. Divorcees screw up the kids--which I don't want to ever happen.

The problem is that in Western slut culture this is hard to find--unless they are religious fanatics. Better odds hopefully in the third world and under-developed countries. It is too bad that men on this board will marry a non-virgin bride. Then you get into the dilemma of deciding upon how many previous sexual partners you are willing to tolerate 5,10,20,30,50? How are you ever going to verify this anyway? You could get caught with a "reformed slut" as a wife--we all know how that turns out.LOL. Much easier to verify virginity through medical examination and lie detector test.

Hell, in remote parts of the middle east, central Asia, parts of Asia, and a few other places in Africa, I could secure a virgin bride very easily. In these parts of the world, a woman is expected to be a virgin until marriage. All I have to do is negotiate with her family and court the girl for a while. The family would be grateful to me for taking the financial obligation off their hands. Women are seen as liabilities in these rural agrarian cultures.

2. The whore in the bedroom just means that she will do anything I want sexually. When you break in a virgin--you should be able to mold her views/perceptions of sexuality to please you. You have the upper-hand in the sexual relationship because of knowledge and experience. You will show her that it is her duty to please you sexually.

3. The 18-26 time frame for the girl is very important. This is when a woman is at her peak from a fertility perspective. I have read numerous studies which confirm that if you want to have the highest percentage chance of a healthy baby--this is the ideal time frame for a woman. Anything older and the odds of autism, birth defects, other disabilities increase dramatically. Why take a risk with your children? After all, that is the only reason to marry in the first place.

4. Mr.lemom--I agree I will be probably me much older than her--10 yrs(or more).

I do not expect to meet such a woman and plan accordingly, but if I was to marry and have kids these requirements would be mandatory.

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(12-15-2013 04:25 AM)Flavius Aetius Wrote:  While I have no immediate plans to ever marry or have children I too have pondered this question. Here are a few prerequisites for the mythical unicorn if I ever meet her.

1. She will be a virgin (aged between 18-26--peak fertility). I will be her first, last, and only sexual partner. I will never marry used merchandise. There are two kinds of women: the one's you have sex with and the one's you marry.
2. She will not be from the US or Western Europe (no feminist ideology allowed). Eastern Europe, Russia, Asia, or even Middle Eastern
3. She will want to be a mother and devout herself to raising my kids
4. She will not work. Her job is to manage the house and take care of the kids when I am at work.
5. She will be naturally submissive--I will not even have to lay down the law. She will want to submit and be a good wife.
6. Absolute whore in the bedroom. She will enjoy sex and do whatever I want in the bedroom. She will want to pleasure her man sexually. I will not beg for sex. It is mandatory.
7. She will be an excellent cook and keep my house clean.
8. She will probably have some religious foundation--but nothing too extreme.
9. She will not be materialistic (e.g. clothes, fashion, etc). I want a simple old fashioned woman.
10. She will be 100% loyal to me during good times and bad.
11. She will never play games with me (lie, withhold sex, cheat, or try to manipulate me, or any passive aggressiveness).

If I ever found this mythical unicorn I would treat her like a goddess and make sure she knew how much I loved/valued her.

Chances of finding such a creature 1/10000. I don't expect to ever meet the perfect woman.

They do make women like this. They are not unicorns, and you can even find them in the US. Mostly in the Bible belt.

But you can't marry her in the US. Her friends will ruin her. TV will ruin her. The law will ruin her. She will know that she can divorce you, take everything and the kids, and leave you with nothing the first time she catches you banging your secretary.

I've been married, and I'm not opposed to the institution. But if you're going to do it, do it elsewhere.

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(12-10-2013 10:42 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  
(12-09-2013 11:04 PM)Tytalus Wrote:  If you want to get married, the best resource to start is Athol Kay at marriedmansexlife.com He gives game/red pill advice for men. LTR game is a bit of a different animal and does require more maturity and patience to do well. Welcome to the long haul.

Here are some links for you from red pill sources:

http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2010/07/09/...-position/

http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/...e-part-ii/

http://judgybitch.com/2012/11/16/how-to-...ingle-men/

http://marriedmansexlife.com/2013/05/wif...-and-nice/

http://marriedmansexlife.com/2010/03/10-...se-a-wife/

Hmmm...I wasn't overly impressed by these articles. They is wayyy too much sucking-up to the Feminist jerks.

Interestingly enough, the only article that I really liked was Judgybitch. As ususal it's only a women who will actually just tell the truth about what fucking idiots other women are.

What I want to see is an article with this title:

"How to find a halfway decently acceptable wife in a world chock-full of selfish asshole women"

Now that would be making the point clear.

I don't think any of these authors would consider themselves feminist and all identify to some degree as red pill... I must not be seeing what you're seeing.
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Quote: 1. I think that to marry you have to require her virginity. There have been numerous threads and posts in these forums about the correlation between the number of sexual partners a woman has before marriage and the divorce rate risk. 


I read that study and the one thing that heartiste and the rest conveniently ignored is that the divorce figures are equally high when looking at men with a high number of sexual partners.

People here are giving lists about how the ideal woman would be for a successful marriage, while putting no demands on themselves. It's just how we on this board today tell all the newbies to create themselves a lifestyle that will serve as a catalyst for bangs. The same goes for relationships, you have to be someone a woman would truly want to have a successful Union with.
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(12-16-2013 05:00 AM)Vicious Wrote:  \
People here are giving lists about how the ideal woman would be for a successful marriage, while putting no demands on themselves. It's just how we on this board today tell all the newbies to create themselves a lifestyle that will serve as a catalyst for bangs. The same goes for relationships, you have to be someone a woman would truly want to have a successful Union with.

I've been married.

If you want a marriage that will last, find someone you get along with and enjoy doing things with. Can you sit across the table from this person, every day, for 20 years and not want to bury a hatchet in her forehead. THAT is what makes a great marriage, and virginity has no bearing whatsoever on this.
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Quote: 1. I think that to marry you have to require her virginity. There have been numerous threads and posts in these forums about the correlation between the number of sexual partners a woman has before marriage and the divorce rate risk. 


I read that study and the one thing that heartiste and the rest conveniently ignored is that the divorce figures are equally high when looking at men with a high number of sexual partners.

People here are giving lists about how the ideal woman would be for a successful marriage, while putting no demands on themselves. It's just how we on this board today tell all the newbies to create themselves a lifestyle that will serve as a catalyst for bangs. The same goes for relationships, you have to be someone a woman would truly want to have a successful Union with.

One germane fact, at least in the US--Women initiate approx 70% of divorces. Why?

When I was in college I realized that most of my classes were bullshit except from one professor. He left me with one idea that has been on my mind ever since. He was talking about society, women, and divorce in America (funny considering this was a Russian class).

He said that the one major reason for divorcee today was because of options. Today, women have too many options that they did not enjoy 100 yrs ago. They can work, divorcee and get 50% of a man's wealth, perpetual alimony, live off government welfare, etc. It is almost stupid if they don't divorcee the way the system is set up from an incentive point of view.

Solution: Find women who have reduced options in life (non-western, non-feminist women who live in poor/developing countries). These women who live in poverty have very few options in life. Their families are usually very conservative and make sure their daughters are virgins ( after all that is their only real value to a prospective suitor). They have taught these girls that their main role in life is to get married and bare children for their husbands. A woman over 25 and not married is looked down upon. These women desperately want to play the role of the good girl and wife. She requires no pressure or influence from me.

Furthermore, because she is poor and I will require a pre-nup and get married in a country which does not have feminist marriage laws---she will have no financial incentive to divorcee--or she is back on a plane to her underdeveloped country, with hostile parents who will resent/shun her for life.

The issue of bride's virginity is a must because it is her first, last, and only sexual relationship. This creates a special bond between me and her which sex is supposed to do in humans, except in Western Slut Culture.

I really don't care about the hypocrisy either in that I have had multiple sexual partners while denying her that opportunity ( I am not an equal opportunity employer when it comes to wives). Men throughout the centuries (in all most every culture) saw no contradiction in this whatsoever. We make the rules to suit our own needs.

As Demosthenes, the ancient Greek orator, explained it: "We have prostitutes for our pleasure, concubines for our health, and wives to bear us lawful offspring."

The demands on a man are already pretty brutal:

1. Have to work incredibly hard to pay, maintain, and raise my children and wife in a comfortable lifestyle. (in the west the average cost of a kid is about $240k from 0-18, excluding college.)

2.Being the sole bread winner is very difficult. That means you work whether you are sick, disabled, etc. It is all on you. I remember watching a documentary about a man working a sulfur mine in Indonesia--the job was going to kill him because he could not afford the proper equipment. He did it anyway to feed his wife and children. He will die anonymously, but I will always respect and admire him.

3. While working non-stop you still have to be their to guide your kids education and instill upon them a proper moral and ethical foundation. Hard when the prevailing culture is feminism.

4.Being the head of household means that ultimately you are responsible for everything good or bad that happens under your domain--sometimes these things are out of your control, but can be destructive (loss of job, health issues, your wife may become ill or incapacitated through injury,etc).

In this dangerous world we live (under the threat of state sponsored feminism) marriage and kids do not make sense. But if I was to ever marry I need to establish proper safeguards to ensure my happiness and the success of my progeny.

He has often been called the "Last of the Romans"

"We have prostitutes for our pleasure, concubines for our health, and wives to bear us lawful offspring."--Demosthenes (384–322 BC), Red Pill Greek Statesman
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RE: How To Chose The Mother Of Your Child
(12-16-2013 02:46 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:  
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People here are giving lists about how the ideal woman would be for a successful marriage, while putting no demands on themselves. It's just how we on this board today tell all the newbies to create themselves a lifestyle that will serve as a catalyst for bangs. The same goes for relationships, you have to be someone a woman would truly want to have a successful Union with.

I've been married.

If you want a marriage that will last, find someone you get along with and enjoy doing things with. Can you sit across the table from this person, every day, for 20 years and not want to bury a hatchet in her forehead. THAT is what makes a great marriage, and virginity has no bearing whatsoever on this.

What if she stops enjoying doing things with you 7 years into the marriage? What if she is susceptible to being convinced that it would be a good idea to bury a hatchet in your forehead? That is what virginity is a rough proxy for.

Of course, virginity is not the be-all-end-all of successful marriage, but its effect is huge: it is larger than the effects of education, marital age, religion and family background combined.

Also, while I find it completely believable that men with high partner counts experience the same risk of divorce, it doesn't change the facts that A) most divorces are initiated by women and B) women are (with rare exceptions) using their power on the sexual market to select for exactly such men, making them overrepresented in that small part of divorces that are caused by men. A woman who married an alpha with a high partner count deserves far more blame than a man who married a slut with a high partner count - she had other options.

Either way, I don't see how the importance of virginity can be dismissed. I personally don't think it should be absolutely clung to (I'd marry a woman with a few previous partners if she was high quality in all other regards and we were in a sane country), but it is undeniably a strong factor.

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RE: How To Chose The Mother Of Your Child
(12-16-2013 03:59 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  What if she stops enjoying doing things with you 7 years into the marriage? What if she is susceptible to being convinced that it would be a good idea to bury a hatchet in your forehead? That is what virginity is a rough proxy for.

Of course, virginity is not the be-all-end-all of successful marriage, but its effect is huge: it is larger than the effects of education, marital age, religion and family background combined.

Also, while I find it completely believable that men with high partner counts experience the same risk of divorce, it doesn't change the facts that A) most divorces are initiated by women and B) women are (with rare exceptions) using their power on the sexual market to select for exactly such men, making them overrepresented in that small part of divorces that are caused by men. A woman who married an alpha with a high partner count deserves far more blame than a man who married a slut with a high partner count - she had other options.

Either way, I don't see how the importance of virginity can be dismissed. I personally don't think it should be absolutely clung to (I'd marry a woman with a few previous partners if she was high quality in all other regards and we were in a sane country), but it is undeniably a strong factor.

What you're describing is the American phenomenon of profit divorce. Virgin or no, if get married in America you're setting yourself up for failure. She will ALWAYS know she can take you to the cleaners here. Being a virgin at the time of nuptials does not prevent this. I would caution anyone against marriage in the United States for legal reasons.

What I'm talking about having a relationship that is sustainable. I've done the virgin thing and the novelty wears off real fast. And sure, people change and she could suddenly decide she doesn't like clam diving anymore. But how often do people change that much?

Another thing about virgins is that they're young. If a woman is over 20 and has not had dick, something is WRONG with her. So that means that you're dealing with someone who does not know who she is yet. That is when you're likely to get a woman who, being with the same guy since she was 19, suddenly decides at 30 that she needs to "find herself". God forbid you're married to this woman in America, she'll strip you to the bone in the divorce and turn your kids against you.

Pedastalizing virgins, just like with any other "special" kind of woman, will only lead to disappointment. Virgins are not saints, and many of the women who prolong abstinence do so because they lack a sex drive. I myself prefer sluts. They dress the way I like, fuck the way I like, and don't generally get so attached that I can't scrape them off when I get bored with them.

Bottom line: pedastalizing virgins is just another form of "oneitis". She's not special, because NONE OF THEM ARE.
12-16-2013 05:41 PM
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RE: How To Chose The Mother Of Your Child
Virginity is a good proxy for feminine values. Intelligence, future time orientation, patience, discernment, good-upbringing in a solid family, resistance to pop culture and corrosive ideologies. Couple that with the pair bonding that a virgin will have and you have a good idea that a virginal woman is one who is worth committing to.

This is only valid up until a certain age range though. Past 25 and a woman who is still a virgin might be a warning flag for emotional issues.


Edit: I notice Shotgun Styles and I had a similar idea, but his age cutoff is 20 rather than my 25. Just from personal experience I know that a lot of the higher IQ girls are just never sexually active until later in life. One of my best girl friends in High School was a virgin until at least 24. She's also one of the more intelligent, down-to-earth, and drama-free girls I've known. At my college you also had a pretty big segment of the female population that wasn't into the drunken hookup scene that college has devolved into -- Some of the more attractive and intelligent girls on campus were virgins (at least claimed to be).

If you're looking in the right subcultures I definitely think it's not that unusual to find a virgin past 20.
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RE: How To Chose The Mother Of Your Child
I'm guessing from OPs post, he has never been to most of the countries he has already ruled out.
Quote:Solution: Find women who have reduced options in life (non-western, non-feminist women who live in poor/developing countries). These women who live in poverty have very few options in life. Their families are usually very conservative and make sure their daughters are virgins ( after all that is their only real value to a prospective suitor). They have taught these girls that their main role in life is to get married and bare children for their husbands. A woman over 25 and not married is looked down upon. These women desperately want to play the role of the good girl and wife. She requires no pressure or influence from me.

Agreed 100%
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RE: How To Chose The Mother Of Your Child
(12-16-2013 07:32 PM)demolition Wrote:  Virginity is a good proxy for feminine values. Intelligence, future time orientation, patience, discernment, good-upbringing in a solid family, resistance to pop culture and corrosive ideologies.

I have seen no evidence to support this. And I do mean none.

I've known plenty of Quaker type "family values" girls and they are massive sheep. Followers to the nth degree who give 10 percent to the church like their life depended on it. Ask them about any topical subject and you will get the Fox News 3 word slogan of the week. Verbatim.

I've also known tons of slut bomb college girls who would crush one of your country Puritans with her IQ. I'm talking bio engineer, celestial mechanics type IQs, sucking dick in the stadium bathroom stall.

Sluttiness/prudishness =/= intelligence.
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RE: How To Chose The Mother Of Your Child
(12-16-2013 10:00 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:  
(12-16-2013 07:32 PM)demolition Wrote:  Virginity is a good proxy for feminine values. Intelligence, future time orientation, patience, discernment, good-upbringing in a solid family, resistance to pop culture and corrosive ideologies.

I have seen no evidence to support this. And I do mean none.

I've known plenty of Quaker type "family values" girls and they are massive sheep. Followers to the nth degree who give 10 percent to the church like their life depended on it. Ask them about any topical subject and you will get the Fox News 3 word slogan of the week. Verbatim.

I've also known tons of slut bomb college girls who would crush one of your country Puritans with her IQ. I'm talking bio engineer, celestial mechanics type IQs, sucking dick in the stadium bathroom stall.

Sluttiness/prudishness =/= intelligence.

The fact that exceptions exist doesn't really negate the general statistics that more intelligent women (in Western societies) typically have fewer sexual partners and begin having sex later in life. The girls I'm talking about are from my first hand experience at top-tier US colleges like Harvard, Amherst, Swarthmore, Williams, etc. There's a reason why ~65% of Harvard's freshmen are virgins.
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