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RE: Men who "propose" to their wives are invariably betas who get divorce raped
(This post was last modified: 05-01-2016 09:27 PM by Mercenary.)
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RE: Men who "propose" to their wives are invariably betas who get divorce raped
This is completely fucked up. Even worse some UK asians (my bro in law, brother too I think) actually do the following.
Marriage in the South Asian community is quite serious and family oriented, so not conducive to the typical "on your knees soldier" proposal bullshit. But not to be outdone by their non-desi counterparts, these guys have gone up a level.
So these guys figure out they wanna get married. Either they were 'introduced' by matrimonial community networks or met some other way. Next the parents are notified at which point they take over. Relatives of both familes would be notified and everyone would be round to congratulate you. Familiea get to know each other and make plans for the wedding in a years time. A few months later, my sister and future BIL go out for.....
THE PROPOSAL
Thats right boys...6 months after agreeing to get married, and even after getting engaged, they PLAN a fucking proposal. Go to a nice dinner, BIL gets on a knee, tells my sister how he loves her so, how she has changed his life and if she would marry him. Well, what the fuck does he think has been going on the last 6 months.
I find out about this as my sister casually mentions to my other sister at home "we had our PROPOSAL today." I was like "Whaaat? But you guys had an arranged marriage"
But it seems to all the rage now with blue pill south asian englanders. My brother be like "Yo, you wanna come out for dinner with us, Im gonna propose tonight". Im all "Yo, you already engaged bro".
At my cousins engagement he's getting ready to put the ring on her finger as about 10 girls in the back start shouting "ON ONE KNEE, ON ONE KNEE" and I thought if that were me those girls are getting thrown out that very moment, infront of a hundred guests. No one asks the King to get on one knee, certainly not on his engagement party.
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RE: Men who "propose" to their wives are invariably betas who get divorce raped
(05-01-2016 08:56 PM)Mercenary Wrote: snip
Seeing men get turned down at proposals always makes me cringe. Not in a "what an embarrassing moment for that sucker" kind of way, but a mournful sympathy kind of way. That man was set to lay it all on the line for a girl, and it wasn't enough. It's the absolute zenith of rejection. It's only compounded when its a spectacle.
As for OP; I disagree. Nothing wrong with the Western tradition of taking a knee. It's classic, romantic, and symbolic. We talk a lot about how a woman's natural imperative is to lock down a suitable man who can provide and make a family with her. The tradition of proposal isn't "begging" but rather a symbol that the wild untamed man is ready to become tame and commit his life to a woman. The act of getting on one knee (genuflection) is a gesture of respect, not submission.
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Mage
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RE: Men who "propose" to their wives are invariably betas who get divorce raped
My opinion is that marriage is sacred for the purpose of raising children. There is no other reason to get married other then to raise children.
Even in older religious older times it was even acceptable to divorce if your partner was infertile, because a fruitless union is useless.
The stupidest thing that happened was that marriage became associated with "love" (read lust) and people started to get married for love even without plans to raise children.
So in my opinion a man should only marry if:
1)He wants children with this current woman, he is convinced she would be a good wife and a good mother. In this case he should not offer marriage but should offer her to conceive a child together. The woman should feel honored, because that is the greatest honor a woman can receive from a man - to be asked to be mother for his children. Then it is the ball in woman's court to ask is marriage is included in this deal and the man should answer yes because he wants his children to know that his parents have sworn to be faithful to each other and feel the stability of his parents love.
2)His woman already is carrying his child and he wants to raise that child believing she would make a decent mother.
In both cases:
No kneeling - a woman must feel honored for being chosen as mother of man's children and not feel as being a special snowflake for merely having a vagina.
No engagement ring - the pregnancy is your sign of engagement. A ring should feel as something totally insignificant compared to a living baby to a loving woman. You could buy an engagement ring if your woman was virgin before you, has never had other men, but it is not really necessary.
A simple, cheap and not flashy ceremony - spare that money for your your family house, your family car, your family business and other practical needs. A practical woman who wants to spend a lifetime with you will appreciate investing money in long term projects rather then blowing a large sum in one day. If a woman insists on expensive wedding that means she is more interested in the short term attention whoring rather then lifelong dedication and it should be a major red flag.
The simpler the wedding the stronger the marriage.
A marriage where the partners don't want children yet or at all is stupid. Only marry if you want children ASAP.
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RE: Men who "propose" to their wives are invariably betas who get divorce raped
(05-03-2016 11:05 PM)General Stalin Wrote: Seeing men get turned down at proposals always makes me cringe. Not in a "what an embarrassing moment for that sucker" kind of way, but a mournful sympathy kind of way.
I wouldn't wish that level of pain on anyone and I feel sorry for the men who get rejected so brutally.
But these men, to a large extent bring it on themselves. In a serious relationship there are conversations about where the relationship is going. In the majority of cases the man already knows the woman want to marry him. The men who get publicly rejected are proposing because they know the woman doesn't want to marry them. They're hoping to get a yes either because it's public and it will be hard for her to say no or because they're hoping the proposal will push her into the zone where she likes him as much as he likes her.
This is the male equivalent of the girl who deliberately gets pregnant to keep a guy. Except it's a lot less effective, it's coming from a place of extreme weakness and as we all know women are not attracted to weakness.
Women are not shy about their desire to get married. If she wants to get married she'll drop strong hints. If she's not dropping hints or outright talking about being married then it's not a good idea to propose.
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