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My cousin told me that he used too endure some harassment from thais during his first years of school. With that said they warmed up too him and his first girlfriend was thai i believe, cant remember. Only problem i encountered during my last visit was when i accidentally shoulder bumped this drunk thai dude and he shouted something after me. Something keak or something with some follow up words. With that said i always had pleasant time there. My uncles wifes brother is married to a thai so there are always exceptions.
03-25-2015 04:56 AM
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A lot of guys who frequent Thailand only have experience with the redlight district or what I call the sub red-light district which is a scene of sponsorship and girls pretending not to be hoes.

Let's be real here:

Blacks and indians. Not liked for the most part. This prejudice is strong because Thai culture is inherently ethnocentric. Porcelain Chinese = holy. Very light = good. Dusky/brown = bad. Dark = hilarious, bad.

There is a hip hop segment that wouldn't mind black but they are mostly thai-americans or thai scene people. There are also some regular thai girls who wouldn't mind black but they exist outside the norm for sure.

With that being said farang (white european types) aren't held on any sort of pedestal. It's considered exploitable chattle for the elites and at best atm machines for a lot of women. There's no deference there but only a kind of hidden disdain a lot of times.

Don't be confused, there's only one ethnic minority in top pole position in Thailand.
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(03-24-2015 09:54 PM)Adrenaline Wrote:  
(03-24-2015 09:44 PM)pialox Wrote:  
(03-19-2015 01:51 PM)DMario Wrote:  Ahh so basically the same as Cambodia. I'm mostly going just to have a good time, as I dont really find Thai girls that attractive. I'm always up for a challenge though.

Aussie girls have a thing for African American guys, I'm fairly certain that has been mentioned on here or on RoK. So if you are on your way to Thailand make a stop over in Sydney and you should be able to pretty easily slay some down under poon with some decent game.

This is true, but it's mostly the tatted up bogan girls with daddy issues (half the Australian female population). You'll always find these types of girls in the r&b clubs so definitely hit those up if you're an African American brother. The quality, well brought-up girls aren't interested in black guys though as they have a sleazy reputation here.

With respect mate, I think what you say here is highly inaccurate. African American's seem to have suitors across socio-economic and ethinic lines, at least in Sydney.

Black (Americans) people don't have a sleazy reputation in Australia. It's fairly neutral as there is literally no significant representation in the country. They are total outliers and thus have a really high exotic factor.
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(03-25-2015 05:16 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  A lot of guys who frequent Thailand only have experience with the redlight district or what I call the sub red-light district which is a scene of sponsorship and girls pretending not to be hoes.

Let's be real here:

Blacks and indians. Not liked for the most part. This prejudice is strong because Thai culture is inherently ethnocentric. Porcelain Chinese = holy. Very light = good. Dusky/brown = bad. Dark = hilarious, bad.

There is a hip hop segment that wouldn't mind black but they are mostly thai-americans or thai scene people. There are also some regular thai girls who wouldn't mind black but they exist outside the norm for sure.

With that being said farang (white european types) aren't held on any sort of pedestal. It's considered exploitable chattle for the elites and at best atm machines for a lot of women. There's no deference there but only a kind of hidden disdain a lot of times.

Don't be confused, there's only one ethnic minority in top pole position in Thailand.

Spot the fuck on.

Though I wouldn't say they consider dark = bad. They just consider dark skinned Thais to be workers.

Prejudice against Indians goes back a long, long way. Much of the Thai vocabulary is derived from Indian languages as is their religion and many customs. Thai people will go a long way to make a point of Indians being beneath them, even though the established Indian families are on average shitloads wealthier than even the Thai Chinese.
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(03-25-2015 05:50 AM)CodyB Wrote:  Though I wouldn't say they consider dark = bad. They just consider dark skinned Thais to be workers.

Not bad in the moral sense of course but definitely social standing. Kon dam dam as a joke for instance. It's used to make fun and denigrate color and class. There are Isaan generals who are brown or dusky who have their kids made fun of. They surpass all that not because of some P.C. protocol but a sense of nationality. Can't say that's the same for America..it's a fractional nation of multiplicities and duplicity.

It's not definite in Thai society. People take it for what it is and go above. If you notice a lot of thai politico, stars (tony jaa), and others are as brown as hell. They do well though.
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Out of curiosity what drew you guys to Thailand?

If better standards of living, warm weather, and hot girls with less xenophobia can be found elsewhere throughout Asia what did Thailand have to offer?

"Better weird than celibate"
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For me Bangkok has the best infrastructure, western amenities and nightlife in SEA at a reasonable price.
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(03-24-2015 09:44 PM)pialox Wrote:  
(03-19-2015 01:51 PM)DMario Wrote:  Ahh so basically the same as Cambodia. I'm mostly going just to have a good time, as I dont really find Thai girls that attractive. I'm always up for a challenge though.

Aussie girls have a thing for African American guys, I'm fairly certain that has been mentioned on here or on RoK. So if you are on your way to Thailand make a stop over in Sydney and you should be able to pretty easily slay some down under poon with some decent game.

I'm live in Cambodia man, not really a chance to in Sydney haha I wish though.
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How'd you end up in Cambodia anyways? How long have you been there? I've only spent a few days there but it's a place I'd like to check out more.
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(03-25-2015 08:22 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  How'd you end up in Cambodia anyways? How long have you been there? I've only spent a few days there but it's a place I'd like to check out more.

I work in the Embassy here, been here about 2 weeks. I havent had alot of time to really explore. I've only been in Phnom Penh but Im looking forward to visiting the islands. I think I'll be better suited in Bangkok though as its more civilized. Phnom Penh feels like the wild wild west. I'll be living in Cambodia for 1 year, then hopefully taking my talents to South America.
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(03-24-2015 02:57 AM)nomadicdude Wrote:  And another thing is how irrelevant it is for white guys who visit BKK and talk to 10 girls in the tourist industry to lecture the world about how racist Thai ppl are.

I spend five days a week teaching rich, yellow-shirt Thai's. I know how they think. 99% of visitors to Thailand have absolutely no idea about Thai culture/the Thai mind. (Thailand Veteran knows what he's talking about. As do RioNomad and DirectDanger etc.)

Thai's are very noticeably hostile towards 'outsiders'. To a level that is completely incomparable to Britain and Taiwan in my experience.

Thailand is VERY big on 'hierachy' and 'seniority'. It's EMBEDDED into their culture, language and every day life. Different pronouns, different greetings and different vocabulary items, depending on whether they are your 'superior' or 'subordinate'.

As a general example. You give the 'Wai' ONLY to your superiors. You add the prefix 'P' before the name of a person older than you to show respect.

Hence, a lot of Thai people will also look down on you (like they do their inferiors) unless you show them you are 'superior' or at least have an 'honorable stake in society'. If you don't have those things you can forget about bagging a 'big catch'. (Though you'll still get plenty of action).

Their are ten teachers I have worked with at my school.

I would guess that only two of them have NEVER been looked down on.

1) Me, because I make it clear that I've had a much better education than them and have worked in a much better job than them (Was an Engineer in England. That means a lot here for some reason. Personally, I couldn't care less about people's crappy careers). Also, despite it being a TEFL job, I make more money than most of them. So I get the stake in society pass

2) The American who speaks almost Native-level Thai and served in the U.S army for years. This guy knows the country inside-out and is the best conversationalist I've ever met. Give him sixty seconds in a class and he'll have all eight of them sharing their deepest, darkest secrets.

Too long, didn't read: Mid-to-High class Thai people are incredibly hostile to outsiders. Hence, you need to find a way to get a stake in THEIR society.
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(03-24-2015 05:49 AM)Adrenaline Wrote:  Black men have a greater chance of landing a regular Thai girl than an Indian would, put it that way. I've seen the reactions (even from the pros) to the Indians that flood lower Sukhumvit.

Yeah some Indians, especially if they're older, poorly dressed and dark skinned would have trouble even banging a hooker. They are seen as really cheap sometimes even counting the stangs (cents of the bath) and there is stories about them tricking to hookers or surprise the girls by having several friends waiting in the room when she arrives to gang bang her. Hence some of them will have to go to the ladyboys.

But I think an Africa FOB from Somalia or Ghana would struggle to.

(03-25-2015 05:16 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  With that being said farang (white european types) aren't held on any sort of pedestal.

I partly disagree. Perhaps most of the Thai people have a neutral view on foreigners however there is a large group of Thai girls who is overly interested in foreigners. There is groups on facebook with more than ten thousand members where girls will post pics of hot farangs, warn about creepy foreigners on Thaifriendy or ask if anyone is chatting with the same guy as they are to spot the playboys. And most of this girls are regular girls with regular jobs, some of them hot, some really rich and so on. There is also discussions about dating foreigners on forums like pantip.
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(03-25-2015 04:12 PM)Satoshi Wrote:  
(03-24-2015 05:49 AM)Adrenaline Wrote:  Black men have a greater chance of landing a regular Thai girl than an Indian would, put it that way. I've seen the reactions (even from the pros) to the Indians that flood lower Sukhumvit.

Yeah some Indians, especially if they're older, poorly dressed and dark skinned would have trouble even banging a hooker. They are seen as really cheap sometimes even counting the stangs (cents of the bath) and there is stories about them tricking to hookers or surprise the girls by having several friends waiting in the room when she arrives to gang bang her. Hence some of them will have to go to the ladyboys.
I have heard about that so many times. A Thai guy I used to know said the same thing. Some indians tend to think that every girl from other cultures are whores other indians included. thailand is cheap for average Indian. For some of them thailand is nothing more than p4p playground other times its a place for opportunity too.
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(03-25-2015 12:06 PM)LeightonBlackstock Wrote:  As a general example. You give the 'Wai' ONLY to your superiors. You add the prefix 'P' before the name of a person older than you to show respect.

I think we can end the race/skin colour debate here. If you are white and behave like most other farangs in thailand your skin colour won't help much anyway. As LB said success in thailand more depends on behaviour, cultural knowledge and respect.

Interesting you mentioned the P'. Don't know if people here know - Most thai girls also call their bfs P' XXX ( followed by nickname).

So if you meet a girl who adresses you in that way you can be sure you both met a good girl and you are actually doing many things right.

A bargirl or a girl who frequently fucks farangs would never do that.

Especially in public: Never allow a girl calling you baby, honey, darling, unless you don't care what other ppl think about you.

It's just a small thing but learning how to greet people properly already takes you far ahead of most other dudes in thailand.

Typical situation in a restaurant: Farang takes a girl to dinner- waitress comes, turns to the girl to note the order,completely ignoring him. At the end she comes with the bill - ''Mr. 500 THB pls!''

That perfectly shows the situation -thais are not openly hostile to foreigners but don't show any respect either.

If you speak a bit thai to hold a very simple conversation address e.g. a waitress with '' Nong krab'' and see what happens.

If it is a restaurant frequented by farangs she might first be a little surprised, but then she ll for sure calls you with a respectful P' kha.

And I can assure you - your date will be impressed!

Regarding both P'/Nong and WAI - only use it when you know how, otherwise you make a fool of yourself: Pls don't WAI to taxi drivers or security guys. Also the 60yo old mamasan in your favourite gogobar is not P'XXX lol.
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(03-25-2015 04:12 PM)Satoshi Wrote:  
(03-25-2015 05:16 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  With that being said farang (white european types) aren't held on any sort of pedestal.

I partly disagree. Perhaps most of the Thai people have a neutral view on foreigners however there is a large group of Thai girls who is overly interested in foreigners. There is groups on facebook with more than ten thousand members where girls will post pics of hot farangs, warn about creepy foreigners on Thaifriendy or ask if anyone is chatting with the same guy as they are to spot the playboys. And most of this girls are regular girls with regular jobs, some of them hot, some really rich and so on. There is also discussions about dating foreigners on forums like pantip.

The common misconception is that all a guy needs to do is show up to one of those nightclubs in Thonglor or RCA and with the powers of WGF they will pick up hot girls. It's just not the case. Bangkok is still a far cry from Jakarta or even Manila in this regard. There needs to be more brought to the table especially when it comes to looks and status. A good looking foreign guy will do alright. An average farang will likely just walk away really disappointed. An average foreign dude is not going to compete with the local Thai guys for the same girls just on foreigner value alone.

Bangkok is a place of exaggerations a lot of times.
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(03-25-2015 06:43 AM)the high Wrote:  Out of curiosity what drew you guys to Thailand?

If better standards of living, warm weather, and hot girls with less xenophobia can be found elsewhere throughout Asia what did Thailand have to offer?

Thai friends and scuba. It's puzzling why some guys prefer Thailand though as a place to live. It's a really overhyped place in a lot of ways. I bought into it for awhile too. I find Thais to be a pretty jaded lot as well. Too many tourists and other lame people passing through makes their attitudes worse than other places in SEA in my opinion.
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(03-25-2015 08:30 AM)DMario Wrote:  I work in the Embassy here, been here about 2 weeks. I havent had alot of time to really explore. I've only been in Phnom Penh but Im looking forward to visiting the islands. I think I'll be better suited in Bangkok though as its more civilized. Phnom Penh feels like the wild wild west. I'll be living in Cambodia for 1 year, then hopefully taking my talents to South America.

So you work in the Australian Embassy in PNH? I went there once for a party and you guys had a weird way to buy drinks since you technically aren't allowed to sell alcohol there. I think we had to buy hats or tokens and then trade them for drinks if I remember correctly lol. Nothings gonna stop the Aussies from getting their drink on.
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(03-25-2015 11:05 PM)Laurifer Wrote:  So you work in the Australian Embassy in PNH? I went there once for a party and you guys had a weird way to buy drinks since you technically aren't allowed to sell alcohol there. I think we had to buy hats or tokens and then trade them for drinks if I remember correctly lol. Nothings gonna stop the Aussies from getting their drink on.

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(03-25-2015 06:39 PM)Thailand_Veteran Wrote:  
(03-25-2015 12:06 PM)LeightonBlackstock Wrote:  As a general example. You give the 'Wai' ONLY to your superiors. You add the prefix 'P' before the name of a person older than you to show respect.

I think we can end the race/skin colour debate here. If you are white and behave like most other farangs in thailand your skin colour won't help much anyway. As LB said success in thailand more depends on behaviour, cultural knowledge and respect.

Interesting you mentioned the P'. Don't know if people here know - Most thai girls also call their bfs P' XXX ( followed by nickname).

So if you meet a girl who adresses you in that way you can be sure you both met a good girl and you are actually doing many things right.

A bargirl or a girl who frequently fucks farangs would never do that.

Especially in public: Never allow a girl calling you baby, honey, darling, unless you don't care what other ppl think about you.

It's just a small thing but learning how to greet people properly already takes you far ahead of most other dudes in thailand.

Typical situation in a restaurant: Farang takes a girl to dinner- waitress comes, turns to the girl to note the order,completely ignoring him. At the end she comes with the bill - ''Mr. 500 THB pls!''

That perfectly shows the situation -thais are not openly hostile to foreigners but don't show any respect either.

If you speak a bit thai to hold a very simple conversation address e.g. a waitress with '' Nong krab'' and see what happens.

If it is a restaurant frequented by farangs she might first be a little surprised, but then she ll for sure calls you with a respectful P' kha.

And I can assure you - your date will be impressed!

Regarding both P'/Nong and WAI - only use it when you know how, otherwise you make a fool of yourself: Pls don't WAI to taxi drivers or security guys. Also the 60yo old mamasan in your favourite gogobar is not P'XXX lol.

I've noticed with Thai girls that work with tourists, or those that are involved with foreigners, that they often literally have a different personality when speaking Thai compared to when they speak English. I met a friend's Thai girlfriend the other night, and speaking Thai with me her manners were impeccable, and she was very deferential, but in the group when speaking English she was over-confident, and at times crude. Seen it countless times, even with girls from good backgrounds.

On the waiing, personally I almost never wai anybody - doesn't fit well with me. I usually use phi, lung / pa etc., though, and nong in some situations. I also speak more politely than most Thais I know when ordering food or first meeting people etc., but that's just my style in English and Thai.

As for having a stake in society, Leighton made some really good points, and of course being in a respectable position is going to help to compete with the Thai competition, which is pretty strong. But myself I'm not trying to let her qualify me when we've just met, and to fit into her frame. I don't tend to get the typical what do you do, how long have you been here for, how long are you staying questions early on, because I come in pretty rapid fire with jokes and flirting. Most of the competition (Thai included) are trying to impress her with what they do and how important they are, so when they do come up, I try and brush them off in a jokey way, take back the frame and then have her qualifying herself to me instead. In mixed groups when it comes up, I answer honestly and then keep it moving.
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(03-24-2015 02:57 AM)nomadicdude Wrote:  And another thing is how irrelevant it is for white guys who visit BKK and talk to 10 girls in the tourist industry to lecture the world about how racist Thai ppl are.

I spend five days a week teaching rich, yellow-shirt Thai's. I know how they think. 99% of visitors to Thailand have absolutely no idea about Thai culture/the Thai mind. (Thailand Veteran knows what he's talking about. As do RioNomad and DirectDanger etc.)

Thai's are very noticeably hostile towards 'outsiders'. To a level that is completely incomparable to Britain and Taiwan in my experience.

Thailand is VERY big on 'hierachy' and 'seniority'. It's EMBEDDED into their culture, language and every day life. Different pronouns, different greetings and different vocabulary items, depending on whether they are your 'superior' or 'subordinate'.

As a general example. You give the 'Wai' ONLY to your superiors. You add the prefix 'P' before the name of a person older than you to show respect.

Do you wai to new girls you meet? For all I know the girl is supposed to give the wai to the guy first (at least if she is not the older one). But most girls won't give a wai to a farang coz they don't know if he is familiar with the social conventions. So an option would be to give the wai to the girl first. Provided that you wai correctly I figure it is a good way to instantly show her that you know about the culture. I have never tried it coz I always assumed it makes me look like a stupid farang. But after talking to multiple girls about that I think different now. Every single one of them said that they would appreciate it.

About giving the wai to security guards: I believe it could be useful if you wai the security guards of your apartment building (at least in situations where you are not with a girl). Giving them a wai is associated with showing them respect. Others pay them money or give them presents to win their favor. A simple wai could do the same job.
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Do you guys who speak/understand Thai feel like you're connecting with more of the "real" Thailand, like, actually getting under the skin of the place?

Getting a sense for what drives these people, what they actually care about, what they like/value, etc? Getting any real honest opinions out of them?

I found that particularly difficult there... everything was all smiles and telling me what they thought wanted to hear, or just laughing if I tried to get something deeper out of them... from basically everyone.

I dont blame them at all, afterall I was a short-term foreigner who doesn't speak their language. Would be nice to "get" them more though.

Interestingly I also found there to be a real lack of books that provide genuine insight into Thai culture and what makes Thais tick. For almost every other economically significant asian country there are some great books that can get you under the skin of the place... most of the books on "Thai culture" seem to be about the seedy bar scene, lol.
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Day to day conversations rarely extend beyond food, gossip and the weather..
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haha. Righto! So I didn't exactly miss out on some hidden layer of deep meaningful interaction then.. Wink
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RE: Bangkok Datasheet 2014.
I wouldn't bother waiing to girls, and forget trying to show how much you know about the culture; it just seems approval seeking to me. Just have good manners and behave with grace, and you're not going to offend anybody.

On the Thai, learning Thai changed everything for me from success with women, ease of going about my day to day business and being well liked doing it (for example locking down night-venues became easier), and making friends with young Thai men. It's true that a lot of their interests don't go any deeper than soap operas, som-tam, and sanuk, but they really do vary as much as we do in both outlook and their interests. Plenty of young Thai interested in cool stuff like photography, art, music, literature, and plenty that are a lot more open minded than the average Somchai.
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RE: Bangkok Datasheet 2014.
I never had the need to learn Thai but I feel this year I will.

Has anyone hired a private tutor? I think an okay one pays around 200bht/hr or should I go to classes?
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