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(09-23-2014 03:58 PM)tallandblonde Wrote:  
(09-23-2014 02:02 PM)jamaicabound Wrote:  Been looking forward to this show for a minute, even before it rolled out however don't have HBO at the moment, I'll have to get a pw to one of my buddies on demand or something like that but yeah been hearing good things.

I recommend the site tubeplus.me to watch all types of shows...It collects links to external streams. Works very well and that way you don't have to mooch off friends for a password.

Better yet, get torrents. You get to watch the show in HD quality (torrents are available in all sizes from HD to SD) and you can keep the file if you really like the show and want to re-watch later.
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Whatever they do for season 2 (or beyond), it's gonna pretty tough to top (or even match) season 1.

Season 1 was just that good (the 'ehhh' ending notwithstanding).
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(09-23-2014 04:08 PM)YossariansRight Wrote:  Whatever they do for season 2 (or beyond), it's gonna pretty tough to top (or even match) season 1.

Season 1 was just that good (the 'ehhh' ending notwithstanding).

Wasn't the producer or director of that show saying that he was sorry for not including 'strong female characters' in season 1? I am sure going forward there will be a focus on including more female characters. At one point there was talk of having an all female lead for the show but they went with Vaughn and Farrell.
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(09-23-2014 04:12 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  Wasn't the producer or director of that show saying that he was sorry for not including 'strong female characters' in season 1? I am sure going forward there will be a focus on including more female characters. At one point there was talk of having an all female lead for the show but they went with Vaughn and Farrell.

The writer is a bad-ass, even at the time people knew he didn't mean it. The show was classic crime-noir in that women were just victims and sex symbols, and I doubt he is going to change that up. I've read his book, "Galveston" and it's more of the same as far as the women in it go. He might throw in a woman as the third detective, but he definitely has no interest in pandering to the feminists beyond giving them empty words. The best part is people will still watch it; I never get why people putting out the best movies/shows bother pandering when they are going to get viewers no matter what.

I'm excited to see how Farrell does, I haven't seen too much of his work but he killed it in "In Bruges". I could see Vaughn putting on a good serious role too, although has he done a drama since "Swingers"? Last season peaked early, but it was still the best tv I watched last year, I can't wait to see more.
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(09-23-2014 04:12 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  Wasn't the producer or director of that show saying that he was sorry for not including 'strong female characters' in season 1? I am sure going forward there will be a focus on including more female characters. At one point there was talk of having an all female lead for the show but they went with Vaughn and Farrell.

From the interview with the writer that I posted on page 1 of this thread:

Quote:I saw you tweeted Willa Paskin’s Slate piece that praised the show and its portrayal of misogyny; Emily Nussbaum’s New Yorker review also looked at the show and its women, but was critical. You’ve said that True Detective’s view of women has been a result of focusing on two point-of-view characters who are men. Have you been listening to that thread of criticism? What do you think of it?

NP: Well, the show is plainly showing a vein of misogyny running through not just these men but their culture. To the idea that this is not on purpose, or that the females are one-dimensional, I’d say we’ll agree to disagree. If someone sees Maggie as merely some kind of fuming shrew, then that viewer is revealing their own prejudices, not the show’s. Given that neither of our leads has a healthy relationship with a woman, and given that we only see things in their POVs, that women are not given a full representation is correct for the story being told here.

This is a close, two-person point-of-view show, and the story is bound to those perspectives, with a few loose variations. In the structure of this telling, the other characters exist in relation to Cohle and Hart. However, if someone comes on screen for one exchange in the entire show, I believe they have dimensionality — the fact that their presence in the show exists only in relation to Cohle and Hart does not diminish their spark. Of the women Hart has affairs with, I wouldn’t expect them to be the most mature and stable of people, given his character and the difference in their ages. The gender criticism was expected, but it seems very knee-jerk in the total context of what we did here and what the show is supposed to be. It’s easy to use such a political concern as a blunt, reductive instrument to rob the material and performances of their nuances. But there was no way to tell this story, in this structure, without that being an easy mark for someone looking for something to criticize.

You deleted a tweet in which you responded, obliquely, that Season 2 could be different in respect to women characters. What did you mean, why did you delete the tweet, and most of all, where do we stand on Season 2?

NP: I deleted the tweet because I didn’t want to be beholden to a promise and then change my mind. I’m writing Season 2 right now, but I don’t want to divulge any potentialities, because so much could change. I just never want to create from a place of critical placation — that’s a dead zone. So I don’t want, for instance, a gender-bias-critique to influence what I do.
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Did the writer of “True Detective” plagiarize Thomas Ligotti and others?

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I definitely need to watch the first season before the second one starts. I've heard incredible things about it.

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(12-14-2014 01:22 AM)enderilluminatus Wrote:  I definitely need to watch the first season before the second one starts. I've heard incredible things about it.

The series is an anthology, so the story changes every season and involves a new cast of characters.

You could actually watch Season 1 after beginning to watch Season 2 and not really miss much.

My main worry about the series is what made it great was the scenery: rural Louisiana. This show captured the rundown, creepy vibe of rural Louisiana to such a great extent that it almost became a character in the show.





Season 2 will take place in Northern California, which is definitely not as creepy or exotic of a location. I guess if the story is good, then it won't matter, but damn I was really getting into the Southern vibe of this show.
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Season 2 trailer just released today:





The season premieres June 21.

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Can't wait. Will be interesting to see Vaugn in a very serious role for a change.
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Looks ok. Nothing's going to top the first season, it's a classic.

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Apparently the writer is ditching the occult elements of season 1. This is very disappointing to me, since that was a main reason I liked season 1.

Rachel McAdams not getting nude sucks, also the director is the dude that made Fast and Furious.

Mediocre initial reviews.

Not good signs.
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Vince Vaughn and Colin farrel are too proper to pull off the beaten-down scumbag vibe mcconaughey and woody harrelson did so brilliantly. I bet this season will be average at best.
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I just watched this entire show with Woody and Matthew McConaughey and have to say the majority of the show was AWFUL. I mean the writing, not the acting. The actors did what they could but sweet Jesus, the story was lame. In the end we end up with some lame jab at southern rednecks as the big bad villain banging his cousin in some bayou in Louisiana.
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The show had its moments like when Matt is forcing his ex-biker brother by gunpoint to head out to Woody's car with helicopters overhead but that was it. The other half was some lame attempt at drama when Woody's wife bangs Matt to get back at her cheating hubby. I felt like I was watching Walking Dead again. Fucking LAME.

Cons: Bad writing. Bad story. Bad script.

Pros: Damn fine acting on Matthew's part and Woody but even they can't pull together some half-assed script. I didn't buy for a minute that Matthew was some psychotic telepath with insight into Hannibel Lecter, oops.. sorry, I meant that Swampbilly what's-his-name.

The part in the swamp was also badly written: where the ex-chief of police is with Matthew and he is forced to watch a snuff film on his boat in the middle of nowhere. This is so that Matt can presumably "torture" him to reveal info on the case. He screams in horror when Matt shows him the kiddy porn film. I laughed at this part. No cop with that much experience is going to scream like his fingernails are being pulled out over some lame snuff video (even if it is an underage girl). Give me a f'ing break.

Will never watch anything again with those two.
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I just watched the whole season 1 and thought it was amazing until the last episode. I was expecting there to be some evil organisation with the yellow king as a criminal/insane genius at the top, not some fat, obese hillbilly with a penchant for accents.

Highlight for me was definitely Matthew McConnaughey's character. Loved the scenes where he referred to Woody Harrelson's ex mistress as "crazy pussy" and tells that mother who's killed her babies to commit suicide.

We should have had more of Woody Harrelson's two girlfriends and less of his wife. Every time I saw his wife I was thinking of Mission Impossible where she plays Tom Cruise's wife.

Also how did the old black housekeeper know about Carcosa. When she was working for Tuttle the yellow king was just a child.

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and of course there's the stereotypical badass little cop chick.

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I was thinking of this thread the other day.

Yep, Season 2 looks like a suckfest...shocker. Every ad for it looks bland, in contrast to the ads for Season 1 which had me saying "I AM watching that!"

Season 2 looks like a C-level attempt to coast off the title "True Detective".

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A few things have me worried about this season.

1) The director of the entire first season isn't coming back. They gave Justin Lin a few episodes. He is best know for Fast and the Furious.

2) It takes place in Los Angeles, which has been done to death and has lost its noir elements. Why not shoot out in the Desert or up in Norcal?

3) A female protagonist that carries knives around.

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Yea, the new season doesn't look too promising and you're going to have a hard time convincing me that Vaughn is a serious actor. I'm not too big on Farrell or Macadams either.

What made the first season so great was the amazing chemistry between Matt and Woody, not to mention that they're both from Texas and therefore have legitimate Southern cred.
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I was a huge fan of the first season.

I am going to hold off judgement on the second season, but for everyone who doesn't buy Colin Farrell, watch "In Bruges".

Actually watch In Bruges regardless of weather or not you watch this show.

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I loved that the first season took place in 1995 and in countryside. It's almost believable that such an incident could happen in such a place and time. Racial gangs, religious cults, traditional women, hillbillies, it creates an authentic atmosphere that you can't get enough of, and then it contrasts it to the present for nostalgia. This idea is genius. It captures the audience. If in the second season the events take place in the Iphone age, I will be very disappointed.
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Don't think it'll live up to season 1 but we'll see. I do like Ferrell and Vaughn (Vaughn has done plenty of serious roles before going on his comedy tour in the early 2000's). I don't know who the 3rd guy is and I've never been a McAdams fan.
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(06-20-2015 03:03 AM)zanetti Wrote:  I just watched the whole season 1 and thought it was amazing until the last episode. I was expecting there to be some evil organisation with the yellow king as a criminal/insane genius at the top, not some fat, obese hillbilly with a penchant for accents.

Highlight for me was definitely Matthew McConnaughey's character. Loved the scenes where he referred to Woody Harrelson's ex mistress as "crazy pussy" and tells that mother who's killed her babies to commit suicide.

We should have had more of Woody Harrelson's two girlfriends and less of his wife. Every time I saw his wife I was thinking of Mission Impossible where she plays Tom Cruise's wife.

Also how did the old black housekeeper know about Carcosa. When she was working for Tuttle the yellow king was just a child.

I agree that some of the Yellow King/Carcosa stuff did not pay off as well as one might hope. My explanation/theory is that, well, we know there was more than the one fat hillbilly. Back in the day at least there had been some sort of cult involving a rich family and weird ceremonies. I think the elderly black woman had been exposed and told some things as a child that made such an impression on her she still recalled and believed them in her old age--at least in her demented state. I.e. as a kid she had been told the Yellow King would come and give her eternal life when other kids were being taught about Santa Claus. Which is not as creepy as something actually supernatural but which is creepy enough in its own right, the idea that there are people scattered across the state--the old woman, the two child-molesting drug dealers, the fat killer--who are all playing out the consequences of weird cult shit they experienced many years earlier.
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(06-21-2015 09:35 AM)Ryre Wrote:  
(06-20-2015 03:03 AM)zanetti Wrote:  I just watched the whole season 1 and thought it was amazing until the last episode. I was expecting there to be some evil organisation with the yellow king as a criminal/insane genius at the top, not some fat, obese hillbilly with a penchant for accents.

Highlight for me was definitely Matthew McConnaughey's character. Loved the scenes where he referred to Woody Harrelson's ex mistress as "crazy pussy" and tells that mother who's killed her babies to commit suicide.

We should have had more of Woody Harrelson's two girlfriends and less of his wife. Every time I saw his wife I was thinking of Mission Impossible where she plays Tom Cruise's wife.

Also how did the old black housekeeper know about Carcosa. When she was working for Tuttle the yellow king was just a child.

I agree that some of the Yellow King/Carcosa stuff did not pay off as well as one might hope. My explanation/theory is that, well, we know there was more than the one fat hillbilly. Back in the day at least there had been some sort of cult involving a rich family and weird ceremonies. I think the elderly black woman had been exposed and told some things as a child that made such an impression on her she still recalled and believed them in her old age--at least in her demented state. I.e. as a kid she had been told the Yellow King would come and give her eternal life when other kids were being taught about Santa Claus. Which is not as creepy as something actually supernatural but which is creepy enough in its own right, the idea that there are people scattered across the state--the old woman, the two child-molesting drug dealers, the fat killer--who are all playing out the consequences of weird cult shit they experienced many years earlier.

That explains some things but not everything. If that were true and that actual conspiracy/voodoo cult whatever you want to call it, died out with old man Tuttle, then:

-who/how put pressure on the convict to get him to commit suicide (the guy Cohle got a confession out of)
-the convict said the orgies with human sacrifices and powerful people are still taking place
-the fat guy with scars was spotted at a church rally with Dora Lange, the original victim. She became obsessed with the yellow king/carcosa. How/why? Fat hillbilly didn't have the charisma to pull that off

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I think if there were some evil corporation or kingpin at the end of season 1 it would have been too cliche. I didn't like the last episode much on first watch, but after seeing the entire season again I think it fit. Its obvious there were more high level people involved who didn't get caught, but that is also kind of the point.
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