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I was privileged enough to listen to the Russian Ambassador speak on the Ukraine conflict. He outlined multiple important points and essentially claimed that the Minsk agreement will face challenges because the pro-Kiev western backed government has a financial interest in the agreement never coming to fruition. In essence, the longer the conflict, the more the western backed government benefits due to financial money and aid.
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(03-05-2016 03:41 AM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  You've got it exactly the opposite.

Who did well in 90's America? the people because of Reagan's policies of high interest rates in the 80's.


Low interest rates, good for the few at the top who get money first and bad for the bottom.

High interest rates bad short term, but clear out bad investment and make way for a prosperous future.

May not even matter at this point the western world is so far gone.

We're jumping around here. QE and low interest rates definitely benefit people at the top as how this system is in the western world. Low interest rates also benefit gov'ts high in debt. But that has no relevance in regards to Russia's situation and possibly lowering interest rates to say 7% (which is still really high compared to the western world and its negative interest rates).

The US economy, since Nixon pulled the plug on gold convertibility, is based mostly on debt creation. The average American's standard of living and wages peaked in the early 70's. $18 trillion in gov't debt, trillions more in private/corporate debt, 2-income families, along with paper wealth (that can come and go) create a great illusion of prosperity. But it's a false prosperity that will soon shatter.

As far as high/low interest rates clearing out bad investments... that has to do with credit standards, not interest rates. Can't give a loan to anyone breathing.

Edit: http://russia-insider.com/en/business/hi...tion-about
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I was having a conversation with students last night and we got on the subject of Ukrainian politics and all of the students defaulted to a helpless state wherein they just make fun of the system and the group agrees that votes don't count and no one can do anything to change the shitty system. Then they asked me if I was going to vote in the upcoming election and the inevitable "who are you going to vote for?" question came up.

I asked them if they had been following American politics and most had only heard the bad headlines about Trump. I told them that Trump was the only choice because he's the first candidate in decades who dictates his own policies due to the fact he is a self-made billionaire and has no "campaign contributors" to answer to.

The class had a unanimous distaste for Trump because of his talk about scaling back American military presence overseas. Ukrainians believe that if the US presence in Europe diminishes they will be helpless against a Russian invasion. I told them that if Putin wanted Ukraine he would have already taken it. They started to listen when I told them about how NATO shouldn't even exist because it was founded as an 'Anti-Soviet Coalition' and ever since the Soviet Union collapsed, instead of disbanding or scaling back, NATO has continued expansion towards Russia's borders. All the while the US installs military bases as it creeps further east coupled with western war mongering politicians talking about installing ballistic missile platforms in Ukraine, Poland, and the Baltics.

The conversation wasn't a bad one but it didn't really go anywhere as the general feeling was of unanimous helplessness and a complete dependence on the US for protection. But it got me thinking:

If a Trump presidency means reduced US military presence around the world and indeed in EE, what effect would that have on the current situation in Ukraine? If American and/or UN presence in Ukraine evaporates I think the opposite of what Ukrainians believe will happen (The DPR will push westward and takeover with Russia backing them!) would occur. Without any American influence in Ukraine the civil war would lose its purpose. When Putin sees that Ukraine is no longer a military objective of the west he won't have to focus on the region as the fire in his backyard will have been extinguished. Yes the Ukrainian politicians are still corrupt puppets of western bankers, however the chances for reunification would be strengthened because Ukraine would finally see stability return as American and Russian military presence will diminish.

Trump stated that he could make deals with Putin and Putin said that he liked Trump. It's crazy to think how quickly things can change when two men of greatness come together with only the best interest of their people at heart.

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(03-25-2016 04:35 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  ...
The conversation wasn't a bad one but it didn't really go anywhere as the general feeling was of unanimous helplessness and a complete dependence on the US for protection...

Truth overdose can leave people a little but fuzzy.

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Did Trump read my post?





@6:29 Trump talks about NATO being obsolete.

@7:18 Trump talks about US involvement in Ukraine - The US is the only NATO country involved, No other countries are partaking so why should the US bear the cost?:
"We're talking about Ukraine, get out, do this, do that. Ukraine is very far away from us. How come the countries surrounding the Ukraine aren't protesting?"

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Heating up again in Donetsk as five Ukranian servicemen and two rebels killed yesterday in the north of the city.

Quote:The Ukrainian military says five of its soldiers have died in fighting just north of Donetsk - the second-highest death toll in one day this year.

Pro-Russian separatist rebels killed four in an ambush at Verkhnetoretskoye, near Avdiivka. The fifth died when his vehicle hit a landmine.

Ukrainian military spokesman Oleksandr Motuzyanyk confirmed the death toll. Early on Monday rebel mortars targeted Ukrainian troops in the same area.

Reports say two rebels were killed.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36411447

Heavy shelling by the Ukranian army also reported:

Quote:Ukrainian army shells Donetsk Republic with over 200 mines over night

Quote:A source in the DPR Defense Ministry said that "the Ukrainian side shelled the airport, the villages of Spartak, Zhabichevo and Vesyoloye, the Yasinovataya checkpoint and Dokuchayevsk"

http://tass.ru/en/world/878774
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I understand why the Ukrainians hate the Russians. Starvation and hunger under the Soviets. Those soviets were not so Russian after all. But all the hatred is directed to the Russians. And now those brothers hate each other.
Great powers have spheres of interest.
Russia’s interest is to be not invaded from the west. It has everywhere natural barriers but not to the west. The only defence they have is the distance. Their security imperative is to bring their borders an far to the west as possible.
To invade Russia, you need a good starting point. Starting in Berlin failed. Starting in Warsaw or Kiev has more chance of success.
If the US has a final understanding with Russia or if the US destroys itself in civil war it is quite possible that the old borders emerge again. And this will mean Ukraine will fall under Russian rule again. Like it always was.
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Things seem they are heating up for the summer

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What happened?

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Following yesterday's attempted terrorist attack in Crimea:

Quote:Ukrainian president orders forces on border with Crimea and eastern Ukraine on highest alert

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has instructed all military units near Crimea and the eastern Ukrainian Donbass region to be at the highest level of combat readiness.

Poroshenko announced the order after a military meeting on Thursday. It comes after Russia’s security service said Wednesday it had foiled a terrorist attack in Crimea plotted by Kiev.

Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB) said it had found a group of infiltrators in Crimea, near the Ukrainian border. The infiltrators were preparing to target Crimea infrastructure, the agency said. Explosive devices and ammunition were also discovered at the scene.

Kiev denied claims that it was behind the terrorist plot, and accused Moscow of provocation.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday that Ukraine has turned to "the practice of terrorism" and "is playing a dangerous game," calling Kiev's actions "stupid and criminal."
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So whats the latest with this?

Should I hunker down at the US embassy here in Kiev

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http://bigstory.ap.org/article/e93b8565c...rn-ukraine


In the 4th and 5th paragraph... Poroshenko suggests "Martial Law."


Now nothing about that says good things to me. Be safe out there Brothers!
Also, with the Independence Day in a few days, would seem the time could
be ripe for some BS shenanigans.

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Colorful little story on the side of the war, from legit Ukrainian news site Obozrevatel (~45th most visited site in Ukraine), title is Google-translated, and this is how they report it:

Weekdays "DNR". Donetsk professor "bragged" underage mistress: photofact

Western media reported it as well, with less details. More details on the professor can be found in Russian. Can't tell more here on the story, because of forum rules.
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Anyone know if this is real?




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Looks like there's a skirmish between Ukrainian and Russian navy ships in the Sea of Azov (the body of water north-east of the Black Sea)

Sort summary from Russian channel RT






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There is a reason that many Americans will never give up their guns. "There will be a gun behind every blade of grass". But I suppose Ukrainians are used to being conquered by invading forces after all these centuries of it happening over and over.
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(03-25-2016 04:35 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  I was having a conversation with students last night and we got on the subject of Ukrainian politics and all of the students defaulted to a helpless state wherein they just make fun of the system and the group agrees that votes don't count and no one can do anything to change the shitty system. Then they asked me if I was going to vote in the upcoming election and the inevitable "who are you going to vote for?" question came up.

I asked them if they had been following American politics and most had only heard the bad headlines about Trump. I told them that Trump was the only choice because he's the first candidate in decades who dictates his own policies due to the fact he is a self-made billionaire and has no "campaign contributors" to answer to.

The class had a unanimous distaste for Trump because of his talk about scaling back American military presence overseas. Ukrainians believe that if the US presence in Europe diminishes they will be helpless against a Russian invasion. I told them that if Putin wanted Ukraine he would have already taken it. They started to listen when I told them about how NATO shouldn't even exist because it was founded as an 'Anti-Soviet Coalition' and ever since the Soviet Union collapsed, instead of disbanding or scaling back, NATO has continued expansion towards Russia's borders. All the while the US installs military bases as it creeps further east coupled with western war mongering politicians talking about installing ballistic missile platforms in Ukraine, Poland, and the Baltics.

The conversation wasn't a bad one but it didn't really go anywhere as the general feeling was of unanimous helplessness and a complete dependence on the US for protection. But it got me thinking:

If a Trump presidency means reduced US military presence around the world and indeed in EE, what effect would that have on the current situation in Ukraine? If American and/or UN presence in Ukraine evaporates I think the opposite of what Ukrainians believe will happen (The DPR will push westward and takeover with Russia backing them!) would occur. Without any American influence in Ukraine the civil war would lose its purpose. When Putin sees that Ukraine is no longer a military objective of the west he won't have to focus on the region as the fire in his backyard will have been extinguished. Yes the Ukrainian politicians are still corrupt puppets of western bankers, however the chances for reunification would be strengthened because Ukraine would finally see stability return as American and Russian military presence will diminish.

Trump stated that he could make deals with Putin and Putin said that he liked Trump. It's crazy to think how quickly things can change when two men of greatness come together with only the best interest of their people at heart.

I have had this conversation while working and living in Ukraine millions of times. The key concept in this is Russian hatred - Ukrainians were slaughtered and their culture was confiscated during soviet time. They see Russians responsible for this , if you start to tell them and make them understand that Soviet union was a Jewish creation to weaken and divide slavic/christian people of this area , some start to understand. If you find someone who understands , then start by naming all the people involved in this conflict on the Ukrainian side , remind them that Poroshenko doesn't use his real name , and so on and so on. Sometimes it will work.
Still I am not worried because there has been many attemps to derussify Ukraine and it has always failed.
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(08-16-2016 11:35 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  So whats the latest with this?

Should I hunker down at the US embassy here in Kiev

Don't worry too much. I feel that this big operation of the "defend ukraine against the invader Russia" has failed. While most people are brainwashed and believe in the story , noone but a part of determined ukrainians believe in a real action against Russia. Ukraine is not an interesting place for political journalists and does not have a huge appeal for the average westerner.
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(08-16-2016 11:35 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  So whats the latest with this?

Should I hunker down at the US embassy here in Kiev

Don't worry too much. I feel that this big operation of the "defend ukraine against the invader Russia" has failed. While most people are brainwashed and believe in the story , noone but a part of determined ukrainians believe in a real action against Russia. Ukraine is not an interesting place for political journalists and does not have a huge appeal for the average westerner.
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The more I think about this conflict , the more I start to believe that the real goal was to destroy Poland's heterogeneity.
Poland has managed to get "cheap workers" which were accepted by the public as non-muslims. But I see more and more hate towards them from Poland as they are taking all the lowest-paid jobs. There is 1 or 1.5 million of them according to various sources. This is a brand new type of migration which consolidates polish economy but will be used on long term as a dividing factors ( Remember Lvov was built by poles and all the massacres of Poles made by Bandera). Donald Tusk was particularly active in this , as he is always active in the "defend Holocaust" topic.
We can see a clear agenda here. There is also the card of orthodoxy vs catholicism to be played by the elites in the future.
All those goals were possible by uniting people around the hate of Russians.
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I have a thought that the whole incident with the seizure of Ukrainian ships had the following purposes:

1) Payback for the Russian fishing vessel that Ukraine detained this past summer
2) Give Poroshenko enough rope to hang himself by making it look like he is using the martial law to delay the election
3) Force the issue of recognizing the new borders after the return of Crimea

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(03-05-2014 09:26 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Feel free to post random thoughts, images, or links here that you feel don't deserve their own thread.

This is a pivotal moment for Trump. It sounds like this could be World War III, not just a proxy war. It would be the most badass thing if the USA and Russia became allies in this conflict against Europe.
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(11-26-2018 10:07 PM)Philosopher Wrote:  I have a thought that the whole incident with the seizure of Ukrainian ships had the following purposes:

1) Payback for the Russian fishing vessel that Ukraine detained this past summer
2) Give Poroshenko enough rope to hang himself by making it look like he is using the martial law to delay the election
3) Force the issue of recognizing the new borders after the return of Crimea

Elections are planned for March 2019. Martial law was declared in Ukraine yesterday for some regions of Ukraine (during martial law, there can be no elections).

Poroshenko whose approval ratings are very low, wanted an initial 60 days martial law but then reduced his request to 30 days so that "nobody would believe he was trying to prevent the (organization of) the
presidential elections".

It seems that yesterday he was constantly in contact with Angela Merkel who was not happy about this martial law and finally only a twenty days geographically limited martial law was adopted yesterday in the Ukrainian parliament.

We'll see how he manages to extend this martial law. The first step is always the most important (in pick up or politics...).

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Quote:It seems that yesterday he was constantly in contact with Angela Merkel who was not happy about this martial law and finally only a twenty days geographically limited martial law was adopted yesterday in the Ukrainian parliament.

We'll see how he manages to extend this martial law. The first step is always the most important (in pick up or politics...).

Martial law in France lasted more than a year after the Paris attacks but did not help Ollande.

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