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(06-28-2019 01:12 PM)Knight of Malta Wrote:  
Quote:Beyond that, there is a complete failure to understand how Russian propaganda is executed and how their special forces operate on the ground in places like Ukraine, Georgia etc. The Russian propaganda efforts in Crimea and the Donbass began, if they ever really ceased, almost as soon as communism collapsed. They intensified after Yeltsin was deposed as Putin came to power. Putin was obviously a KGB guy, and during the Glasnost and Perestroika times Gorbachev was essentially operating in the face of extreme resistance from the KGB, who wanted to take a much tougher line on the dissolution of the Soviet Union, which they wanted to retain in tact by force.

There was, once Maidan began, a concerted campaign by Russian special forces and intelligence services across large swathes of the Ukrainian East. In Dnipro, Kharkiv, and Odessa, Russian special forces were actively engaged in causing widespread disruption and civil unrest. The 'little green men' were out on the streets beating people up, raping, and killing to create fear and distrust amongst the general populace. This was a deliberate psychological operation designed to create a sense of lawlessness. When this sense of lawlessness pervades, the population is ready to turn to any authority that can return order. The clear end goal of this operation was to ensure a grateful populace when Russian troops (or rebel troops, with a Russian command structure, as currently exists in the Donbass) moved in and took those cities.

Some of your post was reasonable, but this part is a bunch of nonsense that sounds like something straight out of Euromaidan Press. If Russia intended to annex eastern Ukraine, it would have been in a few days and there is literally no reason to go about it in a such a covert roundabout way. It would have been much better to move in the military openly and take over. Putin did not intend to annex Donetsk, Lugansk, etc. and that is a big strategic blunder on his part.

I think the "separatists" are not necessarily as pro-Russian as we believe. They are mostly anti-Ukrainians who hate Russians. I was always surprised to see that many people from Lugansk and Donetsk region I could meet in Kiev , back at the time i was living there , were speaking quite good ukrainian in comparison to many "Ukrainians from Ukraine"
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(06-28-2019 11:19 PM)Rocha Wrote:  
(06-28-2019 10:31 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  
(06-28-2019 12:54 PM)Rocha Wrote:  Bunch of unfounded nonsense in this post.

It's the same dude that claims to be:

- an Abercrombie model
- bartender
- martial arts expert
- poosy slayer

And now we can add Geopolitical Expert on Eurasian Affairs to his resume Laugh

And I am also still wondering who is "Yakushenko", the guy who created the language division between the people of Ukraine... Is it the son of Yanukovich and Belarus President Lukaschenko, or is a fusion between Yanukovich and his antecessor Yuschenko?

|I remember one of my daughters , once I was watching football on TV a few years back ( she must have been 5 yo ) telling me how good is Yarmoshenko after he scored a goal.
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(06-29-2019 06:04 AM)Lika Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 08:37 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  I have 3 kids and dont want Pride Month

(06-25-2019 07:35 PM)reciproke Wrote:  a free and independent European(!) nation trying to embrace their native culture. It's really a no brainer

A few days ago, there was the gay pride in Kyiv: almost 8000 participants compared to 3000 maximum last year.

And this year they rolled out the drag queens with heavy police protection. They did not dress like full sex degenerates yet but they're getting there. Everything goes according to plan, little by little...

In some Ukrainian cities there were 30 participants to the gay pride march and 600 policemen to escort them. They are trying very hard to embrance their native culture I guess.

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Based on the ukrainians i ve met inside and outside Ukraine there is no way this pro gay propaganda will work on long term. I think most of the people are a bit stunned in the shock of understand that EU and "Europe" is a total globohomo crap.But we never know with these globalists.
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Most people in Eastern Europe have an inaccurate and rosy view of the West still. The other day I was watching Alexei Shevtsov's channel on youtube, he has a large following of young people in former USSR, people my age, and although he is from Ukraine he usually makes his videos in Russia. Anyway, he was making videos about his visits to Western European countries where he went into migrant ghettos and showed how trashed the places were. He also talked about low birth rates among Europeans compared to the migrants. A lot this is basic stuff about the migrant crisis that Western nationalists have talked about for years, but to much of his audience that never been to the West it was new.

Even though much of his audience has a more liberal pro-Western bent in general because they are naive, people in the comments were saying they were astounded how the Europeans are apparently willing to throw away everything great that they have have so easily, and how for a Ukrainian or Russian to move to Western Europe it is a very difficult and costly process, while any African or Arab who steps in Europe is automatically given a EU passport. Many of them find the situation baffling and absurd, even the liberals.
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(06-29-2019 01:50 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 06:04 AM)Lika Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 08:37 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  I have 3 kids and dont want Pride Month

(06-25-2019 07:35 PM)reciproke Wrote:  a free and independent European(!) nation trying to embrace their native culture. It's really a no brainer

A few days ago, there was the gay pride in Kyiv: almost 8000 participants compared to 3000 maximum last year.

And this year they rolled out the drag queens with heavy police protection. They did not dress like full sex degenerates yet but they're getting there. Everything goes according to plan, little by little...

In some Ukrainian cities there were 30 participants to the gay pride march and 600 policemen to escort them. They are trying very hard to embrance their native culture I guess.

Based on the ukrainians i ve met inside and outside Ukraine there is no way this pro gay propaganda will work on long term. I think most of the people are a bit stunned in the shock of understand that EU and "Europe" is a total globohomo crap.But we never know with these globalists.

Girls will buy into it completely within 5-10 years. Katy Perry "I kissed a girl and I like it", Lady Caca's "Born This Way" and local social engineering products like tATu. They'll be brainwashed like all the other girls in the rest of Europe.

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(06-29-2019 02:07 PM)Knight of Malta Wrote:  Even though much of his audience has a more liberal pro-Western bent in general because they are naive, people in the comments were saying they were astounded how the Europeans are apparently willing to throw away everything great that they have have so easily, and how for a Ukrainian or Russian to move to Western Europe it is a very difficult and costly process, while any African or Arab who steps in Europe is automatically given a EU passport. Many of them find the situation baffling and absurd, even the liberals.

What's even more outrageous is that it's not just a Ukrainian/Russian vs. Arab/African divide in how the government treats you; in reality, most non-thug/Muslim Africans are also massively discriminated against. No one who is not a parasite is allowed to come, regardless of their background.

For example, my wife is a highly educated Christian African woman and we were literally bankrupted trying to bring her into EU. Meanwhile, another girl that we know from the same country, city and neighborhood declared herself a refugee and now prances around EU enjoying expedited documents, free healthcare, free housing and a generous allowance.

We could go to all sorts of alternative media with that story, but the government would probably revoke her residence permit so we don't want to risk it.

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Doesn't marriage give you access to the nationality after several years of residence ?
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(07-03-2019 07:55 AM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  Doesn't marriage give you access to the nationality after several years of residence ?

in the case of France you have to reside there and also pass some language test
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Sure, so marriage gets you a temporary residency permit, you move here, learn the language, then apply for the nationality.
Doesn't sound that hard, and I thought that was the standard procedure for all members of the UE.
But maybe I was wrong.
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(07-01-2019 11:11 PM)911 Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 01:50 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 06:04 AM)Lika Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 08:37 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  I have 3 kids and dont want Pride Month

(06-25-2019 07:35 PM)reciproke Wrote:  a free and independent European(!) nation trying to embrace their native culture. It's really a no brainer

A few days ago, there was the gay pride in Kyiv: almost 8000 participants compared to 3000 maximum last year.

And this year they rolled out the drag queens with heavy police protection. They did not dress like full sex degenerates yet but they're getting there. Everything goes according to plan, little by little...

In some Ukrainian cities there were 30 participants to the gay pride march and 600 policemen to escort them. They are trying very hard to embrance their native culture I guess.

Based on the ukrainians i ve met inside and outside Ukraine there is no way this pro gay propaganda will work on long term. I think most of the people are a bit stunned in the shock of understand that EU and "Europe" is a total globohomo crap.But we never know with these globalists.

Girls will buy into it completely within 5-10 years. Katy Perry "I kissed a girl and I like it", Lady Caca's "Born This Way" and local social engineering products like tATu. They'll be brainwashed like all the other girls in the rest of Europe.

Actually you re right . My wife just told me that one of her friend ( which I know ) was posting messages supporting this heretic pride
She is like 30+ ; not married ; hates her father and likes foreigners .

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(07-03-2019 11:50 AM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  Sure, so marriage gets you a temporary residency permit, you move here, learn the language, then apply for the nationality.
Doesn't sound that hard, and I thought that was the standard procedure for all members of the UE.
But maybe I was wrong.

Believe me it s hard. We were asked billions of documents . But we are living in a third country . Any non EU member will have much harder treatment
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WOW! I didn't realize this thread was still going on. I see Handsome EEL and Lika here. Were is DaveR and the rest?
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(07-05-2019 09:46 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  
(07-01-2019 11:11 PM)911 Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 01:50 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 06:04 AM)Lika Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 08:37 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  I have 3 kids and dont want Pride Month

(06-25-2019 07:35 PM)reciproke Wrote:  a free and independent European(!) nation trying to embrace their native culture. It's really a no brainer

A few days ago, there was the gay pride in Kyiv: almost 8000 participants compared to 3000 maximum last year.

And this year they rolled out the drag queens with heavy police protection. They did not dress like full sex degenerates yet but they're getting there. Everything goes according to plan, little by little...

In some Ukrainian cities there were 30 participants to the gay pride march and 600 policemen to escort them. They are trying very hard to embrance their native culture I guess.

Based on the ukrainians i ve met inside and outside Ukraine there is no way this pro gay propaganda will work on long term. I think most of the people are a bit stunned in the shock of understand that EU and "Europe" is a total globohomo crap.But we never know with these globalists.

Girls will buy into it completely within 5-10 years. Katy Perry "I kissed a girl and I like it", Lady Caca's "Born This Way" and local social engineering products like tATu. They'll be brainwashed like all the other girls in the rest of Europe.

Actually you re right . My wife just told me that one of her friend ( which I know ) was posting messages supporting this heretic pride
She is like 30+ ; not married ; hates her father and likes foreigners .

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Seems correct to me too. I taught English in Ukraine over a decade ago. One of my former students who used to be your standard sweet and feminine dyevushka when she was a teen is now in her early thirties, fat with short blue hair and she often posts pics of herself at gay pride events on social media. I see pro-gay comments from other girls who were in my classes back then too. At least we're still a long way off from seeing Ukrainian guys openly support the poz. Hopefully they can reign their women in somehow.

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(07-05-2019 09:46 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  She is like 30+ ; not married ; hates her father and likes foreigners .

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Are you Russian?

Do you mean that a Russian woman who likes non Russians is damaged?

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(07-08-2019 02:09 PM)Lika Wrote:  
(07-05-2019 09:46 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  She is like 30+ ; not married ; hates her father and likes foreigners .

The big slam

Are you Russian?

Do you mean that a Russian woman who likes non Russians is damaged?

I'm not speaking for him, but I will say many traditional societies in Asia and the Middle East are very protective of their women, and in places like Arab countries, China, or Japan there is a stereotype that women that sleep with foreigners have some kind of mental damage and are socially ostracised. That's changing in recent times as globalism and liberalism spreads, but that is how it was. It may seem strange to Westerners since their society is of course completely liberal.

I will also say that if we are to have any pride as Russians or Ukrainians, we have to put an end to the totally degenerate sex tourism industry and the negative stereotypes around Eastern European women. Foreign men that come to Eastern Europe only to get laid need to be deported or prevented from entering. A more nationalistic government in the future must take steps towards this, Saudi Arabia's Ministry for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice can be something of an example for a government agency to enforce these social rules.
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Lol those EE fag pride walkers look like silent hill demons. Those policemen do not look happy guarding such foetor. The sword of reclamation has been sharpening itself in the its shed on the grinding wheel for some time now, it is up to what noble sons of Europe remain to find it. When they grip its hilt then their fingers will remember their strength, and will not hesitate to excise this swath of virulent weeds poisoning their garden.
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(07-09-2019 06:44 PM)Knight of Malta Wrote:  
(07-08-2019 02:09 PM)Lika Wrote:  
(07-05-2019 09:46 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  She is like 30+ ; not married ; hates her father and likes foreigners .

The big slam

Are you Russian?

Do you mean that a Russian woman who likes non Russians is damaged?

I'm not speaking for him, but I will say many traditional societies in Asia and the Middle East are very protective of their women, and in places like Arab countries, China, or Japan there is a stereotype that women that sleep with foreigners have some kind of mental damage and are socially ostracised. That's changing in recent times as globalism and liberalism spreads, but that is how it was. It may seem strange to Westerners since their society is of course completely liberal.

I will also say that if we are to have any pride as Russians or Ukrainians, we have to put an end to the totally degenerate sex tourism industry and the negative stereotypes around Eastern European women. Foreign men that come to Eastern Europe only to get laid need to be deported or prevented from entering. A more nationalistic government in the future must take steps towards this, Saudi Arabia's Ministry for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice can be something of an example for a government agency to enforce these social rules.

I'm American and I have to say I wouldn't be opposed to something like what you're talking about being implemented in Eastern Europe and Latin America. I've worked in both areas and seen my countrymen tear through the local women. "Do I have a (insert name of country here) girlfriend? I've got five!" is a typical answer. Ultimately it's not good for anyone.

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(07-08-2019 02:09 PM)Lika Wrote:  Do you mean that a Russian woman who likes non Russians is damaged?

A russian woman liking turks or middle-eastern guys is damaged, for sure.
Just like a french woman liking men from africa is damaged.
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(07-10-2019 02:07 PM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  
(07-08-2019 02:09 PM)Lika Wrote:  Do you mean that a Russian woman who likes non Russians is damaged?

A russian woman liking turks or middle-eastern guys is damaged, for sure.
Just like a french woman liking men from africa is damaged.

What about French women liking black men from France

Or Russian women liking white men from England?

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(07-10-2019 03:27 PM)Lika Wrote:  What about French women liking black men from France
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(07-10-2019 03:27 PM)Lika Wrote:  Or Russian women liking white men from England?
Nice try.

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(07-10-2019 03:27 PM)Lika Wrote:  
(07-10-2019 02:07 PM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  
(07-08-2019 02:09 PM)Lika Wrote:  Do you mean that a Russian woman who likes non Russians is damaged?

A russian woman liking turks or middle-eastern guys is damaged, for sure.
Just like a french woman liking men from africa is damaged.

What about French women liking black men from France

Or Russian women liking white men from England?

I wasn't making a moral judgement.
Miscegenation is damaging to your bloodline.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outbreeding_depression

Now what exactly is a russian woman can be discussed of course.
My mother is russian, she has ancestors from prussia to the ural, and from the caucasus to beyond the polar circle, so pretty varied already.
In any case genetic distance matters.

Also as a mixed-breed I feel at home in no place and no culture, so an argument could be made that it's damaging psychologically too.
But I guess rootless individuals is exactly what the system is shooting for, so sure go for it.
Africa, England, whatever .. those two look more similar by the day anyway.
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(07-11-2019 02:21 PM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  
(07-10-2019 03:27 PM)Lika Wrote:  
(07-10-2019 02:07 PM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  
(07-08-2019 02:09 PM)Lika Wrote:  Do you mean that a Russian woman who likes non Russians is damaged?

A russian woman liking turks or middle-eastern guys is damaged, for sure.
Just like a french woman liking men from africa is damaged.

What about French women liking black men from France

Or Russian women liking white men from England?

I wasn't making a moral judgement.
Miscegenation is damaging to your bloodline.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outbreeding_depression

Not very conclusive, you are referring to an article about outbreeding depression which itself refers to inbreeding depression:

"Inbreeding depression is the reduced biological fitness in a given population as a result of inbreeding, or breeding of related individuals. Population biological fitness refers to an organism's ability to survive and perpetuate its genetic material."

I doubt that a white Russian woman breeding with a white English male would endanger the biological fitness of their descendants compared to two white Russians breeding together.

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Why would a russian woman liking middle eastern men be damaged? Please explain. I’d love to heat it

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Let's see.....because eastern female Slavs were sold and traded in the middle east for hundreds of years until 20th century. Girls as young as 11

Not to cook for them....

But few remember this so perhaps it's moot.

Now only if American blacks would forget too
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