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Ayahuasca is to the millennials what LSD was to the Boomers, a drug and a cultural movement designed to dumb them down, keep them docile and destroy their lives, taking them away from building up their families and careers, and substituting a manufactured pagan jungle cult for their true religion.

It's sad to see so many guys ensnared into this latest iteration of heavy drug culture, which has been around for 60 years. Before you engage in bogus destructive "personal enlightenment", you should learn about the planned destruction of the Boomer generation through LSD and other hard drugs, this is just history repeating itself.

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^Don't take it personnaly friend, I just want ot get this out of my chest.


This kind of post clearly shows my vision of the left / right basic ideology.
Both are stuck with preconceived ideas, without Any Direct Knowledge of what they are talking about.
They are just repeating what the propaganda (TV, parents, friends, books) told them.

Thinking that Ayahuasca dumbs you down, while it has the potential to open your mind to infinite possibilities, shows me the mental limit of the general population.
I could say "try it for yourself", but most people wouldn't have the ability to gain anything from this experience, as they'd just reject the knowledge offered to them.


In a way, you're totally right : most people couldn't, for the life of them, gain anything from Ayahuasca.
Their mind are not ready for such an eye opening experience.
They would just reject it, and in some scenarios, even end up worse than they got there.

By this logic, I'm wrong : Ayahuasca can't heal most people, Ayahuasca can't make most people grow.
As it's impossible to learn, when you refuse to...which is the case of most people.




I wouldn't have said "stupid people", but rather "close minded people".
I'll refrain from posting in this thread in the future, it's pointless, I'll only create non productive animosity.
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RE: Ayahuasca and the body
(11-26-2019 08:53 AM)911 Wrote:  ...
. Before you engage in bogus destructive "personal enlightenment", you should learn about the planned destruction of the Boomer generation through LSD and other hard drugs, this is just history repeating itself.

Do you have a source for this? From the reading I've done around MK Ultra, and related experiments, the release of LSD to the general populace seems to have been accidental, rather than deliberate.
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That's all fine and dandy, but it makes me wonder - if this substance is so amazing, its effects so enlightening and unique, why the people who knew about it and mastered its use are so... insignificant? Europe has no shortage of people of great magnitude, be it in physical, mental or cultural aspect, and they have achieved it by their own merit, without drinking magic potions and participating in ceremonies held by shamans believing in ghosts and negative energy. On the other hand, the shamans themselves aren't known for being great scientists, inventors, builders or warriors - their ancestors got humiliated by a handful of daring Europeans, and now all they have left is to peddle their rituals to foreigners.

Not claiming, of course, that the whole thing is stupid, and I'm very far from the cult of scientism - but some people just take it too far. I'm interested in the subject, and given the opportunity (and given it's an affordable one) I would try it, preferably in the comfort of my own company without the New Age-esque atmosphere of neo-shamanism of a culture I have absolutely nothing in common. Do I believe, though, that it's some kind of magic potion, eye-opening sorcery and groundbreaking enlightenment? Not at all. Greater men than all of us here have more than made it without them. If I'm wrong here, I stand only to gain.

The argument of "close-mindedness" is an argument often invoked if there's nothing factual that can be brought up to criticize. 911 said nothing that's de facto incorrect (at least as far as I know, drug culture was never anything to be proud of), and his strong opinions are probably coming from experience. Imbibing chemicals, whatever they might be, always have side effects; even if they can't be measured as directly negative or detrimental to health, they might prove to cause harm in the long run. Especially when you're never sure what you're really taking.

"Animosity" is never unproductive; if people didn't challenge each other's ideas we would never get anywhere. Can't understand why you cannot stand the thought of someone criticizing your points.
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(11-26-2019 03:38 PM)dAversa Wrote:  Greater men than all of us here have more than made it without them. If I'm wrong here, I stand only to gain.


Mind altering substances seem to have been an important part of Western Civilization. Some scholars believe that psychedelic agents were used in the Eleusinian Mysteries. That would mean that Augustus Caesar as well as many other important emperors, generals, and statesmen took these mind altering drugs. The Oracle of Delphi was sniffing some unknown gas. Then there is the Bacchus cult. The ancients believed that when you drunk wine you were actually possessed by a god. There is holy communion. Saint Augustine is the patron saint of brewers.

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I met a chick who was in to Ayahuasca and nude yoga based on Ayahuasca. Was great would repeat in a former life, but of course I am more in to serious relationships now and don't think nude pretzels on Ayahuasca are the ingredients for a successful long-term relationship
11-28-2019 01:11 PM
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(11-26-2019 03:05 PM)Marmite Wrote:  
(11-26-2019 08:53 AM)911 Wrote:  ...
. Before you engage in bogus destructive "personal enlightenment", you should learn about the planned destruction of the Boomer generation through LSD and other hard drugs, this is just history repeating itself.

Do you have a source for this? From the reading I've done around MK Ultra, and related experiments, the release of LSD to the general populace seems to have been accidental, rather than deliberate.

Thanks for asking Marmite. It sounds like the reading you've done was from mainstream sources. I've done well over 100 hours research on this subject, here are some good starting points:

-Research by Jan Irvin and Joe Atwill. I think both of them started out as Boomer/older Xers people into hallucinogenic drugs and have seen the light through their research and interactions with some of the key players in the "psychedelic drugs" community, deep state spooks like Tim O'Leary or the McKenna brothers who were posing as modern revolutionaries fighting "the man". These drugs were originally referred to as psychotomimetic, meaning drugs that generate/mimic psychosis, came to be marketed to the masses as "psychedelic", the hippie-era branding of dangerous drugs as "mind-expanding", cool and spiritual rather than psychotic.

Very good list of essays on the subject:

https://logosmedia.com/Entheogens_Whatsi...ontrol_CIA

This essay in on the Grateful Dead, which single-handedly spurred and maintained LSD culture in the US, distributing millions of doses without significant criminal repercussions:

https://logosmedia.com/2013/05/manufactu...jan-irvin/

The whole series of articles in those links is very good. Caveat about Jan Irvin: he is an unstable dude that has made a sharp ideological u-turn earlier this year, selling out completely to zionists. But much of his older research is excellent.

Dave McGowan
has uncovered the ties between the trend-setting musical acts of the 1960s with the deep state, published his research in his book "Weird Scenes inside the Canyon", about the Laurel Canyon, which was the epicenter of 1960s American psychedelic culture.









Jay Dyer on the counterculture's deep state/controlled opposition roots

Good series of videos on the subject:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL...SMl69ea1D6

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11-28-2019 02:23 PM
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(11-26-2019 01:34 PM)Latan Wrote:  ^Don't take it personnaly friend, I just want ot get this out of my chest.


This kind of post clearly shows my vision of the left / right basic ideology.
Both are stuck with preconceived ideas, without Any Direct Knowledge of what they are talking about.
They are just repeating what the propaganda (TV, parents, friends, books) told them.

Thinking that Ayahuasca dumbs you down, while it has the potential to open your mind to infinite possibilities, shows me the mental limit of the general population.
I could say "try it for yourself", but most people wouldn't have the ability to gain anything from this experience, as they'd just reject the knowledge offered to them.

In a way, you're totally right : most people couldn't, for the life of them, gain anything from Ayahuasca.
Their mind are not ready for such an eye opening experience.
They would just reject it, and in some scenarios, even end up worse than they got there.

By this logic, I'm wrong : Ayahuasca can't heal most people, Ayahuasca can't make most people grow. As it's impossible to learn, when you refuse to...which is the case of most people.




I wouldn't have said "stupid people", but rather "close minded people".
I'll refrain from posting in this thread in the future, it's pointless, I'll only create non productive animosity.


No animosity here, this is a very useful debate, which I will have no trouble keeping on a rational plane, with the goal of alerting duped younger men that there is a very dark social engineering agenda that is at the root of this latest incarnation of "psychedelic" drug culture. This is very similar to the previous waves of drug cultures, starting with the LSD/shroom devastation that created the dumbing down and social control of the Boomer generation, perhaps the most successful social engineering project of all time.

Arguing with you here is exactly the same level of debate I've had with feminists fighting The Man who are deeply convinced that their dogma is a liberating one, as opposed to a mind control social engineering project, or with Global Warming idiots who believe they are saving the world instead of being useful idiots for the oligarchs who are enslaving them with taxes and a new control grid on all economic activities.

It's very hard for people who are ensnared into this seemingly liberating mind control grid to rise above their indoctrination, I don't expect you to absorb my arguments without a lot of resistance.

Your idols like McKenna have deep state ties. The pattern of their preaching is to use thirld world pseud-religions and pseudo-cultures as a cure against the "modern ills" of western traditional society, when in fact western traditional society is the right path that they seek to destroy. This is similar to Margaret Mead's weaponization of fake "blue lagoon" polynesian open sexual mores (a fabrication) in order to advance the sexual revolution through academia. Mead was extremely successful at this, her work and that of her Jewish mentor Franz Boaz becoming the base for modern anthropology.

The pattern of brainwashing here is the same: ditch you Christian religion, your true tribal European links and your pursuit of a strong family life, for yogaish hippie eastern religions and jungle cults in order to reach nirvana, basic navel-gazing and hallucinatory stages that effectively dumb you down and keep you as an atomized, harmless rootless consumer mental serf. The "shamen" (a made-up word) is the new spiritual guide replacing your grandparents' congregation, and your tribe is the guys in the cubicle and other burners into "spiritual retreats".

This is actually the same pattern advocated by Jordan Peterson, who is incidentally now occupying the Timothy Leary Chair at Harvard, perhaps THE major drug "counterculture" pusher in American history. Take your pills, wash your penis and read Carl Jung but have no family, no national identity and no real traditional Christianity (get into fuzzy gnostic shit instead, and do indulge in big pharma drugs and "mind-expanding" DMT-ayahuasca crap).

This new drug culture pushes the same values and shares the same patterns with feminism and the emerging cult of Gaia: don't start families, don't have children, reject your national/tribal roots, worship planet earth, hate western culture, men, traditional culture, humanity, don't believe in borders, and so forth.

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I read an interesting history of psychodelics, and they were being researched in the 1950s, long before Timothy Leary. Alfred Hubbard, in the 50s, gave LSD to scientists, politicians, and church leaders. He was a conservative, so the right wing may have discovered LSD long before the left did.

Alfred Hubbard

https://www.nuenergy.org/captain-trips-a...m-hubbard/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Matthew_Hubbard

The CIA experiments were a failure, since LSD isn't a good truth serum, or useful for controlling politicians.

Timothy Leary destroyed a generation of legitimate research by promoting LSD as a recreational drug.

The indigenous natives have developed a legitimate therapeutic use of Ayahuasca, but now the explosion of interest from the West is going to destroy the native communities. It will encourage fake Shamen out for money, deplete the supplies for indigenous people, and be turned into another recreational commodity. It's something like when the Europeans went out West and slaughtered all the Buffalos. Modern culture is still too immature to use this technology responsibly, and will destroy everything it touches. It's better if some information never gets out.

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(11-28-2019 04:29 PM)Sherman Wrote:  I read an interesting history of psychodelics, and they were being researched in the 1950s, long before Timothy Leary. Alfred Hubbard, in the 50s, gave LSD to scientists, politicians, and church leaders. He was a conservative, so the right wing may have discovered LSD long before the left did.

Alfred Hubbard

https://www.nuenergy.org/captain-trips-a...m-hubbard/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Matthew_Hubbard

The CIA experiments were a failure, since LSD isn't a good truth serum, or useful for controlling politicians.

Timothy Leary destroyed a generation of legitimate research by promoting LSD as a recreational drug.


You're not going to find much reading normie sources like that. Try these;

https://logosmedia.com/SpiesinAcademicClothing_MKULTRA

https://www.winterwatch.net/2018/03/in-p...9-meeting/

This Hubbard guy was OSS/CIA, and the idea that they've ditched LSD is false, they've actively spread it and directed the counterculture movement, much like they spread cocaine in the 80s and LA-based crack epidemic in the 90s (which was also invented by the deep state, at UCLA).


Quote:The indigenous natives have developed a legitimate therapeutic use of Ayahuasca, but now the explosion of interest from the West is going to destroy the native communities. It will encourage fake Shamen out for money, deplete the supplies for indigenous people, and be turned into another recreational commodity. It's something like when the Europeans went out West and slaughtered all the Buffalos. Modern culture is still too immature to use this technology responsibly, and will destroy everything it touches. It's better if some information never gets out.

In most primitive tribes, the sorcerers are the enforcers of religious dogmas, keeping their people in line with powerful drugs. The modern western tale of the noble savage using theese drugs for great spiritual pursuits is largely a myth, those are powerful poisons meant to control their tribes. much like LSD has been used to control Boomers.

I've talked about Margaret Mead's blue lagoon native sexual shangri-la as a great parallel to illustrate how popular culture depicts the use of hallucinogens in primitive tribes in a cool, positive light that resonates with leftie westerners who view their "spirituality" and anything "native" as superior to the faith of their grandparents, putting jungle cults above the great European ones.

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Tribal communities are very close where everyone knows everyone else. Bad actors who abuse the system are efficiently identified and quickly eliminated, whether they are a chief or a shaman. In some societies, it is only the shaman who takes the drug. It shouldn't be surprising they have developed some smart ways of living in a jungle without doctors or medicine. I wouldn't last a week in a jungle on my own. This is learned knowledge over generations of experimentation or culture.

I actually trust their leaders more than ours. In large countries like the US, most people have no personal contact, and what we see is essentially 100% fiction created by marketing agencies. We vote for fictions. Tribes know every intimate detail of their leaders.

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