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RE: Jews, Terrorism and Israel
Well, they're coming out of the closet, eh?

Jews and state of Israel are not the same thing. Especially when some of the most harsh and percipient critics of Israel are Jews.

Israel took a wrong turn when they loaded up with people from the Soviet Union. Those people imported the Soviet police-state mentality. Now you have extremists in the Israeli government. It has as much to do with your average American or British Jew as the IRA does with Joe O'Malley in Milwaukee.

The Palestinian Arabs have not helped themselves much, either. Stupid and brutal acts of terrorism like 1972 Munich and multiple other attacks, like rolling an old guy in a wheelchair off a cruise liner. Their leadership from Arafat on has also been massively corrupt.

It's been said before; the "red pill" does not mean signing up for the Nazis.
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(04-03-2014 07:25 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  
(04-03-2014 07:10 PM)Hispanic_Reasoning Wrote:  I know about it. I learned about it when i was in high school. I use to go to a high school that had an advanced students program and I was given material about the Arab-Israeli conflict.

I don't doubt it.

But you and I, and others on this forum are not exactly the average joe, are we?

Many may learn about that in class. But look around you. It appears that most people forget what they "learn" in highschool. It sounds like we're several years apart in schooling - in my highschool, I heard of no such thing.

I learn most things about history through my own curiosity.

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nope, we aren't average Joes. I especially am not considering my intellect and social able level I have. the program I was in back in high school was for students who could withstand taking college level work but being in high school. most high school students aren't ready for that. the people who were in my classes would be shocked to know that I dropped out of college to head into the trades. Laugh that's how hard that program was.
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Yeah its not common knowledge because people would probably be labeled an anti-semite for bringing it up in this over sensitive world we live in.

Plus, people don't really have a problem with jews considering the alternative in that part of the world.

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(04-03-2014 09:24 PM)Sawyer Wrote:  Only cardguy could get away with starting this thread.

The Jews were kicked out of nearly every country in Western Civilization (some more than once), and for good reason. So what do Protestant England and America do to solve the problem? GIVE THEM A COUNTRY. What the hell did they think would happen?

Look, Jews are some of my best friends. You don't get to run the world by being an asshole. But Israel is going to cause this world to blow sky high. Sky high. Or suffer enslavement at the cost of peace.

I've said it before here and I'll say it again. Fuck Israel to hell and gone. Fuck AIPAC. Fuck organized Jewry.

As for individual Jews. Well shit, it's hard to find more intellectually enlightened individuals. Which is why they're fun to hang out with. But Christ was right. That shit has got to go. Has absolutely, unquestionably got to go.

You are wrong.

You do get to run the world by being asshole.

What are the good reasons, you race Troll
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Judaism is a religion, not a race, you atheist troll.
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(04-04-2014 01:20 AM)Sawyer Wrote:  Judaism is a religion, not a race, you atheist troll.

Wrong again.

Judaism is an ethnicity as well, and Jews were considered a race at the times when they were expelled/slaughtered that you speak of.

During the pogroms, Jews were sent off to be cannon fodder during the Russian/Japanese war. Is this one of the "good reasons" you had in mind?

Maybe you agree more with Hitler.

How am I an atheist troll? I can't say anything to disagree with religion or I am a troll?
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Hey I have a fun-fact about jews since the thread is already going in this direction!

Now before I start I will just clarify that I am not anti-jew or anything. If anything I am pro-jew because really, I am anti-Islam.

So anyway.
When you think about it, how is it really possible for Hitler to turn so many million people against jews in just the few short years he was in power?

Now, I have heard this from 3 people that I believe. Even though 2 of them are pretty anti-jew themselves.

First, my girlfriend told me stories from her hometown (in north-eastern Poland), that all the older people in her town tell about the jews.
That is that in the 1900's up until WW2. Jewish communities would move into their small towns, not integrate and basically bankrupt everyone else by destroying their business' through competition. Then the jews would eventually control everything.
Fair enough, shit happens, its not enough to start geonociding cunts, but its going to make them hate you.

I was also told stories about this town in WW2 where, when the Germans came marching through looking for jews, the locals would hide them out in the forest and in all sorts of places, resist torture to keep them safe.
But then when the front changed and the Russians came marching down the road. The locals went into hiding and the jews just gave them up straight away.
There are lots of stories like this. I assumed most of it is propaganda. But again, if any of it is true, jews aren't going to be very well liked.


Other stories I heard from an old German man saying his family had some farms, jews started farms on either side of his, sold their produce for half the price his family did. Bankrupted them.

Have also heard the same thing from an old Austrian couple, but it was a butcher in Vienna and eventually all the meat was controlled by the jewish community.


Soooo to my point.
It's not like Hitler came into power and convinced millions to hate jews, that's impossible.
Everyone already hated jews and wanted them gone.


Now I don't really know anything about the history of the persecution of jews.... But this was just a few countries in Europe.
So can imagine similar things were happening in a lot of other places, for a lot longer.

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Sounds like you arguing against free market.

I agree that entirely free market is not a good thing.

It was a dog eat dog world back then. I'm sure there were many stories about non-Jews fucking each other over as well, but since this now a Jew bashing thread, I guess they don't belong here.
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Indeed. Subtle inhumanity becomes more common the further you travel back in time
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Spalex those stories are interesting because a German I used to work with gave the same explanation for why the Jews were so disliked. He recounted his grandmother telling him about the Jews buying all of the food during the hyperinflation plagued Weimar Republic days; they would then sell it at outrageous prices. Supposedly his grandmother took the family jewels to trade and only got two loaves of bread in return.
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(04-04-2014 02:21 AM)spalex Wrote:  First, my girlfriend told me stories from her hometown (in north-eastern Poland), that all the older people in her town tell about the jews.
That is that in the 1900's up until WW2. Jewish communities would move into their small towns, not integrate and basically bankrupt everyone else by destroying their business' through competition. Then the jews would eventually control everything.

I was also told stories about this town in WW2 where, when the Germans came marching through looking for jews, the locals would hide them out in the forest and in all sorts of places, resist torture to keep them safe.
But then when the front changed and the Russians came marching down the road. The locals went into hiding and the jews just gave them up straight away.
There are lots of stories like this. I assumed most of it is propaganda.

Whether or not it is propaganda, you can witness it happening in modern society.

The clearest example is the United States sending 3 billion dollars annually to Israel no questions asked without any clear return on the payment. Anytime U.S. leadership questions the motives of Israel leadership, they are called out as anti-Semitic.

Another good example is the growth of Jewish presence at Ivy league universities to the exclusion of non-Jewish white men. This was brought up by scorpion.

(03-01-2014 08:28 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Ron Unz (a Jew) had a really good article awhile back looking at Ivy League enrollment statistics. His conclusion was that Jews were massively overrepresented relative to their academic performance, which has been declining in recent years relative to whites and Asians. Given the enormous importance of the Ivy League pedigree for jump starting a successful career in academia, banking, government and media, it becomes clear how Jewish networking/nepotism in the Ivy League over the past several decades has given an enormous boost to Jewish influence in the country, especially relative to other minority groups.

Basically, Jews are receiving preferential Ivy League admissions relative to all other ethnic groups, despite being the most successful and privileged ethnic group in the country. What's happening is that Jews are being categorized as "white" for admissions purposes, so in an incoming class that is 50% "white" total, 25% might be WASPs and 25% Jews, a 1:1 ratio, despite whites being over 50% of the population and Jews 2%. So in this manner Jews can both displace whites from the Ivy League and increase their own numbers at the same time, largely under the radar.

This is easily accomplished simply by favoring applications from Jewish students (which can be easily identified by traditional Jewish surnames and/or involvement with Jewish clubs/organizations) over those of similarly qualified whites. Since Jews count as "whites" for admissions purposes, nothing seems amiss on the surface. This is exactly the sort of thing you would expect to happen if Jews were inclined to engage in extreme levels of ethnic networking/favoritism as I suggested earlier.

[quote=Ron Unz]The evidence of the recent NMS semifinalist lists seems the most conclusive of all, given the huge statistical sample sizes involved. As discussed earlier, these students constitute roughly the highest 0.5 percent in academic ability, the top 16,000 high school seniors who should be enrolling at the Ivy League and America’s other most elite academic universities. In California, white Gentile names outnumber Jewish ones by over 8-to-1; in Texas, over 20-to-1; in Florida and Illinois, around 9-to-1. Even in New York, America’s most heavily Jewish state, there are more than two high-ability white Gentile students for every Jewish one. Based on the overall distribution of America’s population, it appears that approximately 65–70 percent of America’s highest ability students are non-Jewish whites, well over ten times the Jewish total of under 6 percent.

Needless to say, these proportions are considerably different from what we actually find among the admitted students at Harvard and its elite peers, which today serve as a direct funnel to the commanding heights of American academics, law, business, and finance. Based on reported statistics, Jews approximately match or even outnumber non-Jewish whites at Harvard and most of the other Ivy League schools, which seems wildly disproportionate. Indeed, the official statistics indicate that non-Jewish whites at Harvard are America’s most under-represented population group, enrolled at a much lower fraction of their national population than blacks or Hispanics, despite having far higher academic test scores.

When examining statistical evidence, the proper aggregation of data is critical. Consider the ratio of the recent 2007–2011 enrollment of Asian students at Harvard relative to their estimated share of America’s recent NMS semifinalists, a reasonable proxy for the high-ability college-age population, and compare this result to the corresponding figure for whites. The Asian ratio is 63 percent, slightly above the white ratio of 61 percent, with both these figures being considerably below parity due to the substantial presence of under-represented racial minorities such as blacks and Hispanics, foreign students, and students of unreported race. Thus, there appears to be no evidence for racial bias against Asians, even excluding the race-neutral impact of athletic recruitment, legacy admissions, and geographical diversity.

However, if we separate out the Jewish students, their ratio turns out to be 435 percent, while the residual ratio for non-Jewish whites drops to just 28 percent, less than half of even the Asian figure. As a consequence, Asians appear under-represented relative to Jews by a factor of seven, while non-Jewish whites are by far the most under-represented group of all, despite any benefits they might receive from athletic, legacy, or geographical distribution factors. The rest of the Ivy League tends to follow a similar pattern, with the overall Jewish ratio being 381 percent, the Asian figure at 62 percent, and the ratio for non-Jewish whites a low 35 percent, all relative to their number of high-ability college-age students.

Just as striking as these wildly disproportionate current numbers have been the longer enrollment trends. In the three decades since I graduated Harvard, the presence of white Gentiles has dropped by as much as 70 percent, despite no remotely comparable decline in the relative size or academic performance of that population; meanwhile, the percentage of Jewish students has actually increased. This period certainly saw a very rapid rise in the number of Asian, Hispanic, and foreign students, as well as some increase in blacks. But it seems rather odd that all of these other gains would have come at the expense of whites of Christian background, and none at the expense of Jews.

Furthermore, the Harvard enrollment changes over the last decade have been even more unusual when we compare them to changes in the underlying demographics. Between 2000 and 2011, the relative percentage of college-age blacks enrolled at Harvard dropped by 18 percent, along with declines of 13 percent for Asians and 11 percent for Hispanics, while only whites increased, expanding their relative enrollment by 16 percent. However, this is merely an optical illusion: in fact, the figure for non-Jewish whites slightly declined, while the relative enrollment of Jews increased by over 35 percent, probably reaching the highest level in Harvard’s entire history. Thus, the relative presence of Jews rose sharply while that of all other groups declined, and this occurred during exactly the period when the once-remarkable academic performance of Jewish high school students seemed to suddenly collapse.

The resentment that Christian (European for the atheists) men have held towards the Jewish community over the millennia was not formed out of thin air.

It always ends up being a one way flow of resources from the Christian community to the Jewish community and that is where the resentment starts.
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If you really study history and read from contemporary sources, then I think anyone will come to the conclusion that we haven't been told the full story at all.

On this topic I am reminded of the saying:

"If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole."
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(04-04-2014 02:35 AM)soup Wrote:  Sounds like you arguing against free market.

I agree that entirely free market is not a good thing.

It was a dog eat dog world back then. I'm sure there were many stories about non-Jews fucking each other over as well, but since this now a Jew bashing thread, I guess they don't belong here.

Don't get me wrong... Exploiting people is awesome! Not to mention mandatory if you want to make money.
I would be doing it right now if I could!
I just wouldn't expect people to treat me fairly in return.

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Jews are achievers. Anyone who is successful will always have haters.

Hitler was the ultimate hater. Germans of that era were jealous of the Jews - their money, their success, their achievements.

It was OK for Germans to be successful and rich but not an "inferior" minority. Nein nein nein!

Jealousy, plain and simple, is what drives antisemitism and the various conspiracy theories.

I have lots of Jewish friends. They are cool to hang out with, well-educated and entrepreneurial. Yes, they use the Jewish community to network but why wouldn't you?

Don't be a hater. Look at successful people (yes this includes many Jews) and try to emulate them.

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(04-04-2014 03:11 AM)dreambig Wrote:  Jews are achievers. Anyone who is successful will always have haters.

Hitler was the ultimate hater. Germans of that era were jealous of the Jews - their money, their success, their achievements.

It was OK for Germans to be successful and rich but not an "inferior" minority. Nein nein nein!

Jealousy, plain and simple, is what drives antisemitism and the various conspiracy theories.

I have lots of Jewish friends. They are cool to hang out with, well-educated and entrepreneurial. Yes, they use the Jewish community to network but why wouldn't you?

Don't be a hater. Look at successful people (yes this includes many Jews) and try to emulate them.

That's very simplistic view. Anti-semittism historically has been a) religious and b) nationalistic.

Early anti-semittism was largely religious due to the whole 'jews killed christ' thing and because there were rumors of blood libel, kidnapping of christian children and using their blood in rituals during passover: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel.

Martin Luther was a notorious anti-semitte for example with his book "On the jews and their lies": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies

Second wave anti-semittism arose much later as a response to jewish financial power in Europe and the idea that jewish financiers backed both sides of european wars for their own benefit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_...eonic_Wars

Third wave semittism, which eventually culminated with WW2 and the nazis, was because Marxism and Communism was largely jewish movements to begin with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism
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(04-04-2014 02:21 AM)spalex Wrote:  Soooo to my point.
It's not like Hitler came into power and convinced millions to hate jews, that's impossible.
Everyone already hated jews and wanted them gone.

Now I don't really know anything about the history of the persecution of jews.... But this was just a few countries in Europe.
So can imagine similar things were happening in a lot of other places, for a lot longer.

Anti-semitism was a "mainstream" position all across the Western world when the Nazi party formed, not just in Central and Eastern Europe.

(04-04-2014 02:49 AM)All or Nothing Wrote:  Another good example is the growth of Jewish presence at Ivy league universities to the exclusion of non-Jewish white men. This was brought up by scorpion.

The Unz article has been thoroughly debunked, although Unz refuses to admit it. [1] [2]

Ashkenazi Jews don't rule the world, they've just evolved high verbal and mathematical intelligence, and we know why.
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Don't blame the Jews if they used the system. Blane the system for not having proper checks and balances.

Also, blaming the Jews for buying up food is like blaming a player at the club for picking up the hottest girl; jealousy.

Also, Jews did integrate.

People in this thread are talking about how Jews "infiltrated" society, and then others are arguing about how they didn't.

You can't have it both ways.

Redpill isn't about being a nazi. A lot of talk around here lately about how if you don't believe in Jesus, you are a feminist, or crazy communist. Sounds like the forum is being infiltrated by evangelist trolls.
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(04-04-2014 09:20 AM)soup Wrote:  Redpill isn't about being a nazi.

The red pill is certainly not about calling everyone who holds low opinions of the Jews a Nazi, either.

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(04-04-2014 09:37 AM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  
(04-04-2014 09:20 AM)soup Wrote:  Redpill isn't about being a nazi.

The red pill is certainly not about calling everyone who holds low opinions of the Jews a Nazi, either.

Wald

I didn't say anyone here was. But it definitely sounds like some people on this thread agree with the Nazis about the Jews.

"expelled for good reason"

Also, don't group all the Jews together. The actions of one person or even a bunch of people does not justify condemning an entire ethnicity.
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(04-04-2014 09:37 AM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  
(04-04-2014 09:20 AM)soup Wrote:  Redpill isn't about being a nazi.

The red pill is certainly not about calling everyone who holds low opinions of the Jews a Nazi, either.

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Goes for just about any race or religion as well. See things for what they are.
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The Jewish question is the 800 lb gorilla. I say we get it all out in this thread and move on. Just like the Coca-Cola ad thread settled the illegal immigration question, more or less.
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(04-03-2014 10:31 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  Well, they're coming out of the closet, eh?

Jews and state of Israel are not the same thing. Especially when some of the most harsh and percipient critics of Israel are Jews.

Israel took a wrong turn when they loaded up with people from the Soviet Union. Those people imported the Soviet police-state mentality. Now you have extremists in the Israeli government. It has as much to do with your average American or British Jew as the IRA does with Joe O'Malley in Milwaukee.

The Palestinian Arabs have not helped themselves much, either. Stupid and brutal acts of terrorism like 1972 Munich and multiple other attacks, like rolling an old guy in a wheelchair off a cruise liner. Their leadership from Arafat on has also been massively corrupt.

It's been said before; the "red pill" does not mean signing up for the Nazis.

Meet the late Kit Nash, leader of the irish community in Milwaukee and former IRA member http://news.google.com/newspapers? nid=1683&dat=20000224&id=kLEaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=rjAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6494,2707231

You were saying?....

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(04-04-2014 09:52 AM)Blick Mang Wrote:  
(04-04-2014 09:37 AM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  
(04-04-2014 09:20 AM)soup Wrote:  Redpill isn't about being a nazi.

The red pill is certainly not about calling everyone who holds low opinions of the Jews a Nazi, either.

Wald

Goes for just about any race or religion as well. See things for what they are.

Obviously some religions are worse than others..
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Glad to see the RooshV forum is getting a healthy influx of Storm Front members!
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Quote:I say we get it all out in this thread and move on.

Just be respectful to other members' views.

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