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Is there anything to be learned from 50 shades of Grey?
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Is there anything to be learned from 50 shades of Grey?
Has anyone ever read this book?

Can you give us a cliff note of anything valuable we can learn from it?

I've been thinking about skimming this book.

It might provide some insights into into the psychology of what pushes women's buttons on a deep level.

Is there any game related knowledge to be extracted from this book or any erotica related book that you know of?

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04-19-2014 03:53 AM
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RE: Is there anything to be learned from 50 shades of Grey?
I read the free preview of the book on Kindle lets u check out like the first 30 pages I believe it wasnt interesting enough to finish Apparently some early 20s PNW chick meets some mid 20s billionaire who introduces her to light S&M? The book was immensely popular with american women, only lesson I can take from it is bitches like to be dominated.

Not a huge revelation.

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04-19-2014 04:07 AM
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RE: Is there anything to be learned from 50 shades of Grey?
Push/pull
Bondage and other sexual play techniques
Dominance

And, through all of that, less pedestalization of women (because of being aware that they're not innocent little angels).

If you ignore the super-hamsterized parts towards the end where the male protagonist falls for the female and does Beta shit, it's a shitty but an educational book. I benefited from reading it.

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04-19-2014 04:29 AM
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RE: Is there anything to be learned from 50 shades of Grey?
Apart from a good tell about real female desires, which should be emulated by any man to a degree (tells you what women really want - thus a good read) - the book is basically ushering in the new thing on the agenda - trans-generational-sex - meaning pedophelia.

And by pedophelia I don't mean the Blue Pill bogus creep alarm when a 30-year-old guy fucks a 15-year-old girl who has already fucked 3 cads at her highschool.

I mean hardcore pedophelia below the age of sexual maturity. The main female protagonist has the full hallmarks and behaviors of an innocent pre-puberty 12-year-old. The language she uses and the sexual immaturity does not come even close to the maturity level of a 17-year-old and she is supposed to be a coed.

Basically it is continued social engineering by our masters. And for those out there who believe that feminism, sexual "liberation" (by that mostly females are "liberated"), transgenderism, promotion of homosexuality are just organic movements that "just happen" then they should at least go out and do some alternative research at reputable sources (Alan Watt, americandeception.com etc.) to alleviate any doubts regarding the issue.
04-19-2014 07:35 AM
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RE: Is there anything to be learned from 50 shades of Grey?
1. Women are very horny
2. Women are very dumb
3. All writing about sex and erotica is so bad that if you can do it at even a very low level there is money to be made
4. Since every female has read this book, bringing it up early is a good way to sexualize an interaction -- ask her if she's read it and what she thinks about it. Carrying it around and "reading" in a coffee shop is not a bad idea either

same old shit, sixes and sevens Shaft...
04-19-2014 11:37 AM
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RE: Is there anything to be learned from 50 shades of Grey?
I think one would be better off getting a best of Nacho Vidal DVD! I just looked it up and he has a few out. Study that shit and emulate his techniques.
04-19-2014 03:31 PM
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RE: Is there anything to be learned from 50 shades of Grey?
Going against the grain and saying that 50 shades of Grey is a fantastic exploration of a woman's psyche.

Yes the writing is painfully shitty.
Yes there is way too much hamsterization.
But it is meant to be mommy porn yeah?

Just like tits & asses are usually way more important than the movie plot or character decelopment when you watch porn, similarly rather than the pensmanship it is the ideas contained within the book that women get off to.

A critical difference between the sexes, one which I'm sure you know of is that men tend to be more overt about their actions and sexual desires whereas covert communication is the language of the female.

When you read the book, ignore the terrible writing, the glaring gaps in logic and the obvious "game"y baits the author has thrown around.

Pay close attention to the sheer dominance that the guy has over the girl.
This is before all the fucked up shit starts happening... The bondage and domination thing is merely prolonging pleasure of total surrender and pushing the envelope further .... It allows the woman reading the book to explore and masturbate to the deepest, darkest most fucked up desires of her without actually being in any danger of it ( there was a thread here on rvf wherein some guy wrote about how a girl he choked and slapped around told him " I knew u wouldn't really hurt me, but I got lost in the possibility of it".... Same thing.)

I'd urge you not to get too lost in the post bdsm activities within the book...skim it...there are some valuable lessons there but get into it too much and you risk losing your handle on what constitutes too much.... Pain can be exceptionally pleasurable but it's very easy to get drunk on power or go overboard.

The ideal of a fiendishly powerful man in pursuit of (an ordimary, helpless, powerless, "virginal" woman), the imperfections in this perfect guy when she realizes how he's been abused or something when he was young, the fact that he's wanted by other women and that he's had other women and that he can have other women, his sexual prowess, the fact that he's such a perfect, complicated and conflicted man, how he has an awesome brother who conveniently falls for the protagonists best friend, his sophisticated parents, how he steals her panties just before they go down to meet his mom etc etc.
A few choice phrases of his also, which I use on occasion.

Hypergamy, the Madonna whore duality, domination, comfort, the thirsty friendzoned beta "embarrassing" her in front of the main guy etc etc.

Too much is made of the BDSM thing.
Its not so much that.

Even the grey tie on the cover.
Represents tying her and therefore the whole BDSM shit right?

Not quite.




Caveat : I've read the book about a couple of years ago, and only managed about three fourths of it, so a few details may be here and there.

But a worthy book to read. Once.

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04-19-2014 09:37 PM
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RE: Is there anything to be learned from 50 shades of Grey?
Danger and Plays theory about women and choking is accurate.
04-20-2014 01:19 AM
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RE: Is there anything to be learned from 50 shades of Grey?
I actually did read the book, mainly for educational purposes. My theory on its popularity is that it is extreme enough to stir and excite people, yet it doesn't go too far as that would scare them away. Story of O by Pauline Reage and Justine by de Sade make it look like a Sunday school picnic. Most of people in the BDSM community absolutely hate this book, too.

My other theory on its popularity is that it glorifies gold-digging and also glorifies dishonesty about it. The woman is a college senior who is a virgin when she meets him. She's been "too good" for a relationship, then she suddenly gives into this guy. She also claims that she's not interested in his wallet.

The man is just a pathetic loser who throws money around trying to impress the woman. When she shows up at the airport, she learns that he has paid for an upgrade to first class. He also gives her an old rare and collectible book.

It's hard to find a story with two more unlikeable characters.

What can be learned? Well, you can learn how to write a crappy book that sells a lot. Many complain that it repeats the same words over and over. The fact is that this has a hypnotic effect and gets people into it.

Here is a funny article by Dave Barry on the book:

http://ideas.time.com/2014/03/04/dave-ba...s-of-grey/

Finally, we men should remember what Ellsworth Toohey says in The Fountainhead: "Never bother to examine a folly, ask only what it accomplishes." If the book makes a woman in your life horny, make the most of it.,
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04-20-2014 04:15 PM
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RE: Is there anything to be learned from 50 shades of Grey?
(04-20-2014 04:15 PM)puckerman Wrote:  I actually did read the book, mainly for educational purposes. My theory on its popularity is that it is extreme enough to stir and excite people, yet it doesn't go too far as that would scare them away. Story of O by Pauline Reage and Justine by de Sade make it look like a Sunday school picnic. Most of people in the BDSM community absolutely hate this book, too.

Absolutely true - lack of safe word, giving the girl drinks to loosen her up, major no-nos in "true" BDSM. That said, most of the women I know who are into true BDSM are fat, unattractive, and/or major head cases. Many overt feminists are into BDSM & the attendant rules because it allows them to live their fantasies while the elaborate rules enable them to keep control.

One of the old school PUAs, Ross Jeffries, I think, said a really valuable thing with a woman is to listen/read what she's saying, because she will give you the language to seduce her. That's what 50 shades is, it's a fucking encyclopedia of woman-ese. This thing sold over 100 million copies, and you know for damn sure that women bought 95% of those. One of the moms I know told me she loves her kindle because nobody can see that she's reading 50 Shades.

Quote:It's hard to find a story with two more unlikeable characters.

So true. That's the hardest part about the book. I've had women say they absolutely hate the female character, she makes the stupidest decisions again and again. But still, 100 million copies. There is definitely something important to learn about female psychology in here.
04-27-2014 11:25 AM
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RE: Is there anything to be learned from 50 shades of Grey?
Here's my 50 shades inspired thoughts:

Ask a girl what she looks for in a guy, and you will likely get a few vanilla responses "He is independent, make me laugh, etc." However, ask her to write a book in which she charts a hypothetical relationship with said guy, and soon he is absolutely right for every circumstance she would encounter.

Logically, it makes sense. Think to yourself: "percentage wise, how much of my behavior should turn a woman on?" 50%? 80%? 100%? If women could answer truthfully, they stand to increasingly benefit from, and indeed expect (in fantasy) that 100% of your behaviors provide her a turn on. If you read 50 shades, recognize how any detail that doesn't serve to sustain or increase her attraction/connection/emotional state is left out entirely.

Obviously you need like 40% of your time to work on logistics, aka career, earning money, paying bills, etc.

That's why Game is so critical, to portray logistics as a sexual turn on. If you can imagine how a bag of skittles makes a girl turned on (when presented in the correct light), then you are well on your way to understanding that 100% of your efforts with women need to have some sexual stake in them.
04-27-2014 05:10 PM
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RE: Is there anything to be learned from 50 shades of Grey?
50 shades is ruining the BDSM world. It used to be that submissive women were pretty cool. They had discovered themselves by themselves.

Now we're seeing a huge influx of massive fatties who read the book and made it part of their hamsterization process. Yeech.
04-28-2014 11:06 AM
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RE: Is there anything to be learned from 50 shades of Grey?
(04-28-2014 11:06 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  50 shades is ruining the BDSM world. It used to be that submissive women were pretty cool. They had discovered themselves by themselves.

Now we're seeing a huge influx of massive fatties who read the book and made it part of their hamsterization process. Yeech.

Based on my experience, the BDSM world has always been mostly fatties.
04-29-2014 01:44 AM
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RE: Is there anything to be learned from 50 shades of Grey?
Yeah, women like porn and society doesn't care about that.
04-29-2014 04:41 AM
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