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A large portion of the Donbass region refugees are in Belgorad, Russia if anyone wants to tap that market. It's not bad. Only an hour and a half drive from Kharkov. Slip some pictures of Russian Orthodox Saints into your passport before hitting the checkpoint. No visa needed, tell them you're dropping off some family belongings to a friend and show them your bag with your own clothes. When coming back through say you were dropping off some belongings and live in Kharkov. Make sure those Saints are still in your passport,
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(05-24-2018 12:42 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  You just admitted that the City is filled with 8's and 9's. So, what were you expecting? Talk about unrealistic expectations.

How many cities in the world are filled with 8's and 9's?

Well I wouldn't say it was filled with 8's an 9's, even admitting that there were, say, five times more of them than in a western European country, they were still few and far between. I'm quite willing to admit that i probably had unrealistic expectations, but I guess my point was that I had expected the special russian talent to be more evenly spread, which it wasn't: there's a sizeable minority of 7s, 8s and 9s which you may not have elsewhere, but the vast majority still are downright unfuckable.

So these days have gone so fast, I'm going to try and write up a detailed report now on the way home before I forget all the details. Short story is, there weren't any more notches than that first girl, unfortunately.
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(05-26-2018 07:25 PM)Банин Wrote:  
(05-24-2018 12:42 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  You just admitted that the City is filled with 8's and 9's. So, what were you expecting? Talk about unrealistic expectations.

How many cities in the world are filled with 8's and 9's?

Well I wouldn't say it was filled with 8's an 9's, even admitting that there were, say, five times more of them than in a western European country, they were still few and far between. I'm quite willing to admit that i probably had unrealistic expectations, but I guess my point was that I had expected the special russian talent to be more evenly spread, which it wasn't: there's a sizeable minority of 7s, 8s and 9s which you may not have elsewhere, but the vast majority still are downright unfuckable.

So these days have gone so fast, I'm going to try and write up a detailed report now on the way home before I forget all the details. Short story is, there weren't any more notches than that first girl, unfortunately.

@Banin, Curious how did you get a girl so quickly in St. Pete. From my experience it requires multiple dates. Was it daygame/nightgame/online? Also, What's your level of Russian fluency?
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Awright, here is a breakdown of my trip:

Day 1:
Arrived 7pm by train, by the time I had checked into my flat, headed to the local shop and bought food and booze, and headed out it was 9pm. I had this date planned with an asian-looking girl (from tinder), which wasn't my first choice but the other one I had up for the evening flaked.
I meet her at Ioannovskiy Most, which is right by the fortress on the Petrogradske side. She turns out to be a solid 7 in a cute summer dress and we walk around the backside of the fortress by the river. The whole way is made of cobblestones and we have a fun time while I tease her for her heels and she leans on me for support quite naturally. On the language front though, I'm trying my best to chat her up with my rudimentary Russian. With mixed results, but well at least it was just about enough to keep the conversation flowing. I surprised myself by keeping it up the whole evening actually, it's crazy the motivation and purposefulness wanting to get the bang will do for your language skills.

We walk some more, maybe half an hour, and sohe takes me to a Georgian joint where I duly wine and dine her for a perfectly affordable dime. At that point she's mentioned a couple of times taking the last metro, but by the time we come out of the restaurant it's too late for that. I was a bit unsure whether she was mollified enough to bounce directly to my flat so I suggest a venue change, which she is up for. We jump into an uber to a random bar address in my phone, which turns out to be closed when we get out of the cab. She then really wants to check out another bar a few blocks away, which is fine by me. The distances in this city are huge though, by the time we get to this other place it's about 1am, and that other bar is dead empty. i had already dropped some bait about my flat, and it struck me that I could try to use the bridges-logistic to my advantage, even though i live on the "wrong" side of the river. I suggest bouncing to my place, pointing out that it seems that the city is dead on a mid-week evening, but that if we'd like to go, we should do it right away before they lift the bridges. No resistance, she even fixes a cab herself on her phone.

At this point I've still not kissed her, in line with Tuth's recipe. We get home and I open a bottle of (at best passable) Crimean champagne which she gobs up, and the temperature rises pretty quickly. Until this point, asian girl has behaved in most ways like a western woman. Well she didn't offer to participate in any costs the whole evening, but that was expected. Anyways, I hit a wall when it comes to rubbing anything more than her boobs. I have never seen a so sudden and stubborn LMR my entire life. I tried everything on her, from octopus to tender to caveman with a bit of force, she would not at any point let me touch her cookie. Three hours and many attempts later, we are in bed, still down to underwear and the progress which has been achieved is painfully little. She has her period, which i do everything to tell her isn’t a problem, but that seems to be a big dealbreaker for her. At that point I've been awake for 26 hours, I’m pretty fed up, and I just tell her to get the f** out.
That seems to do the trick though, she asks all of a sudden to take a shower, and 10 minutes later I’m destroying her kitty. I pass out after banging her twice, make her coffee and bang her once more in the morning, and she leaves.

So that was a +1, though it took hours to break trough that LMR.

@TripleG:
Well my best guess is that that night was down to a lot of luck and some unexpected reverse psychology. Didn’t hurt that she was into me from the start, and I’m pretty proud of managing to keep the conversation flowing, but really I think she was ripe and DTF anyone with enough persistence and a minimum of game.
Another factor may have been her age, which was close to mine in her late 20s. I think they get a lot lower self-value after turning 25 or something, as has been mentioned elsewhere. This one has a pregnant and married sister who is five years younger than hers, and I imagine the family pressure to settle down and make babies must take its toll.
The part where my attempts failed the other evenings was to venue bounce to my flat, but this one gave no resistance at that point. I think it has to do with tuth’s no-kissing policy, the plausible deniability is just too tempting for them. Good to know that works on Russian girls too though.

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Not much to say about the city that first evening, but if you’re interested, this is the georgian place Where we ate:
Khachapuri I Vino
Kadetskaya Liniya Vo, 29 on Vassiliey ostrov near Sportivnaya.
The food and wine were good, the place modern and clean, and everything was really cheap, even by SPb standards. The drawback is that they only have high tables with barstools, not the most conducive place for kino.

Oh yeah unfortunately she was from the east of Russia and not from one of the Stan-states as I thought she might be with her looks. So these flags will have to wait.
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Day 2:
After kicking out Asian girl, taking a shower and suiting up, I head out for two job interviews. I have about an hour between the two so I grab a bite to eat on a terrace in Nevsky prospekt and enjoy a spot of people watching. Getting a lot of IOIs from the waitress, but she’s maybe a 6 on a good day so I politely exit the conversation. Getting a coffee, I try the lighter routine on a set of three young dyevs sitting a couple of tables away, two 7s-isj and one solid 8. At that point I am wearing a really sharp suit though, I don’t know if that might have helped, but they invite me to sit with them and take turns interrogating me in English. More than happy to oblige, I have to exit after 15 minutes or something, I don’t take digits but I get a Vkontaktye-close on the 8 and one of the 7s.

After the second interview, I walk down Nevsky towards the river and try some cold approaches. I use some lame line about being new to the city and needing some tips, but most of them are not biting. Did maybe 5-6 approaches like this. I think day game from walking girls on Nevsky is tough, because most of them are in a hurry. As had been mentioned elsewhere, they are also far less naive and better at reading men than western women and they know plenty well what you’re doing, so the distraction which should build up comfort really doesn’t work. My Russian is also too slow to hold them back from their walk for example by ranting at them. Anyways, on the plus side even with my lame opening most of them stop and are receptive at least for a little while, I think I lost most of them around the 1-minute mark. Someone with more solid language skills and tight day game might have closed those, but I’m not there yet.

I decide to change tack and just go up to any 8+ who isn’t walking too fast, and give them the most honest opening: compliment profusely, play the love-struck romantic who just can’t walk away, and ask them out. Funnily enough that works much better, they’re originally set aback but also flattered, and some of them also complimented me back, which I would put down to the suit. Out of 5 approaches I get 2 digits and 2 vkontaktye closes, a close rate of 80%. The conversation is also much shorter, which is fine with my limited Russian. Two of the 4 were flakes, but 2 of them bit and were down for dates as early as the next evening. I made sure to drop that I was moving to St Pete soon early on though, so that may have helped.

By the way, apart from the 8 at the lunch place, none of the 8+ I opened seem to speak any English whatsoever. This would seem to confirm the ‘hotter girls don’t speak English’ theory.

Anyways, it’s getting way too hot on Nevsky and I need to get out of my suit, so I head back to my place, change and head out to meet another date from tinder I had lined up in advance.

She didn’t want to go to a bar but insists on meeting at a pseudo-French cafe/restaurant. She’s a bit uglier than her pictures, but still a nice 8-body and only about 19, so I go full gear.
To make it short, the date is a bit of a disaster. She orders the most expensive food on the menu and some imported wine, which makes all sorts of alarm bells ring. I never really break through her ice-queen facade.
Language wise it’s a lot harder than with Asian girl, maybe because the setting is so much more formal, sitting on opposite sides of the table with no possibilities of kino. She doesn’t seem to find my bad Russian entertaining either, something which worked really well with Asian girl. Anyways, it turns out that she didn’t want to go to a bar as they’re apparently stricter with the drinking age limits than in restaurants, which I try to take advantage of by dropping some pretty heavy bait about the booze in my fridge. At some point after an hour or two of having a pretty difficult time, I kind of gave up. Her life situation was a bit of a turnoff also, here is a young chick who is neither studying nor working, nor has any plans to do either, and is just living off her parents without an ounce of shame. Beyond the language barrier issue, we have nothing to talk about and I can’t get her excited about anything.

When going out of the restaurant (my wallet was relieved of a salty €60 or smth, contrast with €25 at the Georgian place with asian girl), I try to do a venue bounce, but with her not going to bars it’s not that easy. My suggestion to bounce to my place is met with a laugh, and I get her to piss off. I guess I should have checked the price level at that Café she insisted on before agreeing, and taken the cue that she was taking me out for a ride.

It’s still early so I head off to Rubinstein street where all the bars are. I knew it would be an uphill struggle going solo, but you never know. I try 2 of the busier places with a younger crowd, i did maybe 4-5 approaches. Opening all-girl sets is just hopeless without a wing, even with the one receptive 7 who bites, I’m quickly and mercilessly cockblocked by her friends (and when I say mercilessly, I mean being icily asked to leave in English, whereas I was talking to the receptive one in Russian).

At the third bar I hear a pretty good-looking guy, maybe 5-10yrs older than me, talking in German into his phone, and while I’m ordering at the bar I see him approaching two sets in English and burning both pretty quick. Makes me smile, so I go talk to him, hoping that he can wing. Pretty cool guy, decent natural game from what I can see in the next half hour, but I don’t think he knows any game theory. Anyways at some point I have managed to open a three-set with two girls and a guy, and the German guy is off burning the last value he has by approaching every last set in the bar. By the time I find out that the extra girl in my set is just waiting for her bf and take an exit, my improvised wing has finally gotten a two-set to bite, but they’re a 4 and a 5. Can’t be arsed so I try to gesture to him to venue bounce, but he seems too enthusiastic about his new groupies, so I leave without him. Shame how much natural talent some guys are wasting.

I change tack at the fourth bar and approach a large mixed set, who turns out to be a bunch of pretty fun students. I spend the rest of the evening with them, trying the mystery method. Let’s just say that even toned down negging was not a good idea, I managed to make the only 8 in the set dislike me. Her 7 friend was more receptive, but quite early on the ugliest girl in the group starts being all over me and I’m having a hard time getting rid of her. I try leveraging it to create jealousy but that doesn’t work, and she won’t leave me alone. Anyways at the time where bridges are lowered for a short time around 2.45, I try a more radical approach, by inviting the whole set of 10-ish back to my place for an after party. After some initial enthusiasm, especially from the guys, that falls through, I think because we would have had to take three cabs and they would end up on the wrong side of the river. I just leave it at that after getting the contacts of the more presentable guy who also speaks English.

At this point I’m kind of regretting not answering to Asian girl earlier who wanted to come over again.

Anyway my conclusion from an evening of night game (bar setting though, no clubs) is that it really is tough going solo, at least on Rubinstein. Possibly with more solid Russian, tight night game and an adapted version of the Mystery method for FSU mentality, there might be a way, but i’m not there yet.

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Not much to say other than the best way is to go up and down the whole street once and to check which places are busiest. Can’t remember which ones I ended up at, but most of them were within two-three blocks from Nevsky as the street seems to die out when you go beyond that.
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Great posts banin. Keep em coming

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Thanks for my first rep point Beirut Smile day 3 and 4 will have to wait a bit.
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Traveling solo in a new city is tough, especially for night-game so I respect that you're managing to do that. One recommendation is to find a bar/lounge near (walking distance) your place which you like due to atmosphere. "Lock it down" by greasing the staff a bit and then use that place as your main date hub.
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(05-27-2018 10:29 PM)TripleG Wrote:  Traveling solo in a new city is tough, especially for night-game so I respect that you're managing to do that. One recommendation is to find a bar/lounge near (walking distance) your place which you like due to atmosphere. "Lock it down" by greasing the staff a bit and then use that place as your main date hub.

He should do that with 2 or 3 of the top clubs as well. That's good advice and not many people do this.
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(05-27-2018 10:29 PM)TripleG Wrote:  Traveling solo in a new city is tough, especially for night-game so I respect that you're managing to do that. One recommendation is to find a bar/lounge near (walking distance) your place which you like due to atmosphere. "Lock it down" by greasing the staff a bit and then use that place as your main date hub.

Well, my flat was in a pretty dead area, I realised after getting there. But very good advice on locking down venues, I'll definitely try to do that once I'm there permanently. Hopefully I'll find a good wing then also Smile

(05-28-2018 10:18 AM)nola Wrote:  He should do that with 2 or 3 of the top clubs as well. That's good advice and not many people do this.

Also good to do, though I'm not sure how much I'll be out in the top clubs to be honest. As I mentioned in my first post on the previous page, night game is not my specialty and my wallet is unfortunately not extensible, but clearly there will be some going out during that year, so it can be good to have some places where you're recognised (maybe even given a free pass on the queue if you have greased the bouncers there before...)
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Yes "Greasing a few palms" seems to be an American cultural peculiarity. I think the rest of us just concentrate on being friendly
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Alright, sorry about the delay folks, been a bit busy on the road back.

Day 3:

Out early for more interviews and flat visits. No opportunities there. Meet up with a photographer that I found on insta and does cheap photoshoots, we walk around while she takes pictures of me (will come in handy for online game later on, methinks). Has anyone else noticed how all the girls in Russia have professional shots of themselves on their profile, or nearly all? well I'm not certain but I think it can't help to post pictures that are on their level at least. Back at the crib around 5pm.

I try to set up a date with the four girls I closed the previous day, two of them flake, one can't that evening, and the last one says she has plans but can meet me in town at some undefined later point.

Just about when I'm considering my options, which at that point are either to set up a date with some of my pipelined matches (some of whom I haven't talked to in several days) or to just go out and see how it flows, Asian girl sends me a message and wants to come over. Takes me a bit of time to decide, but in the end I figure why not. It's quite early, she was a good bang, and we had a great vibe. In case my day-close 8 really wants to meet up in town, I'll still have banged Asian girl a couple of times and can politely show her out.

Asian girl comes over, the clothes are off within a few minutes, she goes down on me and basically begs me to take her right there standing in front of the entrance mirror. Works for me. Some blood stains ensue on the persian rug there, I hope my Airbnb host doesn't notice.

Day-close 8 never writes back, and I can't find the motivation to go hunting when I've got this charming piece of cookie in my bed. So that's how that evening went. We stay up until 5 am, drinking vodka, smoking hash and singing. I think I banged her 4 times that evening, but it's a bit hazy.

EDIT: Forgot to mention. We did go out at around 2.30am, at that point it was already getting light. We took a blanket and went and sat at the same place we were on the first date, on the river side of the Peter and Paul fortress. We looked at the bridges going down and up again while drinking some more. Romantic setting, probably a bit too drunk at that time to really make anything more out of it, but it's a cool spot, and may be a good venue change / makeout spot / distraction at around that time of the night if trying to tie up a reluctant bang.

Next morning I bring her some breakfast in bed (I just like doing that. Most girls have never ever experienced a gentleman before, and you know, it keeps them coming back Wink) I bang her once and then show her the door.
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(05-29-2018 10:58 AM)Банин Wrote:  drinking vodka, smoking hash and singing. I think I banged her 4 times that evening, but it's a bit hazy.

You've been just three days in Russia, with "rudimentary Russian" and no friends or relatives, and already managed to buy hash? Where and from whom I wonder? From a stranger in a bar? I mean, be careful, there are risks involved.
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(05-29-2018 12:01 PM)Going strong Wrote:  
(05-29-2018 10:58 AM)Банин Wrote:  drinking vodka, smoking hash and singing. I think I banged her 4 times that evening, but it's a bit hazy.

You've been just three days in Russia, with "rudimentary Russian" and no friends or relatives, and already managed to buy hash? Where and from whom I wonder? From a stranger in a bar? I mean, be careful, there are risks involved.

I am not sure why anyone engages in such risks in a foreign country, where they are unfamiliar with the culture, the legal system, and all the associated risks. There is plenty of booze in Russia. Time to watch "Return to Paradise":






Apparently, possession of up to two grams of hashish is an administrative infraction in Russia rather than a criminal charge. But will a foreigner be deported for such an administrative infraction? Who knows?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_Russia
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(05-29-2018 12:01 PM)Going strong Wrote:  You've been just three days in Russia, with "rudimentary Russian" and no friends or relatives, and already managed to buy hash? Where and from whom I wonder? From a stranger in a bar? I mean, be careful, there are risks involved.

This was actually hers. I couldn't believe it when she took it up and started rolling, I never had the impression she was a stoner. But hey, I'm not gonna say no.

(05-29-2018 01:27 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  I am not sure why anyone engages in such risks in a foreign country, where they are unfamiliar with the culture, the legal system, and all the associated risks. There is plenty of booze in Russia. Time to watch "Return to Paradise":

Apparently, possession of up to two grams of hashish is an administrative infraction in Russia rather than a criminal charge. But will a foreigner be deported for such an administrative infraction? Who knows?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_Russia

I know Russia very little, and I'm quite willing to accept that it's a lot stricter there than in many countries. I've been a lot in Ukraine, however, where it's also quite strict, and even there people do smoke a lot of weed, at least a lot more than western tourists believe.

And there's quite a long way between rolling up in the street or smoking in a park, which I would feel comfortable doing pretty much anywhere in the EU, and smoking in a private apartment behind closed doors. The FSB is not going to be knocking on the door for that...

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Quote: There is plenty of booze in Russia.

Well yes, and I like a drink. Girls are much more likely to go into your bed after drinking than smoking. But if you've already banged them, smoking a joint with them will make them far more horny than drinking.
It's two different substances, for different settings and both have their drawbacks. I didn't think this would be remotely controversial here.
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Just came to my attention that I'll be in Kazan for Russia Day (June 12).

Anyone who's ever spent a Russia Day in Russia....is everything closed (main stores, places of public interest, etc), or is it more of a symbolic holiday that only government and federal offices are closed?

Very curious to see how Russians celebrate the day.
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(05-29-2018 02:15 PM)Банин Wrote:  I know Russia very little, and I'm quite willing to accept that it's a lot stricter there than in many countries. I've been a lot in Ukraine, however, where it's also quite strict, and even there people do smoke a lot of weed, at least a lot more than western tourists believe.

And there's quite a long way between rolling up in the street or smoking in a park, which I would feel comfortable doing pretty much anywhere in the EU, and smoking in a private apartment behind closed doors. The FSB is not going to be knocking on the door for that...

I've been to Ukraine a lot too, and have certainly not noticed that "people do smoke a lot of weed" there. I guess we don't keep the same kind of company.

Quoting you: "It's two different substances, for different settings and both have their drawbacks. I didn't think this would be remotely controversial here."

Well, I don't agree that there would be any acceptable "setting" for using drugs or smoking pot, for any serious and efficient red-pill man. Also, injecting or smoking drugs is a criminal offense in all countries but the most degenerate ones... Always amazes me how "Liberal" people seem to consider that everybody in the world finds it cute and acceptable to smoke pot. I don't and my friends don't, either.

The FSB is not going to be knocking on the door for that...: the FSB, sure they won't knock on your door, unless you are importing kilos of heroin from Afghanistan or some. But the regular police might.

I also wonder what your former forum username was. I mean, quoting you: "I lived in Kiev some 8-9 years ago with my dyev at the time", "Thuth's recipe"... dyevs in Kiev and Tuthmosis, and putting a blanket on a park to sip vodka with dyevs, are you really new to the forum?
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Isn't there a recurring theme of previously banned members based in Ukraine popping up on the forum with new usernames? Anyway, irrespective of Going strong's cynicism, I'm enjoying reading Banin's adventures in St. Petes. Reminds me of when I was there. My biggest issue was lack of Russian and limited time there.

Banin, how long are you planning on staying there? Do you think these girls are responding more positively to you since you're not just a tourist on a short stay?
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Yes, I agree with previous poster, some good stories of game in St. Pete and I'm enjoying reading the details. Btw, how are you scoring job gigs in St. Pete or are these just teaching gigs as the job market can be notoriously hard for foreigners to crack in Russia.
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If you want to read an interesting article about the devastating power of a Russian woman to get what she wants, this is it.

I just finished reading "Spy Secrets That Can Save Your Life," by former CIA agent Jason Hanson. He devotes an entire chapter to how criminals use social engineering to achieve their goals. This long article is worth reading just as a case study on how this Russian woman used her masterful social engineering skills to hoodwink the rich and and famous denizens of New York City. And she was only in her mid-20s.

https://www.thecut.com/2018/05/how-anna-...-york.html
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(05-29-2018 03:15 PM)Going strong Wrote:  I've been to Ukraine a lot too, and have certainly not noticed that "people do smoke a lot of weed" there. I guess we don't keep the same kind of company.

Well, clearly it's not Italy or France where youngsters will be rolling up on the streets after a certain time in the evening, and people do hide themselves a lot more, but I did see a fair amount of smoking in Kyiv, and without particularly looking for it. I was living in Obolon at the time, which of course isn't Podil, so this might be a class-based difference. A good telltale are the rolled up, large plastic bottles of bear or kvass, which they use as a pipe, if you inspect them you will probably find a small hole at the bottom.
And obviously, they grow (grew?) shitloads of it in Crimea and everytime I was there I would smell it everywhere on the beaches and on the promenades above the beaches. This was before Russia took over Crimea though, so I'm not sure how it is now (though I'd be willing to bet it still is the same).

(05-29-2018 03:15 PM)Going strong Wrote:  Quoting you: "It's two different substances, for different settings and both have their drawbacks. I didn't think this would be remotely controversial here."

Well, I don't agree that there would be any acceptable "setting" for using drugs or smoking pot, for any serious and efficient red-pill man. Also, injecting or smoking drugs is a criminal offense in all countries but the most degenerate ones... Always amazes me how "Liberal" people seem to consider that everybody in the world finds it cute and acceptable to smoke pot. I don't and my friends don't, either.

Well I'm sorry to rock your red pill world. Maybe I'm just still too blue pill to understand 'the truth' and don't have enough self-insight.
IMHO people should be free to take whatever the fuck they like and do what they want with their body. It doesn't mean that I feel the need to fry my brain or exhaust my body by taking strong drugs myself, but I'm not for locking up people who do. Which degenerate countries are you talking about? I don't think the netherlands or portugal are exactly shitholes or any more degenerate than the rest of western Europe. On the other hand, I can think of a handful of countries that are the strictest in the world when it comes to narcotics, and they're not the kind of countries I'd like to take as an example.

Anyways, this is a pointless debate unless we bring it back to the question of game. And even though I'm a neophyte here and I will show respect for my elders, I have to disagree with your analysis.

Of course, a couch-potato pothead isn't going to be an effective player and I'm not suggesting that would be possible. THC when active makes your reactions slower and destroys your social skills, particularly around people that haven't smoked, so approaching, flirting, escalating and closing the deal would all be difficult. And to a certain extent it has been shown that heavy cannabis intake can have some impairment for a few weeks at a time, so the biggest pothead example would not be able to pull even if he abstained from smoking one night.

But there's an entire scale of grey here, and sharing a J with a girl while you're shacked up and can literally start banging her whenever you feel like it without applying any game, isn't at all the same ball game as the sort of heavy smoking I just described.

As far as I'm concerned, I like a smoke from time to time. Particularly when there is a well-oiled kitten to destroy nearby. Call it recreational. Of course that can be criticised if you think any mind-altering substances are the devil, but then for consistency's sake I hope that you never touch a drop of alcohol, because that's exactly what it is, a mind-altering substance.

(05-29-2018 03:15 PM)Going strong Wrote:  The FSB is not going to be knocking on the door for that...: the FSB, sure they won't knock on your door, unless you are importing kilos of heroin from Afghanistan or some. But the regular police might.

Well the regular police would have to know what's going on. I was living on the last floor on one side of a building with the closest neighbours having their windows on the other side. There's always a tiny likelihood that some neighbours smell it, recognise what it is (which a lot of the older generation in FSU just might not do), and react so strongly about it that they would call the cops. For the police to then take the bother of coming to knock at your door is highly unlikely. Even if they do, you have plenty of time to flush it down the toilet when you see through the peephole who has come to knock.
In other words, I think you're being paranoid. But then again, I'll live with the risk.

Can't we agree to disagree on this and avoid being side-tracked?

(05-29-2018 03:15 PM)Going strong Wrote:  I also wonder what your former forum username was. I mean, quoting you: "I lived in Kiev some 8-9 years ago with my dyev at the time", "Thuth's recipe"... dyevs in Kiev and Tuthmosis, and putting a blanket on a park to sip vodka with dyevs, are you really new to the forum?

Wow. You know, in a way, I'm kind of flattered that you think that.

8-9 years ago I was about as blue pill as it gets. I had never heard of game, and I definitely did not have a clue about how to get laid. That Ukrainian chick was my first ever girlfriend, and only my second notch ever. Which I got because she took initiative one drunk evening, not me. And I was 22. Did the forum even exist back then?

You seem to attach a lot of importance to the fact that I'm using game jargon. I haven't made a secret of that I've been lurking here for some time. If you'd like a timeline, I'd say my personal journey started with reading some books like 5-6 years ago, and I discovered the forum possibly 2-3 years ago. I have learned an incredible amount just by reading other peoples' experiences, and, well, Tuthmosis' FDB recipe is a classic thread that I have tried to apply in my own newbie way over the last couple of years.

The jargon use, I think, can also be put on account of my trying to impress. I'm like the new kid on the block, surrounded by players with far more experience and probably a notch count that is 10 times longer than mine. So I'll admit I'm probably just trying to fit in.

And about sitting on a blanket in the park: is that a game thing? tbh I think that's probably just a normal social thing in most of Europe, at least swap out the vodka for a bottle of wine and you could be anywhere. If there's a technique along these lines, I haven't heard of it, but i'd be most interested. Do you have a link?

(05-29-2018 06:52 PM)crudeloyalist Wrote:  Isn't there a recurring theme of previously banned members based in Ukraine popping up on the forum with new usernames? Anyway, irrespective of Going strong's cynicism, I'm enjoying reading Banin's adventures in St. Petes. Reminds me of when I was there. My biggest issue was lack of Russian and limited time there.

"based in Ukraine" would be a bit of an overstatement for me, I lived there maybe 6 months at that point. And looking back at that time, had I been a forum member then, as going strong suggests, I would most definitely have dumped that 6 I was dating and started playing around instead of just looking around and feeling frustrated.

I can see how both lack of Russian and limited time could be considerable issues. As I mentioned, it seems like the theory that the hottest girls don't speak english pans out. That would filter out most targets, unless you're a hump with splendid nonverbal game that can go from approaching to taking them to the bedroom without chatting them up.
About limited time, see below.

(05-29-2018 06:52 PM)crudeloyalist Wrote:  Banin, how long are you planning on staying there? Do you think these girls are responding more positively to you since you're not just a tourist on a short stay?

I'm going to be living there a year from august. And I do definitely think it is a big factor for girls responding positively. I have been careful to drop this early in the conversation to make sure they look at me as a prospect and not just some sex tourist. Along with approaching them in Russian, it goes a long way to show them that I'm not just looking to bang them but could be BF material. Which of course is complete bullshit, but hey.

That being said, I think that method could be used even when it's not true. As in, pretend that you're moving there when you really aren't. Might be difficult to pull off without any Russian, but I think Slubu was doing some of that during his siberia trip.

(05-29-2018 09:19 PM)TripleG Wrote:  Yes, I agree with previous poster, some good stories of game in St. Pete and I'm enjoying reading the details. Btw, how are you scoring job gigs in St. Pete or are these just teaching gigs as the job market can be notoriously hard for foreigners to crack in Russia.

Thanks for the support, Crudeloyalist and TripleG.

I'm not entirely sure some jobs come out of the interviews. I'll be in my last year of law school, and since I'll be on a student visa I can also work on the side. I sent about 20 applications to law firms in Piter before my trip, and got 5 interviews, which to be honest surprised me, I didn't think so many would get back to me. Mostly they've been talking about using me to proofread english documents, at least at the beginning. As my Russian gets better I would hopefully be able to do some more legal stuff. I'll keep you posted if I actually get any job offer.
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Okay, this is my second attempt at writing up day 4, as I managed to close the page I was writing in yesterday. It's incidentally also the last day I was there.

Day 4:

After kicking out Asian girl, I grab a few more hours' sleep. I'm not in top-notch form because of all the vodka that night.

When I finally emerge, I start chatting with the 2 day-close girls that did answer the previous day. I don't ask them out the same evening to not come off as too needy, but I drop a couple of hints.

While waiting for replies, I get a message from one of my pipelined matches on VK. She's maybe a 7 from her pictures, looks a little bit too alternative but not having any better plans I agree to meet her for a walk around 4pm.

I get out of the house, take my camera, and head off to the centre to walk around. It being saturday, the crowd on Nevsky is completely different. It's full of tourists, not a single bangable girl in sight. I forget the idea of day gaming and just walk around the canals, taking some pictures. At some point I stop and have a nice cool beer, and my hangover stops giving me such a hard time after that.

I'm early out to the meeting point with the girl from VK (Gorkovskaya metro station), so I go and sit in the park at the back of the metro, still chatting up my 2 day-close girls.

While sitting on a bench, lo and behold, I realise there's a 9 sitting alone about 10 meters away. At least, she's a personal 9. She's so skinny her knees are wider than her thighs, which are showing about halfway up in a short blue summer dress, and her wrists are about about the size of my ring and little finger together. Her dark curls are waving slightly in the wind, and her big black eyes are looking dreamily off into the distance. She's maybe 21-22.

I get up, go the 10 meters across the pathway and sit beside her. I give her the dumbstruck romantic line, complimenting her as lavishly as my Russian will allow, and she laps it up, smiling a lot and looking me up and down. I even drop a "obviously you must have a boyfriend" before I ask her out, which gets her to shake her head frantically and denying: "У меня действительно нет!". While I get her to add me on vkontaktye with her phone, I drop the fact that I'm preparing to move to St Pete. I then say that I'm looking forward to meeting up with her, and then make an early exit before my Russian fails me, saying I am going to meet a friend.

I head back to the exit of the metro, and while waiting for my online date, I send her a short message saying it was nice to get to know her, which she replies to, and then I ask whether she has any plans later that day. No immediate response.

My date shows up, she's not as hot as in her pictures, maybe a 6.5, but she has a pleasant face and turns out to speak English, so I just go along with it. We cross the river and she leads the way, showing me some nice buildings. In that time we're just having some standard first-date chat, switching back and forth between Russian and English. Let's call her journalist girl, as that's what she does.

About an hour into our walk, we stop at a nice cafe overlooking the Isaac cathedral and have a glass of wine. I find I'm not motivated enough to escalate. She's lovely but just not hot enough after my encounter with park girl and my day-closes from Nevsky, and my phone keeps vibrating, hopefully with other prospects for that evening. I check the phone while she's going to the ladies', and there it comes: one of the nevsky 8's has time that evening, and park girl is free from 9pm. That seals the issue, and when journalist girl comes back I pull some excuse. We leave, I walk her to the metro, give her a peck on the cheek and send her on her way. She's a fun girl and good friend material, but I think my standards are already getting inflated by being in Russia.

I then have to go meet the owner of the nicest flat I visited to work out some details and negotiate on the price. On the way there I can't seem to decide, should I meet Nevsky 8 or the park girl? Park girl is hotter and gives me goosebumps, but I've had a couple of days of chatting to build up rapport with Nevsky 8, who also seems like more of a party girl, so the prospect of getting her a bit lubricated and banging her on my last night seems more likely. In the end I agree a meetup with park girl, and give a noncommittal answer to Nevsky 8, saying I'm busy at dinner time but that I can give her a shout afterwards. If things don't pan out with park girl, I can always try to fall back on that one.

After my meeting (sealed the deal on the pad, pretty sweet place and within my budget), I have just enough time to head back home, check that the place is in a presentable condition to receive a lady guest, freshen up, put on a blazer, and head out. On the way I even buy a couple of tulips, hell who knows, it costs next to nothing and it might play into my hapless romantic vibe.

We're supposed to meet at Ploschad Vosstanya station. Park girl is about 20 minutes late, but she did send a message about it, so I just enjoy a band playing music outside. I must admit, my heart missed a beat when she showed up. In a dark red dress, no less, coming just above the knees, with no cleavage but with her delicate shoulders bare and an open back, and a belt showing her off her tiny waist. Instant boner. I don't regret putting on a blazer, that girl must have spent a couple of hours on her appearance tonight.

We're off to a place that was recommended by the crazy group I met the second night, a wine bar. Data below. On the way there the street has a section in cobblestones, and teasing her for her heels and offering support works a charm. Part of the Russian feminine thing I suppose, they love to lean on a masculine figure. I'm not strong by any means, but next to a girl like this you don't need to either, anyone would look like king kong.

On the way to the venue we do some normal chit-chatting, which is going a bit more difficult than with the other girls. It quickly turns out that the girl is a smart pants, finished an art history degree and now taking a master's in philosophy. Even though she's totally white, she turns out to be from Kazakhstan, which is perfectly fine by me, I wouldn't say no to another flag.

I think the conversation is a bit more difficult because 1- by that point I'm stone sober again, even having some occasional hangover waves coming back, 2- we're in the street and the noise is distracting, and 3- she speaks a much more educated language than the other girls I've tried to chat up, and has less patience for my russian. You could also throw in 4- even though i'm trying to ignore it and just throw my best game at her, I can't deny that the girl makes me feel a little dizzy.

We get to the venue at a convenient point in the conversation before it can get awkward, and I can show off a little on my wine knowledge, having a chat at the bar with her and the bartender and finding two fun wines to order. The venue has a strange setup: coming in from half a flight of steps, it's like a small crowded room with standing people and tall tables. There's another flight of outdoors steps going up to a kind of narrow platform/bridge to the other side of an inner courtyard, and on the other side of the bridge is another room with normal tables and one more bar. We go up there and find a free table.

The conversation from there is quite frustrating. I have to resort to using google more often than I like, though I try to keep it to single words and making sentences myself. Mostly I get her to talk about herself and when she asks me questions I spit out some half-memorised things about my life. She's very curious about why I would move to Russia for an exchange, so I try to concentrate on my fascination for Russian culture, the ballet, and of course the law studies. That seems to pass her shit test.

After I'm finished with my first glass, she says to go ahead and order one more for her too though she's only halfway through hers. I'm more than happy to oblige, and have a little victory dance internally when she just downs the rest of her glass. Coming back with the new round, I jubilate even more when she asks me if I smoke, and takes out her pack of fags. People are smoking out on the bridge/platform thingy, and are standing like sardines there. Exactly what I need to escalate.

While we were sitting, I tried to give her some light kino and IOIs, brushing her hand with mine while taking my glass or putting a lock of her hair back her ear while looking deep into her eyes, but she keeps a pretty straight poker face. At one point I put my hand on her forearm but she withdraws it, and generally she is not giving me any clues.

We get up and go smoke on that bridge, and we're pretty much squeezed into each other in a corner. I drop the conversation and stroke her cheek while only half-pretending to be mesmerised by her face, and she draws her head back from the touch, saying something like "but I don't know you, this is going too fast". Nevertheless when taking my hand to get it away from her face, she squeezes it a little and holds on to it.

At this stage I have a bit of an internal dilemma. The hand squeezing is a clear IOI, and even though she verbally tries to de-escalate, she's clearly being influenced by the physical closeness and the wine, her eyes are shiny. I don't know if I should stick to Tuth's no-kissing rule, or if I should just go with the moment.

I go for the kiss, partly let's face it because I'm dying to. This may have been my first significant mistake of the evening, and I'd really like to ask you guys what you think.

She does not resist and goes full-throated french kissing on me, within a few seconds she has her hands behind my neck and I'm pressing her tiny weight towards me. She must feel that throbbing boner through her thin dress. Probably one of the most intense first kisses I've ever had, and when she pulls back maybe 30 seconds later, I'm quite dizzy. Can't help but notice the closest smokers around us looking at us with more than just a little envy.

We go back inside, where the body language and dynamics have changed completely. We're now sitting beside each other, and she's the one giving me IoIs and kino, while I'm just trying to keep my head cool. The conversation also turns more personal, talking about relationships and such, it turns out she's been single for a couple of years because she, and I quote, doesn't have time for boys. My Russian by this point is again a bit lubricated by the alcohol, and she seems to losen up also, not getting hung up in my mistakes and even playfully correcting me sometimes. We go out for one more smoke where more kissing happens. That girl is definitely not a novice kisser, whatever she might be pretending. I try to venue bounce, but she says she likes it here and asks me to order a new round.

This is probably mistake number 2. I go and get the round, making sure to settle my tap at the same time, and by the time I've come back her mood has turned again, or at least that's what I thought. She seems a bit off, and is staring into nothing. I thought it might just be the pensive philosopher thing that she had in the park earlier that day, but no, it turns out she's nauseous and excuses herself to the loo. I'm a bit worried so I offer to go and wait outside the loo if she feels bad, but she declines. I should have figured out that the alcohol was just too quick for her. She's probably like 40 kilos if that, so a couple of glasses of wine would be the same as an entire bottle for me.

When she comes back a few minutes later, she is feeling a little better but still pretty pale in the face. I offer to order some food, which I think might help her, but she declines and says she wants some fresh air. That works for me, so we head out and find our way to fontanka, one of the nice canals in the centre. She livens up a little bit with the fresh air and water, and there's some pretty intense kissing while leaning on the railings. Such a romantic place, I could nearly get carried away if I weren't such a cynical heartbreaker.

I suggest a new venue, but she obviously doesn't want to drink more. We just stroll around, kissing regularly, and I'm unsure what to do. Bouncing to my place is not going to work, at least not yet, I can feel it. We're already making out with loads of stroking in the street, so the make-out plausible deniability is gone, and she doesn't let me touch any erogenous zones. Privacy is not the issue as there isn't anyone around.

Then I look at my watch and realise it's past 1am. The bridges are going up in less than half an hour. I try to bait her with food at my place, saying I can put her in a cab home when they let down the bridges after a couple of hours, but she's not having any of it. She keeps repeating "this is moving too fast" and her hamster is clearly in overdrive. I'm quite at a loss what to do to get her to calm down, so I suggest grabbing a bite in the centre, which she reluctantly agrees to. We walk around but can't find anything open, we're on the wrong side of town. After fifteen minutes or so, she says something like: well you have to reach the bridges in a few minutes and I'm still feeling strange, so I think I'll go home."

I assure her that I'm more than happy to just hang out until the bridges come down again, and that seems to stall her a little bit. Not drinking, not eating and just walking around only works so long however, so when we've been at it for about an hour, still with regular kissing, she keeps taking up wanting to go home. I've been trying to escalate the kissing to get her at least a little horny, and she seems to like the attention, giggling as she takes my hands away, but she's not letting me through. We get to a bar and I try to make it into a new date, saying she can drink something non-alcoholic, but she refuses point blank and just announces that she's calling a cab.

At this point, a better player than me may have found a way to turn things around, but I must admit I didn't really know how to proceed. I couldn't keep insisting that she comes to mine without sounding like a perv, I had already tried to give her as much plausible deniability as could be managed in the circumstances, she had just refused one more drink out in town, and the walking around had already lasted for an hour.

She spends the 10 minutes waiting for the cab snuggled in my arms, making me promise to talk to her during the summer and to meet up with her in august, something I have no trouble agreeing to.

After a last look through the cab window (which I think should be described as wistful), I just accept defeat and head into the bar we were outside of. It's pretty dead there, but I'm not in the mood to hunt at around 2am anyways, so I get a double whisky and sit outside while I wait half an hour for the bridges to go down, then get a cab home.

I left the next morning by train to Helsinki. Thankfully the plan was to meet up with an old polish flame there and I stayed two days before going home, so I got to empty those frustrated balls.

I think my main mistakes that evening were to get her too drunk too quickly, and going for the kiss at the venue. Even with her being a bit too drunk, without the kissing she might have bounced to my place with the right bait (food, just waiting to feel better or something), though I guess I'll never know. Any of you guys have other comments? What could I have done differently?

Edit: data! The wine place is called "Do immigration" on Vosstanya Ulitsa 24. Where google points you, you have to go into an internal courtyard, and continue through a second courtyard before getting to the place. There are some other venues there also, but the wine bar is the one going up some metal stairs on the left. Good date venue, young crowd, good quality. Hear maybe a little too much english being spoken.

The bar I ended up taking a whisky at the end of the night: Produkty on Fontanka 17. Tiny place, pretty cool vibe but maybe a little too alternative but it was hard to tell since there were so few people.
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Hey @Gopnik, I just found out about your datasheet from 2017. Brilliant stuff. Are you ever back in town now?

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(07-12-2017 07:03 AM)Gopnik Wrote:  When suggesting she comes over to your place, I think it might help to word it like this “Давай пойдём ко мне в гости” or “Ты хочешь пойти ко мне в гости?” Russians are very hospitable people and it’s even a bit rude to decline this sort of invitation. I think by phrasing it this way, it doesn’t quite seem like you’re just trying to bounce her back for sex.

Brilliant. Just magic, using the hospitality to make the bounce go smoothly. I couldn't have done this anyways on this trip since I was staying in Petrogradsky and it was too far from the venues, but I'm definitely going to try that one.
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These are the kinds of trip reports that made this forum great and which we don't see enough of these days. Keep up the good work.
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@Banin, +1 from me for the detailed trip report.
One of the problems you made is by escalating too fast and going for a French kiss so quickly. This is not the west. It is perfectly normal in Russia to "wine and dine" a girl you met, especially one in a normal day-game atmosphere for a few date's. Pushing for ONS stand and insisting on taking her back to your place seemed a little desperate. Since you have the good fortune of coming back there in August, keep her on the "slow burner" and in a couple months you'll have her in the sack.
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