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Saint Petersburg, Russia (Piter) meetup 6/19 to 9/19
Hi guys, I just got to Saint Petersburg.

If any of you are here and would like to meet up, I would love to explore the city as well as day game the metro, university, and street by Nevsky. I'll be here for 4 months ( June to September)

I've created a meetup link so you can respond there so we don't spam this thread, or just PM me with your whatsapp

and thanks for all the amazing info you guys have posted , it really helped me prepare for my trip and feel more comfortable.

MEETUP:
Saint Petersburg meetup 6/19 to 9/19
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73467.html
06-14-2019 03:42 AM
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From reading the thread, it would appear that being there for the maximum time possible is essential as to get to know the girls, there is a general pattern of the 3 date rule which, understandably, takes time.

I was planning on going over to Moscow in December or January for 2 weeks, would you all suggest that I hold off and see if I can rollover my holiday allowance to make it three weeks-1 month in June, July, August or September?

I've read through the Massive Moscow Datasheet, I'd being looking to stay within the Tverskoy District and I've created a list of places I want to check out while I'm there, is there anything I should do between now and when I visit?

I'm going to be working on my Russian, get it up to B1 or better if possible and I'll be practicing my game which is upper beginner / lower intermediate as it's become rusty after being in a long relationship, anything else worth looking into?
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Is it hard to get Russian visa?
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I posted this on another thread but am re-posting here as i realized it's far more relevant to this one:
This is just an FYI- so you guys don't waste as much time pipelining as I did:

I got to saint petersburg 1 week ago with about 30 online/app leads (tinder, mamba, badoo, cupid, etc) leads.. and once i got here the girls basically all went cold. The drinking/bar scam that everyone talks about didn't pop up once...it seems to have evolved a bit , see below

The main scam i am getting is that the girls pretend to know english and then when you get here, their "spoken" english doesn't exist..you clearly ask them do you speak english, you do voicemails or videomails, they act like they understand easily.. and they even say hey, do you want to do a video call, when you agree and try to do it, they just go cold..they are just trying to convince you that they speak english when they don't for some reason.... they only have written english, and then they ask you for a loan or basically are looking for some type of benefit..not sure what it is, they are just opportunistic. At some point in the conversation, after maybe a week after talking to them you get some message like "can you help me?"

Some other girls will want to "party" with you, basically there are some girls who are sort of golddiggers and see you want to spend money on them, and they will want to come out with friends. If you just want to meet for a drink or dinner they will have no interest. But they will be very relationship oriented and loving until they suddenly call you at let's say 11pm and say hey are you going out, i'm calling you to go out with you...these aren't the type of girls who want to just hook-up , they are talking about having a serious relationship and boyfriends, so it's easy to tell something isn't congruent with their pitch. I barely drink or go out at night, so I wasn't willing to try to hook up and and the lack of consistency with their attitude came across as too big of a red flag. i called 2 of them out on that, 1 just went cold after acting in love with me... the other said honestly i'm with a friend and we want to have a good time (in other words, if you want to see me you'll have to pay for drinks for me and my friend ) and that 2nd girl kept saying where are you and all that even after i went cold.

Another big problem on Tinder, a lot of these girls who say they are in St. Petersburg are not here, they are in Kazakhstan or somethiing, they were here at some point, maybe studied here, they are consistently posting pictures in St. Petersburg but they are old pictures, they are on a cycle, you can tell because if you know them more than 30 days ( i had to delay my flight by 2 weeks so happened to see this) you see the pictures deleted and re-posted and they are the same types of pics, visiting the Hermitage or something to clearly show they are in a Russian city, and it's doubtful they are doing these touristy-things the very week you are visiting, if they lived here their entire life. They may never ask you for money, the majority don't, they just string you along, and talk with you... and when they realize they can't get anything they go cold. I asked on the forum here, about these girls who "travel' a lot and the response here was that they are normal girls, russian girls love to travel. I would agree with that, but I don't think that's true, these girls are traveling to expensive places and alone. I'd say 35% of my leads are suddenly in Paris or Sochi, or somewhere else when I landed, or simply don't live here, they never told me until I said i'm here and let's meet up. and it's odd b/c some of these girls don't have money, they didn't ask me for money but clearly come across as living a college-kid lifestyle, suddenly they are at the beach in Sochi for 1 month.. makes no sense. guessing they are weekend traveling escorts, i haven't figured that out yet, a lot of these girls aren't that hot, maybe 7 or 7.5's, so i don' think they are escorts... who knows.

Out of 30 leads (tinder, badoo, mamba, cupid) all of which had written english and claimed to have spoken english (i had already next'd anyone who didn't at least agree to have spoken english), and with whom we had days if not weeks of whatsapp conversations 1 girl actually met up and had spoken english enough to carry a normal conversation so I'm very surprised and at least half are involved in some sort of scam or just opportunistic. 1 other who claimed to have spoken english over and over, when she showed up had to use translator for even simple things like "nice to meet you".

One clear red flag i've noticed and I should have picked up, when you are leaving voice mails or video mails, they never respond with a voice/video mail as well. They always respond with text. That text shows that they understand your english but I asked them to leave a voicemail for me, or do a video call, they will say they are busy, we'll do it later, and it never gets done. It made me wonder why but i figured they were busy... They will literally want to meet up, and even start suggesting times... the interest goes on until about the day or day before you want to meet up.

Another intersting thing, might be a red flag, i usually ask a girl to follow me on instagram and i follow her. I use an app to track unfollows. Almost every girl unfollows you about a week after you start talking with her. It seems odd, these aren't girls who are in dire straits of followers, nor are they instagram addicts, they are posting fairly normal pictures, albeit some doing ballet and things clearly showing off their sexy bodies... but why take the time to unfolllow someone when you already have a few thousand followers and can easily get more? I've never had anyone in any Western countries do that to me including Colombia or Brazil.

the last thing that was covered here, on Tinder or other places, if you ask a girl what she is looking for, the majority don't say a relationship or dating or anything like that, they are looking for "good communication" , basically english language partners. It's not a scam, but when i ask them, so they aren't interested in dating or anything intimate with someone special or an experience, boyfriend, etc. they say no. Now it might be that once you meet them they will be interested in you sexually, but i've dated Russian girls in L.A. and Miami, they all clearly say they'd like a relationship, they're very direct, so it seems odd that Russian girls here would beat around the bush.

One last item, i chatted with some girls who showed interest, they said they only had like 1 relationship , not much sexual experience, and then i found out they were married. Again these girls didn't ask me for money, so i have no idea what they want. As soon as i tried to push for a video call (as well as meeting up here in the city) they just went cold. this happened with 2 girls, they were 19 and 20 respectively, so seems odd they are married.

The sheer lack of English understanding is mindblowing.. not even hello or thank you..or simple words. It's back to the drawing board i guess, even in Colombia most girls don't go cold when you show up...so crazy stuff. Will try day game and maybe some universities and report back with any updates on these psuedo-scammer girls.

Obviously it's been 1 week for me and it's my 1st time here, total newbie, so take this negativity with a huge grain of salt...just reporting the oddities from the front lines. Quality of looks here is excellent, imho it leaves Medellin in the dust, b/c a large % of girls have 1) gorgeous faces and green eyes (teal, or aqua, etc.) and 2) are doing ballet or yoga or working out, they are in great shape, flat stomachs, none of that latina fat.
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2 more observations i forgot

1) if you speak Russian this would be a freaking gold mine, street traffic on Nevsky and Rubinstein and the malls with girls walking by themselves is crazy, more girls than guys walking around and a lot of young girls like 18 to 24

2) it's abnormally cheap here. and in weird ways, this is almost cheaper than Medellin... prices of some things must be subsidized , b/c for example, a Nespresso coffee maker that is $130 in the U.S. and which was $100 in Brazil is suddenly $65 here, this is the exact same model. Also a HP combo printer (color, fax, scan...) was $45.... that same printer is about $100 in the U.S. and most meal plates, on Rubinstein, which is not cheap, are like 450 rubels (about $8) and mind you these are restaurants. and also, there are no added taxes or tips, they are all included! In fact there is no place to even add a tip if you wanted when they charge your card. they say this is because they were expecting more tourists but due to problems with the European economy it has been a bust in tourism for years now, they said they were surprised the world cup (fifa 2018) generated far less tourism then they thought. Rent is not super cheap here, it's a big city, so think along the lines of Miami. and fyi-i joined one of the nicest gyms, swiming pool, 2 floors, huge, turkish sauna, etc. it was 5000 rubels for 3 months. that's about $70....Bodytech in colombia or body shop in the dominican republic are pushing $100 per month... I even went to a nice restaurant/club , Del Mar, on Nevsky,...classy date place, great music....my date with wine, food for 2 people, $25... I don't get how prices can be that cheap...and i've never seen a place where an electronic good like a printer or coffee maker is literally 30% less than it would cost on amazon.com,, oh and MTC cell service with unlimited internet is about $10 per month!! that's about half of mexico , 1/3rd of brazil!

3) i thought the girls would dress better, old white sneakers , short white stocks showing off bad anlkes, light white jeans, somewhat baggy, tucked in white t-shirt... i love the 80's but there's not much diversity here, feels like i'm on a set of a Debbie Gibson video
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(06-17-2019 03:09 AM)fvitterbi Wrote:  I'd say 35% of my leads are suddenly in Paris or Sochi, or somewhere else when I landed, or simply don't live here, they never told me until I said i'm here and let's meet up. and it's odd b/c some of these girls don't have money, they didn't ask me for money but clearly come across as living a college-kid lifestyle, suddenly they are at the beach in Sochi for 1 month.. makes no sense. guessing they are weekend traveling escorts, i haven't figured that out yet, a lot of these girls aren't that hot, maybe 7 or 7.5's, so i don' think they are escorts... who knows.

Those Sochi-for-a-month situations are maybe sponsored girls, not escorts. Sponsors and mistresses is more of a thing in Eastern Europe.

Online game is going to be an uphill battle.

By targeting only English speakers, you cut maybe 3/4 of girls out of the field.

Guys setting their profile to a distant city saying they're coming are often the biggest bullshitters. A further % of girls will nope out on you when you tell them you're not in the city yet.

There's a lot of noise and spamming in online game. Which makes it hard to hold the attention of the nicer looking ones who you did connect with.
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(06-17-2019 04:25 AM)fvitterbi Wrote:  2) it's abnormally cheap here. and in weird ways, this is almost cheaper than Medellin... prices of some things must be subsidized , b/c for example, a Nespresso coffee maker that is $130 in the U.S. and which was $100 in Brazil is suddenly $65 here, this is the exact same model. Also a HP combo printer (color, fax, scan...) was $45.... that same printer is about $100 in the U.S. and most meal plates, on Rubinstein, which is not cheap, are like 450 rubels (about $8) and mind you these are restaurants. and also, there are no added taxes or tips, they are all included! In fact there is no place to even add a tip if you wanted when they charge your card. they say this is because they were expecting more tourists but due to problems with the European economy it has been a bust in tourism for years now, they said they were surprised the world cup (fifa 2018) generated far less tourism then they thought. Rent is not super cheap here, it's a big city, so think along the lines of Miami. and fyi-i joined one of the nicest gyms, swiming pool, 2 floors, huge, turkish sauna, etc. it was 5000 rubels for 3 months. that's about $70....Bodytech in colombia or body shop in the dominican republic are pushing $100 per month... I even went to a nice restaurant/club , Del Mar, on Nevsky,...classy date place, great music....my date with wine, food for 2 people, $25... I don't get how prices can be that cheap...and i've never seen a place where an electronic good like a printer or coffee maker is literally 30% less than it would cost on amazon.com,, oh and MTC cell service with unlimited internet is about $10 per month!! that's about half of mexico , 1/3rd of brazil!

I went out a lot of Petersburg. I don't think it's cheap there. I went to Rubinstein and went into every single bar there while I was there. If I remember correctly, beers were $5, which is not very cheap but yes, sim card was cheap. I don't know about printers lol
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I am russian and have been living in Spb all my live.I don't consider it's cheap here.
In comparison with Budapest for instance the booze here is more expensive.
And what I see every weekend is that lots of local girls speaking fluent eng are with foreigners.
You just have to attend nightlife and try night game. But you say you don't like it and hardly
ever drink...so...it's up to you. Anyway nightlife here goes only friday and saturday, so all other days
of the week you can daygame or whatever.
My advice is meet some rus friend you could game together with and who speaks eng
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well, compared with the U.S. I live in some expensive U.S. cities, los angeles and miami, but what i've seen more is the prices in south america, colombia and the dominican republic nearly double over the past few years...and become similar to 2nd tier U.S. cities... so i was blown away when i got here and noticed that there hasn't been the rampant inflation that there has been in the western world.

regarding nightlife, i would love that, i don't drink much, but i'm not opposed to going out. I went out to a place called Del mar with a girl the other day and the music was awesome. and there were some girls in 2-sets.... i just don't like when the music is so loud that it's tough to talk to people and girls have their guard up, that's why i prefer day game. Im living on Rubinstein so center of it all... what nightlife places do you reccommend to meet girls who might be interested in foreigners? or other places?
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(06-18-2019 04:45 AM)fvitterbi Wrote:  well, compared with the U.S. I live in some expensive U.S. cities, los angeles and miami, but what i've seen more is the prices in south america, colombia and the dominican republic nearly double over the past few years...and become similar to 2nd tier U.S. cities... so i was blown away when i got here and noticed that there hasn't been the rampant inflation that there has been in the western world.

regarding nightlife, i would love that, i don't drink much, but i'm not opposed to going out. I went out to a place called Del mar with a girl the other day and the music was awesome. and there were some girls in 2-sets.... i just don't like when the music is so loud that it's tough to talk to people and girls have their guard up, that's why i prefer day game. Im living on Rubinstein so center of it all... what nightlife places do you reccommend to meet girls who might be interested in foreigners? or other places?

Crazy Wine or Orthodox. Both are on Rubenstein and usually have pretty good crowds most days of the week.
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Well you may try places in Belinskogo str. "Pinch" is always full of girls. They sit and drink
wine (I know you have such kind of places in Rubinstein but maybe this one will suit you more)
And then of course "The Hat". This is small bar with live Jazz or blues and almost always
overcrowded on weekends. But its really very easy to meet there some girls that can speak eng.
Thats why foreigners like this bar as far as I can see. You will have to pay deposit 300 rub -
the price of one beer or wine (Belinskogo 9)
Not far from there (3 min walking) there is Golitsin Loft. It is a bunch of bars all in one yard.
Address: Набережная реки Фонтанки, д. 20 (Fontanka 20). Lots of young girls. You can meet them
not even entering some bar but just standing in the yard.
Don't go anywhere there too early. 22:00-24:00 and later is ok
And don't forget that on 23.06 we have "Red Sales". This is school grads' celebration. Be ready to
find tones of people in the streets of the city center....gorgeous show on the river...I prefer to watch all that on TV though. Too many people...
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Not "Red Sales"!
"Red Sails" is correct. Sorry for my english.
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(06-17-2019 04:25 AM)fvitterbi Wrote:  3) i thought the girls would dress better, old white sneakers , short white stocks showing off bad anlkes, light white jeans, somewhat baggy, tucked in white t-shirt... i love the 80's but there's not much diversity here, feels like i'm on a set of a Debbie Gibson video

Some years ago they dressed much better but the hippie culture is coming, slowly, but inevitable,
and they used to be more feminine like putting make up even to go buy bread at the Produkti around the corner (it's also because the movie "Moscow doesn't believe in Tears", where the main character suddenly meets her dream man in the eletrichka).
At least the old and good tradition of cleaning the dishes and make the bed (even after a ONS from the club) still remains - well, at least if she liked the bang it's guaranteed she will do these 2 things.
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One of the issues is that when a country develops , it becomes prone to modern propaganda.
When a country doesn't develop , it stays immune to it. But all the other issues we have to deal with become stronger (corruption , nepotism etc)

We basically have the choice between dying from cancer or surviving with cancer.

I chose to survive with cancer. I am pro-life.
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One of the greatest things in Russia is that it is still not totally submitted to the english language dictatorship
It 's sad to witness the fall of a big giant . For tourists in big cities , I find it great if they are told off when they speak English.
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(06-30-2019 06:22 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  One of the greatest things in Russia is that it is still not totally submitted to the english language dictatorship
It 's sad to witness the fall of a big giant . For tourists in big cities , I find it great if they are told off when they speak English.
This intrigues me, I'm learning Russian and I hope to be proficient enough to get around and hold a conversation by next summer, probably not an in-depth one but a conversation nonetheless.

Are there many English speakers or is it really low and would be hard outside of the main tourist attractions?
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I find Russians to be more friendly than Ukrainians, and definitely more open
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I find Ukrainians very cunning and sly, especially the girls.
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(06-30-2019 11:03 AM)BangBoy123 Wrote:  I find Russians to be more friendly than Ukrainians, and definitely more open

I can confirm this . I found russian people much more open minded ; even off the beaten path.
I think it may have to do with them being a multicultural empire .
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(06-30-2019 08:13 AM)Salame Wrote:  This intrigues me, I'm learning Russian and I hope to be proficient enough to get around and hold a conversation by next summer, probably not an in-depth one but a conversation nonetheless.

Are there many English speakers or is it really low and would be hard outside of the main tourist attractions?

I arrived in St.P yesterday and staying in the middle of Nevski Prospect. My first impression, based on shopping stores and some coffee shops, is it's low to medium. I'm talking about the younger people (up to around 30), haven't had any contact with older ones.
Every person I asked if they speak English at least said "a little". But I haven't done any daygame yet, I'll let you know how that worked out.
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I really want a Russian wife...but I don't know how to start

35
tall
look young.

Not ugly, not good looking.

At my age in Australia there is no one less who is single who isn't
1. Really fat
2. Single because there batshit insane (crazy women)

I really want to heard to Europe and find a wife since I am last in my family line, but I have issues picking which countries? I've been reasonably successful with Asian girls but I know that's a different keetle of fish.

Not interesting in 'flags' 'games' or any of that false shit people use to prove there a man whilst not proving their a man by failing to raise a family, just interested in a wife.
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(07-13-2019 11:57 AM)InvisibleMe Wrote:  I really want a Russian wife...but I don't know how to start

(07-13-2019 11:57 AM)InvisibleMe Wrote:  but I have issues picking which countries?


I heard on the grapevine that Russia has a lot of Russians living there.
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Thank you, your knowledge and expertise have been amazing in this situation. I guess I am referring to white wife
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(07-13-2019 01:51 PM)InvisibleMe Wrote:  Thank you, your knowledge and expertise have been amazing in this situation. I guess I am referring to white wife

Sorry, the White Russians were defeated in 1923. They took their women to Paris and elsewhere.


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(07-13-2019 11:57 AM)InvisibleMe Wrote:  Not interesting in 'flags' 'games' or any of that false shit people use to prove there a man whilst not proving their a man by failing to raise a family, just interested in a wife.

I also dont care about flags too. But I now that many guys on this forum see such stuff as something funny or adventurous to talk about. I respect their opinion. I dont think it's a false shit/game.
Besides, many of us did NOT fail to raise a family, we just did not want it. Two different things.
This is not a forum specific for marriage. And again, many (if not most) of us do not want a wife for now, I am for example perfectly fine with my GFs, FWBs and sidepieces - they are formidable.
I saw good posters getting banned from this forum for much less rudeness than yours bro.
(This post was last modified: 07-14-2019 05:11 AM by AkiKinnunen.)
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