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Gotta work on date spacing more

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09-04-2019 10:08 AM
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@WanderingFlame:

„Almost every westerner in Moscow is by default quite well off.“

It is all correct from my point of view, I just want to add a very important point:

The very attractive model-like girls won’t be attracted that you work on yourself, you understand the culture, you’re masculine, etc.
They are simply attracted when you behave like a Dubai millionaire or a rich kid from London.
They will all love you when you’re like a rich Russian in Moscow driving them around in a G-class.
It’s not enough that you are quite well off, you need some good money, I would say 1 million Rubel per month is a good start.

People shouldn’t waste time on those girls thinking they can impress them with their big future plans and provider abilities. These girls need your money now, the faster the better.

When you sort out all those Irina Shayks, most guys here in this thread dream of finding in Russia and you focus on the other ones, then yes, it’s important to show masculinity, understand the culture, speak Russian, be romantic, etc. to have success with those girls.
09-04-2019 12:15 PM
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(09-04-2019 12:15 PM)Julius.von.Liechtenstein Wrote:  @WanderingFlame:
The very attractive model-like girls won’t be attracted that you work on yourself, you understand the culture, you’re masculine, etc.
They are simply attracted when you behave like a Dubai millionaire or a rich kid from London.
They will all love you when you’re like a rich Russian in Moscow driving them around in a G-class.
It’s not enough that you are quite well off, you need some good money, I would say 1 million Rubel per month is a good start.

Whilst this may often be the case, I do not agree that all model-like girls are like this, as if women are computer programs that operate by exactly the same logic.

You provide good info and I don't want to sound pedantic, but it's important for people to understand the truth. I know us men like to form sets of logical rules to understand how things work, but it is important to not view things entirely in black and white.

Source: have dated model-like girls. And I am talking genuine models. Placing in regional beauty contests, regular paid work, and so on. These girls have private Instagrams and use it to get work from companies rather than from dudes in Dubai.

The irony is that I do earn over the amount you have stated, but I don't make it obvious. The thought of driving anything around Moscow frankly terrifies me haha. These girls are more humble and just want a relationship. Sometimes they are from relatively well-off families themselves / have extremely high powered jobs. Yeah a certain amount of wealth is also beneficial towards this, but some are smart enough to understand that there is diminishing returns on the happiness that income brings.

It wasn't until I breached the culture/language barrier that I began to see this for myself. Before that, I was just a strange foreigner who could disappear at any point.
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Students are back in town. Just keep them out past 1am. No last train home. Live nearby. Be a gentleman. Be a hero.
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09-05-2019 02:30 PM
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RE: The Russia Thread
Spent 4 weeks in Moscow this summer. What I found out (vs Minsk) is that woman are tougher to crack, in Moscow you need to be very direct. You do not get a second chance and any kind of "dancing around" is frowned upon. If you like her, walk up and tell this directly, comment on her not being married (no ring) etc. in short: shoot straight to crack her armor. If it works, find out what she likes (which flowers / sweets etc.) and make damn sure you bring those to second date! This is considered to be cheesy where I come from but in Moscow this works more often then not!

Many Moscow girls dislike visitors to the country and will not talk to you unless they feel that there is a chance to meet you more often. So, your chances are actually highest if you have 2+ weeks of stay ahead of you.

For online game, tinder is the only real option. Mamba is full of prostitutes, Badoo is somehow weird, tinder is burning! Get yourself tinder gold, booster pack, hide your age if you are over 40 and enjoy. One boost brings 15-25 likes. Do note though that out of those about 50% will unmatch you when they realize you are not from Moscow (even if you write this on your profile, they do not read text), another 25% will bail when you will offer to meet but the remaining 25% are more then enough.
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What was your (honest) quality like from tinder?
What do you look like? Age?

You seriously brought girls flowers and chocolate on a second date??
In New York that’d set off stalker alerts unless you somehow pull of Clark Kent old fashioned 6'4” gentleman game.

Do you speak any Russian?
When did you do your boosts?
I try to do mine on Sunday afternoon.

Were you here in July?
I heard it was insanely cold.
I could see my breath in early August.
I wonder if tinder gets better in winter?

How many first dates did you go on?
How many subsequent dates to get them alone at your place?

What were your typical date venues?
I found “let’s get a drink” resulted in frame grabs for a full dinner date on date one” (sight unseen dinner commitment wtf?).
Much better to go for a walk. No frame grabs.

I’m assuming from what you wrote you lied that you lived here. Stacked dates close to hit the magic number. Then ghosted?
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(09-05-2019 03:57 PM)BuckFutter Wrote:  ...

My target age is ~27-33, I have hard time to grade women, someone's "7" might my "9" and vice versa. But generally, out of that single boost there where 1-3 matches with true stunners. Of course, chances where that you'd lose them all.

I never lied about my whereabouts, I spoke and wrote directly on my Tinder profile that I am visitor. I find that being completely open with girls is the best way to go, less headache and chances to mix things up. Never lied about my age, social status, private situation when asked either. Even with full truth, I am still better then 90% of dudes on the Moscow male market.

I boost when people have time to swipe! On weekdays during lunch or after dinner. At weekends in early afternoon.

In place I live bringing flowers and chocs to the date is also creepy! But trust me, it is quite normal in Moscow. I got pictures sent to me of flowers in homes and sweets on the tables. I also saw a funny scene where some English-speaking dudes tried to hit on girls outside of the bar and girls would discuss between themselves (in Russian since dudes did not understand) how long it would take the "dumbasses" to “at last comprehend that they should get them flowers”.

I am always weary about throwing around numbers of dates and strikes, let me just say that I got all I was looking for, which is not necessarily one girl after another: I like to play and to understand their souls a bit before things get very personal and I will dump those who have ugly souls even if their bodies are top notch, I am not excited about such combinations. If I want a "body to f*ck" then I'd just call a escort, this is way cheaper if you consider time and money spent on "real strike".

As of format for the meet: First one is usually light drink / walk, second is dinner but most girls eat / drink very modestly, my own part of the tab was always higher than theirs. I heard some warnings from locals that there are chicks that pull dudes from tinder to a deluxe dinner and then disappear, but it never happened to me.

p.s. It was very cold indeed, I managed to catch that icy beginning of August ((
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Hicham do you not know the rules?
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Okay blokes, Im traveling to Russia in May, im thinking 1 week in Moscow, 1 week in St Petersburg, and then I'm gonna fly out to Poland for a week in either Krakow or Wroclaw.

I'm currently sorting out my VISA (getting a Russian visa as an Aussie is a nightmare of red tape btw..) and flights so i figured id talk to you guys first before i set anything in stone..

I'm not visiting Russia to sex tourist but to actually see the culture and history. That being said, I'm not on this forum for no reason.

So far from what I've gathered from the Russian girls I've met in other countries, some of which I'm still in contact with and are back home:
- A sizeable portion under 30 speak English if they are from Moscow or St P.
- I do need to at least be able to recognize Cyrillic to get around safely
- Use Uber
- Not knowing how to speak Russian will make some interactions tricky, but if she can speak english and she knows youre from Aus she will be more than happy to coz 'wtf is an Aussie doing here' (i got a lot of this Poland)
- Knowing something about Russia, Russian culture and having respect for Russian culture is a big turn on (i got a bj from an 8 who was visiting Bali after spending a few hours over bintangs flexing my knowledge on Russian history and practicing Russian with her)

Is any of this legit from youre experience? or did i get smoke blown up my arse?

What i would like to know:
Where should i stay in either city for safety and easy access to sights?
Is Tinder popular?
What should I expect from the locals?
At a tourist level, how much Russian should I be comfortable with speaking? (I know about 4 hours of duolingo lessons but im going to get more practice in with a Ukrainian friend)
How long should i really be staying in Moscow and St P? i cant spend too long - annual leave is limited and i have a friend in Poland im meeting -


Ill take any other tips you guys have as well for a first timer in Russia
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(09-06-2019 06:30 AM)Blazadin Wrote:  Okay blokes, Im traveling to Russia in May, im thinking 1 week in Moscow, 1 week in St Petersburg, and then I'm gonna fly out to Poland for a week in either Krakow or Wroclaw.

I'm currently sorting out my VISA (getting a Russian visa as an Aussie is a nightmare of red tape btw..) and flights so i figured id talk to you guys first before i set anything in stone..

I'm not visiting Russia to sex tourist but to actually see the culture and history. That being said, I'm not on this forum for no reason.

So far from what I've gathered from the Russian girls I've met in other countries, some of which I'm still in contact with and are back home:
- A sizeable portion under 30 speak English if they are from Moscow or St P.
- I do need to at least be able to recognize Cyrillic to get around safely
- Use Uber
- Not knowing how to speak Russian will make some interactions tricky, but if she can speak english and she knows youre from Aus she will be more than happy to coz 'wtf is an Aussie doing here' (i got a lot of this Poland)
- Knowing something about Russia, Russian culture and having respect for Russian culture is a big turn on (i got a bj from an 8 who was visiting Bali after spending a few hours over bintangs flexing my knowledge on Russian history and practicing Russian with her)

Is any of this legit from youre experience? or did i get smoke blown up my arse?

What i would like to know:
Where should i stay in either city for safety and easy access to sights?
Is Tinder popular?
What should I expect from the locals?
At a tourist level, how much Russian should I be comfortable with speaking? (I know about 4 hours of duolingo lessons but im going to get more practice in with a Ukrainian friend)
How long should i really be staying in Moscow and St P? i cant spend too long - annual leave is limited and i have a friend in Poland im meeting -


Ill take any other tips you guys have as well for a first timer in Russia

The above is more-or-less correct. Download Yandex Taxi instead of Uber. English speakers are probably rarer (as a %) than you might think, but there are so many people in Moscow that you should be able to find enough of them.

- Don't worry about safety. It honestly feels safer in Russia than in my home city in the west. In Moscow, staying somewhere close to a metro station within the 3rd ring would be ideal. Tverskaya/Mayakovskaya/Bellaruskaya are my favourite zones. All are located on Tverskaya st, the main artery running into the city (and a sight to behold, the first time you go down it).
- Yes Tinder is extremely popular. Start using it before you fly there.
- The locals are very respectful as long as you are respectful to them. Just don't be that guy who goes around shouting really loudly in English. They are stern by nature on the exterior, but very warm on the inside. If your Russian is limited, and some interactions become difficult, the best thing you can do is stay calm and confident and just use YandexTranslate. The moment you get awkward and flustered is when it actually becomes awkward.
- Just learning some basic phrases and being able to say them correctly (note: stress in the correct place) is okay. To be honest there is not much middle ground between "basic phrases" and "actually being able to converse", the language is that difficult.

It's down to personal taste, but I would spend 2 weeks in Moscow. Or perhaps 11 days and then 3 in Peter, for instance. The idea being to focus on one of them. Peter is a lot more European, more cramped, more hipster. Moscow is epic, has more to do, and a lot more Russian. Plus the women are better quality.

Hope this helps, and yes indeed the visa is a nightmare. On the note of the visa, you should be able to specify an arbitrary 30 day period before you've even booked your hotels flights etc. It is actually a lot less complicated than it appears.
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(09-06-2019 07:02 AM)WanderingFlame Wrote:  They are stern by nature on the exterior, but very warm on the inside.

This!! every Russian I've met.. generally are pretty cold when you first meet but once they open up they are some of the nicest people ive met.. i haven't had quite the experience ive had with the Poles, but i haven't met Russians in Russia yet lol

In regards to the overall tips, thanks for that.. ill see how i go for airbnbs lol

i was suggested to spend more time in St Petersburg by a Russian chick haha.. maybe shes biased coz she lives there, but she did mention that Moscow has alot of immigrants from the cookier parts of eastern europe..
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Bit by bit response...

(09-06-2019 06:30 AM)Blazadin Wrote:  So far from what I've gathered from the Russian girls I've met in other countries, some of which I'm still in contact with and are back home:
- A sizeable portion under 30 speak English if they are from Moscow or St P.

I would say a decent portion speak some kind of English. Many speak almost none. Many also speak German as a 2nd language (among a few others but German has been the most common I've found).

Having any kind of Russian will certainly help but in a group of 4 girls, one will generally speak somewhat functional English and they're generally happy to practise and help you out with their friends.

Quote:- I do need to at least be able to recognize Cyrillic to get around safely

You can probably survive without it but honestly, it will only take a couple of days to learn. Of the letters in Cyrillic, 5 are the exact same as English, another dozen or so are just an English letter pronounced as another English letter (these can actually be the hardest because you see p and then have to move it to r (for example). Then most of the rest are combinations of English sounds. There's only really a couple that are genuinely foreign sounds that will mess with you.

Worth doing, there are enough cognates that being able to read them and notice them can be really useful, even just things like steak, sushi, burger, pasta and other universal foods (all cognates) will make it worthwhile.

Quote:- Use Uber

Yandex Taxi but it's in English and easy as, just make sure your card is working properly, as a fellow Australian I've had times where it stops working for me and I have to pay cash, bank sanctions are a pain in the ass in general.

Quote:- Not knowing how to speak Russian will make some interactions tricky, but if she can speak english and she knows youre from Aus she will be more than happy to coz 'wtf is an Aussie doing here' (i got a lot of this Poland)

We're nowhere near as rare as you'd think (probably because of the big mining and gas industries) but still has value, don't worry! Download the offline google/yandex translate, buy a sim card (it's worth it) and you'll always have a chance. Again, most that speak English will try, most that don't probably wont bother, so it's at least worth learning some introductory Russian to open up those ones as at least being willing to give it a try.

On a positive, if you're only here for a couple of weeks even the gold digger types aren't something you need to be careful of. Some girls really don't like Russia and are seriously just looking for a foreign passport (they tend to be the ones who can see the wall or have hit it, I really dislike these women and you'll know them within a few minutes of meeting them but they're out there).

Quote:- Knowing something about Russia, Russian culture and having respect for Russian culture is a big turn on (i got a bj from an 8 who was visiting Bali after spending a few hours over bintangs flexing my knowledge on Russian history and practicing Russian with her)

Massive value but do be careful as well, some of their history has been selectively forgotten and this material can vary from girl to girl and be a negative for some. Generally they love the imperial era though as a time of princesses and wealth and the greatness of Russia. Reading the books from the authors, knowing the music/ballets and what not can be a great show of value.

Speaking the language is the A+ tier version of this, doesn't even have to be well but enough to give it a crack opens a lot of doors and brings down some serious walls.


Quote:What i would like to know:
Where should i stay in either city for safety and easy access to sights?

Peter is really easy, stay on Nevsky Prospect or any of the streets right near it, closer to the river end gives better access to sights and sounds. There are tons of AirBnB options here. Can be worth doing the first night in a hotel just to get the registration done and dusted (much harder with AirBnB from experience) and just for ease as you find your feet. Peter is a really easy city, 90% of the main sights are on or attached to Nevsky.

Moscow a bit more varied but the Arbat or Tverskaya areas are two I'd recommend. Both are central with good metro access (the metro in Moscow is amazing for getting around) and the majority of the main sights will be walking distance from both. Really anywhere within the Garden Ring is good and inside the inner ring is even better. Kitai Gorod is another good spot.

Quote:Is Tinder popular?

Yep, half the girls tend to just be looking for instagram followers from my experience but there are a ton on there, the quality is actually insane and you'll match plenty. Echo thoughts that it seems half of the matches don't respond, another 25% will talk a bit and then just go radio silence for whatever reason and then the other 25% are good. Don't expect the Netflix and Chill one night results of Australia though, Tinder is really just an introduction in Russia and from there you're still going to meet the old 3 date rule more often than not.

Quote:What should I expect from the locals?

This really depends on you. initially expect coldness, Russians keep a wall up to protect themselves. If you break through the wall by being friendly and polite then expect some of the friendliest people on earth.

Be a loud obnoxious asshole and they'll treat you as such. Be respectful and polite and they will return the favour.

Overall I've found Russians to be some of the friendliest people but that doesn't mean they don't seem like cold assholes at the start!

Also worth noting that Russian service in restaurants and the like is very much on the all or nothing scale. It seems to be either exceptional or terrible with very little falling in between!

Quote:At a tourist level, how much Russian should I be comfortable with speaking? (I know about 4 hours of duolingo lessons but im going to get more practice in with a Ukrainian friend)

See above, the more the merrier. If you're reasonably dedicated you should be fine with 9 months basically to learn some. Russian is one of those languages where learning some grammar really does help because it is a very grammatical language, just knowing what the different cases mean and the general time to use them makes a huge difference to level of understanding.

One of the negatives I do have for Russians is that the initial coldness tends to extend to their efforts to understand broken Russian, sometimes they just can't be bothered it seems so the better you can speak the more likely they will listen!

Quote:How long should i really be staying in Moscow and St P? i cant spend too long - annual leave is limited and i have a friend in Poland im meeting -

A week in each is a good amount for someone time limited (it's nowhere near enough!). You'll certainly have to pick the things that you really want to see and do and prioritise, there is no way you're fitting it all in with that amount of time.

In Peter if you like art/architecture than Peterhof and the Hermitage are must sees. I enjoyed the Faberge museum also, guy was just talented. Peter and Paul fortress is interesting, the war museum across the river from it is also cool but don't expect much English there, State political history museum is also interesting if you have an interest in the Soviet era. Kunztkamera is worth a visit if you like weird shit. The churches (St Isaac, Spilled Blood, Smolny Cathedral, Kazan Cathedral) are all seriously impressive, a canal cruise can be a good date if you find a girl. The metro stations in Peter are worth a couple of hours as well, you can google some of the more spectacular then just buy a ticket and go check them out (do it in the middle of the day for less people).

Use the Sapsan to go between the two, it's faster than flying and way more comfortable (in case you don't know)

Moscow the Kremlin, especially the Armoury and Diamond Fund (both separate tickets), Red Square in general, Gorky Park, VDNKH Park, Tsaritsyno (another good date place, picnic style), Victory park. Honestly there are so many places and museums.

Quote:Ill take any other tips you guys have as well for a first timer in Russia

Have fun. It's a great place. The better your Russian the better time you will have so a good incentive to study up.
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PS... Wandering is right in his description of the two cities from my experience.

If you like European style cities (Prague, Budapest, et al) then Peter is very similar. Moscow has parts like that but is quite different overall and Peter has a lot more hipster crap going on.
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Blazadin,

Uber in Russia. As others have said use Yandex. There is also Maxim which seems a bit cheaper.

Always carry some cash, especially if Yandex acts up. I’ve had times where the. The card wasn’t going through. And it wouldn’t let me order another taxi. So that’s why I had a couple other apps

Download 2gis. It’s an offline map app. Download your cities.

Don’t smile like an idiot. Russians will wonder what is wrong with you.

Learn a few words. At least the basics. Make a little effort. On the plane, you can try and practice with a girl, explaining that you like Russia a lot, blah blah and want to make a good impression. Some bs like that.

I’d carry a couple different debit cards. I had some problems with one. Luckily, I brought the other.

Good luck and have fun.
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(09-08-2019 06:32 AM)Takeachance Wrote:  Uber in Russia. As others have said use Yandex. There is also Maxim which seems a bit cheaper.

In Moscow gett is also a very nice option. Quite reliable, it costs a little bit more then Yandex but really, this is peanuts.

One thing you need also to think about is ability to order two cabs at the same time (to pickup the girl and to drive myself for example), this is where apps can be weird / act up, so I used two services when I need two cabs at the same time.

(09-08-2019 06:32 AM)Takeachance Wrote:  Always carry some cash, especially if Yandex acts up. I’ve had times where the. The card wasn’t going through. And it wouldn’t let me order another taxi. So that’s why I had a couple other apps

Do this not only because of cabs but also because unlike in europe you usually cannot tip with cards (and tip of about 10% is expected) and also because little man's goverment will jam internet in Moscow Center when demonstrations happen and many payment terminals will not work / restaurants will accept cash only.

(09-08-2019 06:32 AM)Takeachance Wrote:  Don’t smile like an idiot. Russians will wonder what is wrong with you.
Can be a plus, for example police will leave you alone while they control and frisk random pedestrians.

Also be human, one does not have to act "important and tough" like many Moscovites do: In the place I lived some serious road and renovation work was done mostly by people from southern FSU republics. I was quite shocked how they acted at first (look away, put their eyes down, like they do not exist), it is because for locals they are almost slaves / not human. I smiled at them few times, actually thanked them for doing the hard job and it did wonders, they greeted me every day, smiled and even moved some of their roadwork machines when I had to pass with a cab into the yard. Has nothing to do with women but I'd rather start my day with someone saying hi and smiling at me then walking stiff with serious look on my face.
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(08-19-2019 11:01 AM)Rocha Wrote:  I have hug closed many more women from St. Piter than from Moscow.

Moscow girls (and people in general) are very stressed up and cold, they just can not relax and enjoy the moment, they always thinking about what to do next.

My idea of Piter girls is that they react more from impulses and are unpredictable...so you got to give them fuel to lighten up those engines..

My experience too. Had alcohol and substances fueled instant dates in SPB.
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Piter has the least favorite crowd for me of any FSU city I've been to.

Badly dressed, not good looking (however the same goes for dudes, not just girls. Competition is lower too so there's that)

Many look quite unhappy. Proper unhappy, not the standard Russian pokerface.

Nightlife options somewhat limited:
- many places with the badly dressed / hipstery crowd mentioned above
- a few higher end places which can actually be kind of good if you are 30+ with status, but that's it.
- not much of anything going on on weekdays.

Would not recommend the city to meet cute, nicely dressed 20 year olds by any means, you will need to do a lot of digging to find that.

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By contrast, in other places girls and dudes make more effort to look good on a night out at least, for me it matters.
In Piter it feels like they resigned to "we are not high class so we need to look crappy too to reflect it"...
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I sat on the sofa staring at the photo on the coffee table. I was oscillating between rage and despair. Again, I picked up the photo and scanned it for any telltale signs. All I could see was a woman with dark hair bent over an office desk and a man standing behind her with his pants around his ankles. I couldn’t see the woman’s face because of the placement of her hair nor could I see the face of the man.

The photo appeared to be taken from some one looking in from the door way of an office. There was nothing else in the photo that I recognized to help me ascertain the identity of the “Fucker” and the “Fuckee.” However, on the back of the photo, some one had scrawled, “Just thought you would want to know how your wife spends her lunch hour.” So now I suspected that I was the “Fucked.”

I’m Jack Murphy and I have been married to Ellen for 20 years. Ellen and I had met in college and married soon after graduation. I graduated with a degree in mechanical engineering and went to work for an oil company in a local refinery. Ellen graduated with a marketing degree and now works for a medical device manufacturer as a liaison between her company and the advertising agencies.

We have two children, Roger and Beth, who both joined the Air Force after graduating from high school and are working on their college degrees at night school. Ellen got pregnant soon after we married and she became a stay-at-home mom.
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I’ve gotten rather depressed in Moscow. Some days not even bothering to step out of bed until early evening, just to go out on boring dates or group meetups.

It’s not fun here. Give me SEA or LatAm any day. Scuba, rock climbing, ziplines, motorbikes, waterfalls, caves, beaches, hiking, viewpoints, massages, fun international bars. Everything affordable.

Even the Indian summer Moscow has gotten boring. I can’t imagine dropping serious money here. Especially in winter. Maybe if you get a model girl...

I haven’t dated one single Russian girl who wants to travel around Russia. They all want to leave for intl travel and have a guy pay for it. Bring a foreign girl here with you if you want to travel Russia on a budget. No decent Russian girl will be interested. They do not want to go anywhere in EE.

The 3 date thing has gotten really monotonous. It’s not like I get high quality for all the effort. 6-7 at best unless you display wealth. The scheduling is a headache. Girls are so busy.

The 8+ Instagram class and model girls aren’t interested in a fun foreigner offering simple dates. I really had no expectation for them, honestly. But I thought for sure other foreign guys with bank were getting them.

Being an English speaking foreigner doesn’t seem to be my problem. Many speak English. They get attention and money from Russian guys. I don’t register on their money/hookup radar. Very status conscious.

I met another RVFer for beers. He speaks Russian and has some social circle going on. He was having the same problem?! He felt those girls only hookup with Russia guys. Foreigners are put in a box to be exploited or in a “relationship”.

I was kinda shocked about how the 8+ were still giving him the run around. Kinda made me glad I didn’t even deal with them (outside some texts). He was sometimes able to skip a date or two but their attitude was still pretty ruthless.

To give you an idea his Tinder was displaying massive wealth from video of an IBC penthouse to seriously nice clothes, accessories, and car. He probably spent in a day what I spend in a month. He also had cafe game.

He was getting interest and dates with the 8+ girls. Problem is their blatant money driven agenda and attitude. I’m sorry but they are essentially prostituting themselves.

If you come from the west it’s extremely off-putting. He kinda had the same monotonous dating experience I’ve had, but on a whole different level of female entitlement.

He said a typical date would end with a drunk and horny girl stopping hot and heavy things to clarify “would you buy your girlfriend Cartier?”. Holy shit. Imagine that happening over and over again.

He said there are cafes in IBC where poor girls sit and sip tea (all they can afford) waiting to talk with rich men. 50+ year old man with an 18 yo girl? Normal. He just has to have the right shoes and suit.

Most of my dates with 6s and 7s are about normal topics. We run into miscommunication and scheduling issues, not crazy financial demands. Still when I’ve gotten to the third date it’s pretty apparent we’re entirely incompatible and feeling little chemistry.

Well we both knew that to begin with. Why drag out the bullshit over multiple dates? We’re busy people...

Pretty much all these chicks are locked down to Moscow for life. Most of the girls I’ve dated are extremely busy. They have work, school, commutes, etc.

To their credit they aren’t gold diggers, but still not used to paying for entertainment, vacations, shopping. They generally seem too busy to be traditional girlfriends even if you live together.

So of course they are single. Why would a middle class guy pay for all her shit just to get sex and companionship? Especially with such a high divorce rate.

I thought for sure these girls would see me as an easy lover solution. But I don’t think that’s the case. They just don’t view men that way in general.

The only time I’ve heard of lover boy scenarios is older single moms 30-40 dating 18-24 year old men.

The young guy cant afford to date a girl because he’s too poor. So he’s happy for sex.

The woman is too old and undateable to most men. She has kid baggage. So she’s happy just to have a man for sex. I guess the dad pays her bills.

I’ve asked every girl lately and they all have a friend or two in such an arrangement. Young guy with older single mom. Great.

Overall Moscow is liveable. The city has a good deal of culture and sightseeing. But after a month it’s a bit dull. I think you really have to like walking in the park or cafes to live here.

I’m not sure how anyone is able to handle it year round. In another month I think you’ll be pretty much limited to cafes by cold nights.

Looking forward to leaving.

If you’re on a budget stick to the Couchsurfing and hostel scene. Don’t even bother with locals. I’d recommend a private room at a hostel vs Airbnb.
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(09-10-2019 04:34 AM)Switchez Wrote:  Piter has the least favorite crowd for me of any FSU city I've been to.

Badly dressed, not good looking (however the same goes for dudes, not just girls. Competition is lower too so there's that)

Many look quite unhappy. Proper unhappy, not the standard Russian pokerface.

Nightlife options somewhat limited:
- many places with the badly dressed / hipstery crowd mentioned above
- a few higher end places which can actually be kind of good if you are 30+ with status, but that's it.
- not much of anything going on on weekdays.

Would not recommend the city to meet cute, nicely dressed 20 year olds by any means, you will need to do a lot of digging to find that.

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By contrast, in other places girls and dudes make more effort to look good on a night out at least, for me it matters.
In Piter it feels like they resigned to "we are not high class so we need to look crappy too to reflect it"...

Absolutely agree.

I never thought I'd be in an FSU city where women didn't make much of an effort with their appearance. Baggy jeans, pink or green hair, piercings, and MANY girls with dreads. It seems few women did physical exercise there, even I struggled finding an adequate gym.

The nightlife was a shocker, I was roped into going to Galitsyn Loft a few times, even finding a girl 7/10 there was tough. Also that chain of bars "Poison" was very disappointing.

Shame as it's a magical city that I definitely want to return to - nowhere is perfect.
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(09-11-2019 12:34 PM)BuckFutter Wrote:  I’ve gotten rather depressed in Moscow. Some days not even bothering to step out of bed until early evening, just to go out on boring dates or group meetups.

It’s not fun here. Give me SEA or LatAm any day. Scuba, rock climbing, ziplines, motorbikes, waterfalls, caves, beaches, hiking, viewpoints, massages, fun international bars. Everything affordable.

Even the Indian summer Moscow has gotten boring. I can’t imagine dropping serious money here. Especially in winter. Maybe if you get a model girl...

I haven’t dated one single Russian girl who wants to travel around Russia. They all want to leave for intl travel and have a guy pay for it. Bring a foreign girl here with you if you want to travel Russia on a budget. No decent Russian girl will be interested. They do not want to go anywhere in EE.

The 3 date thing has gotten really monotonous. It’s not like I get high quality for all the effort. 6-7 at best unless you display wealth. The scheduling is a headache. Girls are so busy.

The 8+ Instagram class and model girls aren’t interested in a fun foreigner offering simple dates. I really had no expectation for them, honestly. But I thought for sure other foreign guys with bank were getting them.

Being an English speaking foreigner doesn’t seem to be my problem. Many speak English. They get attention and money from Russian guys. I don’t register on their money/hookup radar. Very status conscious.

I met another RVFer for beers. He speaks Russian and has some social circle going on. He was having the same problem?! He felt those girls only hookup with Russia guys. Foreigners are put in a box to be exploited or in a “relationship”.

I was kinda shocked about how the 8+ were still giving him the run around. Kinda made me glad I didn’t even deal with them (outside some texts). He was sometimes able to skip a date or two but their attitude was still pretty ruthless.

To give you an idea his Tinder was displaying massive wealth from video of an IBC penthouse to seriously nice clothes, accessories, and car. He probably spent in a day what I spend in a month. He also had cafe game.

He was getting interest and dates with the 8+ girls. Problem is their blatant money driven agenda and attitude. I’m sorry but they are essentially prostituting themselves.

If you come from the west it’s extremely off-putting. He kinda had the same monotonous dating experience I’ve had, but on a whole different level of female entitlement.

He said a typical date would end with a drunk and horny girl stopping hot and heavy things to clarify “would you buy your girlfriend Cartier?”. Holy shit. Imagine that happening over and over again.

He said there are cafes in IBC where poor girls sit and sip tea (all they can afford) waiting to talk with rich men. 50+ year old man with an 18 yo girl? Normal. He just has to have the right shoes and suit.

Most of my dates with 6s and 7s are about normal topics. We run into miscommunication and scheduling issues, not crazy financial demands. Still when I’ve gotten to the third date it’s pretty apparent we’re entirely incompatible and feeling little chemistry.

Well we both knew that to begin with. Why drag out the bullshit over multiple dates? We’re busy people...

Pretty much all these chicks are locked down to Moscow for life. Most of the girls I’ve dated are extremely busy. They have work, school, commutes, etc.

To their credit they aren’t gold diggers, but still not used to paying for entertainment, vacations, shopping. They generally seem too busy to be traditional girlfriends even if you live together.

So of course they are single. Why would a middle class guy pay for all her shit just to get sex and companionship? Especially with such a high divorce rate.

I thought for sure these girls would see me as an easy lover solution. But I don’t think that’s the case. They just don’t view men that way in general.

The only time I’ve heard of lover boy scenarios is older single moms 30-40 dating 18-24 year old men.

The young guy cant afford to date a girl because he’s too poor. So he’s happy for sex.

The woman is too old and undateable to most men. She has kid baggage. So she’s happy just to have a man for sex. I guess the dad pays her bills.

I’ve asked every girl lately and they all have a friend or two in such an arrangement. Young guy with older single mom. Great.

Overall Moscow is liveable. The city has a good deal of culture and sightseeing. But after a month it’s a bit dull. I think you really have to like walking in the park or cafes to live here.

I’m not sure how anyone is able to handle it year round. In another month I think you’ll be pretty much limited to cafes by cold nights.

Looking forward to leaving.

If you’re on a budget stick to the Couchsurfing and hostel scene. Don’t even bother with locals. I’d recommend a private room at a hostel vs Airbnb.

This is a very interesting post, with very interesting observations and conclusions, and my idea of Moscow and Muscovites, is not far from this, though I never been there, I have met quite a lot of them.

Just one thing that I would really like to ask to OP.

You have no issues getting women in places like say US/Anglosphere, or Western Europe, and this could be a lack with connection with the girls and culture that is making you fail there?

Or for example you get along better with the open mindedness of girls from SEA or LatAM, but have trouble with girls from the West?

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(09-11-2019 12:34 PM)BuckFutter Wrote:  He was getting interest and dates with the 8+ girls. Problem is their blatant money driven agenda and attitude. I’m sorry but they are essentially prostituting themselves.

If you come from the west it’s extremely off-putting. He kinda had the same monotonous dating experience I’ve had, but on a whole different level of female entitlement.

Could you clarify which place you have in mind when you say "the west"?

Because really, as I mentioned previously in places like Paris, London, Zurich, the top tier (looks wise) girls seemed to have the exact same agenda to me, so I wouldn't see it as anything new. They may be less overt about it, but they do expect similar.

I'm not being ironic, just curious to know. Maybe the place you have in mind is worth a visit.
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(09-11-2019 12:34 PM)BuckFutter Wrote:  I’ve gotten rather depressed in Moscow. Some days not even bothering to step out of bed until early evening, just to go out on boring dates or group meetups.

It’s not fun here. Give me SEA or LatAm any day. Scuba, rock climbing, ziplines, motorbikes, waterfalls, caves, beaches, hiking, viewpoints, massages, fun international bars. Everything affordable.
Shame to hear that. We spoke a little on WhatsApp and I remember mentioning the same thing: it sounds like you're just better suited to other places. If you don't enjoy it then absolutely it's not worth it. I think it makes things harder with girls on a subconscious level too.

(09-11-2019 12:34 PM)BuckFutter Wrote:  The 3 date thing has gotten really monotonous. It’s not like I get high quality for all the effort. 6-7 at best unless you display wealth. The scheduling is a headache. Girls are so busy.

The 8+ Instagram class and model girls aren’t interested in a fun foreigner offering simple dates. I really had no expectation for them, honestly. But I thought for sure other foreign guys with bank were getting them.
They are free and will bend their schedule to suit the right guy. You have to be offering value to them. There has to be a purpose to seeing you. A fun foreigner is not enough (there's loads of them). Casual sex is not enough.

(09-11-2019 12:34 PM)BuckFutter Wrote:  To give you an idea his Tinder was displaying massive wealth from video of an IBC penthouse to seriously nice clothes, accessories, and car. He probably spent in a day what I spend in a month. He also had cafe game.

He was getting interest and dates with the 8+ girls. Problem is their blatant money driven agenda and attitude. I’m sorry but they are essentially prostituting themselves.

He said a typical date would end with a drunk and horny girl stopping hot and heavy things to clarify “would you buy your girlfriend Cartier?”. Holy shit. Imagine that happening over and over again.
I don't want to judge somebody I don't know, but it sounds like he is baiting girls by displaying wealth, therefore attracting girls with wealth as their main purpose, but then not willing to actually provide any wealth? It is not surprising to hear the result. It is particularly unattractive when a wealthy dude is essentially talking the talk, but is cheap about everything. That's how these girls will see it. Plus they're smart enough to know that banging him likely won't lead to anything happening.

My realisation is that there are 3 paths to go with dating. Choose one as your clear goal and stick to it. Do not be wishy-washy.

1. Dating high quality girls by being a high quality man and implying the purpose of potential long-term
- This is my personal way. Build a connection. See everything I mentioned in my previous posts. It might be difficult to get results if you're just passing through / don't speak the language. It works for me because I love the country. I feel like I belong. I click with the people.
- If you do have wealth, be subtle and tactful about it. At most, imply the possibility of it (e.g. "I run a business back home with 10 employees", or simply by them seeing your lifestyle). It should not be the main thing you have going for you (see #3).
- If your value is lower, then be realistic and adjust your expectation of the women accordingly.

2. Trying your luck with casual sex
- Can be very random, frustrating, uncertain, and likely results in lower quality girls. Which makes logical sense when you think about it. But I completely understand the thrill of the chase. It's like playing on hard mode.

3. Paying for it somehow
- Whether you're dating money-oriented women, or directly paying.
- Overtly advertising wealth is a sure-fire way to attract a lot of this type.
- Don't expect her to bang you without you giving something up too.
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@WanderingFlame:

I have a question.

Have you been and lived in Moscow and dated 8+ girls here?

Not other Russian cities. Specifically Moscow.
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(09-11-2019 06:18 PM)Julius.von.Liechtenstein Wrote:  @WanderingFlame:

I have a question.

Have you been and lived in Moscow and dated 8+ girls here?

Not other Russian cities. Specifically Moscow.

Yes.

12M+ population makes it easier to find them than anywhere else. Not that it is "easy" as such.

Sure competition might be higher, but its not as if all men are ranked from 1st to 6,000,000th in some database, ready for the women to pick out from top to bottom. If you're obviously high value, meet one you connect with and she likes you, you're good.

Note: it's obviously subjective but I am picky with ratings. Insta-model barbie type women often do not cut it. For me they must be slim (with good popa), elegant, tall, extremely pretty.
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