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(03-23-1983 09:19 PM) Wrote:  "Sing me a symphony; one for the lost out in between.
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"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun."
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^^^^^

Yeah, and also in the globe photo above:


-no stars
-no satellites (of which there are supposed to be about more than 4500)
-no international space station
-no hubble telescope



Yet, if you go on a NASA and/or satellite website they try to sell you this garbage as what's around the earth:

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The international space station miraculously cruising round the earth for 20 years with ZERO stars and ZERO satellites around it.


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20 years in "space" and it never once gets hit by a meteor shower, a comet, an asteroid, or even a single piece of the half a million pieces of space debris supposedly in orbit round the earth right now.

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I don't know for sure if the earth is flat or round....but I am 99% sure ALL the images and videos from so called "space" are fake.
Everything that is above 70,000 feet is probably totally classified.

They have to show the public something to justify all the money they spend to send all that shit up there every year...but no way are these images/videos whats really up there.
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^^^ Posts #477-#479

I read this article in June & it discusses a technique where AI can find inconsistencies between pixels.
http://www.kurzweilai.net/spotting-fake-images-with-ai

tl;dr - Prototype AI (deep-learning neural network), with some training, can find photoshopped pixels in seconds.

Spotting fake images with AI
Quote:June 26, 2018

Adobe and University of Maryland researchers use a deep-learning neural network to detect subtle methods now used in doctoring images
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This tampered image (left) can be detected by noting visual artifacts (red rectangle, showing the unnaturally high contrast along the baseball player’s edges), compared to authentic regions (the parking lot background); and by noting noise pattern inconsistencies between the tampered regions and the background (as seen in “Noise” image). The “ground-truth” image is the outline of the added (fake) image used in the experiment. (credit: Adobe)


Thanks to user-friendly image editing software like Adobe Photoshop, it’s becoming increasingly difficult and time-consuming to spot some deceptive image manipulations.

Now, funded by DARPA, researchers at Adobe and the University of Maryland, College Park have turned to AI to detect the more subtle methods now used in doctoring images.

Forensic AI

What used to take an image-forensic expert several hours to do can now be done in seconds with AI, says Vlad Morariu, PhD, a senior research scientist at Adobe. “Using tens of thousands of examples of known, manipulated images, we successfully trained a deep learning neural network* to recognize image manipulation in each image,” he explains.

“We focused on three common tampering techniques — splicing, where parts of two different images are combined; copy-move, where objects in a photograph are moved or cloned from one place to another; and removal, where an object is removed from a photograph, and filled-in,” he notes.

The neural network looks for two things: changes to the red, green and blue color values of pixels; and inconsistencies in the random variations of color and brightness generated by a camera’s sensor or by later software manipulations, such as Gaussian smoothing.





Ref: 2018 Computer Vision and Pattern Recognition Proceedings (open access). Source: Adobe Blog.

* The researchers used a “two-stream Faster R-CNN” (a type of convolutional neural network) that they trained end-to-end to detect the tampered regions in a manipulated image. The two streams are RGB (red-green-blue — the millions of different colors) to find tampering artifacts like strong contrast difference and unnatural tampered boundaries; and noise (inconsistency of noise patterns between authentic and tampered regions — in the example above, note that the baseball player’s image is lighter, for example, in addition to more-subtle differences that can be detected by the algorithm — even what tampering technique was used). These two features are then fused together to further identify spatial co-occurrence of these two modalities (RGB and noise).

Related:

29 Viral Photos and GIFs From 2017 That Were Totally Fake

I think that they will want the AI to advance to the point where you can apply this over video footage across thousands of frames. I'm sure there will be uses for this kind of technology. I will wait and see which kind of use will persist.

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Mercenary, you clearly have no grasp of an object's size vs the area it inhabits and it's visibility to the naked eye at distance. You can't see other satellites in that shot for the same reason you can't see an F-15 flying over your head at 60,000 ft, genius.

Orbital trajectories operate in an area vastly larger than earth's airspace. Your claims are like claiming it's suspicious that several hundred thousand light aircraft were able to travel in different directions all over earth at the same time operating at massively different altitudes without colliding. Unimaginable!

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Stop embarrassing yourself and the forum by extension.

p.s. while I'm here, please also stop creating posts where you phrase everything as a question as if you're some sort of guru trying to unlock the minds of his disciples. It's obnoxious and disingenuous. Nobody is impressed. It only smacks of someone leaving themselves an out if they're called on their bullshit, since you can claim "I never explicitly said...".

p.p.s while I'm still here, stop asking for apologies when one out of a million of your crackpot theories turns out to be 10 percent true or even merely 10 percent possible. A broken clock is more routinely accurate than you. Anyone with your track record and a sense of shame would have had the decency to shut up about this shit by now.

For everyone else, what you see in threads like this is the desperation of some men to feel enlightened and relevant in a manner that doesn't require them to act in any way whatsoever other than to "raise awareness".

That's why you will see dudes screeching about deep state weather control machines while completely sidestepping stuff like Pizzagate. The entire point being that the former allows them to gather obscure "evidence" before gloating about their supposed wokeness without suffering the faintest notion that they have to get off their ass and do something about it, while the latter has a real and provable trail of evidence that leaves the follower with the unpleasant sense that they should really be doing something concrete about the real victims being abused every single day.

Flat earth, like all whackadoo theories, exists to stroke the egos of sad people desperate to believe they have some sort of deep insight into the world that few others possess. This is often most grotesquely displayed when such theorists attempt to out-ego each other by jumping to greater and greater levels of nonsense in order to leave their fellow loons in the dust of their superior wokeness. "The CIA trained the 911 hijackers? Pfft. Fucking normies. Ever heard of missiles cloaked in holograms, dipshits? Goddam noobs are derailing the truth!"

This is why they get highly offended when they're called out or worse, discredited with proof. Because they're not on a search for the truth. In most cases they go to extreme lengths to avoid the truth. What they're really after is for people to fall at their feet and worship their grand and incredible wokeness or at very least they want to feel smug and self satisfied that their genius is somehow on record as having stood against the sea of ignorance.

This is why they mockingly post a picture of deep space and guffaw at the "sheer nonsense" that no other satellites are visible, despite the nearest one likely being a hundred miles away and visually representing less than .01% of a pixel in the aforementioned shot.

Congrats, Mercenary. Your intellectual density has created a gravity well powerful enough to pull me back into posting.

Or is gravity another "so called", like space?

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(08-02-2018 09:22 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Your claims are like claiming it's suspicious that several hundred thousand light aircraft were able to travel in different directions all over earth at the same time operating at massively different altitudes without colliding.

It is suspicious, Leonard.

It is.

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(08-02-2018 08:04 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  The international space station miraculously cruising round the earth for 20 years with ZERO stars and ZERO satellites around it.


Seriously Mercenary? Where did you get your baseline idea about what space looks like? Cartoons? Comic books? You expect satellites and freakin STARS! to be around space station? WTF? Have you any sense of measure and distance?

You think you are seeing trough lies when you are buying most of them. You think space is small like in a Hollywood movie Gravity where an astronaut can hop from American station to Russian station and then Chinese station because they are all neatly together a couple hundred meters apart? Maybe you think there are a few stars in between? You think you can see trough NASA lies but you can't see trough the fiction of movies and children's books!

Space is not a jungle. It is a big, big empty and lonely ...well... space. That is why it is called space. That is why it is not called jungle. And that empty space is very big. Might not be as big as human stupidity trough.

Btw, there have been incidents of minuscule debris cracking windows in space station - search for it.
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A few years ago I came across the flat earth theory when a good friend of mine asked me if I could prove the earth is round.

Not being able to do that I looked into the matter and found many things related to this thread, some of it interesting but mostly I found that sensibility is absent from the flat earthers point of view. Most material assumes the flat earth theory as true and tries to adapt science to their worldview. This is where I found a simple but irrefutable flaw in their argument.

Flat earthers claim gravity as we understand it doesn't exist and that everything can be explained through buoyancy and electromagnetism.

They seem to forget, however, that to calculate buoyancy you need to calculate the downward force of gravity.
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The lunatic Flat Earther Eddie Bravo tries to explain why space is fake on Rogan.



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(02-18-2019 02:12 AM)Malone Wrote:  The lunatic Flat Earther Eddie Bravo tries to explain why space is fake on Rogan.






How can anyone watch this show ?
Everyone constantly interrupts or talks over eachother.
I can't follow a single viewpoint cause every 5 seconds another person starts talking before the other is finished.
Can't believe this show is as popular as it is, in this dumb format.
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(02-18-2019 03:35 AM)Caduceus Wrote:  How can anyone watch this show ?
Everyone constantly interrupts or talks over eachother.
I can't follow a single viewpoint cause every 5 seconds another person starts talking before the other is finished.
Can't believe this show is as popular as it is, in this dumb format.

A no. would be lonely folk using this as psuedo-company.
Then there'd be folk 'listening' while exercising or working or whatever.
Then there'd be a large chunk of folk high on weed & not paying too much attention.
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(02-18-2019 03:35 AM)Caduceus Wrote:  
(02-18-2019 02:12 AM)Malone Wrote:  The lunatic Flat Earther Eddie Bravo tries to explain why space is fake on Rogan.






How can anyone watch this show ?
Everyone constantly interrupts or talks over eachother.
I can't follow a single viewpoint cause every 5 seconds another person starts talking before the other is finished.
Can't believe this show is as popular as it is, in this dumb format.



Maybe it "works" (a ton of people listen to it) because of how attention deficit people are now so that constant interruption style helps them stay tuned in.
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Eddie Bravo's fake space theory is my favourite conspiracy theory of all time. I want to believe. Fuck it. Just to be a contrarian and piss people off I will believe it. #Teamflatearth. Fuck the one world government.
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(02-18-2019 03:35 AM)Caduceus Wrote:  
(02-18-2019 02:12 AM)Malone Wrote:  The lunatic Flat Earther Eddie Bravo tries to explain why space is fake on Rogan.



How can anyone watch this show ?
Everyone constantly interrupts or talks over eachother.
I can't follow a single viewpoint cause every 5 seconds another person starts talking before the other is finished.
Can't believe this show is as popular as it is, in this dumb format.

This has become standard behaviour everywhere from what I see. The sanctimoniously narcissistic are so full of themselves that waiting for others to finish speaking is tedious and boring (since they aren't listening anyway), so they assume what the other person is going to say, interrupt and respond to their assumptions of what your position would be if they had enough self control to shut up and actually listen. Usually assuming incorrectly.

Everyone thinks I am the one with the issue because I don't talk over others. Apparently I am 'quiet'. Seems manners are optional today.

Talking sticks should make a comeback. Have stick, your turn to talk. Talk without stick and stick holder beats you with it. Joe should try it. His show would be better.

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^^^^ The few posts above.

The argument that fake extra-terrestrials would be the only way to make people desire one world government is a half-truth (read: a lie).

It is truth in the way that it would be a good method to make people desire one world government.

But it is a lie in that it is the only way.

Other ways that can and do make people desire big daddy government and one world government:

1)Emancipation of degenerate lifestyles that cannot exist in nature or in state of conflict or competition, but can only flourish under Big brother police state.
1a)Feminism
2a)Homosexuality
3a)Pedophilia

Every Feminist or homosexual is an agent for the globalists, because they cannot survive in natural order and are dependent on unnatural order created by state. The bigger the reach of the government the bigger the reach and freedom of their degeneracy.

2)Religious belief in globalist state.
2a)Islam - believes it is duty for their religion to conquer the world with violence and terror. Every Muslim and especially every jihadist is a globalist.
2b)Christianity - believes it is duty for their religion to conquer the world with evangelization and proselytism. Every Christian and especially every preacher is a globalist.
3c)Judaism - believes it is duty for their religion to conquer the world with usury and debt. Every Judaist and especially every banker is a globalist.

3)Communism
3a)Marxism
3b)Cultural Marxism
3c)Socialism


You see there are so many globalist propaganda systems in place already.
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(08-02-2018 07:42 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  ^^^^^

Yeah, and also in the globe photo above:


-no stars

Actually, there are two stars in the background of that photo: one in the far upper left corner, and one close to the Earth on the upper right side.

Or maybe my retina is damaged from too much RVF at wee hours of the night.

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(02-18-2019 10:53 AM)saner Wrote:  This has become standard behaviour everywhere from what I see. The sanctimoniously narcissistic are so full of themselves that waiting for others to finish speaking is tedious and boring (since they aren't listening anyway), so they assume what the other person is going to say, interrupt and respond to their assumptions of what your position would be if they had enough self control to shut up and actually listen. Usually assuming incorrectly.

Everyone thinks I am the one with the issue because I don't talk over others. Apparently I am 'quiet'. Seems manners are optional today.
...

Yes indeed.
Interrupting with assumptions may be viable with the 'NPC' crowd, all operating at a similar level.
Yet those of us hear are highly likely not going to be NPC's & are far more liable to talk about a subject from an entirely different perspective.

Another element is folk never asking you to elaborate or continue on with a certain premise.
You detail your holiday, then they immediately go on to detailing their last holiday.

They may have never visited where you just were, so it would behoove them to ask you about your experience in order to gain a better understanding of that location.
Yet in not being a part of their narcissistic journey, they immediately switch to what they last encountered...
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Interesting topic. Makes me wonder if I wasn't told by public school indoctrination camp that Earth is a globe, would I be able to come up with that thought on my own as an adult. Water does remain flat at all times. The debate still alive.
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Water isn't flat, it's slightly curved along the curvature of the earth, but perceived as flat because we're like specks of dust on a giant globe.

Flat earth charlatans exploit our cognitive vulnerability, the fact that our sensorial experience in the microcosm makes it hard to understand on a basic level the physical properties of the macrocosm, so you have to rely on your basic scientific training to bridge that gap. The fact that many people lack that basic scientific understanding makes them very vulnerable to psyops like flat earth.

Those who will fall for flat earth are those who understand that the deep state lies on a number of issues but don't have the logos and scientific discerning to understand the double bluff nature of psyops like flat earth, nukes aren't real or dinosaurs never existed.

All of these beliefs are poison pills designed to discredit the entire truth movement, they were devised and weaponized by Obama's information Czar Cass Sunstein in order the reverse the tide on people getting redpilled through the internet.

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(06-21-2019 02:09 PM)911 Wrote:  Cass Sunstein

Googled him, what a fun topic. He wrote an academic essay about ways of dismantling conspiracy theories, which could lead some to discrediting groups of conspirators by aligning them with crazies, such as flat earthers.

Here's a good article about him: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/person...acy-theory

Quote:But I think it’s my job to put ideas out there. If that comes with the risk that someone is gonna do something horrible with it, well, that’s life


Quote from Sunstein.

Again, fun stuff. On one hand, government information control is bad (but then again find me a government that doesn't do this). On the other hand, how do you fight actual, potentially dangerous and violence inciting, misinformation and fake news?

On a tangentially related note, a few years ago I was at an airport and there was a middle aged guy with his son there with a desk with one of those tri-fold poser board pieces we used in middle school to create presentations demonstrating 9/11 was a hoax.

1. The whole thing looked like a middle schooler created it. Literally glued cut outs on a poster board with wordart titles
2. It was the most hastily put together, least credible conspiracy explanation I've ever seen
3. Who in their right mind allows 9/11 conspiracists at an airport???????

That clearly screamed of a discrediting campaign, but saddest thing is I bet the guy doing it actually believed it and that he was doing a good thing
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Owen Benjamin always has interesting rants about flat Earth



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