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RE: Another Manosphere article featuring RVF - Down Under
(06-01-2014 02:41 AM)Azriel Odin Wrote:  
(06-01-2014 02:04 AM)mikado Wrote:  Dear Lord when are you going to stop the white victim card?

White people were, are and will still remain the most powerful people for a long time . Samseau and his pals are always complaining white man will be extinguished, jeopardized by immigration, society etc etc.

- When an employer ( generally white, since most employers are white I assume) hires people, if the skills are equals between a non-white and a white men, he will most likely hire a white man.
- People are more likely to get a loan with people with white sounding names than non-white ones.
- White men are the most sought after on online dating ( you were talking a lot about White God factor)

There are a lot of other privileges ( yes, I dare say it) that white people have. But contrary to the left's opinion, non-whites also have some other privileges.

Thing is that everyone, especially male, has some kind of privilege, and suffer from feminism too. Stop your victimization and focus on winning your game, whichever cards you were dealt with.
If there is a war, it's a war on ALL MEN, not only WHITE MEN.
Fuck, we are in the manosphere, not the whitemanosphere.

While I do agree with what you are saying, particularly in regards to it being a war on all men, the article in question did specify White Males a couple of times.

In regards to the original topic, i'm not surprised. Australian Journalism is bloody woeful.

I don't see the contradiction. The article talks about the entitlement some white men have, the way they draw the cover to themselves ( I don't know if this is right in English, that's how we say it in french)
This happens for sure among white men, and even sometimes on this forum. You are new, but you can find it if you read a couple pages on the everything else forum.
My point is that if you criticize the "war on white men", then at least extend that concept to all men, because that's what it is. Liberals criticizing white privilege do not care about the casual white or non-white person, they use him just for money.

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06-01-2014 02:54 AM
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RE: Another Manosphere article featuring RVF - Down Under
(06-01-2014 02:54 AM)mikado Wrote:  
(06-01-2014 02:41 AM)Azriel Odin Wrote:  
(06-01-2014 02:04 AM)mikado Wrote:  Dear Lord when are you going to stop the white victim card?

White people were, are and will still remain the most powerful people for a long time . Samseau and his pals are always complaining white man will be extinguished, jeopardized by immigration, society etc etc.

- When an employer ( generally white, since most employers are white I assume) hires people, if the skills are equals between a non-white and a white men, he will most likely hire a white man.
- People are more likely to get a loan with people with white sounding names than non-white ones.
- White men are the most sought after on online dating ( you were talking a lot about White God factor)

There are a lot of other privileges ( yes, I dare say it) that white people have. But contrary to the left's opinion, non-whites also have some other privileges.

Thing is that everyone, especially male, has some kind of privilege, and suffer from feminism too. Stop your victimization and focus on winning your game, whichever cards you were dealt with.
If there is a war, it's a war on ALL MEN, not only WHITE MEN.
Fuck, we are in the manosphere, not the whitemanosphere.

While I do agree with what you are saying, particularly in regards to it being a war on all men, the article in question did specify White Males a couple of times.

In regards to the original topic, i'm not surprised. Australian Journalism is bloody woeful.

I don't see the contradiction. The article talks about the entitlement some white men have, the way they draw the cover to themselves ( I don't know if this is right in English, that's how we say it in french)
This happens for sure among white men, and even sometimes on this forum. You are new, but you can find it if you read a couple pages on the everything else forum.
My point is that if you criticize the "war on white men", then at least extend that concept to all men, because that's what it is. Liberals criticizing white privilege do not care about the casual white or non-white person, they use him just for money.

I see what you're saying. My point was that, in this case, the 'victim card' as you called it wasn't pulled because of some imagined insult. The guy in the article was specifying white men, so it is only natural for people to jump to the defensive in this situation.
06-01-2014 03:07 AM
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RE: Another Manosphere article featuring RVF - Down Under
Fair enough.

I think the manosphere should focus on attracting men from all backgrounds ( I do not count women because they are just followers)

Instead of focusing on race issues( 'white people can't be proud of their race! ' ; ' Asian men are despised by society and seen as sub-humans! ' ; 'I can't date a blonde white girl because I am indian!' ) etc , I think we should enlighten more the problems experienced by men as a whole: feminism, marriage, alimony, abortion, domestic abuse... Every man can virtually relate to these. By sending the message that we want a fair world for everyone, manosphere will be better welcomed.
The game, lifestyle, knowledge advice provided by manosphere, including PUAs, will also draw attention.

Instead, when your first line of defense is: 'feminism should be despised because it makes white men feel guilty' , then you will have it harder to convince people, whether they are minorities or not. This also attracts some white nationalists and neo nazis on a lot of manosphere forums. Just look at Roissy blog, or even the comments on ROK sometimes.

As this is an important issue ( every man wants to be proud of his race) , it is OK to point out the "white privilege' bullshits, but don't forget to point out too the more generic or specific towards other races ones.

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06-01-2014 03:44 AM
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RE: Another Manosphere article featuring RVF - Down Under
G Manifesto always took the line that he didn't care about feminism because the places and bars at which he hung out didn't have feminists - it wasn't on his radar.

I take a similar view. Stack cash and live wherever, avoid marriage, live life on own terms.
06-01-2014 04:35 AM
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RE: Another Manosphere article featuring RVF - Down Under
(05-31-2014 03:04 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  
(05-31-2014 11:05 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  And that brilliant observation is from a psychology professor who spent years studying the manosphere, getting paid well by the tax payers in the process...

You're expecting the Mainstream Media to do anything but seek out experts to demonise us when they know they can't sell us anything via the advertising that keeps them going?

Critical thought and self-improvement is a threat to power structures built upon selling people shit they don't need in an attempt to increase their happiness.

This. An online community's raison d'être that goes against the blue pill grain of first-world consumer culture is certainly an easy target to tar as a microcosm of the oppressive, White Christian male patriarchy.

Far more people (men and women) than would personally be admitted look up dating/sex advice too. Why the eagerness to stigmatise the manosphere as "the other", as opposed to an alternative askmen.com or a male Cosmo? For sure, red pill sentiments aren't something that gel with society at large -- red pill ideals of both genders are particularly susceptible to being twisted into "offensiveness" and the "hatred of spurned men".

Of course RVF, as much of the manosphere, boasts a substantial non-white following. The fact that its genesis was a backlash against the Western post-feminist culturescape enables one to overlook that demographic, sidelining them as peripheral hangers-on -- all those "I'm a coloured guy trying to have sex with white blonde girls" threads don't really help matters much. I can see why the focus is so much more on universal game than race.
06-01-2014 06:14 AM
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(06-01-2014 02:04 AM)mikado Wrote:  Dear Lord when are you going to stop the white victim card?

White people were, are and will still remain the most powerful people for a long time . Samseau and his pals are always complaining white man will be extinguished, jeopardized by immigration, society etc etc.

- When an employer ( generally white, since most employers are white I assume) hires people, if the skills are equals between a non-white and a white men, he will most likely hire a white man.
- People are more likely to get a loan with people with white sounding names than non-white ones.
- White men are the most sought after on online dating ( you were talking a lot about White God factor)

There are a lot of other privileges ( yes, I dare say it) that white people have. But contrary to the left's opinion, non-whites also have some other privileges.

Thing is that everyone, especially male, has some kind of privilege, and suffer from feminism too. Stop your victimization and focus on winning your game, whichever cards you were dealt with.
If there is a war, it's a war on ALL MEN, not only WHITE MEN.
Fuck, we are in the manosphere, not the whitemanosphere.

You miss the point entirely, perhaps there is a language issue here.

Re-read what I said: By focusing on white men they are trying to divide and conquer us.

Samseau Wrote:They marginalize white men, and then when white men try to get around their marginalization, their organization efforts are used as further proof that white men are a problem to be "take care of."

Classic divide and conquer technique.

Again, my stance on racism can be found right here:

http://www.returnofkings.com/3475/racism...est-friend

I wrote it a year ago, and it was as true back then as it is today.

Also, let us address what you said here:

Quote:- When an employer ( generally white, since most employers are white I assume) hires people, if the skills are equals between a non-white and a white men, he will most likely hire a white man.
- People are more likely to get a loan with people with white sounding names than non-white ones.
- White men are the most sought after on online dating ( you were talking a lot about White God factor)

All of these points are trivial: Blacks are more likely to hire Blacks, Asians prefer Asians, French hire French, Russians prefer Russians, Hispanics prefer Hispanics, Jews prefer Jews, etc. etc.

Group preferences are innate part of human nature, nothing to be afraid of.

As for White men being sexually desirable - I think this is mostly because White men are rarer than other skin color types. There are fewer and fewer places in the world where White men are found due to the demographic collapse of White populations within the last 60 years, so the rarity of White men (especially outside of White cultures) make them sexually desirable.

It would be the same for Black or Asian men if their numbers were reduced to the numbers of White men. I think it's mostly contrast game.

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@Samseau

The first part of your response, it's fair enough.
For the last one, I don't think so.
White men are majoritarian in Western World, and they are preferred.
They are minoritarian in third world, yet they are preferred too ( because of money, status, and white god factor). Even in my home country in Africa,almost no one would refuse to marry a white man.
Native Americans and Aborigens are pretty scarce numbers now, yet I don't think they are that wanted on the sexual market. They are quite the contrast, you would say!

For me the white men desirability boils down to 2 factors:
-In western world, they are the majority.
-They are viewed as people who have money and status everywhere else, even if in their home countries they would barely pay their fees and be at the bottom of the barrel.

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RE: RVF media mentions (merged thread)
Not a direct mention of RVF, but Ross Douthat's column today is about the media controversy and battle between feminists and the manosphere:

NYT Douthat: Prisoners of Sex

Summary: "Hefnerism" practiced by both PUAs and feminists is to blame.
(This post was last modified: 06-01-2014 09:21 AM by Sp5.)
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(06-01-2014 04:35 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  G Manifesto always took the line that he didn't care about feminism because the places and bars at which he hung out didn't have feminists - it wasn't on his radar.

I take a similar view. Stack cash and live wherever, avoid marriage, live life on own terms.

I'm on that path with you too bro.

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(06-10-2014 10:53 AM)bojangles Wrote:  
(06-01-2014 04:35 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  G Manifesto always took the line that he didn't care about feminism because the places and bars at which he hung out didn't have feminists - it wasn't on his radar.

I take a similar view. Stack cash and live wherever, avoid marriage, live life on own terms.

I'm on that path with you too bro.

Speaking of G Manifesto…where's he gone?

His blog was what brought me as a lurker here a long time ago before applying to join.
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