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RE: Why Hasn't Game Worked?
Js you need to learn to put a really really short tldr at the start/end of your post/s.

>I'm in a unique situation.

Maybe you are, but often you arent. If not, its much easier as you can mimic what other people do
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RE: Why Hasn't Game Worked?
Alright, points well taken. I'm gonna go out and record myself approaching.

After I record it, I'll post it here. Then you can see two things:

a) I'm a dude (wtf? Angry)
b) I'm fully capable and willing to approach.

Hopefully, someone will have some insight.

Also, if anyone's in the Baltimore area, let's meet up. PM me if you're around, and we can go to the bars/malls whatever together.

(and on another note, im not sure why the flag is indian. the last time i logged onto the forum was when i was over there, but im in baltimore now. not sure how to change it)
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RE: Why Hasn't Game Worked?
I need to see what you look like before I can advise you..

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RE: Why Hasn't Game Worked?
(06-04-2014 02:27 PM)thegreenman Wrote:  (and on another note, im not sure why the flag is indian. the last time i logged onto the forum was when i was over there, but im in baltimore now. not sure how to change it)

Up at the top, User CP => Edit Profile => Current Country

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(06-04-2014 02:27 PM)thegreenman Wrote:  (and on another note, im not sure why the flag is indian. the last time i logged onto the forum was when i was over there, but im in baltimore now. not sure how to change it)

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I didn't read the novel, but the best advice I can give you is to start making money. I used to put in countless hours approaching and never got laid, but when I started making money things changed. honestly it's a better use of your time to make money instead of approaching. Making money is the best way to get laid. Fact.
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(06-04-2014 02:27 PM)thegreenman Wrote:  Alright, points well taken. I'm gonna go out and record myself approaching.

After I record it, I'll post it here. Then you can see two things:

a) I'm a dude (wtf? Angry)
b) I'm fully capable and willing to approach.

Hopefully, someone will have some insight.

Also, if anyone's in the Baltimore area, let's meet up. PM me if you're around, and we can go to the bars/malls whatever together.

(and on another note, im not sure why the flag is indian. the last time i logged onto the forum was when i was over there, but im in baltimore now. not sure how to change it)

Yes. Post a vid, prove you aren't a troll, and we will sincerely try to help you.

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(06-04-2014 03:07 PM)Samseau Wrote:  
(06-04-2014 02:27 PM)thegreenman Wrote:  Alright, points well taken. I'm gonna go out and record myself approaching.

After I record it, I'll post it here. Then you can see two things:

a) I'm a dude (wtf? Angry)
b) I'm fully capable and willing to approach.

Hopefully, someone will have some insight.

Also, if anyone's in the Baltimore area, let's meet up. PM me if you're around, and we can go to the bars/malls whatever together.

(and on another note, im not sure why the flag is indian. the last time i logged onto the forum was when i was over there, but im in baltimore now. not sure how to change it)

Yes. Post a vid, prove you aren't a troll, and we will sincerely try to help you.

I'm coming out of retirement for this one (I may be having a drastic change in my life in the next year or so and it's probably best if I stay away from this place. Kind of like a Neil Skywalker thing). Meet me in Federal Hill tonight and I will try to figure out what is going on and report back to the forum. I have to meet with a client, then I want to put in at least two hours in the gym, so it will have to be around 11:00 P.M.
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Merenguero, I've been wondering where you've disappeared to. Good luck with whatever it is you're doing.

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(06-04-2014 03:14 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  I'm coming out of retirement for this one (I may be having a drastic change in my life in the next year or so and it's probably best if I stay away from this place. Kind of like a Neil Skywalker thing). Meet me in Federal Hill tonight and I will try to figure out what is going on and report back to the forum. I have to meet with a client, then I want to put in at least two hours in the gym, so it will have to be around 11:00 P.M.

Sounds mysterious.

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Based on your loooong writing, it seems you don't know how to get to the point. You are long winded and driving your woman away....... Get to the point quickly - that is part of the game !
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RE: Why Hasn't Game Worked?
I'm not an expert, but here's my take on it:

1. You're not learning from your rejections. Every rejection teaches you something.

2. Inner game is lacking. I didn't read everything you wrote, but you seem to be internalizing failure as something inherently wrong with you, not with your game. It happens. You will fail. I wish game were 100% successful, but it isn't. There are external factors (she has a boyfriend, she's married, she's a lesbian, doesn't want anyone right now, etc.) that will cause rejections. Other times, you'll do very little right and succeed.

One of my biggest memories of doing very little right was the first girl I made out with in college. I said literally nothing and leaned back. We ended up making out.

3. It seems as though you have information overload. There's a lot of really good material out there, but you can't digest it all. You need to pick and choose what you study and what you do. If you were to try to combine Krauser's day game model with Daygame.com material, it would work. They are compatible things.

However, if you try to take a routine based form of game (let's say Venusian Arts, for sake of argument) and try to mix it with a "natural game" system, they're incompatible. You need to make sure that you're looking at things that actually go together. However, you also need to match your personality. I'm a natural introvert and like being relatively straightforward (there are, of course, exceptions). As a result, I hate the idea of an opinion opener. I don't care about her opinion, so why would I ask for it? However, for some guys it works, and I believe that it's a valid technique.

So evaluate what you do. Is it congruent with the type of person you are? Obviously, you have to change a bit, because game is self-improvement. You said that girls were into your "cocky-funny persona." Well, why didn't you change yourself into that?

4. Relates to #2. You seem to have actually put in the time to learn the material, but you don't seem to have actually put in the time for self-improvement. Like it or not, most of this stuff isn't dependent on what you say. It's really dependent on your frame. If your frame is "she's amazing, and I have to prove myself to her," then nothing you say matters. If your frame is "I'm awesome, and she has to prove herself to me," then you can get somewhere. Positioning is fucking important.
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Quote: I put the first few paragraphs into HackerFactor's Gender Guesser,

Can you do that to one of my longer posts?
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RE: Why Hasn't Game Worked?
1) TROLL?
2) FEMALE WRITER?
3) FORUM INFILTRATOR?
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It's obvious: you need cosmetic surgery. A chin implant would do the trick.

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Re gender guesser thing: I put in two of my longer posts here and one said weak male informal, weak female formal. The other said weak female for both informal and formal. I'm definitely a dude. The tool does say it's only 60-70% accurate, though.
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OK, I'll assume this post is real. The author seems sincere enough and after the Rodgers thing I'm probably too troll-sensitive.

To the author, I will say this much: men are about action. Men build things (look outside). The reason you failed at game is because you are about words. And you missed the crucial step in learning how to escalate. You need to go from the mental to the physical. Maybe the problem is shyness; maybe it's misplaced guilt.

And I don't know how you can learn to escalate if the game books didn't get that across. It's like improvising with music. You just have to sense it.

You mentioned you'd been with hookers; I would suggest getting with one and having her explain to you what to do when you're with a girl, point by point. Ask what worked on her with non-clients.

Here is one of my techniques. I'm sitting on the couch with a woman. At some point she either leans on me, or puts her feet on my lap. I use her leaning to put my arm around her or the feet thing to give her a foot rub. Once you get body contact, the road to kissing is easy to traverse.

Also, NEVER discuss with a woman if you're "dating" or "friends" before you've messed around. That puts her in an awkward position and awkward = she's not feeling it, so you just disqualified yourself. In fact, don't talk about stuff like this at all till later. Talk less. Do more. Hell, never even ask to kiss, because you're basically asking for a "no."

The massive amount of verbiage you spilled here, and your references to being Jewish make me think you're hyper-intellectual (my ex was Jewish and a brainiac -- it runs in the culture, IMO). Learn to bring that out gradually. Not because it's bad (it isn't) but because your own brain and thought processes are cockblocking you.

Less words, more action should be your motto. Watch something idiotic like "Two and a Half Men" and try to escalate like the Charlie Sheen character.
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I put in one of El Mech's long posts and it said:

20% Troll
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60% strong redneck

Guess it's pretty accurate.
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(06-04-2014 04:27 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  The massive amount of verbiage you spilled here, and your references to being Jewish make me think you're hyper-intellectual (my ex was Jewish and a brainiac -- it runs in the culture, IMO). Learn to bring that out gradually. Not because it's bad (it isn't) but because your own brain and thought processes are cockblocking you.

I'm Jewish, and I'll attest that this is true. One of my biggest weaknesses with game is over-thinking it. I felt as though I needed some sort of canned thing for every situation, and that I had to do exactly what my books said, etc. I started beating that by just going out and doing it.

Your brain will want you to rationalize everything at a logical level and try to figure out some complex flowchart (kind of like MM, actually, but not as complex). You need to keep a level head and just go for it. I noticed that as I started becoming more free-flowing and not thinking about it, my results got better.
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Your situation is not unique. Your story is fucking boring, because it's exactly the same story that every guy who's staring 30 in the face without being able to convince a girl to sleep with him without paying for her time. The fact that you'd even write this wall of text shows that you're hung up on yourself. There are a hundred guys on here who could write a wall of text about every girl they've failed to fuck, but they don't do that. Ask yourself why that is.

After 3,000 approaches and no closes, you're not doing approaches, you're a street performer. WIA identified your problem: you don't escalate. I'm betting you don't attract either. You're probably the type who talks about himself all the time, except that you don't like yourself a whole lot, so that makes for a shitty story. You're the type of guy who does 3,000 failed approaches and then writes 20,000 words about it, how oblivious can you be? Go back and read your 2 posts. Would you want to talk to a guy like that?

My advice: don't move to SEA. You've already done that. Here's the pattern at work:
* I'm failing at life
* I know! I'll (move to|learn how to|get a job as a|learn PUA technique|buy) X and that will get me more girls. I don't really like X. I don't care about X. But girls!
* (doing X)
* wtf, i'm a loooooser

You keep changing external stuff but you don't change yourself. So maybe you'll move to SEA, use your "rich white guy status" or whatever bullshit term you used, and find a wife. You will still be miserable, because you'll be telling yourself that this one didn't really count because you used your white guy status to get a wife. Then you'll end up trying to cheat on her, you'll get busted, and your life will be a world of shit because not only will you not be able to get a chick, but you'll be stuck with one you don't like.
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RE: Why Hasn't Game Worked?
Any guy who would write that huge a post and expect people to actually read it is completely lacking in basic social awareness.
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RE: Why Hasn't Game Worked?
It is really HARD to believe that someone that's done 3000 approaches over a decade has NEVER hit pay dirt. "Even a broken clock is right twice a day", so the troll suspicion is understandable.

That said I am glad to see the offers to help the OP in the event "he" is genuine and look forward to seeing how this plays out

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Quote:It is really HARD to believe that someone that's done 3000 approaches over a decade has NEVER hit pay dirt. "Even a broken clock is right twice a day", so the troll suspicion is understandable.

That's because he HAS hit pay dirt. From the OP:

Quote:But in the Philippines, men are treated like people, and celibacy is recognized as the painful, suffering condition that it is. I actually had sex. Twice! No, scratch that… three times! Two of them were working girls, and one was a girl who I had met on the website.


So two were pros, but one wasn't. Congratulations--you're not a virgin in any sense of the word, either "pro-aided" or on the "fully amateur" level.

Hopefully, assuming you're not a troll, maybe this realization will give you a little bit of peace of mind.

Judging by the rest of your post, I doubt it, so here are a couple more ideas. For the TL;DR crowd, they are:

1) Study comedy a bit, especially improv, and start to figure out what "funny" really is, exactly.

2) Escalate, engage her senses with imagery, and elicit an emotional response. This should increase her attraction in you and get you to the point where she's comfortable/attracted enough for you to seal the deal.

1) You obviously need a little more social awareness/improv ability. Even though you say that cocky-funny helped, I'm not exactly getting "fun-loving, playful, happy-go-lucky guy" off of you. My guess is that there's something "off" about your interactions with chicks that can't really be faked--kinda the same thing ER had going on.

The good news is this is absolutely correctable. If you don't already, I'd recommend watching all of the stand-up specials that you can. My favorites tend to be guys not available on Netflix (Chappelle, Bob Schimmel, etc.), but I think there's at least one Bill Burr special on Netflix, and a few from Jim Jeffries, Louis C.K., and those types of guys.

Watch them. As many as you can. Notice not only the language behind the jokes, but their timing and delivery of them. Figure out the rhythm of humor, common joke constructions, and how to tell an engaging story. All of these skills really, REALLY help when interacting with chicks.

Then pick a couple of comedy podcasts and listen to them while walking around town, working, etc. Two of my favorites are Bill Burr's "Monday Morning Podcast," and "You Made it Weird," with Pete Holmes. Burr is pretty firmly red-pill; Holmes gives off more of a blue pill vibe, but he's incredible with improv (call-backs, "yes-and" agree and escalate, etc.).

Just by osmosis, you'll start to notice that your wit starts to get quicker, you start to recognize joke openings earlier and connect with punchlines more easily. Even studying comedy in this manner can help you shake that "creepy" vibe I assume you're throwing off.

2) The guys earlier in the thread are dead on when they say you need to build attraction. "Attraction," "Escalation," "Desire" when it comes to sales--they're all the same thing: get an emotional response from her. Like anyone else, women "buy" based on their emotions. By increasing this response, you can hook them a lot more quickly and powerfully than you ever thought possible.

There are a bunch of ways to do this--negging is a common one, but one that someone in your situation has to be careful with--the hate just seeps through the screen in your writing, and you might end up lashing out at them for no reason by doing so.

A better option for someone in your situation is probably doing it through imagination and imagery. You want to make the girl associate positive images and thoughts with you. Engage her senses, get her feeling something with your words--the implication is that you can do "so much more" once you get physical.

It's a little tough to explain how to do this, but I think a good example was when you said you were getting shit for camping out on a rooftop by the ocean. Classic shit test by the girl: "Oh man, you live in a tent[/]? Lol." To deal with it, you could just give her a sly smile and say something like "Oh yeah, waking up to the sound of waves lapping up on the beach, feeling the sea breeze wash across my face while watching an awesome sunrise is [i]terrible." It's a combination of engaging her senses and agreeing and escalating.

Those are two of A LOT of different things you should be doing. If your inner game is shitty right now, I'd recommend Mark Manson's book, "Models"--it approaches inner game from a different direction, and might be just the thing to get you back on track.

Hopefully, that all helps. Or like I said, at least it's a start.

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RE: Why Hasn't Game Worked?
Fuck, that's long. I second the video idea, there's no way in hell I could read all that.

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Oh yeah, one more thing: know that getting laid won't solve all of your problems. Even getting in an LTR (if that's your goal) won't do that. What happens when you're a couple years in and you find out she's fucking your best friend behind your back? Hey, it happened to me...

I'm just saying even IF you DO get "good with the ladies" all of a sudden, your tirade has this underlying tone where you're looking for something to "set you off." Just know that even when you accomplish this goal, after a while, it's just pussy. Nothing to get borderline obsessed over--it's fun to fuck chicks and all, but there are downsides to the game, too--constantly gaming chicks, keeping them on their toes, etc. It sounds like you may have deep-seeded issues with your own unhappiness that you may want to address before you invest too deeply in a single supposed "cure" like gaming chicks.

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(06-04-2014 01:19 PM)thegreenman Wrote:  3000 approaches and not a single girlfriend. Not a single lay. Barely even a kiss. It's like I'm just INVISIBLE. What the fuck is going on? Please, somebody, help me.

That's damn near impossible.

I call Troll on this one.

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