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Roosh, is the dominant language of the streets still Russian or has Ukrainian taken its place?
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(06-27-2014 01:42 PM)Brian Boru Wrote:  Roosh, is the dominant language of the streets still Russian or has Ukrainian taken its place?



So let me get this straight ALL of a sudden 1 million plus people are going to stop talking their NATIVE language and for the fuckin fun of it start talking what to them is considered their second language, and a peasant one at that, simply because a bunch of CRAZY, nationalists got a candidate in office?

Add that Odessa is a pro Russian city that had a voter turn out of around 46% in the election and I think you answered your own question.

In the future though things can change for future generations depending on the way the gov't handles language laws.

On a side note there was a joke that people stopped talking Russian in Odessa and Little Odessa so Putin won't come protect them.

I can't answer for Odessa atm..but in Brooklyn it seems to be true for a select few.
Noticed a week or 2 ago a couple talking Ukrainian in a Sushi place.
Also noticed a guy in my building chatting up 2 friends in Ukrainian.
Although we have many Western Ukrainians( 3 flats in my building are rented by Lvivians) it was odd because that neighbor always talks Russian. We almost patronized him about it but decided not to.
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(06-27-2014 03:19 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  
(06-27-2014 01:42 PM)Brian Boru Wrote:  Roosh, is the dominant language of the streets still Russian or has Ukrainian taken its place?



So let me get this straight ALL of a sudden 1 million plus people are going to stop talking their NATIVE language and for the fuckin fun of it start talking what to them is considered their second language, and a peasant one at that, simply because a bunch of CRAZY, nationalists got a candidate in office?

Add that Odessa is a pro Russian city that had a voter turn out of around 46% in the election and I think you answered your own question.

In the future though things can change for future generations depending on the way the gov't handles language laws.

On a side note there was a joke that people stopped talking Russian in Odessa and Little Odessa so Putin won't come protect them.

I can't answer for Odessa atm..but in Brooklyn it seems to be true for a select few.
Noticed a week or 2 ago a couple talking Ukrainian in a Sushi place.
Also noticed a guy in my building chatting up 2 friends in Ukrainian.
Although we have many Western Ukrainians( 3 flats in my building are rented by Lvivians) it was odd because that neighbor always talks Russian. We almost patronized him about it but decided not to.

I already hear and observe a big change in Kiev people. My Ukrainian friend in Kiev once told me 2 years ago that when she spoke Ukrainian to her friends, they found it weird and judged her to be pretentious. Now, they all speak Ukrainian just to annoy Russians (I'm sure Russia is devestated). Which is very sad, I predict in 1 or 2 generations Russian will be useless in most of Ukraine. Ukrainian girls are gorgeous and everything, but not even they are worth learning a useless language like Ukrainian, if you already speak Russian.

You know better of course, Jimukr, but as far as I can tell Kiev was exactly balanced between Russian and Ukrainian (both in language and influence), now, its definitely tilted towards Ukrainian.
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(06-27-2014 03:19 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  
(06-27-2014 01:42 PM)Brian Boru Wrote:  Roosh, is the dominant language of the streets still Russian or has Ukrainian taken its place?



So let me get this straight ALL of a sudden 1 million plus people are going to stop talking their NATIVE language and for the fuckin fun of it start talking what to them is considered their second language, and a peasant one at that, simply because a bunch of CRAZY, nationalists got a candidate in office?

Add that Odessa is a pro Russian city that had a voter turn out of around 46% in the election and I think you answered your own question.

In the future though things can change for future generations depending on the way the gov't handles language laws.

On a side note there was a joke that people stopped talking Russian in Odessa and Little Odessa so Putin won't come protect them.

I can't answer for Odessa atm..but in Brooklyn it seems to be true for a select few.
Noticed a week or 2 ago a couple talking Ukrainian in a Sushi place.
Also noticed a guy in my building chatting up 2 friends in Ukrainian.
Although we have many Western Ukrainians( 3 flats in my building are rented by Lvivians) it was odd because that neighbor always talks Russian. We almost patronized him about it but decided not to.

I already hear and observe a big change in Kiev people. My Ukrainian friend in Kiev once told me 2 years ago that when she spoke Ukrainian to her friends, they found it weird and judged her to be pretentious. Now, they all speak Ukrainian just to annoy Russians (I'm sure Russia is devestated). Which is very sad, I predict in 1 or 2 generations Russian will be useless in most of Ukraine. Ukrainian girls are gorgeous and everything, but not even they are worth learning a useless language like Ukrainian, if you already speak Russian.

You know better of course, Jimukr, but as far as I can tell Kiev was exactly balanced between Russian and Ukrainian (both in language and influence), now, its definitely tilted towards Ukrainian.
Kiev 10 years ago was 3 out of 4 spoke Russian.

What happened is the Westerners and villagers came into the city to go to work and school. But come to think about the majority spoke MIXED. Part Ukrainian and part Russian.
But understand that it depends on age. Kiev under went a Ukrainization project starting around 2004(10 years ago ) due to policies of Yushcenko. So I guess young people who were brainwashed and schooled under that time period might be more inclined to speak Ukrainian. But they still speak Russian.

Oblast centers tend to prefer Russian language in East, South and Even center.

Here is the % of Russophiles:
Autonomous Republic of Crimea — 97% of the population
Dnipropetrovsk Oblast — 72%
Donetsk Oblast — 93%
Zaporizhia Oblast — 81%
Luhansk Oblast — 89%
Mykolaiv Oblast — 66%
Odessa Oblast — 85%
Kharkiv Oblast — 74%

This data might be old(2004-2009) but only thing that would change based on the brainwashing would be children under age of 22 speaking more Ukrainian but at home since they are speaking and living with older members nothing much would change.

You will notice Odessa is 4th right after Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk. But
something more interesting and uniquely specific to Odessa oblast is that the remaining 15% of speakers would be speaking not just Ukrainian.
The oblast has a sizable population of Bulgarian, Romanian and other assorted dialogues in the home.

But back to Kiev , Russian is still language of corporate business and certain educational majors.
As for those chicks trying to devastate Russia, do you care?They will grow out of it plus they better NOT cry when they get discriminated against looking for jobs in the East of the country. Those regions will refuse to stop talking Russian. Too much hate atm against UKIE gov't.
In 1-2 generations MOST of us will be over 50 years old and those of you who are still single will probable have to settle on girls OVER the age of 28. Those girls will still speak Russian obviously or at least be able to. And the young ones will speak better english so it is a wash anyway! lol

You are right about Ukrainian being a wasted language to learn. Even Pimsleur only has 30 lessons.

Also another thing to inform, people are on strike paying bills. It has happened before.In my building half the tenants refuse to pay gas bills. They sent notes telling the company they need to pay Russia 1st. In other words ..go fuck themselves lol. As long as some pay they can't shut off gas. They use to do that.


A 2012 study showed that:

on the radio, 3.4% of songs are in Ukrainian while 60% are in Russian
over 60% of newspapers, 83% of journals and 87% of books are in Russian
28% of TV programs are in Ukrainian, even on state-owned channels
Russian-language programming is sometimes subtitled in Ukrainian, and commercials during Russian-language programs are in Ukrainian on Ukraine-based media.
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Odessa needs to become Porto Franco again. As for Kiev becoming progressively more Ukrainian over the last decade.. 1 why shouldn't it? 2 Moscow became progressively more Turkmen, Uzbek and Armenian.

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My friend just sent me a pic of a Ukranian milf, all I can say hot damn. Is this common?

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(06-27-2014 05:10 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  My friend just sent me a pic of a Ukranian milf, all I can say hot damn. Is this common?

I dunno send it to me I will confirm Big Grin

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(06-27-2014 03:19 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  Add that Odessa is a pro Russian city that had a voter turn out of around 46% in the election and I think you answered your own question.

I asked at least a half dozen girls in Odessa which side they were on, all said they were pro-Ukraine. To the last girl, I asked "why can't I find any pro-Russians here?" She replied, if you ask someone under 40, they will likely be pro-Ukrainian, above 40 is likely pro-Russian. Sounds like Odessa is not clearly one way or the other.

EDIT: I'm talking about which side of the crisis they are on, yeah, as far as which language they tend to speak, it's Russian in Odessa.
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(06-27-2014 05:30 PM)William Windsor Wrote:  
(06-27-2014 03:19 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  Add that Odessa is a pro Russian city that had a voter turn out of around 46% in the election and I think you answered your own question.

I asked at least a half dozen girls in Odessa which side they were on, all said they were pro-Ukraine. To the last girl, I asked "why can't I find any pro-Russians here?" She replied, if you ask someone under 40, they will likely be pro-Ukrainian, above 40 is likely pro-Russian. Sounds like Odessa is not clearly one way or the other.

EDIT: I'm talking about which side of the crisis they are on, yeah, as far as which language they tend to speak, it's Russian in Odessa.
It is not as simple as that. Some points to consider.

1. Russian areas aren't that politically active. Girls are also flip(everywhere come to think about it) like that and you really will never know if they are trying to sound cool because you are a westerner yourself. It is like when chicks would say there favorite movie is police Academy( after hearing I was in Law enforcement). Clearly a lie. Or that they like Chicken best after I said the same. The day I believe what a chick tells me I be a tard

2. Most important : It depends what they mean by crisis.
There technically were 2 crisis's:
a.maiden
b. Separatism (present)

I confirm that Odessa doesn't want to be part of Russia. That is clear. They don't support the whole Russian invasion view and they are for a united Ukraine. So they are in that sense pro Ukrainian.

However I think that one need's to not think in terms of the view of what pro Russian means.The western media has brainwashed the population with the terms.
To me or those I know pro Russian means speak Russian language, indulge in Russian culture, nothing more.

In their eyes they are patriotic Ukrainians. But to me they aren't the same as the pro Ukrainians that most of us are speaking of..the nationalists.So we refer to them as pro Russian. After all it is their language/ culture.

Certainly there history is different than the pro UA nationalists that have infected west and central UA. For example Odessans grew up that Banderism is bad. Many are afraid of nationalists. But they are also afraid to be in Russia. Historically Odessa is where Russian/Soviet trouble makers were sent.

They aren't /weren't happy with the coup e tat ( junta stooges)nor were they heavily pro EU. Even when they had Ukrainian unity protests you will note very few EU flags as oppose to the protests in Kiev, Lviv. The % that turned out for elections also shows the most weren't happy with the candidates.

Odessa being somewhat shady profits from neutrality. In fact the pro EU presidents always threaten to close/tax 7 km market.The largest employer there.

So now you know what many of us mean by pro Russian. Maybe they are really pro Ukrainian but their version of it is quite different. Those are just generic terms. I am pretty sure 99% of all UA citizens are fed up with corruption and supported many of the ideals of maiden except for the actual overthrow/ coup e tat with western orientated fascists in charge.

Come to think about it, many of the protesters in Donetsk and Lugansk aren't separatists.They are also true Ukrainian patriots. They wanted to be part of Ukraine but not have their lives including taxes be controlled by a gov't controlled by nationalists that will ruin their culture using their own tax money.

Problem is gov't didn't listen to them and focused on total warfare against the extremist separatists killing even the mild 'taxation with representation groups'.

Do you think it is fair that East Ukrainian miners have to pay a 10% Kiev reconstruction tax for the damage maiden protesters did?
That would be like Obama adding a 10% income tax to fund feminist women studies programs .
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Another point:
The university/educational liberal establishments have been infiltrated by CIA/MI6/NATO for 2 decades.

Texas prophet linked a good article from Zero hedge that was written by a Russain scholar about what has been going on in UA since 1991. I found it fascinating and a bit of propaganda but than my wife confirmed that it was partly true.

In university they were pushing western ideas and NATO on them. Her sister was the head of the English dept at a University and she confirmed that it was true. Many NATO speakers/ western policy speakers use to visit the schools. Thy even had a NATO conference room.

If you look at the organized protests that were in Odessa you will notice that they look like university organized/sponsored. You always see college age people with a mix of older teacher types.
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English definitely is quite low here. I was hoping to take a break from my Russian studies but it doesn't seem to be the case. If you come here without Russian (or Ukrainian), you'll have more limited prospects, though the hipster type bars have a greater English crowd, at a cost of lower quality.

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Roosh, since the last time you visited Odessa do you sense that most people (specifically the girls) have been very much affected by what's happening in the rest of the country? Have the locals become sullen/depressed or is life still revolving as normal, people going about their work, clubs full of girls, stores and restaurants crowded with diners, etc.?
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(06-30-2014 08:34 PM)TripleG Wrote:  Roosh, since the last time you visited Odessa do you sense that most people (specifically the girls) have been very much affected by what's happening in the rest of the country? Have the locals become sullen/depressed or is life still revolving as normal, people going about their work, clubs full of girls, stores and restaurants crowded with diners, etc.?

Vibe is the same on the surface, but if you ask people about it you can tell they're affected and concerned about the future. They may not share it to you immediately, however.

The popular restaurants/cafes from last time are still popular, though I do sense some spots are quieter compared to last year. Then again, the season really is just beginning in full force now.

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I am spinning my wheels in Lviv. Girls in the nightlife are definitely interested in me, had one grab me on the dance floor to dance, many stares and smiles. But once my mouth opens and they hear English, lots of confusion ensues. Then they say they speak a little, it literally means: Hi, good, bad, basic phrases. Or they just flat out speak to me in Ukrainian.

Lots of top quality at Fashion Club though, although a bit older. A lot of solid 8's in my book. Come here if you can speak Ukrainian. They hate Russia here with a passion. Be prepared to work for it though. I came here for the cheap booze and food, so not too disappointing as I had a short flight, but I can see how someone would be if they traveled here just for the pussy.
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Do you think it would be worth it to learn Ukranian rather than Russian to take advantage of such a niche?
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(07-01-2014 06:44 PM)InternationalPlayboy Wrote:  I am spinning my wheels in Lviv. Girls in the nightlife are definitely interested in me, had one grab me on the dance floor to dance, many stares and smiles. But once my mouth opens and they hear English, lots of confusion ensues. Then they say they speak a little, it literally means: Hi, good, bad, basic phrases. Or they just flat out speak to me in Ukrainian.

Lots of top quality at Fashion Club though, although a bit older. A lot of solid 8's in my book. Come here if you can speak Ukrainian. They hate Russia here with a passion. Be prepared to work for it though. I came here for the cheap booze and food, so not too disappointing as I had a short flight, but I can see how someone would be if they traveled here just for the pussy.

Usually they are understanding if a foreigner speaks Russian.

Also realize there really isn't any resources for becoming conversational in Ukrainian. Most programs only give a taste of Ukrainian while Russian content is more advanced.
In other words if you waste your time learning 30 lessons of Ukrainian pimsleur you will not be able to talk.While Russian language is 90 lessons. You also have Russian Rosetta stone, Michael Thomas, etc.
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(07-01-2014 06:53 PM)SeanBateman Wrote:  Do you think it would be worth it to learn Ukranian rather than Russian to take advantage of such a niche?

Depends how much you really want to crack the niche. Lviv is pretty much the center town of Ukraine nationalism and its population is around 1 M. Learning a whole language to swoop such a small niche IMO is not worth it.
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(07-01-2014 06:59 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  
(07-01-2014 06:44 PM)InternationalPlayboy Wrote:  I am spinning my wheels in Lviv. Girls in the nightlife are definitely interested in me, had one grab me on the dance floor to dance, many stares and smiles. But once my mouth opens and they hear English, lots of confusion ensues. Then they say they speak a little, it literally means: Hi, good, bad, basic phrases. Or they just flat out speak to me in Ukrainian.

Lots of top quality at Fashion Club though, although a bit older. A lot of solid 8's in my book. Come here if you can speak Ukrainian. They hate Russia here with a passion. Be prepared to work for it though. I came here for the cheap booze and food, so not too disappointing as I had a short flight, but I can see how someone would be if they traveled here just for the pussy.

Usually they are understanding if a foreigner speaks Russian.

Sadly, I can't even read Cyrillic. Probably chalk to a nice little exotic side trip. Too much hassle to learn a whole new set of written and spoken language just for chicks. This place is really budget friendly though for the quality of living provided.
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I've been told the best strategy in Western Ukraine/the Baltics is to open with English or German and switch to Russian if they don't understand. This establishes that you're not a local and, as was mentioned, they don't expects foreigners to speak Ukrainian/Lithuanian/Latvian/Estonian. Is this consistent with your experiences?
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And....back I come. Just booked a ticket, can't wait!
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(07-14-2014 09:15 PM)SeanBateman Wrote:  ^ nice, looking forward to hearing about it

Looks like Roosh, Slubu, and I will all be in Ukraine here soon. Y'all down for a pizza party?
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I would be if I could be, I'm still plotting my escape from corporate drudgery
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